Where did you hear these rumors? I heard nothing about Mallett and the rumor about Os is in direct opposition to what BOB has said, he said Os was a Ricky move at the behest of the McNair's.
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Where did you hear these rumors? I heard nothing about Mallett and the rumor about Os is in direct opposition to what BOB has said, he said Os was a Ricky move at the behest of the McNair's.
TheRealJoker
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Jayson Braddock said on Koch and Kalu today that according to his source the Texans do not like Peterman. So it looks like we're likely to get a QB round 1...
The thing is the opponents' defense gave him a lot.
Similar to Leinart at USC, Peterman had a lot of pieces on offense to work with.
Between the poor defenses he faced and a good OC that called good plays for him, it was rather easy for Peterman to accomplished what he did.
There could be half to a full dozen QBs in this draft that can have those numbers ( or better) in the same situation.
The Clemson D had an awful day, and there were a few important calls that went the Panthers' way that day.
Peterman is still a solid prospect, but his potential is not great, IMO.
Not worth a draft pick based on the risk/ reward ratio, for me.
Watch his Clemson tape.
Penn St. Tape
North Carolina Tape
He looks like he's really good to me and his main weakness (Arm Strength) can be improved upon. At worst you get Schaub, at best you get something special.
I also see Watson in this light, but he's further behind in learning a pro style offense.
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Number19
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Peterman is the perfect QB for what I'm looking for. The Texans need a third QB who has sound fundamentals and a quick learner, who can come in in an emergency and run a simplified version of our offense.
My planning takes into account that either Savage or Weeden will be our starter this year and next. 2018 we draft our future QB. Peterman would compete with this prospect for QB#2 for the 2018 season.
Going forward beyond 2018, I would be looking at Peterman to be our backup QB for the duration of his contract.
I want to draft OT with our first pick.
Yep, for those that said he didn't look great last yr. Look at the defenses he faced and the points his offenses put on the board.
North Carolina
Virginia
Virginia Tech
Miami
Clemson
Northwestern
All had pretty good defenses and the only bad game Peterman had was against Miami. I see his floor as Schaub, and his ceiling as a very special QB. He's a good leader too. My #3 QB this yr behind Mahomes/Trubisky. With potential to be the best QB in this draft. I see Shanny picking Peterman at 34 and Peterman turning out to be another Ryan/Cousins.
I just want to add Kelly has fallen down my QB board due to injury. But I would rather take a 5th rd flier on him and IR him next yr than pick Peterman in the 2nd.
bah007
Hall of Fame
Of all the QBs in this class he has the best efficiency rating under pressure, the highest yards per attempt, and the highest success rate on deep attempts. And he did this from a system where he was forced to go through real progressions to find his target. He wasn't spoon fed his reads or had them sent in by the sideline. And only Kaaya had a higher Wonderlic score.
Everything about him exudes intelligence and high character. And he's an extremely accurate passer.
bah007
Hall of Fame
I wouldn't touch him. No faith whatsoever in him, regardless of arm talent.
Compare that schedule with the D that Beathard faced.
Miami Ohio 31st scoring against ( not a cupcake)
N Dakota St., a perennial FCS powerhouse (not a cupcake)
Northwestern, the same team Peterman played against.
Minnesota, 21st in scoring against
Wisconsin, 4th scoring agaisnt.
Penn St., another common opponent.
Peterman did nothing to write home about with 91 yards.
Michigan, 2nd scoring against.
Nebraska, 34th scoring against.
Florida, 6th scoring agaisnt.
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The Panthers gained 54 yards a game on the ground than the Hawkeyes to support Peterman vs. Beathard.
The Panthers had 4 offensive players attending the combine (besides Peterman), and a good numbers projected for the future drafts.
The Hawkeyes have TE Kittle who missed 4 games and playing gingerly in many others.
OT Cole Croston missed 5 games and projected as a 7th rounder at best.
RB Daniels is rated between 33rd and 42nd in this draft.
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While it's true that the Panthers defense was weak, his opportunities and the support on the offensive side was abound.
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The more important things to me is decision makings, and what the QB sees on the field.
Peterman and Beathard run similar concepts in their offense, but Peterman missed many more reads.
On top of that, he saw many fewer tight windows than Beathard.
If you put Peterman in Beathard's place, I see undesirable results.
zshawn10
All Pro
Could you tl;dh what else Jayson said?
Thorn
Dirty Old Man
Given the history of the Texans and their QBs, I don't have much confidence at this point. We had a few good years with Good Schaub, other than that, it's been terrible.
Maybe we'll get lucky. Or maybe it'll be the same ole crap. Roll the dice.
Even still, I can't wait for the draft. It's the biggest part of a fan's season, besides the actual season itself.
Maybe we'll get lucky. Or maybe it'll be the same ole crap. Roll the dice.
Even still, I can't wait for the draft. It's the biggest part of a fan's season, besides the actual season itself.
TheRealJoker
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I was only listening for a couple minutes. He said his source told him the Texans were planning to trade up into the 1st for Jimmy G but opted not to because they thought QBs were sliding and that they'd get him at 3rd round pick. Not sure how reliable that one is... you'd think if a guy was worth trading up for in the 1st you wouldn't just wait to get him in the 3rd.
Sorry, but NO.
Peterman might be comparable to Savage as a prospect, but in a different way.
Savage was more raw, but with a better arm.
I worried about Savage's read progression in college.
On the other hand, Peterman took off too soon ( while slow at other times.)
It's just a matter of whether the QB can improve over the years.
And that is difficult to project.
Peterman needs to calm down some, but he lacks the arm talent.
Savage has arm talent, but he needed to improve on his progression.
Neither show a few certain great traits to become a franchise QB.
If I was a GM, I wouldn't draft either.
Have a link?
To me, I want to look for possibility (ies) to get a franchise QB.
I didn't want Tannerhill, nor Bortles, nor Bridgewater, etc. for different reasons.
Even as I had said that Bridgewater did well under pressure (by which I mean I try to project NFL pressure), there are drawbacks that didn't enhance the risk/ reward ratio.
I didn't go for Bortles either, even if he can be had late in the first round.
I always said I like a QB in Bill Walsh's mold. Smart first, and then so on.
I didn't want Tannerhill, nor Bortles, nor Bridgewater, etc. for different reasons.
Even as I had said that Bridgewater did well under pressure (by which I mean I try to project NFL pressure), there are drawbacks that didn't enhance the risk/ reward ratio.
I didn't go for Bortles either, even if he can be had late in the first round.
I always said I like a QB in Bill Walsh's mold. Smart first, and then so on.
TxnsJuggernaut
Veteran
When people call a head coach a quarterbacks coach it makes some people feel that the coach is some kind of a miracle worker as if just about any quarterback will succeed. We have seen Bill O'brien do some good things with sub par talent but in no way was he going to make the talent he had anything special. I look forward to Tom Savage being the starter since he has put in the work for more than enough time. If he can stay healthy he could negate our need for a difference maker at quarterback.
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Chris
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Another Matt Schuab
bobbyboucherjr
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Mama said "Kizer is da one the Texans gone pick to play that foozball."
kiwitexansfan
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humblegeo
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I still think the number one need going into this draft is Quarterback and there may be three taken ahead of us maybe just 2 but bottom line we need to get one of the top 3 or 4 in the 2017 draft. That's a no brainer!! Then they can go after the defensive back, right side offensive tackle, defensive tackle and how about a running back for crying out loud, Lamar Miller needs some help back there besides Alfred Blue. It's time to add a new running back with some good size that can get that third and one conversion that we seem to need so often. Not some lightweight 180 pound speedster.
kiwitexansfan
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I agree about QB.
Statistics suggest big backs don't necessarily mean better short yardage and goal line backs.
This list is an interesting sample of good short yardage backs.
https://www.numberfire.com/nfl/news...-yardage-running-backs-of-the-2015-nfl-season
I wish I hadn't read that ... makes me think these buffoons are really content with Savage and Weeden .... that we wont see a QB until very late.
#another wasted year.
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humblegeo
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I'm not asking for much, just get me someone that's exactly like Eddie Lacy. Is that asking too much.....lol
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I just want to add Kelly has fallen down my QB board due to injury. But I would rather take a 5th rd flier on him and IR him next yr than pick Peterman in the 2nd.
What he said was Ricky gets the players and the coaching staff coaches them.
You can choose to believe BOB or not
What he said was Ricky gets the players and the coaching staff coaches them.
You can choose to believe BOB or not
I posted exactly what he said. What you are referring to should be taken in context, & cannot contradict what he said previously. Unless you think he's a liar in which case, how do you choose which of his statements to believe.
I don't think he's a liar. I believe what he said both times. He was intimately involved in the decision to bring in Brock Osweiler.
He also didn’t want to answer questions about player acquisition at that time & so deferred to Rick.
I believe at the time Os was signed BOB was the good company man. Not so much this off-season.
maverick512000
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When you have a pre-defined narrative anything can be made to support it. If BoB came out tomorrow and said that Osweiler was his choice and Smith makes no desisions regarding any player past, present or future without his green light you could just say "Oh he's just towing the line." or "They are forcing him to say that under threat of ruining his career in the NFL".
TK is right, if you believe BoB had nothing to do with Osweiler then the fact is he was either living then to tow the line or he's lieing now to save his ass. I still remember after they got Osweiler and I believe it was the owners meeting where every reporter said that O'Brien was bragging about his new QB to anyone who would listen. If he was just towing the line then that is going above and beyond and is brown nosing every bit as bad as people claim Smith does.
Also as you said he said Ricky GETS the players, he didn't say Smith chooses the players, but again when you have already made your mind up about something it's easy to twist it to fit.
I am curious Steel why are you so convinced that Smith is out to get O'Brien? The two men have had nothing but praise for each other when asked about the other in interviews. Yes Osweiler was a mistake but it was a calculated risk and it doesn't look like McNair is looking to put the blame on anyone like people here on the boards seem to want to.
Hell in reality it wasn't that big a risk, I've talked before about how all signs said Osweiler would be solid if not great and no one would have thought he'd blow up so badly. Even still companies and business lose money all the time on failed ventures. I can't tell you, literally I can't, how much ExxonMobile loses on failed projects. That's just the price of doing business and if Osweiler had worked out he would have been worth every penny.
Even this year you've gone on and on about how not signing FA is a sign that Smith wants him gone. Well if you figure we were trying to save money for Romo in the early parts, what FA are still left that are worth the money. Also even if we think that any of this year FAs were worth going after who's to say the Texans, FO and coaches, agreed. Personally I didn't see any that were must haves that fit our needs.
infantrycak
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Toe the line, not tow. Line in the sand, put your toe on it/over it... Travis, Alamo, one example.
Anyway, TK is correct. OB has talked plenty about being involved. The comment steelb so desperately wants to cling to could be OB pissed off Oz is gone over his objection.
GMs and HCs should talk and coordinate. Anything else is stupidity.
Anyway, TK is correct. OB has talked plenty about being involved. The comment steelb so desperately wants to cling to could be OB pissed off Oz is gone over his objection.
GMs and HCs should talk and coordinate. Anything else is stupidity.
Y'all believe what y'all want. Just like in the NSZ no minds are going to be changed. Fact: 2 different regimes and still talking about basically the same crap for a decade and counting now. This offseason is just a ifferent version.
People asked for sources, the best in the gme reported that Ricky wanted Os and BOB didn't. Still that's not good enough for y'all. No minds are going to be changed like I said before.
Back on topic, which QB do you like the most and if you were willing to trade up how far would you go?
Me: Mahomes #9 Cincy and I would be willing to give up 25/89 and a 2018 1st to get him. Decisive calculated risk taking.
You: ?
infantrycak
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I like Mahomes. Don't think a significant trade up will be necessary.
Hope you're right.
If he fell to say the Ravens at 16 would you trade up for him, or would you wait and hope that he fell to 25 and nobody traded ahead of you and picked Mahomes?
I would do the trade because I feel Mahomes is a franchise QB and you don't miss out on those guys.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
I think Mahomes is the bomb. Just don't think a major trade will be necessary. That said I hope they make a deal if necessary.
I'm not so sure he lasts to #25 .... mainly because I think the two teams with a dire need at the position that don't take a QB in the top 5 know the Texans are desperate at the position and will leapfrog them to get the last of the top quality prospects.
Wont take much for SF to move up from 34 to 24 .... same for Chicago going from 36 to 24.
This is another argument twisted by folks wanting to make it sound worse than it is.
For seven years of that decade they thought they had the question answered. Maybe you didn't like that answer, but they weren't asking the question for seven years of that decade.
O'b didn't feel like answering the question in 2014. I don't know why. He tried to answer it in 2015 & again in 2016.
Two years the Texans have been answering a question you haven't been satisfied with for 10 years.
Number19
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I'm a bit confused over two conflicting trains of conversation on TT.
One is that this is O'Brian's final year - he'll be replaced after this coming season. Or, a modified version of this is that he's coaching this season for a contract extension and if the season is not sucessful, he's gone.
Who actually believes this?
The second train of conversation revolves around the team drafting a QB with our first pick and who this pick should be.
Who actually believes this?
If OB is coaching for his job, why would he want to draft a QB who will be sitting on the bench this crucial season? He'll want to draft an impact player who'll make a difference this year.
So, if the Texans draft a QB in the first, who'll be making that decision, OB or Smith?
An organization/coach drafts for the future at the beginning of a contract. At the end of a contract you play the cards already delt and draft for the present.
One is that this is O'Brian's final year - he'll be replaced after this coming season. Or, a modified version of this is that he's coaching this season for a contract extension and if the season is not sucessful, he's gone.
Who actually believes this?
The second train of conversation revolves around the team drafting a QB with our first pick and who this pick should be.
Who actually believes this?
If OB is coaching for his job, why would he want to draft a QB who will be sitting on the bench this crucial season? He'll want to draft an impact player who'll make a difference this year.
So, if the Texans draft a QB in the first, who'll be making that decision, OB or Smith?
An organization/coach drafts for the future at the beginning of a contract. At the end of a contract you play the cards already delt and draft for the present.
Hervoyel
BUENO!
I don't think any of these QB's are worth making much effort to move up for. I'm just not all that excited about this class at all.
The QB we draft this year will be a project and our "3'' IMO and he'll sit like Savage did.
Number19
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I made a comment the other day about the "grapevine" and the rumer milll; and teams being aware of what is being said about other teams' needs.
The "announment"/media comment by the Texans this past week, that they may not be drafting a QB with their first pick, was not just for their Houston fans, they were making other teams aware of the possibility. The Texans have been consistantly saying for a long time that, other than QB, RT was their highest priority.
SF is desperate for one of rhe top three QB's. They know now that they may not have to leapfrog Houston. Instead, Houston is now a potential trading partner.
maverick512000
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I don't think the two lines of thought are mutually exclusive. If OB really does feel like Savage is the answer then he may feel like this season will be fine and he'll get the extension and wants that's QB for the future.
I don't think anything is set in stone either way in regards to him. Yes McNair said what he said last season but at the time I got the sense that he was more trying put pressure on BoB to take the team further.
In reality as far as the playoffs go we have improved. We actually got past the wildcard round and had a competive game with the eventual SB champs. I know many will disagree with me but when you step back and really look at it we were having a pretty good run till Savage went down, again, and Osweiler went back out there after a blow up with BoB.
The question is who do the McNairs and to a lesser extent RS think was to blame. O'Brien or Osweiler, to me the fact they gave up a second to get rid of Osweiler says they mostly blamed him.
To Steels question I see picking in this class as the lesser of all evils. So if I had to pick I'd say Trubisky, though I don't like him all that much, because I think he could be the most consistent of all the QBs in this draft.
Here's the thing I see about Mahomes, without question the kid has talent and yes I will agree in many cases he made playing QB look easy, and there's where my fear comes in.
I've dealt with a lot of college kids that made something look easy and seemed to be born to do something. They are amazing to watch but for a lot of them when it stops being as easy for them they lose it. There is nothing about being an NFL level QB that is easy, Brady doesn't make it look easy. So my worry with Mahomes is not so much his skills as it is his mindset.
Now this is a concern that can really only be address when you personally know someone and of course I don't know Mahomes so my fears could be groundless. It's just a gut feeling I have.
All that being said though I do have him as my number 2 and think we have the best chance of getting him. If nothing else he will be fun to watch for awhile and again I could be totally wrong about him. I hope I am if we do get him.
zshawn10
All Pro
Lol
Ian Rapoport @RapSheet
On the veteran QB market: If the #Bengals are going to trade AJ McCarron it will require a 1st round pick -- at least. Pretty unlikely.8:07 AM · Apr 25, 2017
Ian Rapoport @RapSheet
On the veteran QB market: If the #Bengals are going to trade AJ McCarron it will require a 1st round pick -- at least. Pretty unlikely.8:07 AM · Apr 25, 2017
zshawn10
All Pro
From Matt millers scouting notebook today:
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...book-latest-draft-buzz-updated-big-board-more
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...book-latest-draft-buzz-updated-big-board-more
Good team invest in the QB position
Green Bay Hundley
New England Jimmy G
Redskins Griffin/Cousins
Broncos Peyton/Os
Even if they miss atleast they invest although they already have a franchise QB.
Ricky = Neglect
maverick512000
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Not when you are trying to build the entire team and have greater needs than QB. You're talking about drafting for depth which is what NE and Green Bay do because the rest of the team is mostly solid.
Texans have just now got to the point where they can start looking at depth. Not saying they draft on it yet but they can consider it. You seem to be if the mind set that if you don't draft a QB then you have neglected the position and frankly that's not true at all.
You may prefer to build from draft, and maybe that is best, but again that doesn't equal neglect. The only year I would say they should have gone for a QB was 14. In 15 they had Hoyer and Mallet and one blew up and the other couldn't work an alarm clock. In 16 they got Osweiler and.......yeah moving on.
The point is you can't say they haven't invested, they have invested just not through the draft. Ultimately the only difference on that is the size of the contracts, who's to say even if they had drafted a QB every draft the results would have been any better.