State of the O-line

[TheKDog]

Schaub and Koobs were attached at the hip. Koobs could have said he wanted a new QB. There must have been signs of the epic QB meltdown that was about to unfold. He chose to go down with the ship. No way a HC doesn't have input over who will QB his team.

I'm referring to the extension.

Schaub was quite surprised he got one.

The Texans up until then had a policy of not extending until after the season.

During the press conference, it was Rick, McNair and Schaub. No Kubiak. And Rick made some pointed statements to the effect "I never said we wouldn't extend him this year. I don't know who said that but it wasn't me."

Just speculating but it was strange and I feel maybe Rick and McNair overruled Kubiak there.

 

[Lucky]

Texans signed David Sharpe OT to the practice squad. He was a 4th round pick from Oakland last year, played college at Florida

There were pre-draft rumors that Sharpe was legally blind in his right eye, though Sharpe denied it. There's no denying that Sharpe has battled weight issues.

 

[steelbtexan]

Texans signed David Sharpe OT to the practice squad. He was a 4th round pick from Oakland last year, played college at Florida

Sharpe can only play LT because of some kind of eye problem.

I kinda think he can become like another Trent Brown. He's a decent depth piece at worst.

 

[steelbtexan]

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[steelbtexan]

yea I'm starting to realize why everyone on this board has the same opinion of you. People present you with actual facts, and you want to ignore or dismiss them. I am not your google, Okoye isn't the only player in Texans history to have a drug issue and be drafted, signed, or remain on the team. Colvin has been suspended 4 games for a PED violation, not hard to look that up is it? You claim to want the texans to change how they aquire players, and this off season they have, you are just butt hurt because they didn't sign your guy yet again. Have fun choosing to live in ignorance

I was talking about Pot, the combine and the draft.

Not sure why you brought up PED's? Obviously McNair doesn't have an issue with PED's. # Cushing and the overtrained athlete disease.

 

[ObsiWan]

Another year of scouring the waiver wire and practice squad, and it's only been one week.

Doesn't seem normal. I don't remember this during the Kubiak years.

oh we did that quite a bit (we called it "dumpster diving" back then) in '06/'07 when Kubiak was in his 'makeover' phase.

 

[OptimisticTexan]

Yep, Gaine chose to risk Watson's health this yr and it almost caught up to him in the 1st game of the yr. If that guy would've fallen on Watson instead of Henderson, I'm sure we would've been having a whole different discussion this morning.

If Watson gets hurt again this yr do you spend another 1st on another QB?

Look, I want 2 OL in the first 3 rounds or 4 picks. As for QB.....I think something really cool could fall in place for this team. Clemson's Trevor Lawrence is an absolute stud and I'm predicting right now that he's going to be the primary starter at some point this season, relegating Kelly Bryant to QB2. If this scenario plays out.....Texans might have a real chance of drafting Kelly Bryant in RD4. I still think he's a solid QB, it's just unfortunate for him that Lawrence wanted to play for the Tigers. Kelly is a Watson clone from a physical and play standpoint....his accuracy can be improved upon.

 

[OptimisticTexan]

Who has a good tackle on an expiring contract that they want to move for a 2nd round pick? I would gladly trade one or both of our 2nd rounders for a quality tackle.

Those picks are important as well, so it might be wise to play a few more games and determine which direction the season could go before surrendering any picks

 

[Texanmike02]

Lamm was inactive

Roster status or general playing style?

 

[Uncle Rico]

Jesus H ... We really talking about another QB already? Texans sure have their warts, but this place isn't necessarily ground zero for Texan Fan. Wow!

 

[PapaL]

I wouldn't pigeonhole it to everyone. I enjoy SteelB's takes -- I've just learned to skim the last sentence that has the obligatory RSmith or McNair or franchise is rotten dig.

SteelB is one of my favorite posters. Very knowledgeable but like you I tune out when the RS talks start.

 

[OptimisticTexan]

Jesus H ... We really talking about another QB already? Texans sure have their warts, but this place isn't necessarily ground zero for Texan Fan. Wow!

Mistook my post Uncle Rico.....I'm viewing Bryant as a long-term solution to the QB2 spot behind Watson. I'd love to have this two-headed threat in my back pocket if I were the Texans. O'Brien could run the same exact offense without missing a beat.

But regardless of my position on a future QB2....the OL is my main priority going into the 2019 NFL Draft. Depending on the depth of the draft and the OL quality between a mid to late RD1 and RD2.....I'd probably trade back for an early RD2 and another pick, if the talent is there.

 

[Shishkabob]

I was talking about Pot, the combine and the draft.

Not sure why you brought up PED's? Obviously McNair doesn't have an issue with PED's. # Cushing and the overtrained athlete disease.

because all drug related infractions are relevant on the subject we are talking about

 

[Shishkabob]

Those picks are important as well, so it might be wise to play a few more games and determine which direction the season could go before surrendering any picks

well yea obviously a move like that wouldn't happen until around the deadline, when we should know how our tackles are fairing, and teams will no if their contenders or not. I just wanted to see if anyone had any names out there to keep an eye on.

 

[TheKDog]

oh we did that quite a bit (we called it "dumpster diving" back then) in '06/'07 when Kubiak was in his 'makeover' phase.

Ok so at the beginning when he was rebuilding, not 5 years in.

IMO this is a direct result of trading away so many picks. Drafts are a crapshoot and youll have busts, but trading picks means you won't have a shot at all

 

[infantrycak]

I suspect it was Rick and Mcnairs call to extend Shaub after the injury based on quotes at the time

Inside information so take it as you will (we have a Kubiak family member on the MB. I've been in their living room. He's a friend.), the contract was on Rick. Kubiak was wait and see. Now he did think Schaub still gave the best chance to win.

 

[TheKDog]

Inside information so take it as you will (we have a Kubiak family member on the MB. I've been in their living room. He's a friend.), the contract was on Rick. Kubiak was wait and see. Now he did think Schaub still gave the best chance to win.

I agree his call to keep starting Schaub. Although maybe a bit was "well you signed him long-term, you can't bench him already."

And it's interesting that Kubiak was essentially fired for Schaub falling apart. But without that extension, team could have found another QB the next year without killing team depth or the cap.

 

[steelbtexan]

I agree his call to keep starting Schaub. Although maybe a bit was "well you signed him long-term, you can't bench him already."

And it's interesting that Kubiak was essentially fired for Schaub falling apart. But without that extension, team could have found another QB the next year without killing team depth or the cap.

I agree his call to keep starting Schaub. Although maybe a bit was "well you signed him long-term, you can't bench him already."

And it's interesting that Kubiak was essentially fired for Schaub falling apart. But without that extension, team could have found another QB the next year without killing team depth or the cap.

Thanks Ricky

12 freakin yrs

 

[steelbtexan]

because all drug related infractions are relevant on the subject we are talking about

They are in your mind.

 

[Shishkabob]

I agree his call to keep starting Schaub. Although maybe a bit was "well you signed him long-term, you can't bench him already."

And it's interesting that Kubiak was essentially fired for Schaub falling apart. But without that extension, team could have found another QB the next year without killing team depth or the cap.

We traded him to the raiders after the season for a 6th round pick I think. So his contract had no long term effect on us.

I kind of miss the Kubiak offenses before he had to use a broken QB who couldn't throw a 10 yard out, or a young undrafted guy who thought the best way to avoid pressure was running backwards. Kind of wonder how DW4 would do in his system

 

[Shishkabob]

They are in your mind.

and not in yours because it works against your narrative

 

[steelbtexan]

Those picks are important as well, so it might be wise to play a few more games and determine which direction the season could go before surrendering any picks

Yep, they gotta get lucky and hope that Watson makes it through this yr healthy. Regardless of record this yr. # Gambling

 

[steelbtexan]

and not in yours because it works against your narrative

Ditto

And that's the rub.

 

[CloakNNNdagger]

Sharpe can only play LT because of some kind of eye problem.

I kinda think he can become like another Trent Brown. He's a decent depth piece at worst.

Chris Mortensen began that rumor prior to his Draft..............that he was legally blind in his right eye. It was an irresponsible false report based on the fact that he underwent cataract surgery on that eye as a child. As with most that have undergone such surgery, there can be some residual "blurriness," but nothing that usually will affect the person later as an adult, extremely unlikely to result in legal blindedness. Cataracts in an infant can be congenital, or due to trauma to the eye, or diabetes. With Sharpe's weight "issues," I would be most concerned about the latter being the etiologic factor.

His vision is not going to be his major problem........his inability to move his mountain of a body to NFL level standards will be.

 

[Shishkabob]

Chris Mortensen began that rumor prior to his Draft..............that he was legally blind in his right eye. It was an irresponsible false report based on the fact that he underwent cataract surgery on that eye as a child. As with most that have undergone such surgery, there can be some residual "blurriness," but nothing that usually will affect the person later as an adult, extremely unlikely to result in legal blindedness. Cataracts in an infant can be congenital, or due to trauma to the eye, or diabetes. With Sharpe's weight "issues," I would be most concerned about the latter being the etiologic factor.

His vision is not going to be his major problem........his inability to move his mountain of a body to NFL level standards will be.

yea from the few reports I read about him in Oakland they were using him almost exclusively as a RT

 

[OptimisticTexan]

Inside information so take it as you will (we have a Kubiak family member on the MB. I've been in their living room. He's a friend.), the contract was on Rick. Kubiak was wait and see. Now he did think Schaub still gave the best chance to win.

Thanks for the information Cak. That sort of puts 2 major QB'ing blunders on the table of RS. Both hurt financially and one included a RD2 pick....that's another check mark on the, Why Should We Replace Rick Board.

 

[TheKDog]

We traded him to the raiders after the season for a 6th round pick I think. So his contract had no long term effect on us.

I kind of miss the Kubiak offenses before he had to use a broken QB who couldn't throw a 10 yard out, or a young undrafted guy who thought the best way to avoid pressure was running backwards. Kind of wonder how DW4 would do in his system

Not long term, but we had that contract on the books two years, possibly hurting a search for a new QB and then there may have been a cap hit in the 3rd year as well.

 

[Shishkabob]

Not long term, but we had that contract on the books two years, possibly hurting a search for a new QB and then there may have been a cap hit in the 3rd year as well.

Generally when you trade a player, the contract is traded too thats why its preferred to try to find a trade partner instead of just cutting a player. We extended him in 2012, he played poorly in 2013 and we traded him that offseason. He re-worked his contract for the raiders to help facilitate the trade. We did carry $10.5 mil in dead money for him that season and that season alone. However that should not have stopped the Texans from addressing their need at the QB position in a draft in which they had the first pick in every round, rookies are cheap now not like in the Stafford days. Us not finding a suitable replacement for Schuab after 2013 is purely on the GM and HC for not taking a chance.

 

[TexansBull]

Inside information so take it as you will (we have a Kubiak family member on the MB. I've been in their living room. He's a friend.), the contract was on Rick. Kubiak was wait and see. Now he did think Schaub still gave the best chance to win.

They didn’t let you use their bathroom? Were you restricted to the living the room only? Could you go into the kitchen?

 

[beerlover]

Sharpe is on the practice squad right? Gaine is covering bases, but needs to be more assertive (which he could be behind scenes). Waived by Raiders, did not make practice squad, even though eligible. Viewed as RT prospect.

After looking through multiple teams practice squads, its apparent, Gaine will have to make a trade, 6th or 7th rd. pick, to address loss of Henderson. I'm ok with that if he can manage a deal, unfortunately Texans aren't the only team deficit @ offensive tackle position, which explains why Kendall Lamm is still on this roster.

 

[TheKDog]

Generally when you trade a player, the contract is traded too thats why its preferred to try to find a trade partner instead of just cutting a player. We extended him in 2012, he played poorly in 2013 and we traded him that offseason. He re-worked his contract for the raiders to help facilitate the trade. We did carry $10.5 mil in dead money for him that season and that season alone. However that should not have stopped the Texans from addressing their need at the QB position in a draft in which they had the first pick in every round, rookies are cheap now not like in the Stafford days. Us not finding a suitable replacement for Schuab after 2013 is purely on the GM and HC for not taking a chance.

So from 2012-14 we were carrying an exta bad contract (of at least $10+, probably more the first 2 years) for injured Schaub due to Rick trying to get more power.

You're right they could have still drafted a QB. But resources are limited with the salary cap, and that money for the Schaub contract could have gone to other positions. One of the things about guys like Belichick and smart franchises is they have very few bad contracts on the books so that they can keep their best players while also having good depth.

Unfortunately the O'Brien regime has committed an even bigger error: trading away a lot of picks, sometimes for no good reason (packaging a 2nd rounder to get rid of Osweiler).

It's no wonder we're scouring the waiver wire for multiple positions after Week 1.

 

[steelbtexan]

So from 2012-14 we were carrying an exta bad contract (of at least $10+, probably more the first 2 years) for injured Schaub due to Rick trying to get more power.

You're right they could have still drafted a QB. But resources are limited with the salary cap, and that money for the Schaub contract could have gone to other positions. One of the things about guys like Belichick and smart franchises is they have very few bad contracts on the books so that they can keep their best players while also having good depth.

Unfortunately the O'Brien regime has committed an even bigger error: trading away a lot of picks, sometimes for no good reason (packaging a 2nd rounder to get rid of Osweiler).

It's no wonder we're scouring the waiver wire for multiple positions after Week 1.

I would say it was under the Smith regime since he was the one that's no longer here.

 

[steelbtexan]

Ok so at the beginning when he was rebuilding, not 5 years in.

IMO this is a direct result of trading away so many picks. Drafts are a crapshoot and youll have busts, but trading picks means you won't have a shot at all

This is the 1st yr the GM/HC have been on the same page. So 5 yrs really doesn't apply.

 

[Shishkabob]

So from 2012-14 we were carrying an exta bad contract (of at least $10+, probably more the first 2 years) for injured Schaub due to Rick trying to get more power.

You're right they could have still drafted a QB. But resources are limited with the salary cap, and that money for the Schaub contract could have gone to other positions. One of the things about guys like Belichick and smart franchises is they have very few bad contracts on the books so that they can keep their best players while also having good depth.

Unfortunately the O'Brien regime has committed an even bigger error: trading away a lot of picks, sometimes for no good reason (packaging a 2nd rounder to get rid of Osweiler).

It's no wonder we're scouring the waiver wire for multiple positions after Week 1.

well 2012 he was still good, he didn't implode until 2013 which the team obviously wasn't expecting, so the only year they carried part of a bad contract unnecessarily I would say is 2014, but you are right that $10.5 million could have been used elsewhere. It was a miscalculation by RS who I think was trying to save money in the long run by extending Schuab instead of letting him hit free agency that off season.

But yea trading up for picks that didn't workout like Nix, and Strong has hurt this team. Each one essentially is 2 wasted draft picks

 

[infantrycak]

They didn’t let you use their bathroom? Were you restricted to the living the room only? Could you go into the kitchen?

I peed in his back yard one time. Does that suffice? We were making hootch at the time.

 

[TheKDog]

This is the 1st yr the GM/HC have been on the same page. So 5 yrs really doesn't apply.

That's true, but O'Brien was really excited for the trade up for Strong and using a pick to get rid of Osweiler. May have been his ideas. They didn't trade up much during the Kubiak years.

At least Gaine doesn't seem to like trading up. He made comments about that.

 

[TexansBull]

That's true, but O'Brien was really excited for the trade up for Strong and using a pick to get rid of Osweiler. May have been his ideas. They didn't trade up much during the Kubiak years.

At least Gaine doesn't seem to like trading up. He made comments about that.

I don’t think we will know until he leaves.

He may have been just being professional and the best teammate he could be.

 

[steelbtexan]

That's true, but O'Brien was really excited for the trade up for Strong and using a pick to get rid of Osweiler. May have been his ideas. They didn't trade up much during the Kubiak years.

At least Gaine doesn't seem to like trading up. He made comments about that.

I believe that (I have no proof) that Smith intended to take Jimmy G at the top of the 3rd rd and Belichick (Being the witch that he is) traded in front of Ricky to get Jimmy G. After that Ricky made a vow to not let that happen again, so you had the mistakes of Nix/Strong and the trading up for WFV so that Ricky got his man. I also believe he traded up for McKinney.

We really dont know what Gaine is going to do because he hasn't had a draft with a full compliment of draft choices. But if a franchise LT like Williams falls to say #8 and the Texans are picking 18th then I would hope he would trade up.

 

[TheKDog]

I believe that (I have no proof) that Smith intended to take Jimmy G at the top of the 3rd rd and Belichick (Being the witch that he is) traded in front of Ricky to get Jimmy G. After that Ricky made a vow to not let that happen again, so you had the mistakes of Nix/Strong and the trading up for WFV so that Ricky got his man. I also believe he traded up for McKinney.

We really dont know what Gaine is going to do because he hasn't had a draft with a full compliment of draft choices. But if a franchise LT like Williams falls to say #8 and the Texans are picking 18th then I would hope he would trade up.

Thats possible. I remember laughing when Rick traded up a single spot twice.

 

[Shishkabob]

I believe that (I have no proof) that Smith intended to take Jimmy G at the top of the 3rd rd and Belichick (Being the witch that he is) traded in front of Ricky to get Jimmy G. After that Ricky made a vow to not let that happen again, so you had the mistakes of Nix/Strong and the trading up for WFV so that Ricky got his man. I also believe he traded up for McKinney.

We really dont know what Gaine is going to do because he hasn't had a draft with a full compliment of draft choices. But if a franchise LT like Williams falls to say #8 and the Texans are picking 18th then I would hope he would trade up.

Hopefully the OL depth in this draft causes a good tackle to fall to where the Texans are picking. From what i've read this is suppose to be the best lineman draft in recent years

 

[Shishkabob]

Thats possible. I remember laughing when Rick traded up a single spot twice.

In Rick's defense the Fuller pick has worked out better than the other receivers in that draft. Coleman has been cut by 2 teams now, Docston is less durable than Fuller, and Treadwell has been invisible

 

[beerlover]

In Rick's defense the Fuller pick has worked out better than the other receivers in that draft. Coleman has been cut by 2 teams now, Docston is less durable than Fuller, and Treadwell has been invisible

What is Fullers snap count? How many targets vs completions? Pair him with Braxton, they were supposed to be a duo. Very little in return for draft selections spent. Not worried about the other guys unless they where targeted by Texans. What makes matters worse is all the other draft picks trying to address WR, not named Andre or DeAndre. No need to regurgitate those

 

[TheKDog]

In Rick's defense the Fuller pick has worked out better than the other receivers in that draft. Coleman has been cut by 2 teams now, Docston is less durable than Fuller, and Treadwell has been invisible

Agreed, I think Fuller will be really good if he can stay healthy

 

[Shishkabob]

What is Fullers snap count? How many targets vs completions? Pair him with Braxton, they were supposed to be a duo. Very little in return for draft selections spent. Not worried about the other guys unless they where targeted by Texans. What makes matters worse is all the other draft picks trying to address WR, not named Andre or DeAndre. No need to regurgitate those

I mean it was pretty well known the Texans were going for a receiver to pair up with DeAndre, not saying the Texans won the trade by any means. But so far Fuller has been better than the options the Texans would have been left with had they let Washington take Fuller and chose between Docston or Treadwell.

I personally wanted Docston there, I thought he was the better receiver, had better hands, had a more durable frame, etc., but yea Rick as has been noted to by everyone failed to find good talent outside of his top picks

 

[IDEXAN]

Sharpe can only play LT because of some kind of eye problem.

I kinda think he can become like another Trent Brown. He's a decent depth piece at worst.

“I’m really excited about David Sharpe,” Cable said about who has jumped out to him so far during media availability Thursday. “You look at him, and you think, ‘My God, there’s a right tackle that might play in this league for 10 years if he ever captures it.
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I dunno 'bout that SteelB because look like his line coach over in Oakland says he is a RT period. He didn't even mention LT.

 

[badboy]

I peed in his back yard one time. Does that suffice? We were making hootch at the time.

Hope you didn't get confused about which was which...

 

[DocBar]

So from 2012-14 we were carrying an exta bad contract (of at least $10+, probably more the first 2 years) for injured Schaub due to Rick trying to get more power.

You're right they could have still drafted a QB. But resources are limited with the salary cap, and that money for the Schaub contract could have gone to other positions. One of the things about guys like Belichick and smart franchises is they have very few bad contracts on the books so that they can keep their best players while also having good depth.

Unfortunately the O'Brien regime has committed an even bigger error: trading away a lot of picks, sometimes for no good reason (packaging a 2nd rounder to get rid of Osweiler).

It's no wonder we're scouring the waiver wire for multiple positions after Week 1.

When did OB become in charge of trades and draft picks? That would've been Rick Smith. I have plenty of faults to blame on OB, but chicken shiot GM'ing isn't one of them. That's squarely on Smith. What are the " a lot of picks" you speak of? They swapped 2017 1st round picks and a 2018 1st round pick for DW4. Excellent move. The traded a 2018 2nd round pick to move OZ. Still pissed about that. So where are these "lots" of draft picks?

 

[TheKDog]

Fuller's st

When did OB become in charge of trades and draft picks? That would've been Rick Smith. I have plenty of faults to blame on OB, but chicken shiot GM'ing isn't one of them. That's squarely on Smith. What are the " a lot of picks" you speak of? They swapped 2017 1st round picks and a 2018 1st round pick for DW4. Excellent move. The traded a 2018 2nd round pick to move OZ. Still pissed about that. So where are these "lots" of draft picks?

5 picks for Nix and Strong were the big two.
Then the OZ trade to save $16 mil they didn't use or course.

There were smaller ones like an extra pick for McKinney thar looks good. I'll have to go back later and look at all of them since O'Brien got here

 

[DocBar]

Fuller's st


5 picks for Nix and Strong were the big two.
Then the OZ trade to save $16 mil they didn't use or course.

There were smaller ones like an extra pick for McKinney thar looks good. I'll have to go back later and look at all of them since O'Brien got here

Those are on OB? Smith was GM. Show some evidence OB wanted those picks. You don't like OB and are grasping at unnecessary straws. OB screws up enough in the coaching dept. to justify dismissal.

 

[Shishkabob]

Those are on OB? Smith was GM. Show some evidence OB wanted those picks. You don't like OB and are grasping at unnecessary straws. OB screws up enough in the coaching dept. to justify dismissal.

idk if OB was involved in drafting Nix, but it was at the very least Smith trying to draft a NT to fit the system OB brought over with RAC.

Strong just seemed like an oh **** what do I do now that the Seahawks took Lockett right in front of us, and the colts had already drafted dorsett when the texans were going to trade up for him