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Game 9...Keenum Krumbles...Denver Broncos!

JamTex

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On Sunday, November 4th at 3:05 pm CST, The Texans will travel to Denver Colorado to take on the Denver Broncos at Broncos Stadium at Mile High. The game will be aired on TV on CBS 11 and on radio on AM SportsTalk 610.

With Will Fuller out for the season with an ACL tear, Deshaun Watson will have to prove his metal and use different targets with someone having to step up and play over the top to help him out. Fuller is a huge loss, but nothing is impossible for Deshaun Watson and his incredible drive to win.

Here are the teams.

Your Houston Texans...
Offense:
WR DeAndre Hopkins Vyncint Smith
LT Julie'n Davenport Martinas Rankin
LG Senio Kelemete
C Nick Martin Greg Mancz
RG Zach Fulton
RT Kendall Lamm David Sharpe
TE Ryan Griffin Jordan Akins Jordan Thomas
WR Keke Coutee
WR Will Fuller V Sammie Coates Jr.
QB Deshaun Watson Brandon Weeden Joe Webb III
RB Lamar Miller Alfred Blue Tyler Ervin Buddy Howell

Defense:
DE J.J. Watt Joel Heath
NT D.J. Reader Brandon Dunn
DE Angelo Blackson Christian Covington Carlos Watkins
SAM Whitney Mercilus Brennan Scarlett
MIKE Benardrick McKinney Brian Peters
WILL Zach Cunningham Josh Keyes
JACK Jadeveon Clowney Duke Ejiofor Peter Kalambayi
CB Johnathan Joseph Johnson Bademosi
CB Aaron Colvin Shareece Wright
S Tyrann Mathieu Andre Hal Natrell Jamerson A.J. Moore
S Kareem Jackson Justin Reid Mike Tyson

Special Teams:
K Ka'imi Fairbairn
P Trevor Daniel
LS Jon Weeks
KR Tyler Ervin Keke Coutee
PR Tyler Ervin Keke Coutee
H Trevor Daniel

The Denver Broncos...
Offense:
WR Emmanuel Sanders Courtland Sutton Tim Patrick
LT Garett Bolles Elijah Wilkinson
LG Max Garcia
C Matt Paradis Sam Jones
RG Connor McGovern Billy Turner
RT Jared Veldheer Billy Turner
TE Jeff Heuerman Matt LaCosse Brian Parker
WR Demaryius Thomas DaeSean Hamilton
RB Royce Freeman Devontae Booker Phillip Lindsay
QB Case Keenum Kevin Hogan
FB Andy Janovich

Defense:
DE Derek Wolfe Zach Kerr
NT Domata Peko Sr. Shelby Harris
DE Adam Gotsis DeMarcus Walker
SLB Bradley Chubb Shaquil Barrett
WLB Von Miller Shane Ray
ILB Todd Davis Keishawn Bierria Alexander Johnson
ILB Brandon Marshall Josey Jewell Joe Jones
LCB Bradley Roby Tramaine Brock
RCB Chris Harris Jr. Adam Jones Isaac Yiadom
SS Darian Stewart Will Parks Shamarko Thomas
FS Justin Simmons Dymonte Thomas

Special Teams:
PK Brandon McManus
KO Brandon McManus
P Colby Wadman
H Colby Wadman
LS Casey Kreiter
KR Phillip Lindsay Adam Jones
PR Adam Jones Phillip Lindsay

The offenses are very equal in almost every category, however, in the last 2 games, the Texans running game has come alive with great efforts from both Miller and Blue. This will be the key to the game against the Broncos 2nd worse defense against the run. When the Texans running game gets going, it opens up the entire field for Watson and the receivers. Jordan Thomas has been a nice surprise and he will need to step up even more with the loss of Fuller. The others that will need to step up are Keke Coutee if he's available to play, Sammy Coates and Vyncint Smith. Coates has shown an improvement in catching the ball, but he's really going to need to step up and not start dropping passes at critical moments or in 3rd down situations. Smith will have to use his speed to try and be the receiver that can take the top off a defense and open things up for DeAndre. Jordan Akins will also need to step it up along with Tyler Ervin to hit the slot. Who will it be? Who can step up to fill the slot and get open for Watson? Watson will need to spread the ball around to different receivers to keep the Broncos secondary off balance and use the running game to keep their secondary honest.
The Texans defense took a couple of hits with Jonathan Joseph and Zach Cunningham getting banged up. Hopefully, the extra 3 days off can help them to recover. If not, it will be up to rookies and back ups to step up and get things done. The good news is good depth at the linbacker position, the issue is the lack of depth in the secondary. It's going to be up to the front 7 to really step up and harass Case Keenum. Watt, Clowney, Reader and Mercilus will need to get after Keenum and hit him often as well as get sacks. Keenum has some very good weapons in Emmanuel Sanders and Demaryius Thomas. These guys are dangerous and will give the secondary more then they can handle. These guys are the reason the front 7 of the Texans will need to beat up on Keenum and try and prevent him from getting the ball out. Easier said then done.
This game could go either way. The only reason I'm going to give the Texans the edge in this game is because of the resurgence of the running game and Denver's inability to stop it.
The Texans edge out the Broncos in a high flying affair.

Texans 35
Broncos 32
 
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Even with their five game winning streak, I honestly have no idea of what the Texans will do. The defense will be good, and the offense has Watson, so we'll for sure be in the game no matter the outcome.

Here's to 6-3 at the bye, something most of us didn't think we'd see. :barman:
 
JB said:
This thread awfully late coming about... j/s here we are Sat morning already
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I was going to wait until after the Broncos-Chiefs game to create it to see the outcome and what they might do, but I think we all know what the outcome of that game will be. Broncos getting destroyed.
So I decided to go ahead and create our thread.
That and I had to be at work at 10 pm Thursday night and worked a double untill 2:30 Friday afternoon, then had to be back at work Friday night at 10 pm. So I didn't get the chance to create it until this morning.
 
JamTex said:
I was going to wait until after the Broncos-Chiefs game to create it to see the outcome and what they might do, but I think we all know what the outcome of that game will be. Broncos getting destroyed.
So I decided to go ahead and create our thread.
That and I had to be at work at 10 pm Thursday night and worked a double untill 2:30 Friday afternoon, then had to be back at work Friday night at 10 pm. So I didn't get the chance to create it until this morning.
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No worries man... I was just poking fun. Appreciate every thread
 
It's all good brother. I'm glad you like the threads. I try to put some thought into them and create something everyone can discuss.
 
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JamTex said:
The only reason I'm going to give the Texans the edge in this game is because of the resurgence of the running game and Denver's inability to stop it.
The Texans edge out the Broncos in a high flying affair.

Texans 35
Broncos 32
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I'm not sure that I am willing to claim "the resurgence of the running game" quite yet. Denver indeed has been unable to stop the run, ranking 31st in rushing yards given up per game (148.1). However, our rush game last Thursday was more than aided by the Dolphin's 30th ranked rushing yards given up per game (143.1).
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
I'm not sure that I am willing to claim "the resurgence of the running game" quite yet. Denver indeed has been unable to stop the run, ranking 31st in rushing yards given up per game (148.1). However, our rush game last Thursday was more than aided by the Dolphin's 30th ranked rushing yards given up per game (143.1).
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Nothing like facing the bottom of the league to boost your numbers...
 
JamTex said:
I was going to wait until after the Broncos-Chiefs game to create it to see the outcome and what they might do, but I think we all know what the outcome of that game will be. Broncos getting destroyed.
So I decided to go ahead and create our thread.
That and I had to be at work at 10 pm Thursday night and worked a double untill 2:30 Friday afternoon, then had to be back at work Friday night at 10 pm. So I didn't get the chance to create it until this morning.
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You work too much!
 
metal -- the stuff airplanes, coins, man-hole covers are made from

mettle -- a person's ability to cope well with difficulties or to face a demanding situation in a spirited and resilient way.

sorry, but the spelling/grammar fanatic in me cannot always be contained.

back to game.... I'll wait until I see how the Broncos deal with Mahomes. If they can contain him (and Andy Reid's play calling) then I worry we might lose
 
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Here's a stat for you. Case Keenum has thrown 8 touchdowns and 9 interceptions.
With the Texans front 7 going after him, this might be a really bad day for Case.
He'll get hurried and he will make mistakes. Mathieu, Reid, Hal and Jackson could have a huge game in this one. Maybe even a linebacker interception.
Let's see if Case keeps up with this very poor stat.

Git'r Done!
Go Texans!
 
In comparison, Deshaun has thrown for 15 touchdowns and 7 interceptions. That's 7 more touchdowns and 2 less interceptions then Case has been able to muster. This doesn't fare well for Case.
 
The only chance Denver has is Von Miller and Bradley Chubb. They are the only guys that can keep Deshaun down. I don't think they will be enough.
 
JamTex said:
Here's a stat for you. Case Keenum has thrown 8 touchdowns and 9 interceptions.
With the Texans front 7 going after him, this might be a really bad day for Case.
He'll get hurried and he will make mistakes. Mathieu, Reid, Hal and Jackson could have a huge game in this one. Maybe even a linebacker interception.
Let's see if Case keeps up with this very poor stat.

Git'r Done!
Go Texans!
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The Broncos are pretty good running the ball but haven't been doing it enough so far. They are 3-0 so far when running 25+ carries per game. They are looking pretty good in the first half here against KC.

We will need to maintain our discipline in the front 7, dare I criticise JJ but it has become a theme that if you run right at him, thus avoiding Clowney and often he creates his own running lane. They are gashing KC as we speak. We will have to stop the run and ask Case to beat our depleted DB corps with his arm.
 
I like that Lindsey kid. Keenum though is a turnover machine, picks and ball on the ground all day. He will make some plays, but misses many and gives you some. Front 7 and occasional DB blitz will make him dispense like a slot machine. If we let them get a lead with turnovers and such and they run the ball, I dont like that, very solid running game. Holding calls killing them and we dont seem to get those calls, so...
 
Case will try to make a point to the Texans about his unacceptable yo-yo employment history with us by tossing up some personal best numbers Sunday and while this sounds good in his head... shyt ain't gonna work out for him.. even if he's a mile high (pun intended).
 
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Mile High 17, Swampland 15. Broncos always defeat Houston teams. Why do I predict a loss? Simply because I think Denver will win.
 
My initial instinct feeling was we lose this. But... Denver's game revolves around running the ball. They run to set up the pass. The games where Keenum was successful, they were able to run the ball. We're good at stopping/limiting the running game. If we do that and figure out how to compensate for Fuller's absence, we have a decent chance, I think.
 
Will be the toughest test to date with Von Miller, Bradley Chubb rushing the passer. IOW's Lamm nor Davenport will be able to hide. Chris Harris will be locked up with Nuk so it'll be important for Coutee (if he's back) and Miller/Blue to able to pick up the slack in the passing game without Fuller. Then there's the altitude...which I wonder how that will affect Watson with the bruised lung.

I think that if we can slow down Lindsay and force Keenum into a few mistakes we'll be ok.
 
Thought I read somewhere that Vonn Miller didn't play today? Will he play against us? Fuller out if Vyncint Smith not the guy does Watson use his TEs more and RBs? Both the rookie TEs looked decent and Miller is good receiver; I'm interested to see if they are part of offense.

Who will will be at corner? Will Wright be back to play with K Jackson? Bademosi?
 
Thought I read somewhere that Vonn Miller didn't play today? Will he play against us? Fuller out if Vyncint Smith not the guy does Watson use his TEs more and RBs? Both the rookie TEs looked decent and Miller is good receiver; I'm interested to see if they are part of offense.

Who will will be at corner? Will Wright be back to play with K Jackson? Bademosi?
 
badboy said:
Thought I read somewhere that Vonn Miller didn't play today? Will he play against us? Fuller out if Vyncint Smith not the guy does Watson use his TEs more and RBs? Both the rookie TEs looked decent and Miller is good receiver; I'm interested to see if they are part of offense.

Who will will be at corner? Will Wright be back to play with K Jackson? Bademosi?
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He was "Questionable," but did play. He along with Chubb constantly pressured Mahomes, including at least 1/2 sack each.
 
Thought I read somewhere that Vonn Miller didn't play today? Will he play against us? Fuller out if Vyncint Smith not the guy does Watson use his TEs more and RBs? Both the rookie TEs looked decent and Miller is good receiver; I'm interested to see if they are part of offense.

Who will will be at corner? Will Wright be back to play with K Jackson? Bademosi?
 
It's up to the Texans to prove that they can still be competent without Will Fuller.

I have zero reason to believe this is possible because they haven't shown me as such.

Hopefully they show it and don't shrivel up like a frightened turtle.
 
If Tyler Ervin can keep up what he’s doing now in the slot, I feel we will be ok. We will need for someone to step up at #2 though...
 
ObsiWan said:
If one of the Jordan brothers (Akins or Thomas) could transform into Travis Kelce I'd feel a lot better about winning against the Broncos. Griffin has had his chance.
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Either of them could. Both have really improved in their run blocking and both have very good hands. They are also both well on the way to learning how to get separation and run the routes extremely effectively. Both are also improving in their pass blocking. I think either is an upgrade over Griffin right now and they'll only get better. Especially since they will both have to step up and become targets more often with the loss of Fuller.
 
It's very possible Hopkins will be the only receiver (including tight ends) that has more than 10 catches on the season for this game. That doesn't excite me.
 
Sadly I expect the Texans to lose this game.

It feels weird to say but we’re “due” for a loss.

CBs beyond banged up and Cunningham/Coutee also might not play. We saw how the offense looked without both Fuller/Coutee in week 1 and Miller/Chubb screaming off the edges.

Oh also the Keenum revenge game against the coach that said he’ll never be more than a 3rd string QB...

I’ll be pleasantly surprised if we win this road game!
 
Denver pass rush vs our OL could win them the game.

They also have a quality ground game. If we shut that down Keenum gives us a shot at the game.

On balance I'd give them the edge.
 
I'm watching this NE Buffalo game right now...……..Buffalo's defense is no joke, they can rush the passer & have been giving Brady fits much like they gave DW4 fits...at least through the 1st half anyway. On the low, they may have been the best defense we'll face which bodes well for us going into Denver. Our game against Buffalo..as terrible on offense as it was, may have been a blessing in disguise b/c since then the o-line & offense in general has looked much better.
 
I'm in the "We're due" club.

Doesn't matter how bad your schedule is, six in a row is hard to do. If this team pulls it off, I'll have to lay off BO'b.

That's a mentally tough team that wins 6 in a row. & a coach that could turn this marshmallow social club into a mentally tough team is a coach I can get behind.
 
The Broncos had played the Chiefs twice and the Rams.
The Texans had only played the Pats.

The rest of the Texans opponents so far, I'm not even sure can match up with the Seahawks and the Ravens.

In another word, if the Broncos play the same schedule as the Texans, they are likely 5-3 or 6-2 right now.

The only good QB the Texans had faced was Brady.
Luck is only rounding into shape lately, just like Watson.
Mariota has been hampered by injury.

The Broncos had seen Mahomes twice, Goff, and Wilson.
Flacco was better than the early Luck and an injured Mariota.

Pass rush is a slight edge to the Broncos due to their interior presence and the altitude, but pass protection by the Broncos TEs and RBs is inferior.
Von Miller is nursing an injury. So are Shane Ray and Marshall at LB.
Their 3&4 CBs are also not 100%.
Roby is inconsistent as the no. 2 (and suffered an injury during the last game), but the Texans won't have Fuller to take adavantage of it.
They also lost their starting safety Stewart and Royce Freeman at RB.

Bolles, at LT is quite inconsistent, between getting beat badly and committing holding penalties.
Veldheer, who they brought in to play RT, was done for the season after a few games.

Their run defense suffers at times because they have to account for the opponents' passing attack.

This could be an ugly game if both pass rushing units play up to their snub.

Keenum have been playing better than the numbers indicated.
Two or three TD passes (maybe 4) were called back due to penalties or when it was a real close call (receiver barely has a foot on the line).

3 INTs were due to miscommunication with the receivers (he threw the ball before the receiver makes the break) and one when the TE lost a battle with a much smaller CB.

DT is no longer what he once was, and Sanders isn't getting any younger either.
They have a big young guy, Sutton, to eventually replace DT, but he was like the big version of the rookie Fuller, that needs to run better routes.

Their number 4, Hamilton, is a small guy that can run routes and block surprisingly well, but he was also out due to injury.

It will probably boil down to which team makes the fewer critical mistakes.

And just because I say it, maybe this game will turn into an unexpected shoot out.
 
I'm thinking injuries finally catch up to us and we are the get right team the broncos need. I hope I'm wrong, but I see us going up to Mile high and them running on us all day. Just seems like the momentum is too much, we're due for a humble pie soon enough.
 
Hold up didn't the Texans play the mighty Jaguars who beat the Patriots.


People kill me when they attempt to compare the strength of schedule like it's truly a factor. We don't what their records wouldve been if they played each others schedule.
 
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Texansballer74 said:
Hold up didn't the Texans play the mighty Jaguars who beat the Patriots.

Didn't we also play the Dolphins who also beat the Patriots?

People kill me when they attempt to compare the strength of schedule like it's truly a factor. We don't what their records wouldve been if they played each others schedule.
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the Dolphins got absolutely destroyed by the Patriots
 
76Texan said:
The Broncos had played the Chiefs twice and the Rams.
The Texans had only played the Pats.

The rest of the Texans opponents so far, I'm not even sure can match up with the Seahawks and the Ravens.

In another word, if the Broncos play the same schedule as the Texans, they are likely 5-3 or 6-2 right now.

The only good QB the Texans had faced was Brady.
Luck is only rounding into shape lately, just like Watson.
Mariota has been hampered by injury.

The Broncos had seen Mahomes twice, Goff, and Wilson.
Flacco was better than the early Luck and an injured Mariota.

Pass rush is a slight edge to the Broncos due to their interior presence and the altitude, but pass protection by the Broncos TEs and RBs is inferior.
Von Miller is nursing an injury. So are Shane Ray and Marshall at LB.
Their 3&4 CBs are also not 100%.
Roby is inconsistent as the no. 2 (and suffered an injury during the last game), but the Texans won't have Fuller to take adavantage of it.
They also lost their starting safety Stewart and Royce Freeman at RB.

Bolles, at LT is quite inconsistent, between getting beat badly and committing holding penalties.
Veldheer, who they brought in to play RT, was done for the season after a few games.

Their run defense suffers at times because they have to account for the opponents' passing attack.

This could be an ugly game if both pass rushing units play up to their snub.

Keenum have been playing better than the numbers indicated.
Two or three TD passes (maybe 4) were called back due to penalties or when it was a real close call (receiver barely has a foot on the line).

3 INTs were due to miscommunication with the receivers (he threw the ball before the receiver makes the break) and one when the TE lost a battle with a much smaller CB.

DT is no longer what he once was, and Sanders isn't getting any younger either.
They have a big young guy, Sutton, to eventually replace DT, but he was like the big version of the rookie Fuller, that needs to run better routes.

Their number 4, Hamilton, is a small guy that can run routes and block surprisingly well, but he was also out due to injury.

It will probably boil down to which team makes the fewer critical mistakes.

And just because I say it, maybe this game will turn into an unexpected shoot out.
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This post says you're a Keenum (I am too although not as big as you are)/Broncos fan.
 
76Texan said:
The Broncos had played the Chiefs twice and the Rams.
The Texans had only played the Pats.

The rest of the Texans opponents so far, I'm not even sure can match up with the Seahawks and the Ravens.

In another word, if the Broncos play the same schedule as the Texans, they are likely 5-3 or 6-2 right now.

The only good QB the Texans had faced was Brady.
Luck is only rounding into shape lately, just like Watson.
Mariota has been hampered by injury.

The Broncos had seen Mahomes twice, Goff, and Wilson.
Flacco was better than the early Luck and an injured Mariota.

Pass rush is a slight edge to the Broncos due to their interior presence and the altitude, but pass protection by the Broncos TEs and RBs is inferior.
Von Miller is nursing an injury. So are Shane Ray and Marshall at LB.
Their 3&4 CBs are also not 100%.
Roby is inconsistent as the no. 2 (and suffered an injury during the last game), but the Texans won't have Fuller to take adavantage of it.
They also lost their starting safety Stewart and Royce Freeman at RB.

Bolles, at LT is quite inconsistent, between getting beat badly and committing holding penalties.
Veldheer, who they brought in to play RT, was done for the season after a few games.

Their run defense suffers at times because they have to account for the opponents' passing attack.

This could be an ugly game if both pass rushing units play up to their snub.

Keenum have been playing better than the numbers indicated.
Two or three TD passes (maybe 4) were called back due to penalties or when it was a real close call (receiver barely has a foot on the line).

3 INTs were due to miscommunication with the receivers (he threw the ball before the receiver makes the break) and one when the TE lost a battle with a much smaller CB.

DT is no longer what he once was, and Sanders isn't getting any younger either.
They have a big young guy, Sutton, to eventually replace DT, but he was like the big version of the rookie Fuller, that needs to run better routes.

Their number 4, Hamilton, is a small guy that can run routes and block surprisingly well, but he was also out due to injury.

It will probably boil down to which team makes the fewer critical mistakes.

And just because I say it, maybe this game will turn into an unexpected shoot out.
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Well said.

I think it will be a shoot out too coming down to turnovers. Texans can shut down the run and Denver has a tough pass defense.

Texans should hope they muster up a pass defense with all their injuries otherwise Case may have a career day.
 
Texansballer74 said:
Hold up didn't the Texans play the mighty Jaguars who beat the Patriots.


People kill me when they attempt to compare the strength of schedule like it's truly a factor. We don't what their records wouldve been if they played each others schedule.
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Texans have an easy schedule.

The first 3-4 games there seem to be games that are won or lost that later in the season wouldn’t happen. If the Jags played the Patriots today would they still win? Probably not. Would the giants beat us today? Probably not. Patriots are notorious for dropping a game early in the season too.

Funny thing though -

The jags beat the Patriots who lost the lions who lost to the cowboys who we beat so we should be able to beat the Patriots and Lions. We beat the Jags who beat the Giants who have lost to everyone else except us.
 
TexansBull said:
Texans have an easy schedule.

The first 3-4 games there seem to be games that are won or lost that later in the season wouldn’t happen. If the Jags played the Patriots today would they still win? Probably not. Would the giants beat us today? Probably not. Patriots are notorious for dropping a game early in the season too.

Funny thing though -

The jags beat the Patriots who lost the lions who lost to the cowboys who we beat so we should be able to beat the Patriots and Lions. We beat the Jags who beat the Giants who have lost to everyone else except us.
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Thats football for ya
 
Mr teX said:
Will be the toughest test to date with Von Miller, Bradley Chubb rushing the passer. IOW's Lamm nor Davenport will be able to hide. Chris Harris will be locked up with Nuk so it'll be important for Coutee (if he's back) and Miller/Blue to able to pick up the slack in the passing game without Fuller. Then there's the altitude...which I wonder how that will affect Watson with the bruised lung.

I think that if we can slow down Lindsay and force Keenum into a few mistakes we'll be ok.
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I agree. We must win turnover battle. My hope is DW makes it out as healthy as he goes in. My wish is that and we win.
 
Texansballer74 said:
Hold up didn't the Texans play the mighty Jaguars who beat the Patriots.


People kill me when they attempt to compare the strength of schedule like it's truly a factor. We don't what their records wouldve been if they played each others schedule.
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Of course, the roster of NFL teams are always fluid.
That's why we are concerned about losing Fuller.

On any given day, one team can beat another, but in the long term (or at least after 7-8 games), we usually know more about the real and current condition of the teams.

Some teams have a decimated roster early on (like the Pats); some are losing players later, like the Jags and the Titans. (And the Texans and the Broncos, etc.)

Some teams seem to have a good HC that usual improve his team throughout the season, like the Seahawks and the Pats.

Some teams lose their cool, like the Jags and the Browns, etc.

Comparisons are not absolute; they are just educated guesses and assessments of the teams based on all the informations gathered.
 
steelbtexan said:
This post says you're a Keenum (I am too although not as big as you are)/Broncos fan.
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Obviously I'm a Keenum's fan.
But I never had the high expectations like the VY's crowd (shsss).
I simply think that he can play at this level, even if just as a second tier QB.
Between last year and last year, I think he's about an average QB.
You can call him a game manager, something like that.
To the HCs, I think, Case doesn't often make head-scratching decision that get them to tear their hair out, LOL.
 
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