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What's your plan for QB next season?

gs27 said:
I don't want to throw the farm at another untested QB. I wouldn't even throw that package at Cousins who is tested.
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If they do "throw the farm" at a QB, whether in the draft or trade, or FA... as long as they do it for the right reasons & follow through, I don't have a problem with it. If the Texans felt about JimmyG the way Steelb does, I could understand the move. However, I'm one who believe N.E. drafted Garoppolo when they did to try to force us to pony up for Mallett... hell will freeze over before I give them anything to get Garoppolo.

The thing I hate the worst about the Osweiler deal is that they gave up a 2nd round pick to get rid of him. The next thing is that I don't think they followed through. I don't think they were dedicated to making Brock successful. The playcalling was the big thing.

Then to hear he & O'b didn't get along, that it almost got physical on at least one occasion... I'm very disappointed. I understand some folks don't like coaches who expresses himself by yelling at grown men. Me, I think some grown men need to get yelled at from time to time. But this seems like a bad pattern for O'b. IMO, Mallett was a fine prospect. Osweiler was a fine prospect. Maybe not franchise, hall of fame, super bowl winning prospects, but they should have been the "at least better than Hoyer to give us a chance" type of prospects. I don't think it was their play that sealed their fate in Houston. But not being able to get along with the head coach.

Fool me once... & all that.
 
thunderkyss said:
If they do "throw the farm" at a QB, whether in the draft or trade, or FA... as long as they do it for the right reasons & follow through, I don't have a problem with it. If the Texans felt about JimmyG the way Steelb does, I could understand the move. However, I'm one who believe N.E. drafted Garoppolo when they did to try to force us to pony up for Mallett... hell will freeze over before I give them anything to get Garoppolo.

The thing I hate the worst about the Osweiler deal is that they gave up a 2nd round pick to get rid of him. The next thing is that I don't think they followed through. I don't think they were dedicated to making Brock successful. The playcalling was the big thing.

Then to hear he & O'b didn't get along, that it almost got physical on at least one occasion... I'm very disappointed. I understand some folks don't like coaches who expresses himself by yelling at grown men. Me, I think some grown men need to get yelled at from time to time. But this seems like a bad pattern for O'b. IMO, Mallett was a fine prospect. Osweiler was a fine prospect. Maybe not franchise, hall of fame, super bowl winning prospects, but they should have been the "at least better than Hoyer to give us a chance" type of prospects. I don't think it was their play that sealed their fate in Houston. But not being able to get along with the head coach.

Fool me once... & all that.
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I think that's a great way to put it.
 
So Kizer is pretty delusional:

Former Notre Dame quarterback DeShone Kizer is certainly not lacking for confidence.

Kizer told Tom Pelissero of USA Today that he believes he has a combination of Tom Brady’s brain and Cam Newton’s body and can put that together into one package that can be the best quarterback in NFL history.

“Name a college quarterback who goes into the game-plan meetings on Monday and throws his notes at the coaches,” Kizer said. “No one else game plans the way I do. No one else prepares the way I do. No one else knows football the way I do. No one else is as big as I am. No one else is as powerful a runner as I am. Pat Mahomes might throw the ball 80 yards and I can only throw the ball 72, but I guarantee he can’t throw an out route the way I can. No one else can do what I can do. And I’ve truly figured out in this process, if I can maximize all my potential in every aspect of the game – this is bold – I do have the ability to be the greatest quarterback to ever play. Imagine taking Brady’s intellect and Brady’s preparation and putting it on a guy with Cam Newton’s body. Why can’t I be the greatest? The only thing stopping me from it is me. That’s what’s driving me now.”
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http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...-i-have-tom-bradys-brain-in-cam-newtons-body/
 
I find it funny that you guys are talking about Kizer, I'm warming to him as a prospect.

As for these comments, what is he supposed to say, that he's an average prospect. He's selling himself in the biggest job opportunity of his life.
 
kiwitexansfan said:
I find it funny that you guys are talking about Kizer, I'm warming to him as a prospect.

As for these comments, what is he supposed to say, that he's an average prospect. He's selling himself in the biggest job opportunity of his life.
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On the one hand I like a QB who wants to be great.

On the other hand I don't really care for the ones who think they are.
 
kiwitexansfan said:
I find it funny that you guys are talking about Kizer, I'm warming to him as a prospect.

As for these comments, what is he supposed to say, that he's an average prospect. He's selling himself in the biggest job opportunity of his life.
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I'm all for selling yourself in an interview, if you don't no one else will, but there is selling yourself and then there is claiming to be the future GOAT. The true greats don't have to brag to everyone about how great they are, their actions do it for them.

If Kizer had been a lengendary QB in college and lead any team he played for to championship after championship then maybe he could talk all that good ****. Of course if that was the case he wouldn't need to because the talking heads would be doing it for him by asking which team will be blessed to have him like they did with Luck.

As it is he's not even the top pick in what many think is a very weak QB class. Hell most don't even have him going top 15. Maybe he proves them all wrong and does become the next GOAT. Right now though he's just a kid talking the talk without even putting his shoes on to walk the walk.

Also coaches in general, and pro level coaches in particular, don't like being told how you throw your notes and the coach and basically are saying you already know everything there is to know about the game. Kizer may just have shot himself in the ass while he was shooting his mouth off.
 
maverick512000 said:
I'm all for selling yourself in an interview, if you don't no one else will, but there is selling yourself and then there is claiming to be the future GOAT. The true greats don't have to brag to everyone about how great they are, their actions do it for them.

If Kizer had been a lengendary QB in college and lead any team he played for to championship after championship then maybe he could talk all that good ****. Of course if that was the case he wouldn't need to because the talking heads would be doing it for him by asking which team will be blessed to have him like they did with Luck.

As it is he's not even the top pick in what many think is a very weak QB class. Hell most don't even have him going top 15. Maybe he proves them all wrong and does become the next GOAT. Right now though he's just a kid talking the talk without even putting his shoes on to walk the walk.

Also coaches in general, and pro level coaches in particular, don't like being told how you throw your notes and the coach and basically are saying you already know everything there is to know about the game. Kizer may just have shot himself in the ass while he was shooting his mouth off.
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The GOAT was a 6th rounder.

Draft position isn't the be all and end all.

You gotta believe in yourself to be a leader and a QB has gotta be a leader.
 
amazing80 said:
Even if we roll with Savage and Weeden, which is a very real possibility, we need another QB. Do we sign Keenum or Yates just to have "experience", do we draft a round player (whether its round 1 or undrafted). The suspense is killing me.
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I think Weeden can play. He's started 25 games for three different teams and he's been here long enough to know the offense. Oddly enough I have no real doubts about Brandon Weeden as our #2.

The new QB needs to be an early round rookie prospect so that if Savage isn't the guy then we have a next step to go to. If Savage does grab the job and run away with it then we have our own young QB prospect under contract who we can then maybe trade away if he proves unneeded.

It sure would be nice to get some of those draft picks coming back in this direction on QB deals for a change.
 
kiwitexansfan said:
The GOAT was a 6th rounder.

Draft position isn't the be all and end all.

You gotta believe in yourself to be a leader and a QB has gotta be a leader.
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The GOAT also before the draft didn't talk about how he was going to be the GOAT. He just did it.

This has nothing to do with draft position and everything to do with the fact this kid's ego is writing checks his body hasn't proven it can cash.

Also when you talk about how great you are that doesn't tend to make people want you as their leader, just the opposite in fact.
 
Hervoyel said:
I think Weeden can play. He's started 25 games for three different teams and he's been here long enough to know the offense. Oddly enough I have no real doubts about Brandon Weeden as our #2.

The new QB needs to be an early round rookie prospect so that if Savage isn't the guy then we have a next step to go to. If Savage does grab the job and run away with it then we have our own young QB prospect under contract who we can then maybe trade away if he proves unneeded.

It sure would be nice to get some of those draft picks coming back in this direction on QB deals for a change.
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Amen.

I've told folks that we needed a contingency plan for Romo if we got him, since there wasn't any way we'd get 16 games out of him. I feel the same way about Savage.

We don't need a rookie QB to be ready for Game 1. We need one that'll be ready for Game 4-5, if we're taking one in the 1st round.
 
This is what CBS Sports said today:

Houston Texans
Round Overall Player Notes
1 16 QB Patrick Mahomes II from Baltimore*
1 25 Traded to Baltimore
2 57 Traded to Baltimore
3 89 S Marcus Maye
4 130 Traded to Miami
4 142 CB Brian Allen from Cleveland
5 166 Traded to NY Jets from Miami*
5 169 ILB Blair Brown
5 184 TE Bucky Hodges from Miami*
6 191 OT Brad Seaton from NY Jets*
7 243 Traded to Baltimore


DE Sheldon Richardson from NY Jets*
The Texans are left in quite the pickle at quarterback, and you'd figure that if they can't find a potential starter in the draft, they'll have to turn to free agency to try and make one fit. So when Mahomes makes it out of the top 13 – which may be unexpected with several teams in the top half scouting the top quarterbacks -- Houston gives up the Nos. 25, 57 and 243 picks along with a 2018 fourth to leap up nine spots for the Texas Tech prospect. Coach Bill O'Brien reportedly likes him, so it's time to put those QB whisperer credentials to the test and turn the high-ceiling Mahomes into the starter for a Super Bowl contender.

The big trade keeps the Texans off the clock until late on Day 2 when they add a versatile safety in Maye who could start at either spot in Houston. In an attempt to recoup one of their picks, the Texans swap their fourth-rounder for two fifths, then use the first of those to land Sheldon Richardson from the Jets. Houston has the cap space to fit Richardson for 2017, and he gives the defensive line a huge talent boost while providing as a star insurance policy for J.J. Watt.

Aside from the talented veteran, the Texans land four depth players on Day 3: a big cornerback who needs work if he's going to develop into a starter, an inside linebacker with great instincts, a value tight end who would go higher in a less-stocked class at the position, and a potential swing tackle.
 
maverick512000 said:
The GOAT also before the draft didn't talk about how he was going to be the GOAT. He just did it.

This has nothing to do with draft position and everything to do with the fact this kid's ego is writing checks his body hasn't proven it can cash.

Also when you talk about how great you are that doesn't tend to make people want you as their leader, just the opposite in fact.
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Actually Brady walked up to Kraft and said this is the best decision your organization has ever made or something very close. As a 6th rounder. Who didn't play. And won nothing.
 
The 22-year-old Brady was just as confident as the 34-year-old version that takes the field every Sunday for the Patriots.

“I still have the image of Tom Brady coming down the old Foxboro stadium steps with that pizza box under his arm, a skinny beanpole, and when he introduced himself to me and said ‘Hi Mr. Kraft,’ he was about to say who he was, but I said ‘I know who you are, you’re Tom Brady. You’re our sixth round draft choice,’” recalled Kraft. “And he looked me in the eye and said ‘I’m the best decision this organization has ever made.’ It looks like he could be right.”
 
patrick‏ @PatDStat
“I do.” Rick Smith on if he is comfortable with Tom Savage as the starter. #Texans12:36 PM · Apr 21, 2017

Rick Smith on Tom Savage: "He's proven he understands this offense. He's proven he can play at a high level."

Rick Smith explains what he's looking for in a quarterback during his news conference with media prior to the Draft (Leadership, Work ethic, Ability to rally people, Ability to command a room, Ability to handle adversity, Arm strength, Athletic ability, Certain size variables, Playing history, Style of offense he came from)

Smith on QB: "It's difficult to play QB as a rookie in this league. It's rare that you get a guy to play at high level early, but it's possible."

Smith "We evaluate strictly on talent. You open yourself to being inaccurate if you evaluate on need."

Smith "Our coaches do a nice job (in scouting process). We try to get specific as to what we think (coaches) vision is for our team."
 
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The full article on Smith being ok with Savage as the starter.

Smith said he would feel comfortable if Savage was the Texans' Week 1 starter.

"I think he's proven that he understands this offense," Smith said. "I think he's proven that he can play at a high level in the offense. He's been injured, so he hasn't had an extended amount of time to do that, but I am comfortable with that."
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zshawn10 said:
patrick‏ @PatDStat
“I do.” Rick Smith on if he is comfortable with Tom Savage as the starter. #Texans12:36 PM · Apr 21, 2017

Rick Smith on Tom Savage: "He's proven he understands this offense. He's proven he can play at a high level."

Rick Smith explains what he's looking for in a quarterback during his news conference with media prior to the Draft (Leadership, Work ethic, Ability to rally people, Ability to command a room, Ability to handle adversity, Arm strength, Athletic ability, Certain size variables, Playing history, Style of offense he came from)

Smith on QB: "It's difficult to play QB as a rookie in this league. It's rare that you get a guy to play at high level early, but it's possible."

Smith "We evaluate strictly on talent. You open yourself to being inaccurate if you evaluate on need."

Smith "Our coaches do a nice job (in scouting process). We try to get specific as to what we think (coaches) vision is for our team."
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When has Savage proven he can run the offense at a "high level"??? FFS, he hasn't thrown a single TD.
 
disaacks3 said:
When has Savage proven he can run the offense at a "high level"??? FFS, he hasn't thrown a single TD.
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At this point, after several years of the quarterback circle jerk shuffle here in Houston, I have ZERO respect for Rick Smith or Bill O'Brien's opinion on Quarterback issues. Nothing would surprise me at this point.
 
So, after all these posts, what are our plans for a QB this season?

If they don't include cursing, throwing things at the TV, over drinking and drug abuse you're doing it wrong.
 
disaacks3 said:
When has Savage proven he can run the offense at a "high level"??? FFS, he hasn't thrown a single TD.
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I wonder if they realize that just because they say good things about a guy it doesn't make them true.

Every year we have heard about how great such and such is despite the fact that they hadn't proven anything.
 
Thorn said:
So, after all these posts, what are our plans for a QB this season?

If they don't include cursing, throwing things at the TV, over drinking and drug abuse you're doing it wrong.
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heck Thorn tv doesn't even have to be on for some of that..
 
Thorn said:
So, after all these posts, what are our plans for a QB this season?

If they don't include cursing, throwing things at the TV, over drinking and drug abuse you're doing it wrong.
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As long as it doesn't feature The Brockening, I'm going to be happier.
 
xtruroyaltyx said:
I wonder if they realize that just because they say good things about a guy it doesn't make them true.

Every year we have heard about how great such and such is despite the fact that they hadn't proven anything.
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Bob McNair pretty much said he needs to stay healthy before we can get excited about him
 
xtruroyaltyx said:
I wonder if they realize that just because they say good things about a guy it doesn't make them true.

Every year we have heard about how great such and such is despite the fact that they hadn't proven anything.
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To be fair what are they suppose to say?

"We're just praying that Tom can at least take a snap and doesn't break a leg or something running out on the field."

Just because you know you're boned doesn't mean you go out and tell everyone that.
 
Savage played in 2 games 2014 no touchdowns, missed the entire 2015 season due to injury, played in 3 games 2016 no touchdowns ended the season with a concussion and as I recall he wasn't exactly moving the offense up and down the field. I certainly hope they have a good backup plan just in case. We did somehow manage to win two division titles during the three year timeframe but I don't think Savage had a whole lot to do with that.
 
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maverick512000 said:
To be fair what are they suppose to say?

"We're just praying that Tom can at least take a snap and doesn't break a leg or something running out on the field."

Just because you know you're boned doesn't mean you go out and tell everyone that.
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That actually wasn't even the point of my post but...

I always see this argument and honestly it's always been silly to me.

It's like the Kizer thing....

Talking negatively about yourself and talking yourself up aren't the only options. There are tons of teams/people that say something a long the lines of "He's a hard worker, we're confident in his ability and we just want him to continue to work and prove it everyday" or something of the sort.

But like I said, that wasn't even the point of my post. It's about what those guys they talk up actually do. It's about a pattern that they have established. They go out of their way to defend and heap praise on guys that everyone else looks at and are like meh, whatever, prove it....and then the games begin and it's like well, damn...ok then....

Team hasn't earned my benefit of the doubt at this point; not that it matters at all...but hey...this is a message board and we all spout our opinions here.
 
Why are they just giving the starting job to Savage? Weeden is more durable, has more experience, stronger arm, etc. And in terms of football age, Weeden is younger than his years because he played baseball from his teens to mid-twenties and wasn't being planted into the turf by behemoth linemen.

All I'm saying, is that unlike last year, I hope there will be an actual QB competition in training camp this year. Handing the starting QB job without merit to Osweiler was probably the most ridiculous decision in franchise history!
 
zshawn10 said:
patrick‏ @PatDStat
“I do.” Rick Smith on if he is comfortable with Tom Savage as the starter. #Texans12:36 PM · Apr 21, 2017

Rick Smith on Tom Savage: "He's proven he understands this offense. He's proven he can play at a high level."

Rick Smith explains what he's looking for in a quarterback during his news conference with media prior to the Draft (Leadership, Work ethic, Ability to rally people, Ability to command a room, Ability to handle adversity, Arm strength, Athletic ability, Certain size variables, Playing history, Style of offense he came from)

Smith on QB: "It's difficult to play QB as a rookie in this league. It's rare that you get a guy to play at high level early, but it's possible."

Smith "We evaluate strictly on talent. You open yourself to being inaccurate if you evaluate on need."

Smith "Our coaches do a nice job (in scouting process). We try to get specific as to what we think (coaches) vision is for our team."
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All this adds up to "We're taking a QB in late 2nd or 3rd"
 
Thorsson said:
Why are they just giving the starting job to Savage? Weeden is more durable, has more experience, stronger arm, etc. And in terms of football age, Weeden is younger than his years because he played baseball from his teens to mid-twenties and wasn't being planted into the turf by behemoth linemen.

All I'm saying, is that unlike last year, I hope there will be an actual QB competition in training camp this year. Handing the starting QB job without merit to Osweiler was probably the most ridiculous decision in franchise history!
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Not that's there's a big sample size either way, but tbh in both of their limited time seeing the field Weeden looked better to me.
 
Don't know if this has been posted, here is what Smith is looking for in a QB. I'm thinking this is listed pretty much in order of importance.
 
Thorsson said:
Why are they just giving the starting job to Savage? Weeden is more durable, has more experience, stronger arm, etc. And in terms of football age, Weeden is younger than his years because he played baseball from his teens to mid-twenties and wasn't being planted into the turf by behemoth linemen.

All I'm saying, is that unlike last year, I hope there will be an actual QB competition in training camp this year. Handing the starting QB job without merit to Osweiler was probably the most ridiculous decision in franchise history!
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Well, last year they competed for the #2 job... & Savage won. They most likely assessed each of them as the season went on & Savage remained the back up & was awarded the starting job when Bill finally had enough of Osweiler.

A QB competition between Savage & Weeden this offseason would be redundant. & obviously they feel like they have enough information to go forward with the depth chart as it was at the end of the season.

However, whether they say it or not (remember, there was no QB competition in Seattle. Wilson simply impressed them during workouts & training camp, Flynn didn't) players are evaluated on a daily basis. If they see something that makes them believe a QB other than Savage gives them the best chances to win, they'll make the change. Like Flynn, Savage doesn't have any experience to speak of. A game here or there. A big part of signing Brock Osweiler was that he played well enough in 7 meaningful games against quality opponents to win 5 of them. I can understand if they saw something in practice they didn't like but thought they would see the guy who played in Denver during the regular season. But... if they did, you wouldn't think it would have taken 15 weeks to make a change.

Anyway. If things play out the way most fear, Weeden will have a chance to win the starting job.
 
Chris said:
Then he should have stayed Norte Dame for 1 more year
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I don't know. The issues are there & it doesn't look like Notre Dame was doing anything about them. They just want to win, they're not worried about preparing him for the NFL. He'll get more relevant "seasoning" in training camp & running the scout team than he would at NFL. Another year at Notre Dame would ingrain the bad habits even more.
 
leebigeztx said:
As I said before, if I didn't have play the qb early, I would take Kizer . He can drive the ball and put it in tight, tight windows. He just needs seasoning.
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He's not accurate but has great pocket presence. His own coach didn't give a great recommendation for him and saying he has Brady's brain and cam's body is a little much
 
I've got a feeling that Mahomes will be gone by 25 and Kaaya will be the QB pick by Ricky in the 3rd.

I'm not sure hoe I feel about that. Kaaya/Peterman basically have the same skill set. I would like to know how Richt compares Kaaya to QB's he's been around like Kelly/Brad Johnson/Murray etc... But Ricky probably wont even talk to Richt. He will have the scouts talk to Richt maybe.

Bye Felicia
 
steelbtexan said:
I've got a feeling that Mahomes will be gone by 25 and Kaaya will be the QB pick by Ricky in the 3rd.

I'm not sure hoe I feel about that. Kaaya/Peterman basically have the same skill set. I would like to know how Richt compares Kaaya to QB's he's been around like Murray?

Bye Felicia
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Wouldn't say same skill set. Similar in so far as nothing truly eyepopping across the board, but not really the same. Peterman's accuracy is well more consistent and his ability to handle duress and make improv plays stands out vs Kaaya, imo.

I kinda like Kaaya as a couple/few years out project. I certainly like Peterman as a guy who could see playing time in '17 while possibly taking the reigns in '18.
 
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