I'm still on the Savage bandwagon. A bit concerned with injuries but not enough to trade for another unproven Brady backup. If they do it, I'll still like Savage but, as always, I'll be pulling for the best player to win the starting job.
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What's your plan for QB next season?
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I don't know that that's their minimum. No one does.
That's as complex as I've made this.
There will be at least 3 that will have a better career than Osweiler.
There might be a dozen or more that are better QB prospects, but may never get to play much, if at all, in the NFL; some simply because they don't have the size, the arm strength... or "the look".
FIFY...There will be at least 3 that should have a better career than Osweiler.
There might be a dozen or more that are better QB prospects, but may never get to play much, if at all, in the NFL; some simply because they don't have the size, the arm strength... or "the look".
I love football and have always supported Houston teams in all sports. There are 2 reasons I keep my tickets. 1. $5,000 in PSL $$$$ and 2. My wife loves going to the gmes, it keeps her interesed in football which allows me to watch as much football as I want without any blow back. This is priceless. She's even enjoying a FF league that I talked her into joining.
As for the QB position, I wanted Ricky to draft Jimmy G instead of XSF. I dont look at him as just another Pats backup QB. He's really talented. If they dont trade for Jimmy G, which they wont. Then my plan B would be to sign Cutler after he's released to a 1-2 yr deal and draft Mahomes. I would carry 4 QB's next yr, 1. Cutler 2. Savage 3. Mahomes 4. Os who would be a sunk cost and would never play another down for the Texans. Keeping Os would save 6 mil that would be appropriated towards signing Cutler. The cost of this is Os taking up a roster spot.
Do I think any of this will happen? After listening to Little Ricky McNair talk about how Os was a rookie last yr, the answer is no, it will never happen. Why? because the Texans org is unwilling to admit that signing Os was a mistake and move on. McNair has basically said the same thing. It's the company line in regards to Os. BOB is the only person in the org not to fall into the company line in regards to Os this offseason.
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When I look at guys coming out of college that is one of the things I look for. However, in the pros QBs don't hold it as high as I think they should... for the reason you pointed out & ball security.
Personally I think it's a negative mark for someone as inexperienced as Osweiler to already be dropping his hold point, but, he doesn't hold it as low as many. It is a positive mark, in my mind, that Peyton still holds the ball the way he was taught to.
Everytime I criticize college QBs for holding the ball low, someone retorts with this guy
It's been stated that they can designate Osweiler a June 1st cut. It would be a net savings of 0 dollars on the 2017 cap & effectively save us $15M on the 2018 cap.
That way he won't even cost us a roster spot.
We should roll with Cutler now? Lol!
Cutler would be an improvement over Os , hell my sister would be an improvement over Os .... might be a fall back plan if you cant get a Garappolo or McCarron , assuming you get him cheap with outs in the contract.
jradMIT
Veteran
I still think that the Pats don't have complete leverage. I think the high end of what they can get is the browns 13th pick and another mid rounder, they seem to be only team that is desperate and not so smart. The Pats have to trade him this year or either Franchise him next year or let him walk. Teams can wait out the situation to a certain extent, plus its doubtful they would trade him to a good team in conference, so X HOU, DEN, KC so their are only a handful of teams, add in the fact that teams that really bad CLE, SF, LAR, CHI, have a lot of holes to fill, teams on the verge of being a SB caliber teams are more likely to give up alot, but then they don't have as good of a 1st. Arizona maybe if Palmer retires. Also bad teams know they will be bad next year, they have the option to just wait till next years QB's, who they can keep under control for cheap for 4 years. Its not like this guy in the only option especially if you are building for the future. Yes the guy looked good, but it was only 1.5 games. He's not proven, he's not some can't miss uber talented prospect, also he seemed to not protect himself and got injured in his second game. These are reasons to not overpay for him. LAR already have a young qb, so it would then be between CLE, SF,CHI, and possibly ARZ. So the market is not as big, and these teams have options. I think CLE is the best fit, if they want to get the full asking price there are not many more places that make a lot of sense.
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Here's Johnny!
Noob
I don't get the whole "if you don't like it, why are you still here? Why don't you just pick a new team?"
The only reason I halfway care about the Texans is because I just happen to live in Houston. If I moved to another city, I wouldn't give a flip about them. This is why I never understood all the residual Titans' fans in Houston after they moved. If where I moved had an NFL team then I would start following them. I have no vested interest in the Texans and stand to gain no financial windfall from them, win or lose. I follow them because it's (literally) the only game in town. What fun would it be to just randomly pick another team in another city and declare, "I'm a Brown's fan now, By Gawd!"?
The only reason I halfway care about the Texans is because I just happen to live in Houston. If I moved to another city, I wouldn't give a flip about them. This is why I never understood all the residual Titans' fans in Houston after they moved. If where I moved had an NFL team then I would start following them. I have no vested interest in the Texans and stand to gain no financial windfall from them, win or lose. I follow them because it's (literally) the only game in town. What fun would it be to just randomly pick another team in another city and declare, "I'm a Brown's fan now, By Gawd!"?
jradMIT
Veteran
Per Walter Football Rumor Mill
One team that has been rumored to be in the market for trading for Garoppolo is the Houston Texans. However, in speaking with Texans sources, that is very unlikely. Houston doesn't sound willing to be interested in dealing the necessary picks for Garoppolo. The Texans are definitely in the market to add talent to their quarterback competition, but they are more likely to select a signal-caller in the early rounds of the 2017 NFL Draft.
According to sources, if the Texans do acquire a veteran, it would probably be a free agent like Jay Cutler or Tony Romo if they were released and willing to take a cheap contract. The Texans are the only playoff team in the market for a starting quarterback, so if either Cutler or Romo wants a shot to win before the end of their careers, Houston could be their best opportunity. The Texans won't be able to offer a big contract for either veteran because of the money taken up by Brock Osweiler. Thus, the most likely move will be taking a quarterback prospect with one of their early picks in the 2017 NFL Draft.
One team that has been rumored to be in the market for trading for Garoppolo is the Houston Texans. However, in speaking with Texans sources, that is very unlikely. Houston doesn't sound willing to be interested in dealing the necessary picks for Garoppolo. The Texans are definitely in the market to add talent to their quarterback competition, but they are more likely to select a signal-caller in the early rounds of the 2017 NFL Draft.
According to sources, if the Texans do acquire a veteran, it would probably be a free agent like Jay Cutler or Tony Romo if they were released and willing to take a cheap contract. The Texans are the only playoff team in the market for a starting quarterback, so if either Cutler or Romo wants a shot to win before the end of their careers, Houston could be their best opportunity. The Texans won't be able to offer a big contract for either veteran because of the money taken up by Brock Osweiler. Thus, the most likely move will be taking a quarterback prospect with one of their early picks in the 2017 NFL Draft.
You completely missed the point of that post. The point of that post was to illustrate that we aren't desperate like the Vikings were when they lost their starter the week before the regular season started. In order to keep their playoff hopes alive, they wanted an experienced starter so they HAD to pay a ransom.
Or are you telling me they would have been better off just rolling with 37-yr old Shaun Hill?
The Texans aren't desperate like that at all. So why should we pay a ransom in draft picks?? I don't have anything against going for Garoppolo if that's what O'Brien wants to do. I just think we shouldn't do what you said was dumb, overpay. Like some say we did for Osweiler
There's no rush. We still have Savage and Osweiler who have had time in this system. Why not give one of those guys a 2nd year in this system and use those picks to build the team around the starter?
If you're referring to me, SBT and I have been talking Texans football together for a lot of years on here. The reason I asked is because we do have an emotional attachment to the Texans. He has a financial investment in the team. If I were as displeased with the team as he sometimes seems to be, I could follow another team. I wasn't being snide at all. I was asking an honest question. I even put that in my post.
Here's Johnny!
Noob
Got it. That makes sense. I have, however, seen that question posted before and never understood the rationale.
Jimmy G has time in the system and should be pretty much up to speed on the concepts and what he's seeing. I'm with you though. It's a well known fact that I dislike giving up draft picks, especially to BB. He's a Jedi Master in this and will get maximum value. It's like playing playing poker for the 1st time against a card shark. I'm not a Rick Smith hater, but I doubt he can outwit BB. It's a seller's market with Jimmy G and like TK pointed out, the Texans are not 1 player away from contention. OL and ILB needs to be addressed.
banned1976
sleeper mode
I believe the Vikings gave up a 1st and 4th. That's not what I would consider a ransom. But Jimmy G will come at a higher price.
I really wanted the Texans to draft Garoppolo. I did a lot of research on him prior to the 2014 draft. Not just his film but interviews. In one of the interviews during his senior year someone asked him why he didn't have a girlfriend during his college years and he said I just want to concentrate on football and help win games for my team. I thought, Ok, he looks good on film and he has a JJ Watt attitude. Even as of August 2016, when asked about his status, "no girlfriend, single right now. All in good time."
If all it took was a 1st and 4th to get Jimmy, I'd do that deal every day.
You could draft a OL/ILB in the 2nd/3rd rds. Heck you could dradft an OL in the 2nd then trade back into the 2nd using a 2nd-5th (Remember late 2nd) for a ILB. My favorites are Taylor Moton/Hassan Reddick for late 2nd rd picks.
Bottom line, none of this matters if they dont find a capable QB. I've studied Jimmy G quite a bit and he's my guy.
Most people who think Jimmy G is just another Pats backup QB like Mallett dont know much if anything about Jimmy G, his talent or his background.
Dutchrudder
Hall of Fame
Rodgers does hold the ball a bit low when scrambling and sitting in the pocket, but he actually cheats a bit here and raises the ball as he locks onto a target, right before he throws it. It's kind of funny to watch him go through progressions as he raises the ball slightly when he's zeroing in on a receiver, then lowers it a bit as he scans for another target. When he's on the run, he takes a long wind up and avoids the quick release he normally tosses.
Brock has more of a Tim Tebow motion from what I can see. I know this isn't the best play to show his motion, but it's the first one I found with a slowed view and HD quality. You can see he's not under pressure, swings the ball low, and comes up over his head with a U shaped hand holding the ball from the underside. His hand is also pretty far from the rest of his body, which is probably due to his arm length and height, but it's not mechanically ideal for a passer. Anyways, I really do think there are fundamental issues with his delivery that could be improved, but I do think his slow throwing motion is part of the problem and also contributes to his inability to hit receivers in stride.
banned1976
sleeper mode
He's all about football.
Here's Johnny!
Noob
Rodgers does hold the ball a bit low when scrambling and sitting in the pocket, but he actually cheats a bit here and raises the ball as he locks onto a target, right before he throws it. It's kind of funny to watch him go through progressions as he raises the ball slightly when he's zeroing in on a receiver, then lowers it a bit as he scans for another target. When he's on the run, he takes a long wind up and avoids the quick release he normally tosses.
Brock has more of a Tim Tebow motion from what I can see. I know this isn't the best play to show his motion, but it's the first one I found with a slowed view and HD quality. You can see he's not under pressure, swings the ball low, and comes up over his head with a U shaped hand holding the ball from the underside. His hand is also pretty far from the rest of his body, which is probably due to his arm length and height, but it's not mechanically ideal for a passer. Anyways, I really do think there are fundamental issues with his delivery that could be improved, but I do think his slow throwing motion is part of the problem and also contributes to his inability to hit receivers in stride.
Watching Brock wiiiind up to throw is 5 minutes of my life I'm never getting back.
Texecutioner
Hall of Fame
We get Cutler, and we might as well tank.
I'd rather watch the entire organization and the fan base humiliate themselves again going 2-14 if they were that stupid. I'd root for it actually.
Cutler shouldn't get a job anywhere. Not even as a backup.
I've never been enamored with Garoppolo. I even thought the Patriots over drafted him.
I didn't see a starter in him coming out of college & still don't see some one worth trading for.
I didn't see a starter in him coming out of college & still don't see some one worth trading for.
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
Thought I'd see what all the fuss is about. Admittedly, I'm not a draftnik so I don't go all fan-boy on any young QB.
But you guys must be seeing something.
Dude has a quicker release/better throwing motion than Osweiler.
...but who doesn't?
I'm kinda surprised you fanboys hadn't posted these already
But you guys must be seeing something.
Dude has a quicker release/better throwing motion than Osweiler.
...but who doesn't?
I'm kinda surprised you fanboys hadn't posted these already
Texecutioner
Hall of Fame
Thought I'd see what all the fuss is about. Admittedly, I'm not a draftnik so I don't go all fan-boy on any young QB.
But you guys must be seeing something.
Dude has a quicker release/better throwing motion than Osweiler.
...but who doesn't?
I'm kinda surprised you fanboys hadn't posted these already
I've watched him carefully since he first was drafted. Don't need to.
Honestly it isn't worth debating anymore really. I keep forgetting that Belicheck would be really foolish to trade him here and I don't think he'll do that. I'm sure there will be plenty of suitors and he'll have no problem dishing him out to the NFC or some team like the Browns where it likely won't haunt them if Brady doesn't last much longer or gets injured. If I were Belicheck, no way in hell I gift him to the Texans, Vikings, or the Broncos. I'd trade him for less somewhere else.
Texansballer74
The Marine
Man Belichick will not have a problem trading Jimmy this way. Some of you cats are going way overboard with that chain of thought. As long as Brady continues to play at a high level haha why would he be. I mean really gentlemen.
The Browns definitely need a QB and have plenty of draft picks available.
Texansphan
Football connoisseur
I reckon Belichek and Brady retire at the same time so if it's up to Belichek, he wont care where Jimmy goes as he won't have to face him or the consequences. He will likely sell him to the highest bidder.
The main sticking point may be Mr. Kraft - he will still own the team and may want some input in that scenario.
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Texansballer74
The Marine
Texansphan
Football connoisseur
Of him possibly being very good and having trade
Of him possibly being very good and having traded him away.
Another guy that is hard to evaluate.http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap30...mock-draft-deshaun-watson-goes-no-1-to-browns.
Has us taking Jarod Evans the VT QB in round 3.
http://247sports.com/Player/Jerod-Evans-85846
There's just not much game film of him playing under pressure.
A guy that looks intriguing to me now is Sefo Liufau.
Not as elusive as Mahomes, but bigger and tougher.
Played pretty well under pressure.
Twisted his ankle in the Michigan but continued to make play afterward.
Re-aggravate the injury in subsequent games, but kept playing much as he can.
Played as a dual QB at Colorado because his HC wanted to utilize his size and athleticism, also probably because they can't recruit Oline well.
He was playing in a pro system in HS.
Did take some snaps under center in college.
I think this guy is a real sleeper.
Good throwing mechanics in general, holding the ball high, with a short throwing motion.
Also had lisfranc the year before, so he needs to be checked out medically.
A great prospect on the third day, but I think his stock could rise.
I wouldn't mind taking him in the fourth round, maybe even in the third if his injury is cleared.
Not as elusive as Mahomes, but bigger and tougher.
Played pretty well under pressure.
Twisted his ankle in the Michigan but continued to make play afterward.
Re-aggravate the injury in subsequent games, but kept playing much as he can.
Played as a dual QB at Colorado because his HC wanted to utilize his size and athleticism, also probably because they can't recruit Oline well.
He was playing in a pro system in HS.
Did take some snaps under center in college.
I think this guy is a real sleeper.
Good throwing mechanics in general, holding the ball high, with a short throwing motion.
Also had lisfranc the year before, so he needs to be checked out medically.
A great prospect on the third day, but I think his stock could rise.
I wouldn't mind taking him in the fourth round, maybe even in the third if his injury is cleared.
Texansphan
Football connoisseur
NFL.com now has their draft board up.
QB Nathan Peterman is their 4th ranked qb per grade.
QB Nathan Peterman is their 4th ranked qb per grade.
Mr. Kraft will have to sober up.
jradMIT
Veteran
He's at 6 on CBS sports, arrow pointed up.
WolverineFan
Hall of Fame
Liufau looks the part but is constantly banged up and has a history of foot/ankle issues. He has great intangibles but struggles with accuracy, consistency, and comes from a spread offense. Most of his passes at CU were deep shots down the sideline or screens/quick passes at the LOS. They largely avoided throwing over the middle of the field with him. Definitely a project but one who comes with physical tools and intangibles although the injury history is disconcerting. By my count he got injured 4 different times just this season and that's after having a Lisfranc injury last year.
This makes no sense to me ..... The QB's in this draft are not pro ready and are marginal prospects at best and they are willing to spend an early pick on one yet they have a pro ready , somewhat proven player for the asking and aren't interested in dealing the picks ??
Yeah , use the pick on someone who's gonna ride the pine for 2+ years instead of a guy who comes in and is instantly your best quarterback ..... FFS can we fire Tricky Rick and Bob yet ?!
Well this is Rick McNair we're talking about.
He doesn't think like this, after getting burned by Os he's to afraid of putting his job on the line by trading for another teams backup QB. Not that McNair would ever fire his illegitimate son.
Hence the Texans are where they are.
geez guys, it's just a rumor and Walterfootball hasn't been very accurate when it comes to the Texans
I guess the answer to that lies in what you believe about either of those guys .... If you are confident in either making significant strides in year two , then your thoughts make sense.
I simply don't believe either of those two are capable of taking the significant steps to being just competent .... not even being remotely special , just getting TO competent. I just don't see it in either of them ....
I also believe that this roster is a quarterback away from playing for all the marbles .... The defense has the potential to be one of the very best we've seen in a long while assuming JJ Watt returns healthy with Mercilus & Clowney up front and that you have a window of opportunity of about two years before you simply cant afford to keep the defense together .... So I'm of the opinion we need a quarterback who can come in and win DAY ONE , not in 2-3 years or you waste this window of opportunity.
No quarterback they draft this year is going to be ready to go day one .... so why not use that draft pick to acquire one who is. (Garappolo , Romo , Cutler , and possibly McCarron)
I was just commenting on the posts crucifying Rick and Bob for not making the decision to trade for G based on the rumor. I think they should consider it, and I don't think it'll take a 1 and a 4 to get it done
I understand.
So we know the Patriots are willing to trade Garoppolo, or is that rumor?
We'll know soon enough if someone is willing to meet the Patriots ask (if it is in fact true that they're interested in a trade).
How would you feel if Garoppolo is traded to another team for less than a 1st & 4th? Would you feel the Texans should have offered the 1st & 4th to get him?
Yeah, I've said that his injuries need to be checked out.
Not to worry about the throws down the middle; I've seen plenty, into tight windows, too.
No we don't know for sure they want to trade him. If they trade him to someone else then they trade him. Will we ever know what if anything the Texans offered? What if the Texans did offer a 1 and a 4 but BB didn't want him to go to the Texans, would we ever know that?
I hear you. And agree to a certain extent.
But I just see four different starting QBs in four years as doing things like the Browns have been doing things. That hasn't worked for them. Unless we luck up on a Dak Prescott, I don't see that strategy working for us. And Dak had a Zeke Elliott and a damn good O-line to help him succeed.
Texansballer74
The Marine
That's just a rumor Thunderkyss. Why would the Patriots front office leak that type of info right before the Superbowl. We should all know Belichick doesn't operates like that anyways.