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Any of you gonna admit to owing DW4 an apology?

Carr Bombed said:
Is there one on 5 step drop backs?

I don't really care about 7 step drop backs, because teams rarely do that in today's league...especially teams that have a line like us. With a line like ours..a 7 step drop is just asking for trouble so it's best to limit it as much as possible.
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I couldn't find anything on 5 step drop backs.
 
The fact is that when the defense sucks it puts more pressure on the Qb and the offense which can make the Qb force things sometimes. Also int's aren't always on the Qb. Especially when one comes in without a lot of reps with the first teamers. DW4 did not put in the time with his receivers and starting offense as an expected starting Qb. I think BO'b pondered for a time in seeing DW4 as third string. I think DW4 did remarkably well considering. For the lack of a working cohesiveness it does show that DW4 is smart and did a lot of studying film. I am amazed at how he did with Nuke and him having the success he had with an obviously piss poor offensive line.
 
TxnsJuggernaut said:
The fact is that when the defense sucks it puts more pressure on the Qb and the offense which can make the Qb force things sometimes. Also int's aren't always on the Qb. Especially when one comes in without a lot of reps with the first teamers. DW4 did not put in the time with his receivers and starting offense as an expected starting Qb. I think BO'b pondered for a time in seeing DW4 as third string. I think DW4 did remarkably well considering. For the lack of a working cohesiveness it does show that DW4 is smart and did a lot of studying film. I am amazed at how he did with Nuke and him having the success he had with an obviously piss poor offensive line.
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I was extremely impressed with how he spread the wealth around. Normally a rookie would lock in on one receiver he trust the most. But with Watson he showed a Drew Breeze type of football savvy.
 
One could argue that the real success was with Will Fuller, but then again he did spread the wealth. It was just nice seeing that opening drive in Seattle (live) in such a loud stadium when he hit Fuller for that deep pass and torched the LOB. I walked out of there with no voice, lol.
 
Thorn said:
Besides all the horseshit everyone says, they probably make some correct predictions as well. The ole blind squirrel and the nut thing, or it was frickin' obvious anyway. "I told you so" in politics can work, but it's not worth a crap in football.
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Right on, man! I thought that Dorin Dickerson was going to be a steal .. :boogereater:

There's people out there that have been college football scouts their whole lives, and they never find that NFL star. Sometimes they find a gem, sometimes they find a turd. Sometimes they find a dumbass disguised as a football player, or that puhsee that can't hang, when the grown folks start playing. Then, sometimes they will go and find someone that you would never think would make it, and turn out to be the next big thing. It's a difficult thing to do. You have just about a good chance of finding that Hall of Famer, or even someone that will make it in the NFL, as a midget does at a slam dunk contest. :polevault:
 
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I think I already ate my crow during the season but the board draftniks may recall that I was pretty opposed to Watson during the pre-draft scouting part of the offseason. Glad to be wrong.
 
too soon for this.
I loved what I've seen so far but....

as other folks have said, DCs around the league have film on him. Let's see how O'Brien counters and Watson reacts.

more to come
hopefully, it mostly good
 
When they announced that we were moving up in the draft, I was not a fan.
thought at first we might have given up too many picks to do that, esp to the Browns again.
Was not a fan of starting a rookie QB right away, though Savage would be serviceable.
Was surprised he was still there as I though he was probably the better QB prospect of all. He was a winner in college and even tho that does not translate into being a good NFL QB, what he did in the 2 NCAA Championship games was rather impressive.

The games against the Pats and Seahawks were more than impressive. With even a little bit of defense we very easily could have won both of them.

I have watched a lot on football in my ___ years and only a handful or so have been/are exciting to watch - Montana, Brady, Rogers, Staubach, Fouts - just to name a few.

I sincerely hope he can stay healthy because the young man is just exciting to watch.
 
Can we give props to BOB as well? On the Deep Pass Progessions article I posted last week, if Watson had gone into BOB's traditional scheme, he wouldn't have been a fit. BOB changed his offense for him and is going to do it again for Watson; how many HC's do that?

Watson made Fuller and Lamar serviceable guys for us and did it without much knowledge of our playbook and a crappy O-line. He was making throws and reads of a 10 year old vet on some plays last year. Going into NE and Seattle and doing what he did was awesome and amazing.

He's got to stay healthy and continue his onslaught. I think the defense will be much better and Watson won't have to be in that many shootouts anymore. He did have a lot of interceptable passes last year that needs to be cut down and due to his injury history, I am going to cringe every time he slides or takes a hit much like Dallas fans with Romo. I am really excited about DW4 though for sure; aside from being a good QB, he's an even nicer person.
 
zshawn10 said:
Can we give props to BOB as well? On the Deep Pass Progessions article I posted last week, if Watson had gone into BOB's traditional scheme, he wouldn't have been a fit. BOB changed his offense for him and is going to do it again for Watson; how many HC's do that?

Watson made Fuller and Lamar serviceable guys for us and did it without much knowledge of our playbook and a crappy O-line. He was making throws and reads of a 10 year old vet on some plays last year. Going into NE and Seattle and doing what he did was awesome and amazing.

He's got to stay healthy and continue his onslaught. I think the defense will be much better and Watson won't have to be in that many shootouts anymore. He did have a lot of interceptable passes last year that needs to be cut down and due to his injury history, I am going to cringe every time he slides or takes a hit much like Dallas fans with Romo. I am really excited about DW4 though for sure; aside from being a good QB, he's an even nicer person.
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OB gets no credit because he called run plays in the NE and SEA games when he should have let Watson have the ball and do something with it. That was the guarantee win. OB lost those games. All on that call. Because Watson would have won those games had he had the ball. Guaranteed.

Or so says some.

(Not me.)
 
TexansBull said:
OB gets no credit because he called run plays in the NE and SEA games when he should have let Watson have the ball and do something with it. That was the guarantee win. OB lost those games. All on that call. Because Watson would have won those games had he had the ball. Guaranteed.

Or so says some.

(Not me.)
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There is no guarantee at all that those plays get executed. He gets credit for finally getting a great offense going. However, after 3 other seasons of a terrible offense where no one really over achieved at any point, it's very little credit. He's on a major hot seat at this point. Put up or shut up time for OB
 
Mangler said:
Not really. I’m pretty sure that a coach on the “hot seat” doesn’t get an extension nor does he get to pick his GM. That is unless you’re talking about your own personal “hot seat.”
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Good grief, you sound like you've never watched the NFL. Coaches get extensions all the time and get fired the following year for various reasons. All that means is that the owner may have to pay more penalties for early termination, but when owners want guys gone they get rid of them. That extension means zilch. If I'm not mistaken his contract was up any way so they had to either let him go or extend it.
 
Texecutioner said:
Good grief, you sound like you've never watched the NFL. Coaches get extensions all the time and get fired the following year for various reasons. All that means is that the owner may have to pay more penalties for early termination, but when owners want guys gone they get rid of them. That extension means zilch. If I'm not mistaken his contract was up any way so they had to either let him go or extend it.
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This would have been his final year I believe
 
JB said:
This would have been his final year I believe
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Did they give him 5 to start out with? You know I've always liked OB, but its his 5th year and it's time. He's had enough time to where anything else becomes excuses at this point. If it wasn't for all those injuries last season, no way he keeps his job going 4-12 or whatever their record was in his 4th season regressing that bad. Giving him one more season was fair, but make it happen this year. We need to go 10-6 or better.
 
Texecutioner said:
Good grief, you sound like you've never watched the NFL. Coaches get extensions all the time and get fired the following year for various reasons. All that means is that the owner may have to pay more penalties for early termination, but when owners want guys gone they get rid of them. That extension means zilch. If I'm not mistaken his contract was up any way so they had to either let him go or extend it.
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Really, then naming 5 should be easy? It's more like it almost never happens.

And they don't pay penalties. HC contracts are fully guaranteed. The only potential relief is if it had an offset clause.

Yes, his original contract was 5 years so this would have been the last year of his 1st contract. They should have let it ride. He'd have to have an horrific year to get fired.
 
TexansBull said:
OB gets no credit because he called run plays in the NE and SEA games when he should have let Watson have the ball and do something with it. That was the guarantee win. OB lost those games. All on that call. Because Watson would have won those games had he had the ball. Guaranteed.

Or so says some.

(Not me.)
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Nothing is guaranteed in life.
 
No, these guys are not going to apologize. They still harp on Watson's exit Velocity from the Combine. "It will eventually matter he had the lowest exit velocity that day at the combine!! WATCH....!".:uprights::kubepalm::toropalm::rolleyes:
 
infantrycak said:
Really, then naming 5 should be easy? It's more like it almost never happens.

And they don't pay penalties. HC contracts are fully guaranteed. The only potential relief is if it had an offset clause.

Yes, his original contract was 5 years so this would have been the last year of his 1st contract. They should have let it ride. He'd have to have an horrific year to get fired.
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Right off the top of my head there is Mularky was just fired after an extension this past season, Fisher was also fired right after an extension in St. Louis/Los Angeles, Caldwell was fired right after an extension in Detroit, Jauron was fired in Buffalo the year after his extension, and there have been plenty of HC's fired after one season being one and done.

The point is that you can be fine today, but if you have a bottom feeding type of season your seat gets hot quick. NFL HC's go from hero to zero pretty damn fast. Kubiak went from being high off the hog after a winning season to getting fired the next. Same thing happened in Denver when Elway fired Fox after a year from being in the SB. OB is not some new guy anymore, and his job is likely no longer here if he does worse than 8-8.
 
Mularky still on 1st contract.
Fisher 1 year extension.
Caldwell 1 year extension
Jauron yes

So you got 1 out of NFL history. Hardly commonplace.

The team will have to get worse for him to get fired.
 
infantrycak said:
Mularky still on 1st contract.
Fisher 1 year extension.
Caldwell 1 year extension
Jauron yes

So you got 1 out of NFL history. Hardly commonplace.

The team will have to get worse for him to get fired.
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Every single one of those matched what I said. I didn't lay out any terms or time specifics in my initial statement you tried to argue other than a fast turn around of being fired from having an extension and it happens frequently from one off season to the end of another season or faster in some cases via example. What is it that you're trying to dig here any way? That HC's don't go to a hot seat really quickly with really bad seasons or that OB won't possibly be fired after this season?
 
BS - I was very specific in the statement, hardly anyone gets fired after the 1st year of an extension. The discussion was OB after next year so convert that to contracts and that's after the 1st year. You came up with 1 guy that fits. It's rare as hell.
 
So how many coaches are fired after an extension when they have 3 mediocre seasons and 1 horrible season? How many of those coaches are tossed after a gm change where the owner put all his trust in the coach?

Lose enough games and extensions don't matter.
 
Rams fired Fisher 8 days after giving him a two-year extension.

Texans fired Kubiak with more than a year left on his 3-yr extension.
Kubiak actually turned down the extra year which could have made it a 4-yr extension.

Sure, Caldwell has only a one-yr extension, but his record was 36-28.
Right now, O'Brien is minus two.

On Feb 2017, Jack Del Rio signed a 4-yr extension. He was fired at year end.

In Jan 2016, Chuck Pagano signed an extension through 2019. He was fired at the end of last year. He should have had the excuse Luck being injured. NOT.

Rex Ryan signed a 5-yr contract with the Bills; he barely lasted two.
 
Norv Turner only had one season left in his extension, but his record was 59-43
(Plus 16)

One year after signing an extension, Brian Bilick was fired with 3 seasons left on his contract.
 
A year after extending Brad Childress, the Vikings fired him in 2010.
His extension was supposed to last through 2013.
 
In 2008, the Buccs gave Jon Gruden an extension that was supposed to last thru 2011.
He got canned after just one season and with 3 seasons left on his contract.

.....

I think that ought to be enough examples.
 
You're throwing random crap out that doesn't meet the question. That's not "examples" at all.

How many types of cookies are there?

Well there's cherry pie, rhubarb pie, chocolate chip (oops got one accidentally), blueberry pie...
 
ObsiWan said:
heeey... how 'bout that DeShaun Watson kid...?

he was pretty decent up until he got hurt, huh?

:)
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Are you kidding Texecutioner and his buddies?? This is bigger than Watson! This is the “Coaches that got fired right after given an extension/O’Brien is on the hot seat thread.” They’ve made up their minds, so get it together.:shades:
 
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Mangler said:
Are you kidding Texecutioner and his buddies?? This is bigger than Watson! This is the “Coaches that got fired right after given an extension/O’Brien is on the hot seat thread.” They’ve made up their minds, so get it together.:shades:
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Well change the damn thread title dammit
:D
 
JB said:
This needs repeating...

... often
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Almost every thread gets off topic so this is no surprise. Arguments here are petty year round. Maybe they'e "more petty'er" because we're in the slowest part of the offseason? It's gonna get worse before it gets better...

Infact, I might start a ridiculous offseason catch all thread just to corral it all into one place...
 
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infantrycak said:
Give it a shot. Not sure you're even going to get a little.
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Your likely right and you damn near live here so you would know. If it catches just a little debris in the net though maybe It's worth it?
 
Fred said:
You left out the best one. The Oilers "Coach for Life" Bill Peterson got fired and he wasn't dead yet. Heck, he wasn't even sick.
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I aplogize. :brando:

You remind me to look it up.
Not only Peterson got ditched after just one year into a 10-yr contract (plus a 5-yr option); he was replacing a guy that was fired one year into a 5-yr contract (unrelated to on field performance.)

https://www.nytimes.com/1971/12/24/...oilers-but-president-of-rice-says-school.html

To Icak and others, the point isn't about just an extension.
Rather, it's about the fact that a HC can be fired at any given time. There's no guarantee at all.

For example, Norv Turner got fired even though he has a good winning record; ie. , he's much more proven than Bill O'Brien.

Ed Hughes got fired because he refused to replace a trainer.

The owner simply does whatever he wants.
 
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