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2018 TRAINING CAMP

TheKDog said:
@AaronWilson_NFL: Texans' DL coach on Jadeveon Clowney: 'Very limited, but looks great' https://t.co/lYATTAJcUS via @HoustonChron
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Still virtually nothing on offensive line players except for that little blurb about Henderson being compeititve with JJ Watt in some 1-on-1 drills.
We may just have to wait and see for ourselves in the KC game next week ?
 
There are no objective observations of the O-line to be found, but there is some subjective confidence from Devlin and Davenport. It may not be much, but it's better than the silence of self-doubt.

Overhauled O-line trying to forge winning dynamic

Devlin:

"I’m very pleased with how everyone’s working, working hard and well together and trying to learn our system.”
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Davenport:

"We work on everything we can to become better and be possibly one of the best O-lines in the NFL."

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“I would say we have real good chemistry right now and it’s only getting better,” Davenport said. “We all kind of have a real good group where we all mesh together.”
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"It is a good diverse group." Bill O’Brien on the WR group, he also mentions he likes Sammie Coates size on the outside. #Texans

— patrick (@PatDStat) August 3, 2018


Keke Coutee sounds like he will not be available for the first preseason game. Not considered a serious injury but need time to heal. #Texans

— patrick (@PatDStat) August 3, 2018
 
@sarahbarshop: Rookie receiver Keke Coutee has missed a few practices with an injury that Bill O’Brien said is not serious. He is not expected to return before the preseason opener in Kansas City.
 
TheKDog said:
@sarahbarshop: Rookie receiver Keke Coutee has missed a few practices with an injury that Bill O’Brien said is not serious. He is not expected to return before the preseason opener in Kansas City.
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I was told that Coutee was seen icing both of his knees after the Texans 1st padded practice of TC. He then missed several practice days. Suspect his hamstring is a compensatory injury.
 
TheKDog said:
@sarahbarshop: Rookie receiver Keke Coutee has missed a few practices with an injury that Bill O’Brien said is not serious. He is not expected to return before the preseason opener in Kansas City.
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I'd be surprised if he didn't at least miss a couple of weeks. Especially for any hamstring that occurs prior to the regular season, a conservative approach to return should be taken. Whether that occurs is to be seen.
 
Coutee has a strained hamstring and will be out for a few weeks, Aaron Wilson of the Houston Chronicle reports.

While the injury doesn't sound too serious, it could still be a significant setback for Coutee, who is expected to compete for the No. 3 receiver job with Bruce Ellington and Braxton Miller. The rookie fourth-round pick now figures to miss a sizable portion of training camp and at least one or two preseason games.
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https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cb...ns-keke-coutee-out-with-hamstring-strain/amp/

Oh well, he'll still have 2 games to show out and this is a huge opportunity for Miller that he better take advantage of or he might be off the team.
 
Carr Bombed said:
Just at first glance what intrigues me is the TE battle.. I think we really might've found something with this Jordan Thomas kid, I can't wait to see him in live action. Stephen Anderson might as well keep his bags packed.
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I think Thomas and Akins are gonna push both Griffin and Anderson
 
Texansballer74 said:
Ouch, Coutee was having a good camp
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I was very excited about Coutee as our first potential real slot receiver. With the reports from TC that he must work on his routes, along with apparent durability questions, my enthusiasm has been attenuated......especially since in college, Coutee was primarily sent only on "go routes" in an Air Raid offense.
 
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Ryan Griffin should be very worried.
I like that defense...on paper they’re excellent.

Who will get redshirted this year?
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
I was very excited about Coutee as our first potential real slot receiver. With the reports from TC that he must work on his routes, along with apparent durability questions, my enthusiasm has been attenuate......especially since in college, Coutee was primarily sent only on "go routes" in an Air Raid offense.
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I didn't hear anything about him having to work on his route running, I heard that he needed to learn to recognize NFL coverage, but what rookie WR doesn't?
 
Carr Bombed said:
I didn't hear anything about him having to work on his route running, I heard that he needed to learn to recognize NFL coverage, but what rookie WR doesn't?
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Good route running depends on recognizing coverage. A WR that has difficulty recognizing coverage will always have difficulty with his routes. This detailed and generously video-illustrated article on the subject emphasizes just that.:

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WR Play: The Art of Route Running

Clemson Head Football Coach, Dabo Swinney, once said that wide receiver was the worst coached position in all of football. This is because of how technical the position can be, yet how little coached some receivers are. Although route running isn’t the only component of WR Play, I believe it is the aspect that is most technical and should be coached the most. There is an art to route running, great receivers are intentional with their technique throughout the entirety of the route. This article will aim at creating a system for route running that will create a common language between coaches and players and help walk coaches and receivers through route running versus different defensive techniques. There are plenty of different terms out there for the techniques discussed in this article, but the important thing is that they are defined by the coach so that the players and coaches are operating under the same language.

We will breakdown route running into 4 phases:

  1. Stance
  2. Release/Start
  3. Stem
  4. Breakpoint
First of all, the receiver must understand the coverage and defender they are attacking. The receiver must always have a plan of attack that will be determined by the route and the defender that they are attacking. We will start by defining 5 different types of defenders:

  • Press
    • Quick-Jam
  • Soft-Press
  • Squat Defender
  • Off Defender
  • Bail Defender

Receivers must understand how to recognize these techniques because that will determine how each route is run. Even though the route might be the same, it will always be ran slightly different depending upon the defensive coverage. Once in season, understanding the opponent’s defensive tendencies and coverages will give the players a better idea of the technique to expect out of the defender they are attacking; this is why film study is critical to success.
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CloakNNNdagger said:
Good route running depends on recognizing coverage. A WR that has difficulty recognizing coverage will always have difficulty with his routes. This detailed and generously video-illustrated article on the subject emphasizes just that.:

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WR Play: The Art of Route Running

Clemson Head Football Coach, Dabo Swinney, once said that wide receiver was the worst coached position in all of football. This is because of how technical the position can be, yet how little coached some receivers are. Although route running isn’t the only component of WR Play, I believe it is the aspect that is most technical and should be coached the most. There is an art to route running, great receivers are intentional with their technique throughout the entirety of the route. This article will aim at creating a system for route running that will create a common language between coaches and players and help walk coaches and receivers through route running versus different defensive techniques. There are plenty of different terms out there for the techniques discussed in this article, but the important thing is that they are defined by the coach so that the players and coaches are operating under the same language.

We will breakdown route running into 4 phases:

  1. Stance
  2. Release/Start
  3. Stem
  4. Breakpoint
First of all, the receiver must understand the coverage and defender they are attacking. The receiver must always have a plan of attack that will be determined by the route and the defender that they are attacking. We will start by defining 5 different types of defenders:

  • Press
    • Quick-Jam
  • Soft-Press
  • Squat Defender
  • Off Defender
  • Bail Defender

Receivers must understand how to recognize these techniques because that will determine how each route is run. Even though the route might be the same, it will always be ran slightly different depending upon the defensive coverage. Once in season, understanding the opponent’s defensive tendencies and coverages will give the players a better idea of the technique to expect out of the defender they are attacking; this is why film study is critical to success.
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Well he's a rookie in his first camp and all of these articles were written off a passing sound bite. So I'm not worried about it at all. The guy can run routes, he'll learn the coverage in the classroom.
 
Carr Bombed said:
Well he's a rookie in his first camp and all of these articles were written off a passing sound bite. So I'm not worried about it at all. The guy can run routes, he'll learn the coverage in the classroom.
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The point is to be a in-game great route runner a player has to have coverage recognition. Then after recognizing the coverage, a player has to learn (or have the skills) how to beat coverage. running pretty routes against air is nice, but does not mean he will be able to do so in live games. I would suggest that coverage recognition is all real experience,

It is the difference between driving on an empty parking lot and using a simulator, and actually navigating 45 north at 5: 06 on a Friday.
 
ArlingtonTexan said:
The point is to be a in-game great route runner a player has to have coverage recognition. Then after recognizing the coverage, a player has to learn (or have the skills) how to beat coverage. running pretty routes against air is nice, but does not mean he will be able to do so in live games. I would suggest that coverage recognition is all real experience,

It is the difference between driving on an empty parking lot and using a simulator, and actually navigating 45 north at 5: 06 on a Friday.
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I understand that, my point is that it's easier to teach a rookie coverage recognition than it is to teach a rookie how to run routes. This is something a lot of rookies have to learn and furthermore I think the criticism on KeKe for this is entirely overblown, because of a full article someone wrote over a 10 second sound bite.

I know the media is starved for information in a O'Brien Area 51 classified camp, but damn.
 
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Has there been any special teams news at training camp? I have seen the depth chart so have a pretty good idea who they have getting reps at PR/KR (Ervin, Ellington, B. Miller, Coutee, Coates and Fuller). But I want to see who they have lining up at gunner on Punt coverage. Chris Thompson won a spot on the 53 last season as a UDFA WR due to his ST coverage. I want to know if Jester Weah or Vyncint Smith can contribute on the coverage teams enough to win a spot on the roster. Both 6'2" 4.3/4.4 40 athletes.
 
Some time ago I mentioned the new helmet rule change. Unless I overlooked it, I don’t remember seeing any comment. Today’s Chronicle has a good write up on this. A link will have to wait until I get home to my computer.

Basically the new rule says “it is a foul if a player lowers his head to initiate and make contact with his helmet against an opponent.” The penalty will be 15 yards.

The rule applies to all positions, and I can see an immediate impact against those bulldozer runs up the middle by a power RB, who just lowers his head and stuffs it. No longer legal, IMO.

I can also see an impact on special teams, LB’s and DB’s who leave their feet diving for the tackle. This kind of tackle leads with the helmet. No longer legal unless you can raise your head and lead with the face guard.

Matter of fact, this rule change is not really new. Back in the mid 60’s the head coach of my high school team was a former NFL defensive player. We were taught to never lead with the helmet. This leads to neck injuries we were taught.

(edit) Here is the link to this morning's Chronicle story: https://www.houstonchronicle.com/sp...s-up-approach-to-new-helmet-rule-13131185.php
 
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Carr Bombed said:
I understand that, my point is that it's easier to teach a rookie coverage recognition than it is to teach a rookie how to run routes. This is something a lot of rookies have to learn and furthermore I think the criticism on KeKe for this is entirely overblown, because of a full article someone wrote over a 10 second sound bite.

I know the media is starved for information in a O'Brien Area 51 classified camp, but damn.
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I actually think these are the comments that get lost when we are wondering why in week 11 KeKe is not playing. I rather more made of an actual football comment by a coach, than repeatedly telling me that the guy who is quick, and fast is looking really quick and fast when playing against air or the UDFA CB.
 
@sarahbarshop: Bill O’Brien was vague in his update on RB D’Onta Foreman, saying that he is “heading in the right direction.” At the start of camp, GM Brian Gaine said it was too early to evaluate whether the running back would be ready for the season opener.
 
ArlingtonTexan said:
I actually think these are the comments that get lost when we are wondering why in week 11 KeKe is not playing. I rather more made of an actual football comment by a coach, than repeatedly telling me that the guy who is quick, and fast is looking really quick and fast when playing against air or the UDFA CB.
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Well we can worry about that if he's not playing in week 11. I think the possibility of that actaully happening is HIGHLY unlikely. Ellington has had troubles staying healthy his entire NFL career and Braxton Miller has yet to do crap in his career and can't stay healthy himself. Coutee is going to get his shot at some point..he was hand picked by Wes Welker this past draft.

I still think all the worry about this "coverage recognition" is highly overblown. He's a rookie who has had one week of camp. Y'all act like he isn't going to learn. Supposedly he's been following Hopkins around everywhere..he'll pick it up. Rookies are not finished products in this league.
 
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Carr Bombed said:
Well we can worry about that if he's not playing in week 11. I think the possibility of that actaully happening is HIGHLY unlikely. Ellington has had troubles staying healthy his entire NFL career and Braxton Miller has yet to do crap in his career and can't stay healthy himself. Coutee is going to get his shot at some point..he was hand picked by Wes Welker this past draft.

I still think all the worry about this "coverage recognition" is highly overblown. He's a rookie who has had one week of camp. Y'all act like he isn't going to learn. Supposedly he's been following Hopkins around everywhere..he'll pick it up. Rookies are not finished products in this league.
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We moving in two different conversational directions...You are locked into specifically the comment about Keke in specific versus my not really caring that it is KEKE or another player, but more into if I am going to get "reporting" I would rather overplaying a comment by an actual coach (even if seemingly obvious) than random "observations" of the obvious he is really quick, fast runs and good routes in less intense practices (which all we got until..well now).
 
ArlingtonTexan said:
We moving in two different conversational directions...You are locked into specifically the comment about Keke in specific versus my not really caring that it is KEKE or another player, but more into if I am going to get "reporting" I would rather overplaying a comment by an actual coach (even if seemingly obvious) than random "observations" of the obvious he is really quick, fast runs and good routes in less intense practices (which all we got until..well now).
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I understand the coach's comments and I took them for exactly what they are.. the rookie needs to work on reading NFL coverage, but again.. what 1st year WR doesn't? Even the great all pro DeAndre Hopkins was Andre's puppy dog when he first got here so again, I'm not worried about it, it's part of the process. If it was his 2nd or 3rd year I would be, but he's a rookie who has had one week of training camp.
 
TheKDog said:
@AaronWilson_NFL: Texans like Kareem Jackson's transition to safety https://t.co/uYYxiCEoQu via @HoustonChron
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I was listening to Marc Vandermeer's radio show at Texans camp Friday morning. Near the end of the show, Vandermeer said he didn't expect Jackson to get a lot of playing time, even in the nickel and dime defenses. I thought that was odd, especially considering Hal's illness. Makes me wonder if Jackson's roster spot is safe? Something to watch as the preseason unfolds.
 
PapaL said:
Sounds like typical preseason talk to me.
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Well, let's see

Report: the player is doing things well he was drafted to do (yes)
Report: the player needs to learn things rookies always need to learn (yes)
Report; a single line that player has been missing time with minor soft tissue issue (yes)
Texans medical: the player should be back in a "couple/few of weeks" (yes)

so still waiting for

Report; the player might be ready for pre-season game ----
Texans medical: the soft tissue issue is still lingering
Report: the player should be ready for the regular season

Then comes the regular season story where we debate the "disappointing" rookie is either

a) injury
b) missed pre-season time
c)well, he's a rookie
d )the organization in general
e) the medical staff in specific

:logo:
 
Lucky said:
I was listening to Marc Vandermeer's radio show at Texans camp Friday morning. Near the end of the show, Vandermeer said he didn't expect Jackson to get a lot of playing time, even in the nickel and dime defenses. I thought that was odd, especially considering Hal's illness. Makes me wonder if Jackson's roster spot is safe? Something to watch as the preseason unfolds.
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Its Mark Vandermeer though..the only guy who has less credibilty than John McClain about what's going on with the Texans.
 
Lucky said:
I was listening to Marc Vandermeer's radio show at Texans camp Friday morning. Near the end of the show, Vandermeer said he didn't expect Jackson to get a lot of playing time, even in the nickel and dime defenses. I thought that was odd, especially considering Hal's illness. Makes me wonder if Jackson's roster spot is safe? Something to watch as the preseason unfolds.
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I dunno for sure but think that Kareem has a petty healthy cap number and with the Texans adding talent thru both the Draft and FA this past offseason to the defensive backfield
I don't think there's any guarantees for Kareem staying on the roster.
 
Mr teX said:
Its Mark Vandermeer though..the only guy who has less credibilty than John McClain about what's going on with the Texans.
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Vandermeer is a VP with the Texans now. He must of heard it from someone, somewhere. Jackson was drafted and re-signed by Rick Smith. He may not have a lot of supporters in management. Just something to keep an eye on.
 
ArlingtonTexan said:
Well, let's see

Report: the player is doing things well he was drafted to do (yes)
Report: the player needs to learn things rookies always need to learn (yes)
Report; a single line that player has been missing time with minor soft tissue issue (yes)
Texans medical: the player should be back in a "couple/few of weeks" (yes)

so still waiting for

Report; the player might be ready for pre-season game ----
Texans medical: the soft tissue issue is still lingering
Report: the player should be ready for the regular season

Then comes the regular season story where we debate the "disappointing" rookie is either

a) injury
b) missed pre-season time
c)well, he's a rookie
d )the organization in general
e) the medical staff in specific

:logo:
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Yup, sounds like typical preseason talk to me.
 
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