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State of the O-line

IIRC D played in 11 games 2017 and started the last three with 143 snaps. He played mostly at super OT on right side with a few at RT. He played in less than 47% of snaps in all but last two games. He had less than seven snaps in five games with zero of those at LT. In 2017 he had 4 accepted penalties for 28 yards. https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/D/DaveJu00/penalties

I posted this somewhere but is a decent read: https://www.battleredblog.com/2018/2/22/17026600/the-film-room-julien-davenport

2018 one game starts LT and in first quarter moved to right tackle where he never played a snap in college. I don't remember seeing him play right tackle in preseason games. Lamm was inactive

I’m also curious to see if the Texans stick with the personnel they employed after Henderson went down, as I was surprised that they moved Julien Davenport from left tackle to right tackle to insert Martinas Rankin on the left side; I would have figured they’d leave Davenport on the left side and slide Rankin into the right tackle spot vacated by Henderson
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https://www.battleredblog.com/houst...henderson-suffers-broken-ankle-out-for-season

*Roderick Johnson promoted to roster. https://texanswire.usatoday.com/2018/09/11/texans-ot-roderick-johnson-53-man-roster/
 
steelbtexan said:
I don't care what the other 32 GM's do. I also think the Kelly pick should have been used on Harrison.

No asinine rant here. I just want the most talented players on the team.

McNair did let Gaine sign Henderson. I was hoping he had turned over a new leaf. The jury is still out on that. Actually it's not.

A 7tg Rd pick for a starting LT seems like great value to me. Wouldn't you agree?
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your whole argument is he is a character concern so McNair wouldn't let gaine get him, when you have ZERO evidence if that. All we know is he is highly talented player, who had issues both on and off the field and no one making picks for an NFL team though he was draft able?

so critizice every team all you want, and so far we dont know if he is even going to be a mediocre starting left tackle, he is a starting left tackle who graded out as one of the worst in week 1, and he plays on an awful offensive line that gave up 7 sacks. calm down because the player you liked is starting for the Browns because they had no one else.

Trust me with the tantrums you throw on here with our current line, if we went into the season with an undrafted rookie protecting watsons blindside you would still be bitching about it
 
No tantrums, we're all adults and your style of posting is to denegrden me. But I have big shouldders so pile on.

The reason Isay McNair won't let Gaine sign a guy like Harrison is because he never has before. Henderson not withstanding. There's a 15 year track record.

Instead of using words like asinine or tantrum, nethier which is true, I just want the most talented guys on the team. Or let me put it to you this way, would you rather have Harrison on the team right now, or would you rather have Kelly and Johnson?

Brw, Harrison didn't have on the field issues, he did hurt his toe in TC and missed quite a bit of time, so he should get better.

After 16 years you would think the Texans would go about trying to acquire talent differently.

Last Sunday should tell you how far McNair is away from bringing a championship to this city and despite your disparimging comments about me, that's all I really care about.

Until they change i can't see SB winner in this city anytime soon.
 
steelbtexan said:
No tantrums, we're all adults and your style of posting is to denegrden me. But I have big shouldders so pile on.

The reason Isay McNair won't let Gaine sign a guy like Harrison is because he never has before. Henderson not withstanding. There's a 15 year track record.

Instead of using words like asinine or tantrum, nethier which is true, I just want the most talented guys on the team. Or let me put it to you this way, would you rather have Harrison on the team right now, or would you rather have Kelly and Johnson?

Brw, Harrison didn't have on the field issues, he did hurt his toe in TC and missed quite a bit of time, so he should get better.

After 16 years you would think the Texans would go about trying to acquire talent differently.

Last Sunday should tell you how far McNair is away from bringing a championship to this city and despite your disparimging comments about me, that's all I really care about.

Until they change i can't see SB winner in this city anytime soon.
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the texans have signed and drafted players who have been popped with pot, that isnt an issue with McNair as he has shown in the past. It's probably has more to do with the fact OB and Gaine want players who love football, his love for football is easy to question since he let himself fail multiple drug tests.

Would I want a young tackle with upside over a CB I've never seen? sure but hind sight is 20/20. What if Kelly never got hurt and was a solid corner for us which we desperately need then what? Again let's give rookies some time before we start acting like they are bad/good. So far Harrison hasnt been good, he has the raw talent to improve but a lot of players have had raw talent and never did anything with it.
 
Which players have they drafted that have smoked pot other than oKoye? A dude that didn't love football. That had nothing to do with pot smoking.

Like I said they have to go about acquiring the most talented guys.

So far in 16 yrs they go for feel good stories over talent.
 
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After Seantrel Henderson’s injury, both Martinas Rankin and Julién Davenport struggled. According to PFF, Davenport ranked 58th of 69 tackles and Rankin was 61st. Davenport allowed nine pressures and two sacks.
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Not sure why BOB moved Davenport to RT when Henderson went down. Thought he was playing well at LT. Maybe they feel Rankin is better suited at LT but I don't know. I do know I saw Rankin give up a sack. Didn't see Davenport give up a sack so they must have been later in the game when I couldn't watch as much (was getting ready for work). I still think they should leave Davenport at LT and put Rankin at RT. Davenport looks to have better length for LT and probably better feet too. Rankin looks to have a better build for RT. JMO.
 
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Not sure why BOB moved Davenport to RT when Henderson went down. Thought he was playing well at LT. Maybe they feel Rankin is better suited at LT but I don't know. I do know I saw Rankin give up a sack. Didn't see Davenport give up a sack so they must have been later in the game when I couldn't watch as much (was getting ready for work). I still think they should leave Davenport at LT and put Rankin at RT. Davenport looks to have better length for LT and probably better feet too. Rankin looks to have a better build for RT. JMO.
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Rankin played LT in college and is used to LT. He didn't have a TC due to having foot surgery. Combine that with the foot that was injured is under more stress playing RT making the chance of re-injury greater and playing Rankin where he's most comfortable due to lack of practice time and I can see why they moved Big D to RT. Plus Big D getting driven back into Watson who barely escaped injury and Big D's man falling into Henderson breaking Henderson's ankle probably didn't inspire much confidence in Big D's ability to protect Watson's blindside.
 
To ID,

Harrison is from Port Arthur. He went to UT, Mack said he was the most athletically gifted OL he had ever coached. Mack really liked the guy personally even though he got popped on a drug test for weed. The reason he left UT according to my UT graduate brother is he flunked out of school.

He ended up at West Ga. where he didn't get into any more trouble with weed.
 
Shishkabob said:
I mean its kind of true, we have seen multiple doctors now say not to expect Watson to jump out and be his old self right away. Its nothing negative, but you still aren't fully recovered within less than a year of an ACL tear. Go back to his Clemson days, and he wasn't his old self after coming off an ACL tear until about 6 games in. Its not saying he can't play well before then, but maybe don't expect 300+ pass yards, 50+ rush yards, and 4 tds every game
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Watson looked pretty much like himself. His ACL was repaired and he came out and had some decent runs while challenging a few would be tacklers. So his repaired ACL didn't dampen his ability to take off and run.

Watson didn't have shoulder surgery but his throws lacked accuracy and timing.....not enough Pre Season snaps with his receivers. When throws tend to sail, like some his passes did on Sunday, that can also be attributed to not planting his left foot properly and driving through the throw....that might also be attributed to thinking about another hit to the knee. This to could be the lack of game time time snaps during the Pre Season.

This offense could look completely different after their extended (3 Games) Pre Season is completed and.....William Fuller is back at WR2 and O'Brien has figured out how to incorporate Aikens and Watson as the TE's. Griffin needs to be the emergency TE in the event O'Brien has created a play that involves a 3 TE Set.
 
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OptimisticTexan said:
Watson looked pretty much like himself. His ACL was repaired and he came out and had some decent runs while challenging a few would be tacklers. So his repaired ACL didn't damped his ability to take off and run.

Watson didn't have should surgery but his throws lacked accuracy and timing.....not enough Pre Season snaps with his receivers. When throws tend to sail, like some his passes did on Sunday, that can also be contributed to not planting his left foot properly and driving through the throw....that might be attributed to thinking about another hit to the knee. This to could be the lack of game time time snaps during the Pre Season.

This offense could look completely different after their extended (3 Games) Pre Season is completed and.....William Fuller is back at WR2 and O'Brien has figured out how to incorporate Aikens and Watson as the TE's. Griffin needs to be the emergency TE in the event O'Brien has created a play that involves a 3 TE Set.
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Great observation. I think he was deep into his head. Throughout OTAS, mini camp and preseason it was driven into his head to not abandon the pocket. Bill Obrien didn't want him to utilize his legs. With that on his mind he over thought and 2nd quess himself.
 
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steelbtexan said:
Which players have they drafted that have smoked pot other than oKoye? A dude that didn't love football. That had nothing to do with pot smoking.

Like I said they have to go about acquiring the most talented guys.

So far in 16 yrs they go for feel good stories over talent.
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the texans have had players who have been busted with pot and ped, I'm not going to comb through 16 years of roster for you.

But how do you rationalize McNair saying to Gaine it's ok to sign one player who smoked pot, but then forbid him to sign another one who had the same issue?

If this guy was really that good in college whether he got busted for smoking pot or not, he would have been drafted somewhere. Teams are in dire need for good lineman, trust me a little bit of sticky icky isnt preventing them for going after someone they feel can help. He played with poor technique, because he was big and could over power players in D2.

I'm sure if he turns into a good player which has still yet to be determined on any of these guys, you will have 31 teams kicking themselves, and one John Dorsey saying "man we got lucky" because expecting an undrafted, or late round player to become a franchise left tackle is just that, luck.
 
OptimisticTexan said:
Watson looked pretty much like himself. His ACL was repaired and he came out and had some decent runs while challenging a few would be tacklers. So his repaired ACL didn't dampen his ability to take off and run.

Watson didn't have shoulder surgery but his throws lacked accuracy and timing.....not enough Pre Season snaps with his receivers. When throws tend to sail, like some his passes did on Sunday, that can also be attributed to not planting his left foot properly and driving through the throw....that might also be attributed to thinking about another hit to the knee. This to could be the lack of game time time snaps during the Pre Season.

This offense could look completely different after their extended (3 Games) Pre Season is completed and.....William Fuller is back at WR2 and O'Brien has figured out how to incorporate Aikens and Watson as the TE's. Griffin needs to be the emergency TE in the event O'Brien has created a play that involves a 3 TE Set.
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I'm not saying his ACL recovery is the only factor in how he looked, all the points you mentioned are good points and are factors in his poor play. But multiple doctors have said his knee still isnt going to be 100% right now and it is a factor in his play currently.
 
Shishkabob said:
the texans have had players who have been busted with pot and ped, I'm not going to comb through 16 years of roster for you.

But how do you rationalize McNair saying to Gaine it's ok to sign one player who smoked pot, but then forbid him to sign another one who had the same issue?

If this guy was really that good in college whether he got busted for smoking pot or not, he would have been drafted somewhere. Teams are in dire need for good lineman, trust me a little bit of sticky icky isnt preventing them for going after someone they feel can help. He played with poor technique, because he was big and could over power players in D2.

I'm sure if he turns into a good player which has still yet to be determined on any of these guys, you will have 31 teams kicking themselves, and one John Dorsey saying "man we got lucky" because expecting an undrafted, or late round player to become a franchise left tackle is just that, luck.
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Who other than Jameel Cook (Who was promptly cut) and Henderson/ oKoye?

Like I said I dont care what the other 31 teams do, just give me the most talented players and I will take my chances. When you bet on talent you're more likely to get lucky and find a late rd gem. I mean is this team really going to miss Kelly? A guy who will probably wont ever start a game in the NFL.

There's a culture in the type of player the Texans have drafted under Ricky by direction of McNair (KJo over Peters for example) and I hope that McNair allows Gaine to change that culture. So far that hasn't happened. Henderson not withstanding.

Looks like the same old Texans to me, Chior boys in the draft and backup/lower level FA signings.
 
steelbtexan said:
Who other than Jameel Cook (Who was promptly cut) and Henderson/ oKoye?

Like I said I dont care what the other 31 teams do, just give me the most talented players and I will take my chances. When you bet on talent you're more likely to get lucky and find a late rd gem. I mean is this team really going to miss Kelly? A guy who will probably wont ever start a game in the NFL.

There's a culture in the type of player the Texans have drafted under Ricky by direction of McNair (KJo over Peters for example) and I hope that McNair allows Gaine to change that culture. So far that hasn't happened. Henderson not withstanding.

Looks like the same old Texans to me, Chior boys in the draft and backup/lower level FA signings.
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This is why I and others have a hard time taking you seriously. You contradict yourself so much so you can fit something into your narrative. Why would Bob make a special exemption for Henderson, you can't discount that move because it hurts your overall point. Harrison went undrafted because he had more issues than smoking pot, players get drafted every year that have been suspended for smoking, or failed their combine drug test. If Gaine and Obrien wanted him to be a Texan they would have drafted him, just like they signed Henderson. If you want to place blame for him not being on this team place the blame in the right place, I highly doubt Mcnair even knows enough about players outside of the 2nd round to forbid Gaine from drafting someone who smoked pot, much less to even know the kid got popped for smoking pot.
 
Shishkabob said:
This is why I and others have a hard time taking you seriously. You contradict yourself so much so you can fit something into your narrative. Why would Bob make a special exemption for Henderson, you can't discount that move because it hurts your overall point. Harrison went undrafted because he had more issues than smoking pot, players get drafted every year that have been suspended for smoking, or failed their combine drug test. If Gaine and Obrien wanted him to be a Texan they would have drafted him, just like they signed Henderson. If you want to place blame for him not being on this team place the blame in the right place, I highly doubt Mcnair even knows enough about players outside of the 2nd round to forbid Gaine from drafting someone who smoked pot, much less to even know the kid got popped for smoking pot.
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Fact: How many players in 16 yrs have the Texans drafted with a background like Harrison/Henderson? Nada

Gaine probably told McNair that Henderson has Chron's disease and smoked pot to help ease the pain and since Henderson had surgery to correct the issue so pot smoking wouldn't be a problem and McNair gave the OK to bring in Henderson. I know this is all speculation but it makes some sense.
 
steelbtexan said:
Fact: How many players in 16 yrs have the Texans drafted with a background like Harrison/Henderson? Nada

Gaine probably told McNair that Henderson has Chron's disease and smoked pot to help ease the pain and since Henderson had surgery to correct the issue so pot smoking wouldn't be a problem and McNair gave the OK to bring in Henderson. I know this is all speculation but it makes some sense.
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Henderson had a problem smoking in college before he had Chron's disease, thats why he fell to where he did. Again don't disregard facts to fit your narrative. It makes no sense that Mcnair would blacklist 1 player for doing something another player he let his GM sign had a past history of doing. That is just you trying to make an excuse for Gaine, because you think Gaine should have drafted the guy and he didn't. What makes more sense is Gaine and the Texans felt the same way all 32 teams did, that Harrison wasn't worth drafting. Maybe it has something to do with him being a troubled player, who played with poor technique, missed the senior bowl so he could prove himself against top level talent, showed up at the combine weighing 279 lbs, and posted poor strength numbers. Who knows maybe Gaine tried bringing him in as an UDFA, and he decided to go to Cleveland where there is no one in front of him, maybe Gaine didn't even offer him then, we will never know.

I still cannot understand your rationale into think Mcnair is fine with having one pot smoking OT, but then forbid Gaine to spend an ever so valuable 7th round pick on one. Your logic is flawed here
 
Shishkabob said:
Henderson had a problem smoking in college before he had Chron's disease, thats why he fell to where he did. Again don't disregard facts to fit your narrative. It makes no sense that Mcnair would blacklist 1 player for doing something another player he let his GM sign had a past history of doing. That is just you trying to make an excuse for Gaine, because you think Gaine should have drafted the guy and he didn't. What makes more sense is Gaine and the Texans felt the same way all 32 teams did, that Harrison wasn't worth drafting. Maybe it has something to do with him being a troubled player, who played with poor technique, missed the senior bowl so he could prove himself against top level talent, showed up at the combine weighing 279 lbs, and posted poor strength numbers. Who knows maybe Gaine tried bringing him in as an UDFA, and he decided to go to Cleveland where there is no one in front of him, maybe Gaine didn't even offer him then, we will never know.

I still cannot understand your rationale into think Mcnair is fine with having one pot smoking OT, but then forbid Gaine to spend an ever so valuable 7th round pick on one. Your logic is flawed here
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I'm not going to waste anymore time on this, our opinions aren't going to change. But please look at the last 16 yrs for context of what I'm talking about in regards to acquiring player and tell me there's not an organizational philosophy.

BTw, I'm not making excuses for anybody and said the same thing when Ricky was here. # If the Texans dont go about acquiring players differently (Not just pot smokers but also how they acquire FA's) they will never win anything significant.
 
steelbtexan said:
I'm not going to waste anymore time on this, our opinions aren't going to change. But please look at the last 16 yrs for context of what I'm talking about in regards to acquiring player and tell me there's not an organizational philosophy.

BTw, I'm not making excuses for anybody and said the same thing when Ricky was here. # If the Texans dont go about acquiring players differently (Not just pot smokers but also how they acquire FA's) they will never win anything significant.
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These are your first 2 messages on the subject, 1 clearly blaming McNair, the other insinuating it was McNair's fault

steelbtexan said:
Yep, How quick he could process things and the fact that he smoked pot in the past were the question marks for him.

# Not Texans worthy, I bet they wish he was on the roster right about now.
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steelbtexan said:
LT, He had a couple of false starts in the 1st half and allowed a strip sack. In the 2nd half after getting over his case of nerves, he was solid. This is the Steelers we are talking about here.

These are the types of guys I was hoping McNair would start letting Gaine take a chance on after seeing the Henderson signing.

Yes he was an UDFA, guess what, so was Jason Peters.
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Fact is the Texans have gone about acquiring players differently since Gaine took over. This offseason we signed 3 guys who have been suspended in the NFL or college for drug related violations (Henderson, Colvin, Mathieu). You will ignore those 3 signings, and reflect on the one rookie no one thought was good enough to draft and go "Look guys nothings changed, because that damn Bob McNair" Things have changed, you have to give it more than 1 offseason to reflect those changes, and more than one undrafted rookie who played worse than our 2 young tackles in his first game
 
Shishkabob said:
These are your first 2 messages on the subject, 1 clearly blaming McNair, the other insinuating it was McNair's fault





Fact is the Texans have gone about acquiring players differently since Gaine took over. This offseason we signed 3 guys who have been suspended in the NFL or college for drug related violations (Henderson, Colvin, Mathieu). You will ignore those 3 signings, and reflect on the one rookie no one thought was good enough to draft and go "Look guys nothings changed, because that damn Bob McNair" Things have changed, you have to give it more than 1 offseason to reflect those changes, and more than one undrafted rookie who played worse than our 2 young tackles in his first game
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Don't bother thing to use logic or facts with Steelb. Someone who is absolutely sure they have it all nailed down will not bend nor are they able to learn. I have come to the belief that Steelb may very well just be a troll who is leading folks around by their noses whether it is regarding players or politics. He just keeps ignoring the facts when presented and just posts the same old drivel, perhaps packaged slightly differently.
 
The problem with this O-Line is lack of depth for a position where injury’s are common place. If group of Davenport, Kelemente, Martin, Fulton and Rankin can stay healthy? That would be quite possibly the most important development this season towards success. One more goes out, short of Martin cause you still got Manz, odds are another disappointing season. Three veteran FA additions this past off season, Henderson (out) Fulton and Kelemente starting. One second year developmental 4th rd. selection, Julie'n Davenport and rookie 3rd rd. selection Martinas Rankin holding outside tackle duties. Scary, but it will be a great opportunity and learning experience putting them on a fast track for the future. Other than Center, OL positions health pose a huge gamble/risk. Gaine I'm sure is out there weighing these risks with some salary cap room available to shore up depth if not improve a starting position near term.

Next years NFL draft I would expect Texans to Gaine two mid to high OL picks. Still on his honeymoon until then! We'll all be watching :fans:
 
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Shishkabob said:
These are your first 2 messages on the subject, 1 clearly blaming McNair, the other insinuating it was McNair's fault





Fact is the Texans have gone about acquiring players differently since Gaine took over. This offseason we signed 3 guys who have been suspended in the NFL or college for drug related violations (Henderson, Colvin, Mathieu). You will ignore those 3 signings, and reflect on the one rookie no one thought was good enough to draft and go "Look guys nothings changed, because that damn Bob McNair" Things have changed, you have to give it more than 1 offseason to reflect those changes, and more than one undrafted rookie who played worse than our 2 young tackles in his first game
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Maybe I wasn't clear, how many players have the Texans drafted that have gotten caught smoking pot in college? 1, oKoye

How many players have the Texans signed that have gotten busted at the combine? 1, oKoye

How many players have the Texans signed in FA that have been in the NFL's testing program? 1 Henderson

I didn't know Colvin has been in the NFL testing program. Care to provide a link?

Mateiu has been clean since he joined the NFL, if you want to count him go ahead but he's been a model citizen since joining the NFL.

This is over a 16 yr period mind you. (3 regimes) That's an organizational philosophy that comes down from the top.
 
BOBdaFRAUD said:
Henderson going down first game. Man can it be more unfortunate than this. We are cursed somehow.
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This is what happens when you depend on a guy like Davenport to play LT. His man fell into Henderson on 1 of the 9 pressures Davenport allowed in that game. They were just lucky Watson didn't get hurt on that play too, it was a close call.
 
beerlover said:
The problem with this O-Line is lack of depth for a position were injury is common place. If group of Davenport, Kelemente, Martin, Fulton and Rankin can stay healthy? That would be quite possibly the most important development this season towards success. One more goes out, short of Martin cause you still got Manz, odds are another disappointing season. Three veteran FA additions this past off season, Henderson (out) Fulton and Kelemente starting. One second year developmental 4th rd. selection, Julie'n Davenport and rookie 3rd rd. selection Martinas Rankin holding outside tackle duties. Scary, but it will be a great opportunity and learning experience putting them on a fast track for the future. Other than Center, OL positions health pose a huge gamble/risk. Gaine I'm sure is how there weighing these risks with some salary cap room available to shore up depth if not improve a starting position near term.

Next years NFL draft I would expect Texans Gaine to add two mid to high OL picks. Still on his honeymoon until then! We'll all be watching :fans:
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Yep, Gaine chose to risk Watson's health this yr and it almost caught up to him in the 1st game of the yr. If that guy would've fallen on Watson instead of Henderson, I'm sure we would've been having a whole different discussion this morning.

If Watson gets hurt again this yr do you spend another 1st on another QB?
 
edo783 said:
Don't bother thing to use logic or facts with Steelb. Someone who is absolutely sure they have it all nailed down will not bend nor are they able to learn. I have come to the belief that Steelb may very well just be a troll who is leading folks around by their noses whether it is regarding players or politics. He just keeps ignoring the facts when presented and just posts the same old drivel, perhaps packaged slightly differently.
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I'm able to learn, the Texans aren't the ones able to learn, this is the Carr thing all over again if Watson gets hurt again and Watson narrowly escaped getting hurt last Sunday.

Also, lets keep the politics stuff in the NSF and not let our opinions on different subjects filter over into other forums. Lucky/Toronto etc... are very good at keeping these separated and I hope you can do the same. But let me tell you I'm having the best yr business wise this yr than I've had in the last decade. So I like the current state of how things are currently going with a more business friendly admin.
 
edo783 said:
Don't bother thing to use logic or facts with Steelb. Someone who is absolutely sure they have it all nailed down will not bend nor are they able to learn. I have come to the belief that Steelb may very well just be a troll who is leading folks around by their noses whether it is regarding players or politics. He just keeps ignoring the facts when presented and just posts the same old drivel, perhaps packaged slightly differently.
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steelbtexan said:
Maybe I wasn't clear, how many players have the Texans drafted that have gotten caught smoking pot in college? 1, oKoye

How many players have the Texans signed that have gotten busted at the combine? 1, oKoye

How many players have the Texans signed in FA that have been in the NFL's testing program? 1 Henderson

I didn't know Colvin has been in the NFL testing program. Care to provide a link?

Mateiu has been clean since he joined the NFL, if you want to count him go ahead but he's been a model citizen since joining the NFL.

This is over a 16 yr period mind you. (3 regimes) That's an organizational philosophy that comes down from the top.
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yea I'm starting to realize why everyone on this board has the same opinion of you. People present you with actual facts, and you want to ignore or dismiss them. I am not your google, Okoye isn't the only player in Texans history to have a drug issue and be drafted, signed, or remain on the team. Colvin has been suspended 4 games for a PED violation, not hard to look that up is it? You claim to want the texans to change how they aquire players, and this off season they have, you are just butt hurt because they didn't sign your guy yet again. Have fun choosing to live in ignorance
 
steelbtexan said:
I'm able to learn, the Texans aren't the ones able to learn, this is the Carr thing all over again if Watson gets hurt again and Watson narrowly escaped getting hurt last Sunday.

Also, lets keep the politics stuff in the NSF and not let our opinions on different subjects filter over into other forums. Lucky/Toronto etc... are very good at keeping these separated and I hope you can do the same. But let me tell you I'm having the best yr business wise this yr than I've had in the last decade. So I like the current state of how things are currently going with a more business friendly admin.
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steelb "please keep politics in the NSF, but here let me give my opinion on politics to counter your totally non political post"
 
steelbtexan said:
Yep, Gaine chose to risk Watson's health this yr and it almost caught up to him in the 1st game of the yr. If that guy would've fallen on Watson instead of Henderson, I'm sure we would've been having a whole different discussion this morning.

If Watson gets hurt again this yr do you spend another 1st on another QB?
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He did fall on the back of Watson's legs that play and then rolled into Henderson
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
It would be useless to try to discuss the first part of your post with you, so I'll go to the 2nd part. Brown was owned by Chubb and Von Miller.
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Damn I'd sure like to have seen the Broncos & Seahawks instead of Dallas-Caroliina or the KC game where apparently MaHomes had an excellent opening game.
You must have the NFL TV-package or went to a Sports bar C&D ?
beerlover said:
The problem with this O-Line is lack of depth for a position were injury is common place. If group of Davenport, Kelemente, Martin, Fulton and Rankin can stay healthy? That would be quite possibly the most important development this season towards success. One more goes out, short of Martin cause you still got Manz, odds are another disappointing season. Three veteran FA additions this past off season, Henderson (out) Fulton and Kelemente starting. One second year developmental 4th rd. selection, Julie'n Davenport and rookie 3rd rd. selection Martinas Rankin holding outside tackle duties. Scary, but it will be a great opportunity and learning experience putting them on a fast track for the future. Other than Center, OL positions health pose a huge gamble/risk. Gaine I'm sure is how there weighing these risks with some salary cap room available to shore up depth if not improve a starting position near term.

Next years NFL draft I would expect Texans Gaine to add two mid to high OL picks. Still on his honeymoon until then! We'll all be watching :fans:
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Hey BL are speculating that Gaine may make an effort to improve the OLine sooner rather than later by way of a trade ( improve a starting position near term)
by offering to exchange a player(s) or Draft pick(s) for an offensive lineman in the near term ?
 
IDEXAN said:
Hey BL are speculating that Gaine may make an effort to improve the OLine sooner rather than later by way of a trade ( improve a starting position near term)
by offering to exchange a player(s) or Draft pick(s) for an offensive lineman in the near term ?
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Who has a good tackle on an expiring contract that they want to move for a 2nd round pick? I would gladly trade one or both of our 2nd rounders for a quality tackle.
 
IDEXAN said:
Damn I'd sure like to have seen the Broncos & Seahawks instead of Dallas-Caroliina or the KC game where apparently MaHomes had an excellent opening game.
You must have the NFL TV-package or went to a Sports bar C&D ?

Hey BL are speculating that Gaine may make an effort to improve the OLine sooner rather than later by way of a trade ( improve a starting position near term)
by offering to exchange a player(s) or Draft pick(s) for an offensive lineman in the near term ?
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Yes. It’s too important losing a starting tackle not to address position soon as possible, just like they’ve done @ CB. Without time to research, my first place to shop around the league would be someone’s practice squad that they liked and scouted.
 
Shishkabob said:
These are your first 2 messages on the subject, 1 clearly blaming McNair, the other insinuating it was McNair's fault





Fact is the Texans have gone about acquiring players differently since Gaine took over. This offseason we signed 3 guys who have been suspended in the NFL or college for drug related violations (Henderson, Colvin, Mathieu). You will ignore those 3 signings, and reflect on the one rookie no one thought was good enough to draft and go "Look guys nothings changed, because that damn Bob McNair" Things have changed, you have to give it more than 1 offseason to reflect those changes, and more than one undrafted rookie who played worse than our 2 young tackles in his first game
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Especially more than one offseason when the GM didn't have a pick until the 3rd round.
 
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Shishkabob said:
Texans signed David Sharpe OT to the practice squad. He was a 4th round pick from Oakland last year, played college at Florida
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Looked into his history more.................
When he first joined the Raiders last year, he came in poorly conditioned............and weighing 369 pounds. Cable read him the riot act..........finding out that per the CBA, he could be fined "up to $665 per pound overweight per each weighin ($20,614)............he bought himself a treadmill and went to work.

Wonder if stabilizing his weight even at 343 is going to prove a problem.
 
TheKDog said:
Another year of scouring the waiver wire and practice squad, and it's only been one week.

Doesn't seem normal. I don't remember this during the Kubiak years.
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Kubiak had a pretty good grasp on a lot of things. His biggest problem was being overly confident and stubborn about his offense.
Shishkabob said:
yea I'm starting to realize why everyone on this board has the same opinion of you. People present you with actual facts, and you want to ignore or dismiss them. I am not your google, Okoye isn't the only player in Texans history to have a drug issue and be drafted, signed, or remain on the team. Colvin has been suspended 4 games for a PED violation, not hard to look that up is it? You claim to want the texans to change how they aquire players, and this off season they have, you are just butt hurt because they didn't sign your guy yet again. Have fun choosing to live in ignorance
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Don't forget about Cushing
 
And Koobs was not going to willfully drop Schaub in the oil. Loyal til the end. Maybe he should have sold out Schaub .. went with Manning here for a few great years and who knows what would have happened. He took alot of great Texan players and coaches to Denver and won that city another ring, but it was driven by a willing owner and a competent and proactive GM. Perfect Storm .
 
Uncle Rico said:
And Koobs was not going to willfully drop Schaub in the oil. Loyal til the end. Maybe he should have sold out Schaub .. went with Manning here for a few great years and who knows what would have happened. He took alot of great Texan players and coaches to Denver and won that city another ring, but it was driven by a willing owner and a competent and proactive GM. Perfect Storm .
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I suspect it was Rick and Mcnairs call to extend Shaub after the injury based on quotes at the time
 
TheKDog said:
I suspect it was Rick and Mcnairs call to extend Shaub after the injury based on quotes at the time
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Schaub and Koobs were attached at the hip. Koobs could have said he wanted a new QB. There must have been signs of the epic QB meltdown that was about to unfold. He chose to go down with the ship. No way a HC doesn't have input over who will QB his team.
 
IMO, Kubes didn't get accurate medical info on Schaub. Kubes didn't get the intel we got about Schaub's Lisfranc break and subsequent issues.
 
Schaub, what could have been that one year when fat Albert landed on his foot. Dude was perfect for kubes and the team was stocked that year. That Baltimore loss was probably my favorite Texan game. Oh well.
 
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