Brian Gaine Fired

[TheKDog]

I would appreciate it. I'm surprised a thread 7 years old is not buried in the archives

https://www.patsfans.com/new-englan...n-named-oc-and-other-coaching-changes.736274/

Thread is about obrien being promoted to OC after calling plays two years

Example of a post:

"Do you remember last year? Everyone wanted him run out on a rail. EVERYONE was saying we need a real OC. This year, in the regular season he did a lot better, but returned to his old self against the Jests in the playoffs. His play calling Stunck. Its as bad as my spelling."

 

[TheKDog]

". Almost every week in the 09 season people were calling for him to be replaced. It seemed like he had three plays. Run, Run, Long bomb to Moss, at the end of the year even the most senior posters here were saying "we need a pass rush and a real OC". "

 

[JB]

https://www.patsfans.com/new-englan...n-named-oc-and-other-coaching-changes.736274/

Thread is about obrien being promoted to OC after calling plays two years

Example of a post:

"Do you remember last year? Everyone wanted him run out on a rail. EVERYONE was saying we need a real OC. This year, in the regular season he did a lot better, but returned to his old self against the Jests in the playoffs. His play calling Stunck. Its as bad as my spelling."

Thanks. Other than that one guy most comment's were supportive of OB... I read the entire thread

 

[maverick512000]

https://www.patsfans.com/new-englan...n-named-oc-and-other-coaching-changes.736274/

Thread is about obrien being promoted to OC after calling plays two years

Example of a post:

"Do you remember last year? Everyone wanted him run out on a rail. EVERYONE was saying we need a real OC. This year, in the regular season he did a lot better, but returned to his old self against the Jests in the playoffs. His play calling Stunck. Its as bad as my spelling."

". Almost every week in the 09 season people were calling for him to be replaced. It seemed like he had three plays. Run, Run, Long bomb to Moss, at the end of the year even the most senior posters here were saying "we need a pass rush and a real OC". "

You really do just have blind hate don’t you? First that thread is only three pages long, second both of your examples are from the same person who was the only person that you could say was unhappy about the change. The rest were either cautiously optimistic to happy about it.

At this point you’re actually hurting your own case.

Examples:

“Anyone who calls for BOB to be fired this soon is a tool. Seriously. Aside from the Jets/Cleveland games (which just as easily could be chalked up to Brady simply not having a good day) and the misuse of Gronk in that he blocks too much, he's done a damn fine job this season. MUCH better than 09 for sure. Give him two more seasons and if he sucks after that, fine.“

“Really?!? I wasn't a fan of his going into this year, but he totally revamped this offense on the fly after they trade away Moss and made this the most potent offense in the NFL. Why should he be fired? Because of one game where the whole team played like crap?

There were plenty of big games where both Weis and McDaniels couldn't get the offense to do anything. In fact, in all four Super Bowls, the offense struggled for good stretches.”

“Re-watching the SB vs the Eagles I was amazed to note that with Dillon in his prime and a young Branch, the O went 3 and out several times. Then I remembered that in football that is what happens quite often. We expect too much from our guys at times.

I thought O'Brien had a great 2010 season.”

By he way those were three different posters.

 

[TheKDog]

That poster I quoted referenced that many people had complaints. I could probably dig up other threads

But the point is they were divided on him too. Believe it or not some people here also like his offense

but ultimately O'Brien went back to McDaniels.

 

[JB]

That poster I quoted referenced that many people had complaints. I could probably dig up other threads

But the point is they were divided on him too. Believe it or not some people here also like his offense

but ultimately O'Brien went back to McDaniels.

BB went back to McDaniels because OB left for a HC gig. He didn't run OB off so he could bring McDaniels back

 

[76Texan]

The Pats' roster was so stacked then, it wasn't even funny.
With Brady and BB, the game planning didn't really need an OC.
They don't even need a play caller since all the possible plays that they call on game day can be called by Brady.
Any guy they named an OC could call the play and it wouldn't have made a difference.

 

[TheKDog]

The Pats' roster was so stacked then, it wasn't even funny.
With Brady and BB, the game planning didn't really need an OC.
They don't even need a play caller since all the possible plays that they call on game day can be called by Brady.
Any guy they named an OC could call the play and it wouldn't have made a difference.

And he still screwed it up

 

[TheKDog]

BB went back to McDaniels because OB left for a HC gig. He didn't run OB off so he could bring McDaniels back

McDaniels announcement to retun to pats was reported Jan 7. O'Brien interviewed with Penn State Jan 5. Likely he saw the writing on the wall and that's why he interviewed. He didn't want to go back to being QB coach.

 

[JB]

McDaniels announcement to retun to pats was reported Jan 7. O'Brien interviewed with Penn State Jan 5. Likely he saw the writing on the wall and that's why he interviewed. He didn't want to go back to being QB coach.

Pure supposition on your part because that fits your hate. Fact is OB was announced as HC for Penn State Jan 7 also, so he obviously made the decision before that

The Patriots gave the Jacksonville Jaguars permission to interview O'Brien for their head coaching vacancy during the Patriots' playoff bye week; O'Brien was scheduled for an interview, but never actually interviewed for the job.[10] Instead, O'Brien interviewed with Penn State staff on January 5, 2012,[11] was offered the head coach position, and signed a four-year contract to become the Nittany Lions' coach.[12] O'Brien continued as New England's offensive coordinator through Super Bowl XLVI.

O'Brien was hired as Penn State's 15th head football coach, replacing Joe Paterno, who was also a Brown alumnus.[13] He was introduced as the head coach at a press conference on January 7, 2012.[14]

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[281Texan]

Actually not true at all. I’ve got no thing for OB but I do believe this. This guys roster has been trash for a long time. Say what you will with that QB mess but he didn’t have one. Kubiak got his QB early. Even you have to admit our depth was depleted, especially at key positions...then look at all the injuries. Actually this is the first year hopefully he gets his QB for a full year. I like the addition these past two years even though we know nothing about this year’s draft. What is important is that no doubt he’s been involved with roster building with BG. He’s had some success, better winning % than Kubiak. It would be insane to dump him before the right criteria are in place. I’d say this is the first year, if no crazy ass injuries occur, that we see what he’s about. He doesn’t have to win it all but you want to see a path developed in that direction. If he fails I wouldn’t have any problems moving on. Look at the Steelers and some others. They haven’t done much lately but they have great coaches and they know what they can achieve with the right pieces. It’s like the Astros and Bo Porter. What was he supposed to do with that roster? Let’s look at this year because we can’t afford another mistake here.

I can’t agree with this. Bill O’Brien is what he is. He’s going to win the games he’s supposed to win, and he may pull a rabbit out of his hat once in a blue moon and beat teams better than us, but he’s no better than Marvin Lewis was for the bengals. He has a below .500 career win pct., his one win in the playoffs came against a third string QB, and he was out coached and our team came out dead flat at home in the playoffs against a divisional rival. I don’t think he makes it all 16 games this season. We have a tough schedule and I don’t see him being able to coach his way through it.

 

[DocBar]

I can’t agree with this. Bill O’Brien is what he is. He’s going to win the games he’s supposed to win, and he may pull a rabbit out of his hat once in a blue moon and beat teams better than us, but he’s no better than Marvin Lewis was for the bengals. He has a below .500 career win pct., his one win in the playoffs came against a third string QB, and he was out coached and our team came out dead flat at home in the playoffs against a divisional rival. I don’t think he makes it all 16 games this season. We have a tough schedule and I don’t see him being able to coach his way through it.

OB is much, much, much better at saying that he needs to coach better than actually doing it. He's like an alcoholic who refuses to stop going to the liquor store. I won't go tomorrow.

 

[JB]

I can’t agree with this. Bill O’Brien is what he is. He’s going to win the games he’s supposed to win, and he may pull a rabbit out of his hat once in a blue moon and beat teams better than us, but he’s no better than Marvin Lewis was for the bengals. He has a below .500 career win pct., his one win in the playoffs came against a third string QB, and he was out coached and our team came out dead flat at home in the playoffs against a divisional rival. I don’t think he makes it all 16 games this season. We have a tough schedule and I don’t see him being able to coach his way through it.

Bolded part of your statement is simply not true

 

[texanhead08]

I don't think Obrien will be able to survive past this season either.

I think Gaine comes from the school of thought that you build your team through the draft and fill holes with bargain free agents.

I don't think he was ever going to be a GM who wanted to go out there and pick up tier 1 free agents because he knows thats how you get in cap hell.

We just went through that a few years ago so as fans we should understand this we missed on 2-3 round guys over and over and then had to overpay in free agency and 2 years later we had holes all over the field again.

The whole firing and this thing that looks like Obrien and Easterby got in their heads that the guy from the Pats was better and convinced Cal they could get him so he fired Gaine will come back and haunt them eventually.

 

[281Texan]

Bolded part of your statement is simply not true

My mistake. Two games above .500. The point I was making stands. We had the 32nd ranked strength of schedule last year (per ESPN), and have been in the bottom half of that category every year OB has been here, aside from 2016. We ranked 14th. We were 32nd in 2014, and in the late 20’s in 2015 and 2017. So yes, he’s beating the teams he should beat given the amount of talent this team has had in his tenure. Reports have us sitting at #4 next year. Do with it what you will, but unless OB makes a huge leap as a coach and can actually utilize the plethora of talent this team has properly, he’s done.

 

[JB]

My mistake. Two games above .500. The point I was making stands. We had the 32nd ranked strength of schedule last year (per ESPN), and have been in the bottom half of that category every year OB has been here, aside from 2016. We ranked 14th. We were 32nd in 2014, and in the late 20’s in 2015 and 2017. So yes, he’s beating the teams he should beat given the amount of talent this team has had in his tenure. Reports have us sitting at #4 next year. Do with it what you will, but unless OB makes a huge leap as a coach and can actually utilize the plethora of talent this team has properly, he’s done.

2 games above. 500 including playoffs. That's the only point I was making. I would be happy to see him replaced with a proven winner. But if he is replaced just to replace, the Texans are liable to wind up with another Hugh Campbell

 

[Number19]

I can’t agree with this. Bill O’Brien is what he is. He’s going to win the games he’s supposed to win, and he may pull a rabbit out of his hat once in a blue moon and beat teams better than us, but he’s no better than Marvin Lewis was for the bengals. He has a below .500 career win pct., his one win in the playoffs came against a third string QB, and he was out coached and our team came out dead flat at home in the playoffs against a divisional rival. I don’t think he makes it all 16 games this season. We have a tough schedule and I don’t see him being able to coach his way through it.

We have 9 games we should be expected to win. We need to split with the Colts, that gives us 10 wins. We need one more win against a quality team to match our 11 wins from last season. We're going to have a good season and OB's job is not in jeopardy.

 

[maverick512000]

2 games above. 500 including playoffs. That's the only point I was making. I would be happy to see him replaced with a proven winner. But if he is replaced just to replace, the Texans are liable to wind up with another Hugh Campbell

And there in lies the problem, no one can point to a guy who would be an, objectively speaking, upgrade. I've heard several names mentioned, with I think Dabo being the most recent, but all those things ignore one simple issue. The person has to want to come here and no just throwing money at them wouldn't be enough for most of them. Take Dabo for example, he just signed a new contract with Clemson, he has his system all set up there and then just plugs in new players each season, he is well liked by the alumni and boosters and he is well on his way to being a college coach legend there. Hell, I bet he hasn't had to buy his own dinner in at least 3 years now. Why leave that to come here? Yeah you could find a replacement, there are only 32 of these jobs after all, but can you find a replacement that is worth the 2-3 years of struggle and trying to find "his guys" that replacing the HC would bring?

I'm not against hiring a new HC, in fact I would most likely be in favor of it, but I am against this idea that a new HC is the magic bullet we need. The Texans have always seemed to be just one guy away from a championship. Now we have just shifted again and the "one guy away" is a HC instead of a QB or LT or whatever. Unless you're Cal in which case it seems you think the one guy away is a GM.

 

[76Texan]

2 games above. 500 including playoffs. That's the only point I was making. I would be happy to see him replaced with a proven winner. But if he is replaced just to replace, the Texans are liable to wind up with another Hugh Campbell

See, this is a thread about Gaine, and here you were, talking about O'Brien and HCs.

...

Regarding HCs, personally, I don't think a team can always afford a proven one.
(Maybe you meant "winner" as also considering successfull OCs or DCs.
If so, I would agree.)

Guys with potential like McVay, Shanahan, Fangio, IMO, should be considered and vested thoroughly for the possibility of hiring.

 

[Texansballer74]

We have 9 games we should be expected to win. We need to split with the Colts, that gives us 10 wins. We need one more win against a quality team to match our 11 wins from last season. We're going to have a good season and OB's job is not in jeopardy.

What 9 games should we win?

 

[JB]

See, this is a thread about Gaine, and here you were, talking about O'Brien and HCs.

I was responding to a quote that quoted me pointing out a false statement about OB. Do try to follow along or just put me on ignore. I'm not here to argue with you, just calling it as I see it

 

[sandman]

My mistake. Two games above .500. The point I was making stands. We had the 32nd ranked strength of schedule last year (per ESPN), and have been in the bottom half of that category every year OB has been here, aside from 2016. We ranked 14th. We were 32nd in 2014, and in the late 20’s in 2015 and 2017. So yes, he’s beating the teams he should beat given the amount of talent this team has had in his tenure. Reports have us sitting at #4 next year. Do with it what you will, but unless OB makes a huge leap as a coach and can actually utilize the plethora of talent this team has properly, he’s done.

I believe that was going into the 2018 based on the 2017 records of opponents.

The Texans played 7 games against teams that ended the 2018 season with winning records and 5 games against teams that went to the playoffs.

The only team on their schedule specifically because they were last in the division in 2017 was Cleveland, who ended up 7-8-1 on the 2018 season.

The only truly bad teams they played were NYG (played all NFC East teams), NYJ (played all AFC East teams) and Jax (in our division) twice.

 

[Number19]

What 9 games should we win?

Jacksonville, Carolina, Atlanta, Oakland, Jacksonville, Denver, Tennessee, Tampa, Tennessee

 

[disaacks3]

Jacksonville, Carolina, Atlanta, Oakland, Jacksonville, Denver, Tennessee, Tampa, Tennessee

Only one of those I'd question offhand is Falcons, but they're not as effective on the road. So, 9 wins is doable (if we keep Watson upright).

 

[Texansballer74]

Jacksonville, Carolina, Atlanta, Oakland, Jacksonville, Denver, Tennessee, Tampa, Tennessee

Those games could go either way. We split last season with the Titans. The Panthers always gives up fits. Some how the have our number. The Falcons has a very explosive air game. Hopefully our secondary is up for the challenge. . I wouldn't sleep on the Jaguars because they finally have a legit quarterback.

 

[steelbtexan]

I think unless the bottom falls out BOB will be back. To think otherwise is wishful thinking by the anti BOB crowd.

I also think the Draft only/Cheap FA philosophy comes from ownership, since both RS/Gaine both operated this way. It's cheaper as an org to operate this way. However you will never win a Lombardi if that's the goal of ownership.

 

[Number19]

Only one of those I'd question offhand is Falcons, but they're not as effective on the road. So, 9 wins is doable (if we keep Watson upright).

Doable - yes. I used the phrase " expected to win". We are a playoff team. We've won our division 3 out of the past 4 years. Beating these teams should be expected. I'm more positive about our team than many posters. I look at our starting 22 and if we stay moderately healthy, we have got a team that can again beat the Colts for our division.

 

[76Texan]

Says the king of literal

See, here I was having a conversation with another poster, yet you feel the need to interject.
And the discussion had nothing to do with Gaine either.

I don't need to put anybody on Ignore, unless it's absolutely necessary (I only did it once.)

I merely point out the fact that you have been doing just what you accuse others for doing, which is branching out of the main topic.

To me, that is very normal on a message board.

Peace.

 

[JB]

See, here I was having a conversation with another poster, yet you feel the need to interject.
And the discussion had nothing to do with Gaine either.

I don't need to put anybody on Ignore, unless it's absolutely necessary (I only did it once.)

I merely point out the fact that you have been doing just what you accuse others for doing, which is branching out of the main topic.

To me, that is very normal on a message board.

Peace.

wow, blast from the past... I don't even recall what that was in reference to. I just love pointing out inconsistencies. I start a thread about drunks, I post about drunks. You start a thread about Roby and talk about every CB not named Roby. See the difference? Perhaps I'm just wasting my time

 

[steelbtexan]

I think consistently losing week 1, & embarrassing playoff losses show BO'b is not very good preparing his team.

I think he has some good qualities. I can't name them. But yeah, you don't win 9 in a row in this league just because. Yes, he's been able to sell his message to the team for five years.

But it seems he scraps his whole offseason in the middle of week 1.

I'm fine with people in authority admit they were wrong. But to be wrong consistently... something is wrong.

I dont like how BOB uses the preseason, his teams are never ready to go week 1. How much do you think the Saints are going to beat the Texans by week 1?

The playoffs are different, the better/healthier teams usually win. The Colts were more talented/healthier and their QB was better in the playoff game last yr.

 

[JB]

I dont like how BOB uses the preseason, his teams are never ready to go week 1. How much do you think the Saints are going to beat the Texans by week 1?

The playoffs are different, the better/healthier teams usually win. The Colts were more talented/healthier and their QB was better in the playoff game last yr.

BOB definitely has difficulty knowing how to conduct preseason for the betterment of the team starting fast, but perhaps it pays dividends later

 

[steelbtexan]

BOB definitely has difficulty knowing how to conduct preseason for the betterment of the team starting fast, but perhaps it pays dividends later

True,

Do you really believe this after seeing the playoff game last yr?

 

[76Texan]

wow, blast from the past... I don't even recall what that was in reference to. I just love pointing out inconsistencies. I start a thread about drunks, I post about drunks. You start a thread about Roby and talk about every CB not named Roby. See the difference? Perhaps I'm just wasting my time

Sure.
We’re all diferent.
But I talk about football plenty.

The conversations don’t have to be in the correct thread.
We all know the subject will most likely branch out.
A poster will start posting about a different thing, then another (including myself) will respond, and on we go.

Such is the nature of the beast.

 

[JB]

True,

Do you really believe this after seeing the playoff game last yr?

No, but I believed it after the 9 game winning streak. The playoff game showed me that a young Watson and an injured Hopkins and nothing else couldn't overcome

 

[JB]

Sure.
We’re all diferent.
But I tali about football plenty.

The conversations don’t have to be in the correct thread.
We all know the subject will most likely branch out.
A poster will start posting about a different thing, then another (including myself) will respond, and on we go.

Such is the nature of the beast.

there has to be limit, which is why I tried to remind you of your thread subject

 

[Texansballer74]

No, but I believed it after the 9 game winning streak. The playoff game showed me that a young Watson and an injured Hopkins and nothing else couldn't overcome

It was more to it than just those two examples.

For starters the team was not ready to play.

Second our coaching staff didn't make any type of adjustments to their plan like the Colts did. We played them twice already and we come out with the same crap.

Our coaching staff got out coached.

 

[Texansballer74]

When we did make adjustments, it was too late.

 

[JB]

It was more to it than just those two examples.

For starters the team was not ready to play.

Second our coaching staff didn't make any type of adjustments to their plan like the Colts did. We played them twice already and we come out with the same crap.

Our coaching staff got out coached.

Texans played Indy very close first two times... no reason to expect different 3rd time. Hopkins and poor performance by Watson was difference

 

[Texansballer74]

So the lethargic start was solely on Watson and Hopkins being injured.

TY Hilton torching us yet again was on Watson as well.

Again this entire team was not prepared to play is the main culprit. The coaches not making any adjustments until the 2nd half was another reason we lost that game.

The Colts came into that game ready to play some playoff football. They made adjustments way before the game started. Their plan to keep Luck upright with quick pass was just what the doctor ordered. Caught the Texans by surprised.

Yes Watson didn't have a great game. But IMO that is on the coaches. They knew this was this youngster 1st NFL playoff game. So how about setting him up for success by allowing him to get the ball out quicker. Knowing darn well your offensive line wasn't good.

 

[steelbtexan]

No, but I believed it after the 9 game winning streak. The playoff game showed me that a young Watson and an injured Hopkins and nothing else couldn't overcome

It was more a young Watson and a hurt WFV/DT.

But anyhoo, The Colts were the better team, if you want to say that's because of injury, there's a case to be made. (I disagree with it) But losing at the beginning of the yr certainly didn't help them at the end of the yr.

 

[thunderkyss]

Those games could go either way. We split last season with the Titans. The Panthers always gives up fits. Some how the have our number. The Falcons has a very explosive air game. Hopefully our secondary is up for the challenge. . I wouldn't sleep on the Jaguars because they finally have a legit quarterback.

Falcons & Panthers... hard to say now. That whole division could suck one year, then ball out the next. Very schizo division.

That includes the Saints.

 

[maverick512000]

So the lethargic start was solely on Watson and Hopkins being injured.

TY Hilton torching us yet again was on Watson as well.

Again this entire team was not prepared to play is the main culprit. The coaches not making any adjustments until the 2nd half was another reason we lost that game.

The Colts came into that game ready to play some playoff football. They made adjustments way before the game started. Their plan to keep Luck upright with quick pass was just what the doctor ordered. Caught the Texans by surprised.

Yes Watson didn't have a great game. But IMO that is on the coaches. They knew this was this youngster 1st NFL playoff game. So how about setting him up for success by allowing him to get the ball out quicker. Knowing darn well your offensive line wasn't good.

Actually that part is on Watson to. He himself admitted that one of his issues, and what he learned from that game, is that he tries to always go for the big play. For all we know they were calling quick plays but Watson was trying to extend it out. No coach in the world can make a QB throw the ball in the middle of the play. Didn't help that he really only had one target in Hopkins and the Colts knew that to. The whole team was horrible that game. You can put that on the coaches and they do have the lions share of it but its also true that players just have bad games sometimes and that was a bad game for Watson. It just sucks that his worst game also was his first playoff game.

 

[sandman]

So the lethargic start was solely on Watson and Hopkins being injured.

TY Hilton torching us yet again was on Watson as well.

Again this entire team was not prepared to play is the main culprit. The coaches not making any adjustments until the 2nd half was another reason we lost that game.

The Colts came into that game ready to play some playoff football. They made adjustments way before the game started. Their plan to keep Luck upright with quick pass was just what the doctor ordered. Caught the Texans by surprised.

Yes Watson didn't have a great game. But IMO that is on the coaches. They knew this was this youngster 1st NFL playoff game. So how about setting him up for success by allowing him to get the ball out quicker. Knowing darn well your offensive line wasn't good.

First, Hilton had 5 catches for 85 yards and no TD's, and 38 yards were on one catch, so he wasn't torching the Texans in that game.

Second, Indy recognized a weakness in the Texans run defense. That was how they out-adjusted the Texans.
1. In the two regular season games, Indy had 103 pass attempts for 865 yards. In the playoff game they had 32 passes for 222 yards.
2. In the two regular season games, Indy rushed a total of only 40 times for 81 yards. In the playoff game they had 35 rushes for 200 yards.

Mack had the best game of his career against the Texans, after having 6 games where he ran for less than 50 yards, including 33 against the Texans in the December game.

This isn't just about the offensive side of the ball. Let's make sure we take note that RAC didn't have his players prepared nor make the necessary in-game adjustments.

 

[Uncle Rico]

First, Hilton had 5 catches for 85 yards and no TD's, and 38 yards were on one catch, so he wasn't torching the Texans in that game.

Second, Indy recognized a weakness in the Texans run defense. That was how they out-adjusted the Texans.
1. In the two regular season games, Indy had 103 pass attempts for 865 yards. In the playoff game they had 32 passes for 222 yards.
2. In the two regular season games, Indy rushed a total of only 40 times for 81 yards. In the playoff game they had 35 rushes for 200 yards.

Mack had the best game of his career against the Texans, after having 6 games where he ran for less than 50 yards, including 33 against the Texans in the December game.

This isn't just about the offensive side of the ball. Let's make sure we take note that RAC didn't have his players prepared nor make the necessary in-game adjustments.

Frank Reich coming out with a 7 man offensive line and completely reinventing the INDY offense is not getting enough credit. Reich caught the defense off guard and put up some quick scores. Bill Obrien and the offense couldnt get anything going in front of the home crowd and stuck to the same vanilla basic script that they ran all year. Who thought outside of the box? Who looked like the veteran coach? Its why guys like McVay, Pederson, Nagy, Reich are the future of NFL coaching and guys like Bill OBrien will be positional coaches most of their careers and we are just the jokers who keep thinking we can turn lead into gold.

RAC did adjust, and INDY didnt score another point after the 6 minute mark of the 2nd Q, but OBrien and his offensive unit couldnt do squat AT HOME to offset the defense being off balance. Reich comitted to the run and made the TExans bow to his will, while OBrien ran our QB more than our RB.

 

[steelbtexan]

Frank Reich coming out with a 7 man offensive line and completely reinventing the INDY offense is not getting enough credit. Reich caught the defense off guard and put up some quick scores. Bill Obrien and the offense couldnt get anything going in front of the home crowd and stuck to the same vanilla basic script that they ran all year. Who thought outside of the box? Who looked like the veteran coach? Its why guys like McVay, Pederson, Nagy, Reich are the future of NFL coaching and guys like Bill OBrien will be positional coaches most of their careers and we are just the jokers who keep thinking we can turn lead into gold.

RAC did adjust, and INDY didnt score another point after the 6 minute mark of the 2nd Q, but OBrien and his offensive unit couldnt do squat AT HOME to offset the defense being off balance. Reich comitted to the run and made the TExans bow to his will, while OBrien ran our QB more than our RB.

This is because Indy sat on the lead in the 2nd half and the more talented team did what they were supposed to do. Win the game.

Some fans are having a hard time coming to grips with this fact.

 

[sandman]

Frank Reich coming out with a 7 man offensive line and completely reinventing the INDY offense is not getting enough credit. Reich caught the defense off guard and put up some quick scores. Bill Obrien and the offense couldnt get anything going in front of the home crowd and stuck to the same vanilla basic script that they ran all year. Who thought outside of the box? Who looked like the veteran coach? Its why guys like McVay, Pederson, Nagy, Reich are the future of NFL coaching and guys like Bill OBrien will be positional coaches most of their careers and we are just the jokers who keep thinking we can turn lead into gold.

RAC did adjust, and INDY didnt score another point after the 6 minute mark of the 2nd Q, but OBrien and his offensive unit couldnt do squat AT HOME to offset the defense being off balance. Reich comitted to the run and made the TExans bow to his will, while OBrien ran our QB more than our RB.

Adjust? Mack had two 25+ yard runs and 90 yards in the second half and almost 50 yards on the last drive of the game when the Texans let them burn over 4 minutes off the clock to close out the game. Luck had 9 pass attempts after halftime. The Colts did exactly what they wanted to do in the second half. RAC didn't make them adjust for anything.

 

[Texansballer74]

Actually that part is on Watson to. He himself admitted that one of his issues, and what he learned from that game, is that he tries to always go for the big play. For all we know they were calling quick plays but Watson was trying to extend it out. No coach in the world can make a QB throw the ball in the middle of the play. Didn't help that he really only had one target in Hopkins and the Colts knew that to. The whole team was horrible that game. You can put that on the coaches and they do have the lions share of it but its also true that players just have bad games sometimes and that was a bad game for Watson. It just sucks that his worst game also was his first playoff game.

I said solely, meaning all on him. Which is false. This is where coaching is so important. Watson doesn't have the NFL playoffs experience. Therefore, Bill O'Brien the OC has to do a better job in recognizing when to scale it back some to help his inexperienced quarterback. He did finally adjust in the 2nd half and got his young inexperienced quarterback going in the right direction.

And of course being the leader that he is will say it's on me. Shoots every quarterback would say that after having a bad game.

 

[Texansballer74]

First, Hilton had 5 catches for 85 yards and no TD's, and 38 yards were on one catch, so he wasn't torching the Texans in that game.

Second, Indy recognized a weakness in the Texans run defense. That was how they out-adjusted the Texans.
1. In the two regular season games, Indy had 103 pass attempts for 865 yards. In the playoff game they had 32 passes for 222 yards.
2. In the two regular season games, Indy rushed a total of only 40 times for 81 yards. In the playoff game they had 35 rushes for 200 yards.

Mack had the best game of his career against the Texans, after having 6 games where he ran for less than 50 yards, including 33 against the Texans in the December game.

This isn't just about the offensive side of the ball. Let's make sure we take note that RAC didn't have his players prepared nor make the necessary in-game adjustments.

Wrong. Almost every time the Colts needed a big play a first down. The went to TY. That is considered torching in my book. They did not have an answer for him or the quick passing attack of the Colts.

They utilized both. Not just the running attack. Luck did not hold onto the ball. He killed us with the quick hitters. The reason why we didn't record a freaking sack. The first game we played them , we hit Luck often, both JJ and Clowney had 2 sacks a piece.

If you go back and read both of my comments, you will see I said the coaches didn't have this team prepared. That means both sides of the ball. Thus the reason why I stated TY killing us.

 

[Texansballer74]

Frank Reich coming out with a 7 man offensive line and completely reinventing the INDY offense is not getting enough credit. Reich caught the defense off guard and put up some quick scores. Bill Obrien and the offense couldnt get anything going in front of the home crowd and stuck to the same vanilla basic script that they ran all year. Who thought outside of the box? Who looked like the veteran coach? Its why guys like McVay, Pederson, Nagy, Reich are the future of NFL coaching and guys like Bill OBrien will be positional coaches most of their careers and we are just the jokers who keep thinking we can turn lead into gold.

RAC did adjust, and INDY didnt score another point after the 6 minute mark of the 2nd Q, but OBrien and his offensive unit couldnt do squat AT HOME to offset the defense being off balance. Reich comitted to the run and made the TExans bow to his will, while OBrien ran our QB more than our RB.

Thank you.

 

[maverick512000]

I said solely, meaning all on him. Which is false. This is where coaching is so important. Watson doesn't have the NFL playoffs experience. Therefore, Bill O'Brien the OC has to do a better job in recognizing when to scale it back some to help his inexperienced quarterback. He did finally adjust in the 2nd half and got his young inexperienced quarterback going in the right direction.

And of course being the leader that he is will say it's on me. Shoots every quarterback would say that after having a bad game.

And again you can scale it back all day long but if the QB is holding the ball hoping to get that extra 5 yards then what play you called doesn't matter. Is this what happened, I have no idea, no one does except Watson and BoB and neither of them seems willing to throw the other under the bus. All we can go on is what was said and Watson himself said he was holding it to long and trying to make the big plays.

Could be BoB was calling for long passes every play and Watson was playing what was called, could be he was calling for short passes and Watson was holding it to extend the play or it could be a mix of both. Frankly I think it was a mix of both and second half was better because they looked at it at half time and agreed that something had to be done. By that time though it was to late and Colts knew it was theirs to lose and they weren't going to lose it.