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What's your plan for QB next season?

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Even Texans Legend TJ yates is on board this Savage Train!
 
Mollywhopper said:
Wouldn't say same skill set. Similar in so far as nothing truly eyepopping across the board, but not really the same. Peterman's accuracy is well more consistent and his ability to handle duress and make improv plays stands out vs Kaaya, imo.

I kinda like Kaaya as a couple/few years out project. I certainly like Peterman as a guy who could see playing time in '17 while possibly taking the reigns in '18.
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Agreed about the accuracy thingy.

Peterman played behind a much better OL so I'm interested in seeing how Kaaya performs behind a better OL.
 
DocBar said:
Don't know if this has been posted, here is what Smith is looking for in a QB. I'm thinking this is listed pretty much in order of importance.
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No one in this draft class meets all ten of these qualities. Several meet 8, missing on #8 and #10 - size and game. Several others meet seven. Peterson, my favorite is in this category; missing on size, athletic ability and arm strength.

My position all along is that we don't draft a QB with our first pick.

I've wavered between rounds three and two, when to take a QB. If we don't trade back, we're going to need to draft with our second pick. If we can trade back and get another high third, we can get a QB in the top of the third.
 
steelbtexan said:
Agreed about the accuracy thingy.

Peterman played behind a much better OL so I'm interested in seeing how Kaaya performs behind a better OL.
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And the oline thing for the both of them is fair. But I guess that's kinda the thing right now with Kaaya, is that I do believe he can make some nice throws from a completely clean pocket, he's shown that. But what kind of plan of attack is just expecting a completely clean pocket? Meanwhile, and better oline or not, Peterman has shown to make more often than not good throws on the run, both in the natural flow of the sprintout offense and improvising against pressure.

Like I said though, I do kinda like Kaaya and am rather interested in his development. He's robotic and a little deer in the headlights at times, but the prototype build and mechanics are all there and I think he enjoys learning/playing the game. In contrast though Peterman just has gamer written all up and down his tape and I'll take his full attribute set every day of the week right now over Kaaya's interesting maybes.

Sincere question, how much do you believe a kid can improve on reacting to pressure?
 
steelbtexan said:
I've got a feeling that Mahomes will be gone by 25 and Kaaya will be the QB pick by Ricky in the 3rd.

I'm not sure hoe I feel about that. Kaaya/Peterman basically have the same skill set. I would like to know how Richt compares Kaaya to QB's he's been around like Kelly/Brad Johnson/Murray etc... But Ricky probably wont even talk to Richt. He will have the scouts talk to Richt maybe.

Bye Felicia
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The thing about Kaaya that bothers me is that he has been "groomed" at the QB position since the age of 8, going to QB camps and such. And with all this early age training and preparation, his accuracy is still inconsistant. Last year he completed only 38% beteen 11 and 20 yards. My concern is that he is what he is without much room for improvement.
 
Mollywhopper said:
And the oline thing for the both of them is fair. But I guess that's kinda the thing right now with Kaaya, is that I do believe he can make some nice throws from a completely clean pocket, he's shown that. But what kind of plan of attack is just expecting a completely clean pocket? Meanwhile, and better oline or not, Peterman has shown to make more often than not good throws on the run, both in the natural flow of the sprintout offense and improvising against pressure.

Like I said though, I do kinda like Kaaya and am rather interested in his development. He's robotic and a little deer in the headlights at times, but the prototype build and mechanics are all there and I think he enjoys learning/playing the game. In contrast though Peterman just has gamer written all up and down his tape and I'll take his full attribute set every day of the week right now over Kaaya's interesting maybes.

Sincere question, how much do you believe a kid can improve on reacting to pressure?
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I like Peterman more than Kaaya. The things Peterman is weak at can be improved upon. Montana had some of the same things being said about him that is being said about Peterman. (Not saying that P eterman will become Montana)

Montana remained cool under pressure and lead historic comebacks against great teams. (Houston) Peterman's comeback win against Clemson was also epic.

The negatives for both Montana/Peterman were/are arm strength and a bit of inconsistency from game to game. Tell me Peterman has Montana's work ethic and I take him in Rd.1.

I'm not sure Kaaya will ever have the things that I mentioned about Montana/Peterman. I honestly see Kaaya as a Schaub type NFL QB. Good but probably not good enough to win a SB, so I would pass on Kaaya. Although Kaaya is a very safe 3rd rd pick, which is why I think Kaaya will be Ricky's pick. # Texans worthy
 
BTW, I really enjoy this kind of draft talk.

If you want my thoughts on any players feel free to ask.

I want to get your thoughts on the top 3 OL and 2nd rd guys like Dorian Johnson (Who I think can play RT.) and Dawkins etc...
 
zshawn10 said:
He's not accurate but has great pocket presence. His own coach didn't give a great recommendation for him and saying he has Brady's brain and cam's body is a little much
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I don't think his coach said Kizer has Brady's brain and Cam's body. Kizer said that about himself. Or did you already know that and I read your post wrong?

His coach said Kizer needed to stay in school another year.

Not sure what has happened to the Irish lately, seems the wheels have fallen off the wagon. I think Kelly may be on a short leash.

:coffee:
 
steelbtexan said:
BTW, I really enjoy this kind of draft talk.

If you want my thoughts on any players feel free to ask.

I want to get your thoughts on the top 3 OL and 2nd rd guys like Dorian Johnson (Who I think can play RT.) and Dawkins etc...
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Looking at updated and current team needs, this morning, it appears there may be three teams with OT high, if not #1, on their priority list : NY Giants #23, Oakland Raiders #24 and Seattle Seahawks #26. It's very posssible that Ramcyzk, Bolles and Robinson could go off the boards in a mini run.

OT seems to be a high priorty for the Jacksonville Jaguars, but they won't spend their 1-4 pick on one. The rumor is they are high on Taylor Moton with their 2-35 pick.

For those of us who want an OT who can start day one, we have to draft one at 1-25. Or if we trade back, San Francisco is our only option or we risk losing out on the #4 OT. The next best prospect would likely be Dawkins.

(Edit) It's a bit late, but I have to add that Denver at 1-20 has OL as a priority.
 
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Number19 said:
Looking at updated and current team needs, this morning, it appears there may be three teams with OT high, if not #1, on their priority list : NY Giants #23, Oakland Raiders #24 and Seattle Seahawks #26. It's very posssible that Ramcyzk, Bolles and Robinson could go off the boards in a mini run.

OT seems to be a high priorty for the Jacksonville Jaguars, but they won't spend their 1-4 pick on one. The rumor is they are high on Taylor Moton with their 2-35 pick.

For those of us who want an OT who can start day one, we have to draft one at 1-25. Or if we trade back, San Francisco is our only option or we risk losing out on the #4 OT. The next best prospect would likely be Dawkins.
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This is interesting, but way too definitive

-Teams don't always draft by broadly perceived need
- Players are valued differently than we think by at some team if not the league in general
- unexpected players and/or trades change all of this in a blink of an eye
 
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cuppacoffee said:
I don't think his coach said Kizer has Brady's brain and Cam's body. Kizer said that about himself. Or did you already know that and I read your post wrong?

His coach said Kizer needed to stay in school another year.

Not sure what has happened to the Irish lately, seems the wheels have fallen off the wagon. I think Kelly may be on a short leash.

:coffee:
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His coach didn't say those things; those came from kizer himself. I probably should have clarified better. Knowing savage is probably going to get injured again, it wouldn't be too far fetched to think the rook could get playing time?
 
Number19 said:
Looking at updated and current team needs, this morning, it appears there may be three teams with OT high, if not #1, on their priority list : NY Giants #23, Oakland Raiders #24 and Seattle Seahawks #26. It's very posssible that Ramcyzk, Bolles and Robinson could go off the boards in a mini run.

OT seems to be a high priorty for the Jacksonville Jaguars, but they won't spend their 1-4 pick on one. The rumor is they are high on Taylor Moton with their 2-35 pick.

For those of us who want an OT who can start day one, we have to draft one at 1-25. Or if we trade back, San Francisco is our only option or we risk losing out on the #4 OT. The next best prospect would likely be Dawkins.
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I think there will be a run on OL's before QBs; that's also what Matt Miller, who talked to some team scouts, think as well
 
ArlingtonTexan said:
This is interesting, but way too definitive

-Teams don't always draft by broadly perceived need
- Players are valued differently than we think by at some team if not the league in general
- unexpected players and/or trades change all of this in a blink of an eye
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No pre-draft analysis is definitive. But I guarantee that every team is aware of the latest grapevine speculation when they go into the war room and is taken into account with their pre-draft strategy.
 
zshawn10 said:
His coach didn't say those things; those came from kizer himself. I probably should have clarified better. Knowing savage is probably going to get injured again, it wouldn't be too far fetched to think the rook could get playing time?
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Only if Weeden stunk it up or got injured in that scenario.
 
Number19 said:
No pre-draft analysis is definitive. But I guarantee that every team is aware of the latest grapevine speculation when they go into the war room and is taken into account with their pre-draft strategy.
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Nah..some of them are too busy flaming their won smokes screens for that...
 
Here is where I have landed on QBs a week out from the draft:

Round One:
DeShaun Watson
Patrick Mahomes
Deshone Kizer

Round Two:
Mitchell Trubisky

Round Three:
Nathan Peterman

Round Four:
Joshua Dobbs
CJ Bearthard
Davis Webb

Round Five:

Round Six:
Jerrod Evans

Round Seven
Taysom Hill

UDFA:
Cooper Rush
Ryan Higgins
Seth Russell
Nick Mullens

Existing Free Agents:
Colin Kaepernick
Josh Freeman

I'd like to come away with 2 of these guys at least.
 
kiwitexansfan said:
Here is where I have landed on QBs a week out from the draft:

Round One:
DeShaun Watson
Patrick Mahomes
Deshone Kizer

Round Two:
Mitchell Trubisky

Round Three:
Nathan Peterman

Round Four:
Joshua Dobbs
CJ Bearthard
Davis Webb

Round Five:

Round Six:
Jerrod Evans

Round Seven
Taysom Hill

UDFA:
Cooper Rush
Ryan Higgins
Seth Russell
Nick Mullens

Existing Free Agents:
Colin Kaepernick
Josh Freeman

I'd like to come away with 2 of these guys at least.
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that narrows it some but picking so late means we have to miss/trade up in a round or draft player above projection.
 
My guess for the round where the QB's fall has a few changes from Kiwitexansfan's. Mine are by round, not necessarily in order in each round.

Round One:
Mitchell Trubisky
DeShaun Watson
Patrick Mahomes

Round Two:
Nathan Peterman
Davis Webb
Deshone Kizer

Round Three:
Joshua Dobbs

Round Four:

Round Five:
Jerrod Evans
CJ Beathard

Round Six:
Chad Kelly

Round Seven

UDFA:
Taysom Hill
Cooper Rush
Ryan Higgins
Seth Russell
Nick Mullens
 
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kiwitexansfan said:
Here is where I have landed on QBs a week out from the draft:

Round One:
DeShaun Watson
Patrick Mahomes
Deshone Kizer

Round Two:
Mitchell Trubisky

Round Three:
Nathan Peterman

Round Four:
Joshua Dobbs
CJ Bearthard
Davis Webb

Round Five:

Round Six:
Jerrod Evans

Round Seven
Taysom Hill

UDFA:
Cooper Rush
Ryan Higgins
Seth Russell
Nick Mullens

Existing Free Agents:
Colin Kaepernick
Josh Freeman

I'd like to come away with 2 of these guys at least.
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Curious what you think Watson or Kizer offer throwing the football more than Trubisky.
 
kiwitexansfan said:
I guess throwing the football is not as important to me as some other factors.

I don't trust Trubisky, I think he's got a significant bust factor.
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Besides his number of starts I suppose I'm just not seeing the big criticism against his play, and certainly not in comparison to theirs. But fair play, bud.
 
kiwitexansfan said:
I guess throwing the football is not as important to me as some other factors.

I don't trust Trubisky, I think he's got a significant bust factor.
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I thought throwing the football along with leadership and decision making was the most sought out trait of a successful QB?

I think every QB in this draft has a significant bust factor. Do you not take the chance? Pros and cons to taking or not taking. Cleveland has been trying for year to find a QB, but has any QB there had the team to succeed? Not taking one and not having one is sure failure.
 
Mollywhopper said:
Besides his number of starts I suppose I'm just not seeing the big criticism against his play, and certainly not in comparison to theirs. But fair play, bud.
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To be clear I don't watch tape, I read other peoples opinions and process all that.

The starts concerns me, the footwork concerns me, the happy feet I've read about concerns me, read that he'll struggle to win team-mates over, some have suggested he didn't know what a hard count was on Grudens QB camp.
 
Bottom line is that there is no right answer at QB for the Texans, so if you are the front office do you want to roll the dice on any QBs or try to take a chance on them?
 
kiwitexansfan said:
To be clear I don't watch tape, I read other peoples opinions and process all that.

The starts concerns me, the footwork concerns me, the happy feet I've read about concerns me, read that he'll struggle to win team-mates over, some have suggested he didn't know what a hard count was on Grudens QB camp.
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You should really watch tape of these guys , Trust your own eyes .... and take what you hear with a grain of salt.

I had Kizer as my #1 coming into the season .... He's now fallen like a rock.


1) Mahomes
2) Trubisky
3) Peterman
4) Watson
5) Beathard
6) Kizer
7) Webb
 
maverick512000 said:
The GOAT also before the draft didn't talk about how he was going to be the GOAT. He just did it.

This has nothing to do with draft position and everything to do with the fact this kid's ego is writing checks his body hasn't proven it can cash.

Also when you talk about how great you are that doesn't tend to make people want you as their leader, just the opposite in fact.
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The Goat wasn't interview either. They didn't have this Gruden Show back then.

Hahaha

Man yall can be so snappy
 
disaacks3 said:
When has Savage proven he can run the offense at a "high level"??? FFS, he hasn't thrown a single TD.
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Smoke screens my friend. If he really felt that way, he wouldn't have brought Hoyer and Mallett in to compete for the starting job in which Savage was not included. Or signed Brock that hefty contract to be our starter last season.

Its all game.
 
disaacks3 said:
When has Savage proven he can run the offense at a "high level"??? FFS, he hasn't thrown a single TD.
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Smoke screens my friend. If he really felt that way, he wouldn't have brought Hoyer and Mallett in to compete for the starting job in which Savage was not included. Or signed Brock that hefty contract to be our starter last season.

Its all game.
Thorsson said:
Why are they just giving the starting job to Savage? Weeden is more durable, has more experience, stronger arm, etc. And in terms of football age, Weeden is younger than his years because he played baseball from his teens to mid-twenties and wasn't being planted into the turf by behemoth linemen.

All I'm saying, is that unlike last year, I hope there will be an actual QB competition in training camp this year. Handing the starting QB job without merit to Osweiler was probably the most ridiculous decision in franchise history!
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Weeden's agent is at it again. Haha

I believe it will be a competition thing between those two. And besides, it's a good chance your boy will be the day one starter. Savage might just get hurt during preseason. I surely hope he doesn't though.
 
Chris said:
Bottom line is that there is no right answer at QB for the Texans, so if you are the front office do you want to roll the dice on any QBs or try to take a chance on them?
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At this point, if I'm the Texans, I hire outside advisors to rank the available QBs in the draft...then try to move up to get one.
 
My best guess on where the QBs land:

1 - Trubisky (10-15 area), Watson (15-25 area), Mahomes (somebody trades up to 32, if not he goes in the first few picks of the 2nd)

2 - Kizer (top half), Peterman (mid to late)

3 - Webb, Kaaya

4 - Dobbs

5 - Beathard

6 - Evans

7 - Kelly
 
bah007 said:
My best guess on where the QBs land:

1 - Trubisky (10-15 area), Watson (15-25 area), Mahomes (somebody trades up to 32, if not he goes in the first few picks of the 2nd)

2 - Kizer (top half), Peterman (mid to late)

3 - Webb, Kaaya

4 - Dobbs

5 - Beathard

6 - Evans

7 - Kelly
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I wouldn't be surprised if Kelly goes undrafted with all of the off field issues he's had. Kid seems to be a head case.
 
Chris said:
Bottom line is that there is no right answer at QB for the Texans, so if you are the front office do you want to roll the dice on any QBs or try to take a chance on them?
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We don't know that. If O'b feels good about one of these guys, then he's the right answer. If we just grab a guy to grab a guy, I think the chances of that guy being really good is slim. But if O'b finds a guy he thinks is perfect for what he wants to do, he'll find a way to make him successful.

The only point I really want to make, is that even though these guys may not be high first round quality, & we may not be in love with them, it really only matters what O'b thinks... or Rick.
 
thunderkyss said:
We don't know that. If O'b feels good about one of these guys, then he's the right answer. If we just grab a guy to grab a guy, I think the chances of that guy being really good is slim. But if O'b finds a guy he thinks is perfect for what he wants to do, he'll find a way to make him successful.

The only point I really want to make, is that even though these guys may not be high first round quality, & we may not be in love with them, it really only matters what O'b thinks... or Rick.
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I think OB has his guy in Tom Savage. I could see the Texans drafting Peterman or Webb in the middle rounds, but not drafting a QB in the first two rounds.
 
For those high on Peterman, can you explain why?

I don't mean this in a negative way...I just have zero experience evaluating QBs (or any position lol). From the two games I've watched he seems to be somewhat inaccurate beyond 10 yards and mainly relies on screens and YAC. It's a small sample size, so I feel I'm definitely missing something.

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disaacks3 said:
I'm guessing O'Brien "felt good" about Hoyer and/or Mallett" too.

The Texans could do an entire season of "Where are They Now?"...just using our former QBs.
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Rumor was that Rick & Godsey had a thing for Mallet. O'b never liked him. Who knows.

But you're right. He definitely felt good about Hoyer, & I think he felt good about Osweiler, until he started coaching him.

We're screwed.
 
frethack said:
For those high on Peterman, can you explain why?

I don't mean this in a negative way...I just have zero experience evaluating QBs (or any position lol). From the two games I've watched he seems to be somewhat inaccurate beyond 10 yards and mainly relies on screens and YAC. It's a small sample size, so I feel I'm definitely missing something.

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Your observation is fairly accurate. Peterman is a game manager and has been described as "taking what the defense gives him". He doens't throw deep as often as most of the other QB's in this draft, but ccompletes about 50% of his deep passes. In one statistic he is the highest rated QB, YPA (yards per attempt). He is the only QB over 9. He is very good at finding the open receiver on the short or intermediate route that allows the YAC.

Peterman was very good at running his college offense and should be a quick learner to run the same offense in the NFL. The question to be asked is, how much upside does he have to expand beyond his current capabilities.

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