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Cin WR John Ross on trade block

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The Bengals are shopping Ross after just two seasons with the club, sources told NFL Network Insider Ian Rapoport on Tuesday.

Anyone know why?
 
I didn't see him much. Just 21 rec for 210 yds but 7 TDs. Horrific catch %, that's on 58 targets so 36%. For reference Fuller caught 71% & DHop also 71%.
 
infantrycak said:
I didn't see him much. Just 21 rec for 210 yds but 7 TDs. Horrific catch %, that's on 58 targets so 36%. For reference Fuller caught 71% & DHop also 71%.
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Never heard of this guy. It says he missed pretty much the entire rookie season due to injury. He's a blazer at a 4.22 speed apparently. I agree on the numbers assessment, but not sure what his problems seemed to be. My guess is that he's got sloppy hands, but when he gets a long ball he takes it to the house.

Wouldn't be surprised to see Belicheck kick the tires. He is notorious for trading late picks and trash for 1st round busts and underperforming players who don't fit in well with their first teams. Wouldn't be all that bad for the Texans either I think, because I doubt they want much for this guy. Similar skillset to Fuller.
 
Late round pick I have no problem taking flyers generally. Get him in front of a jugs machine 10 hours a day all spring & summer. Bring Clifford Franklin in to help.
 
Lucky said:
Kick this guy's tires, and he's going right back on the DL. In that way, I guess his skill set is similar to Fuller's.
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Is he injury prone prior to the NFL? Again, I don't know anything about this guy other than the little bit I just read. Most speedsters do seem to have the thinner frames.
 
Texecutioner said:
Never heard of this guy. It says he missed pretty much the entire rookie season due to injury. He's a blazer at a 4.22 speed apparently. I agree on the numbers assessment, but not sure what his problems seemed to be. My guess is that he's got sloppy hands, but when he gets a long ball he takes it to the house.

Wouldn't be surprised to see Belicheck kick the tires. He is notorious for trading late picks and trash for 1st round busts and underperforming players who don't fit in well with their first teams. Wouldn't be all that bad for the Texans either I think, because I doubt they want much for this guy. Similar skillset to Fuller.
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He was injured his 1st yr.

Dalton got hurt last yr.

He's very similar to Fuller and is very good in the RZ.

I would give up a 3rd for him since he's still on his rookie deal.
 
Lucky said:
A 3rd??? There will be better WRs available in the 3rd. Not to mention other positions. I doubt the Bengals get a 5th.
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If you want a burner for our 5th, Parris Campbell will likely be there for us, plus he doesn't have an injury history but did miss one game for a "head injury".
 
Lucky said:
A 3rd??? There will be better WRs available in the 3rd. Not to mention other positions. I doubt the Bengals get a 5th.
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A 5th is what I could see him going for actually. Sounds about right for a team that needs a speedster to stretch the field.
 
Since injury prone has to be a low risk high reward deal.
6th or 7th rounder
 
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Lucky said:
A 3rd??? There will be better WRs available in the 3rd. Not to mention other positions. I doubt the Bengals get a 5th.
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I still like Ross and think he would be a perfect fit for this offense.

I think he's got more potential than any WR that could be drafted late in the 3rd rd. The talent that got him drafted #9 is still there.
 
steelbtexan said:
He was injured his 1st yr.

Dalton got hurt last yr.

He's very similar to Fuller and is very good in the RZ.

I would give up a 3rd for him since he's still on his rookie deal.
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You would while Fuller is still in our plans ?
 
steelbtexan said:
I still like Ross and think he would be a perfect fit for this offense.

I think he's got more potential than any WR that could be drafted late in the 3rd rd. The talent that got him drafted #9 is still there.
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Yeah, but did you watch him in college or on the Bengals? I don't think a high draft pick from two years ago should constitute that much confidence on that alone. Not saying he can't play either, again I've never seen him. I do think a 3rd rounder is to high though. I think a 5th rounder is sufficient.
 
steelbtexan said:
Yes, I see Ross and Fuller in the same light.

Very talented and unproven.
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You don't think that Fuller is proven? I do. He's played pretty damn well when healthy. Only real complaint I'd have besides his lack of availability would be how garbage his hands were his rookie season, but he seemed to have improved a lot on catching the ball at least. He just needs to stay healthy. His chemistry with Watson is really good.
 
Texecutioner said:
Yeah, but did you watch him in college or on the Bengals? I don't think a high draft pick from two years ago should constitute that much confidence on that alone. Not saying he can't play either, again I've never seen him. I do think a 3rd rounder is to high though. I think a 5th rounder is sufficient.
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He was very productive in college and stood out in the Alabama game and was a weapon all season long. A 5th would be better, but I would give up a 3rd. I like him more than most.

Ross scored 7 TD's last yr with Dalton missing 5 games.
 
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I found this nugget on John Ross, yes he ran a 4.22 but it has been a disaster. Better be a lower draft pick or someone not in our future, maybe they want one of our interchangable DL guys. He does not seem to be a cancer or such so maybe a change of scenery and reset expectations would help. Being WR #3 maybe would help

Although Ross is fast, he hasn't showed off many other talents during his first two years in Cincinnati. Ross' rookie year in 2017 was an unmitigated disaster. Not only did Ross only play in three games that season, but he was only on the field for a total of 17 snaps combined in those three games. Ross didn't catch a single pass in 2017 and he also fumbled away his only touch of the season when he lost the ball on a running play. The receiver's season finally ended in December 2017 when the team placed him on injured reserve.

In 2018, things definitely got better for Ross, but he still wasn't good enough to justify his draft position. Ross finished the year with just 21 catches for 210 yards. The 24-year-old's biggest contribution came in the scoring department as he caught seven touchdown passes, including five that came inside the 10-yard line, which was tied for the fourth most in the NFL last season.

Due to his injury history and the fact that he's struggled through two seasons means that it will likely be tough for the Bengals to land anything substantial for Ross in a trade. The team could also cut him, but if they were to go that route, they'd be left with a dead cap hit of just over $10 million, which is likely why they're trying to pull off a trade.
 
infantrycak said:
June 1st only makes a difference for cuts, not trades. Even then it only lets a team distribute dead money. It doesn't change the total.
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Not according to OTC... though re-distributing dead money may be the difference
 
JB said:
sorry, that should have been $626K
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At a minimum, trade or cut, the Bengals are on the hook for 2 years of prorated signing bonus which has not yet gone on their cap. That's $5.292 mil.

Here's the unknown. His contract was fully guaranteed at signing. So the key fact neither OTC or Spotrac state is whether there is offset language. If not there is a big trade v cut distinction. Trade the new team takes on the guaranteed salaries. Cut the Bengals would have to pay those salaries on top of his new contract. Even if there is offset language he isn't going to offset all of it if cut. It's not a dead money issue. It's an actual new dollars out the door issue.
 
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infantrycak said:
At a minimum, trade or cut, the Bengals are on the hook for 2 years of prorated signing bonus which has not yet gone on their cap. That's $5.292 mil.

Here's the unknown. His contract was fully guaranteed at signing. So the key fact neither OTC or Spotrac state is whether there is offset language. If not there is a big trade v cut distinction. Trade the new team takes on the guaranteed salaries. Cut the Bengals would have to pay those salaries on top of his new contract. Even if there is offset language he isn't going to offset all of it if cut. It's not a dead money issue. It's an actual new dollars out the door issue.
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yeah, I don't think they'll b trading him at all unless they get blown away... but they do have $50M in cap savings so may not be that hard to do for a WR3
 
steelbtexan said:
Yes, I see Ross and Fuller in the same light.

Very talented and unproven.
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Yes exactly we still have Fuller under his rookie contract so in view of all of our other needs that's why I'd be reluctant to commit a 3rd round pick to a player who's very much like one already on our roster.
 
IDEXAN said:
Yes exactly we still have Fuller under his rookie contract so in view of all of our other needs that's why I'd be reluctant to commit a 3rd round pick to a player who's very much like one already on our roster.
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Until steelb wrests the GM job from Gaine, the 3rd round pick is safe.

Seriously, I'm very excited about the depth of the WR class. Not a super need for the Texans as far as a premium pick. But 3rd day, and even UDFA could provide some nice projects.
 
IDEXAN said:
Yes exactly we still have Fuller under his rookie contract so in view of all of our other needs that's why I'd be reluctant to commit a 3rd round pick to a player who's very much like one already on our roster.
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I can definitely see your point of view.

Getting the fastest guy in the NFL, who was underused and is still a very talented guy for a 3rd rd pick and fills one of those needs that your talking about is a cheap price to pay. IMHO

What Gaine should offer is a 5th in this yrs draft, or a 4th that can become a 3rd in the 2020 draft if Ross performs well.
 
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