TheMatrix31
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I guess we did. Literally remember zero from that game. Last season was complete ass.
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I guess we did. Literally remember zero from that game. Last season was complete ass.
He better not name Watson his starter next year...
zshawn10
All Pro
Perki-Perk
DieHard Texan!
I heard on 610 this morning that there were internal sources that said Rick Smith shut down BOB from starting DW4. He wanted to start him apparently but got shut down by upper management. Those damn meddling kids!!!
Sure they shut him down but starting DW4 in the second half of the first game was OK! Likely story from O'Brien
Perki-Perk
DieHard Texan!
I find it odd as well since BOB named Savage the starter from day one. Also, Rick Smith seemed to leave it open as far as who would be the starter...
htownfan32
Hall of Fame
I agree. Coupled with the news that Rick Smith nearly traded up to #6 with the Jets to get Deshaun, I feel like this is being pushed out by someone in the O'Brien camp to make him look like less of an idiot for rolling with Savage at first.
Number19
Hall of Fame
I haven't read ahead, so this has probably been posted; but recent news says OB wanted to elevate Watson to #1 after the Carolina preseason game. The decision to stay with Savage was Rick's suggestion, but one OB agreed to.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
And you believe that?
In law folks often talk about preponderance of the evidence. But that leaves off half the sentence. Credible evidence.
No, the story said Rick recommended O'b be sure that's what he wants to do. It was still Billy's decision.
Successful? If you consider being a playoff team but not a true contender successful then yes, Kubiak and BOB have both been successful.
BOB's been every bit as successful as Kubiak was here, yet the mob has their pitchforks out.
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It is worth considering that apparently BOB spent a lot of time with Watson according to that same report. That would lead me to believe that he was going to make the move to Watson sooner than later...
Difference is that Kubiak was an offensive coach that had a great offense almost since day 1 that had to be forced into hiring a defensive coach to make that team successful, and yes pre-Schaub injury they were very much a contender in 2011. BOB is an offensive coach that prior to the last two weeks had a truly offensive offense, and the defense is all that saved him. If current trends continue, they will very much be a true contender again
TheMatrix31
Hall of Fame
I don't believe a word that butt chinned dildobreath says.
OptimisticTexan
2024 / Rebuilding Block 4 After Playoffs / Texans
I'm in a holding pattern until the results of the KC game are in. This will be big test for every component both offensively and defensively. If the Texans can pull off another sound and/or amazing outing....then I will take a sip or two of the Kool-Aid. It's a big season with some tough games ahead that will gauge how this group is progressing. My biggest concern still lies with the OL and a close second goes to Fuller who must show consistency with his hands to keep defenses truly honest.
Of course, I would like to see O'Brien get Foreman more touches so he can get into a groove during the game...RB's, not all but the majority are like this. I don't think O'Brien needs to wait until Miller has a lingering injury before getting Foreman more involved. His hands have proven to be just fine and with more reps, I think the same would happen in his ability to more effective in picking-up blitzes.
I believe Watt has had an extended pre-season and this could be the game that he finally shows he's back. This in conjunction with a strong outing by Clowney could go a long ways towards taking the pressure off the DB's.
Of course, I would like to see O'Brien get Foreman more touches so he can get into a groove during the game...RB's, not all but the majority are like this. I don't think O'Brien needs to wait until Miller has a lingering injury before getting Foreman more involved. His hands have proven to be just fine and with more reps, I think the same would happen in his ability to more effective in picking-up blitzes.
I believe Watt has had an extended pre-season and this could be the game that he finally shows he's back. This in conjunction with a strong outing by Clowney could go a long ways towards taking the pressure off the DB's.
Your last paragraph is the key. I think this upcoming game is more of a test for Vrabel than O'Brien. He and RAC need to find a way to corral Hunt and get a pass rush on the new-and-improved Alex Smith. If O'Brien, Watson, and Co. can muster up 24-30 pts (fingers crossed) then the defense should pull it's weight and help bring home a win.
sandman
Brexit Advisor
The Chiefs are the last undefeated team in the league. While they are beatable, a loss to them doesn't invalidate what we saw from OB and Watson the last two weeks. There will be losses. If this is one, I am more concerned about how they lost and how they respond the following week.
You are such a great orator.
I cant wait for your next childrens book on audio tape.
24 points should be enough to get a win.
Of course I was hoping they would score 24 points last week.
He has the positivity of a 60 year old cat lady who is bitter at life.
Do people just completely forget the Harvey effect in this city before the first game? These players are humans, too, and have family and friends that were dealing with a devastating natural disaster. I give the team, coaches included, a mulligan for that game. They were obviously distracted by real world events leading up to that game.
As far as the Savage as starter, who really gives a crap other than those with agendas. Watson was not playing like he is now in preseason, and just about everyone was okay with giving Savage a chance.
20/20 hindsight seems to make a lot of folks experts on everything.
As far as the Savage as starter, who really gives a crap other than those with agendas. Watson was not playing like he is now in preseason, and just about everyone was okay with giving Savage a chance.
20/20 hindsight seems to make a lot of folks experts on everything.
OB started off with a playoff caliber roster where Kubiak started off with a somewhat less than that caliber roster. Pretty damn big difference.
Steelb just likes convenience.
Starting out with Carr had to be tough enough...
And then to train Schaub, which had barely played ball in the NFL.
The real difference is O'Brien has RC, and Kubiak had nothing for quite a while.
Which was Kubiak's doing.
You're right, Kubiak inherited a 2-14 team.
Then all the QBs choices were O'Brien.
So was Kubiak's choice of Schaub, even after CND predicted Schaub falling off of a cliff.
Getting back to the original point, tell me more about Kubiak's DC hires vs BOB's?
Right, but they didn't face the same caliber of opponents.
Only the Jags 5-11 team finished below 500 in Kubiak's first 3 years.
O' Brien had his choice on what to do with the QB position.
Kubiak was stucked with Carr.
Oh neither was without fault.
For 1 yr
BOB didn't have much to choose from once Ricky decided to pass on to differing degrees. Bortles/Jimmy G/Carr.
Agreed, and that's the point.
Fans on this MB are holding BOB to a different standard than they did Kubiak.
Why? Hometown boy/Aggie.
For 3 years, not 1.
......
I don't know who passed on whom.
As a HC, O'Brien has the input.
He took Savage, whom he had recruited in college.
You lie, your feet stank and you hate Jesus if you think OB started out with even a cousin to as bad of a roster as Kubiak did. Don't be an intellectually dishonest douche bag just for the sake of argument.
2-14 = 2-14
Both men started without a QB.
Yes BOB had more talent and did more with that talent.
The Pencil Neck
Hall of Fame
Good to see you back.
Fred
Veteran
Make another good post and it could happen again!
I thought I would make you LOL.
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
We have no idea if Rick did not have plans for pick #1-#3, leaving the choice of QBs to O'Brien.............anyone he wanted as long as it was after the 3rd round. One cannot keep saying that Rick has control of who gets picked and where, and then turn around and strongly argue that O'Brien has some unknown level of "input." Some people (not directing this comment to you) tend to present O'Brien's pick inputs only when there is a negative connotation to them.
That happens with supposed Smith picks too. I've always been of the opinion that picks (i.e., setting the draft board) are group decisions involving the all the coaches and scouts.
TheMatrix31
Hall of Fame
That's why it was infuriating to see all the fellating of O'Brien for "rebounding in 2014!" after the 2-14 year.
Anyone who's anyone knows that 9-7 was back to where the team SHOULD have been, and O'Brien's shittiness prevented the team from winning 11-13 games that year, with multiple failures scattered throughout the year including Dallas, Pittsburgh, Cincy and a couple others.
I think it's a little bit of both.
Sometimes, a different person, like Wade, would have to go to bat for a guy he really like (J J Watt), for example.
Also true.
Although I do wonder if the Kirby gang puts as much study and background work into the mid-round picks as they seem to do in rounds 1 and 2. I wonder if Smith and O'Brien leave those to the position coaches and scouts.
I don't know this, obviously
I'm just wondering.
I wish they would put as much effort in the middle rounds as they do the late rounds and UDFA's that they hit on quite often. It's just crazy how the Texans consistently miss on the middle round draft picks.