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If you like Swagger guys the these are those guys
1. Watson
2. Trubinsky
3. Kelly
4. Peterman
5. Kizer
Kelly deserves his own category. Hell the guy's nickname is Swag Kelly.
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If you like Swagger guys the these are those guys
1. Watson
2. Trubinsky
3. Kelly
4. Peterman
5. Kizer
When I look at quarterbacks, the two things I look for are accuracy, and nuts when the pocket collapses. Nathan Peterman in the second is the one thing I want most out of this draft. I expect him to rise, but he is accurate, he makes big plays pressing the ball downfield, and his receivers were not very good so he has some experience throwing into tight windows.
If what you say is true, Peterman could rise up the boards like Wentz did last year. NFLDraftScout has him ranked as the #6 QB, just behind Mahomes, right now and have him going in the 4th rd. Both are listed as 6-2 and around 225 to 230 lbs. That's about the size of Prescott. Do you have any other numbers on Peterman like completion % and TD's to INT's?
You can look all that up. What you'll see in film is that Pitt's offense is very interesting. They had 3 good running backs and they ran their offense very much through the run or threat of run. It's very similar to what we do. He excelled in keeping drives alive and Pitt scored a lot of points against highly rated defenses, or defenses with great talent. He just kind of makes things work on offense, but he's also not a stud measurable guy. His arm is probably not super strong, I haven't seen that it is, and he's not overly fast. What he does is not something that's going to shine at the combine, so I'm not sure he rises a great deal.
Kelly deserves his own category. Hell the guy's nickname is Swag Kelly.
talk a little about swagger...
Holmgren: Gunslinger? That was accurate. I still remember one time when, we’re driving, close game, and I asked him during a timeout what kind of play he liked. I grabbed him to focus him as I would on occasion. All the quarterbacks are laughing, and I’m like, what’s wrong with you guys?
Mike, Brett Favre says, You oughta see your mustache. There’s an icicle in there.
Everyone is busting out. Then he went out and did it. He went out and scored.
Homlgren also tells the story in the Super Bowl when he asked Favre to run the plays that he calls..1st play Favre audibles and wins the game
Dan Reeves early thought Elway was too dumb to be a successful NFL qb.and I believe Elway ended up with the most come from victories ever for a qb ...Bradshaw/Marino were the same they owned the 4th quarter when they could call their own plays....and dumb
Montana before his winning drive vs Dallas in the Super Bowl pointed to the crowd and said "isn't that John candy over there? to his teammates in that huddle..then went down and
scored the winning td....
takes a special personality be THE Man in front of millions..many choke. .Warner/Staubach used Christ for their anchor...others their huge egos Most have the same Meyers Briggs score..big showmen/big extroverts. too many of these kids are yes sir, no sir types. quie,t polite. and most fail. Fun watching interviews by P Manning, Brady, Rodgers and Brees in college. just see the confidence. Obviously I look at physical skills but I also know swag matters and look for the prospects that love the camera...Paxton Lynch last year loved the camera while Goff was gun shy. IMO it matters
Big Ben has only played 16 games 3 time in 13 years he hurt every year and misses games but i would still roll him out knowing he is injury prone because he a great Q.B and he has had worse injuries than romoI wouldn't want Romo, because the last time he played all 16 games was 2012. That screams injury prone/unreliable.
Romo isn't a good enough qb on top of being injury prone. Also I'm tried of recycled crap qbs from other teams. It is time to draft a qb in an early round and develop said qb.Big Ben has only played 16 games 3 time in 13 years he hurt every year and misses games but i would still roll him out knowing he is injury prone because he a great Q.B and he has had worse injuries than romo
Romo isn't a good enough qb on top of being injury prone. Also I'm tried of recycled crap qbs from other teams. It is time to draft a qb in an early round and develop said qb.
I don't think an injury prone never won a big game choke artist is the answer is all I'm saying. I just don't think any of the veterans qb that will be available by trade or free agency are going to give that much of a chance to win now anymore than the crap already on the roster.They gotta get a vet that gives them a chance to win now while the defense is playing so well. This shouldn't preclude them from drafting a QB to develop.
Romo is not good enough of a Q.B plz stop i now see you know nothing about Romo and the Q.B position with that statementRomo isn't a good enough qb on top of being injury prone. Also I'm tried of recycled crap qbs from other teams. It is time to draft a qb in an early round and develop said qb.
Cutler is 46-8 when Bears defense gives up 20 points or less.
Just sayin
That's too easy.I'd take cutler over Brock all day.
Cutler with this defense would be pretty good I think.
Cutler is 46-8 when Bears defense gives up 20 points or less.
Just sayin
He completed 60.5 percent of his passes, but his passes come with a higher difficulty level because of his recievers lack of seperation. 9.3 yards per attempt because he pushes it downfield. 27 tds to 7 ints. His arm strength is good not great, similar to Matt Ryan there. I just watch game cutups with all of his throws, and I can't figure out why he isn't rated higher.If what you say is true, Peterman could rise up the boards like Wentz did last year. NFLDraftScout has him ranked as the #6 QB, just behind Mahomes, right now and have him going in the 4th rd. Both are listed as 6-2 and around 225 to 230 lbs. That's about the size of Prescott. Do you have any other numbers on Peterman like completion % and TD's to INT's?
Can't cut Osweiler and don't want a criminal record so there's no point in trying to cap him from a tall building during training camp. Just have to hope that piece of **** decides that he's stolen enough money and walks away.
Who really cares? I mean seriously Bill O'Brien left to his own devices has turned the Houston Texans QB position into a league-wide running joke and when Bob McNair and his pet GM Ricky McNair got involved they managed to somehow make it worse. What does it matter who QB's the Houston Texans? It doesn't! We could put one of those wind-up monkeys playing the cymbals back there and get what we got this year. 9-7 and a playoff game is good enough for old-man McNair so why should we want anymore than that?
I need more rum.
He completed 60.5 percent of his passes, but his passes come with a higher difficulty level because of his recievers lack of seperation. 9.3 yards per attempt because he pushes it downfield. 27 tds to 7 ints. His arm strength is good not great, similar to Matt Ryan there. I just watch game cutups with all of his throws, and I can't figure out why he isn't rated higher.
I wonder what Brock'so record is when his defense gives up 20 points or less...
I watched his bowl game, he played OK. Not great, looked accurate and got knocked out with a concussion.
I also watched him against Penn St/N.C./Clemson/NW while looking at Bisonwaty/Johnson and he looked great. Very accurate, I didn't think of him as a starting NFL QB because he played behind a great OL that I thought made him look better than he really was. I thought he lacked NFL arm strength but possessed great accuracy.
After thinking about it, I'm going to have to reassess my position. He looked a lot like Brady at Michigan. He will need to sit for a couple of yrs though.
Cutler is 46-8 when Bears defense gives up 20 points or less.
Just sayin
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Keep dreaming. It ain't happening.
Not a big Cutler fan, but I would favor him here based on the options.
I don't agree with this. I have watched his games vs Clemson, North Carolina, Virginia Tech, and Georgia Tech(2015) so far. I see a guy with plenty of arm strength who makes accurate throws downfield. He isn't a guy who throws 55 yard bullets, but I don't think that's where games are won. He makes strong throws in the intermediate (10-25 yds) area from multiple platforms. Watch the 2015 Georgia Tech game. He makes a throw while rolling to his right, I think the to the tight end but maybe to Boyd. It is without setting his feet, 20 yards downfield on a rope, with perfect ball placement. You can't make that throw without adequate arm talent.yea I thought his arm looked on the weaker side. all his throws 10+ yards down field outside the hashes always hung up, or were inaccurate. I will watch more of him though. if we don't take a qb in one of the 1st 2 rounds I will be highly disappointed, I expect to be disappointed.
Turned out to be an unexpectedly good thread. I think with "swag" the OP simply means supreme confidence. Most QBs love the spotlight. They thrive in it. Look at how many of the top ones become announcers/commentators and that generally seem very outspoken. Even "good guys" like Warren want the spotlight.
Sure, you've got a lot of studs at other positions that love the spotlight as well but seems that for every Ocho Cinco or Odell Beckham, there's an Andre Johnson and a Julio Jones. But with a QB, it seems ALL of the great ones have that love of the spotlight.
The throw at 4:50 mark is a throw you can't make without a good arm imo. The throw at the 3 minute mark is pretty impressive as well.
That's too easy.
I don't hate Osweiler, critical of him yes, but he didn't even reach the low threshold I had for him.
I blame O'Brien for that.
He's been mostly about reigning in the mistakes and not working on the QB strength; that much is clear.
I don't believe in that.
This organization is a mess, just wandering around.
I wonder what Brock's record is when his defense gives up 20 points or less... heck, I'd believe Hoyer does pretty good as well when his defense gives up 20 point or less.
Didn't know this,
Even more reason to draft Kelly,
So he's got a bit of a temper/edge to him. Tell me a great QB that doesn't? It's BOB's job to get those emotions channeled in the right direction. I notice that he didn't get into any trouble his last 2 yrs at Ole Miss. Maybe he's grown up since he was a freshman in college. I know I grew up a lot during that period of my life.
It's not like he got caught doing drugs or beating up his girlfriend. Oh well, another guy who's not Texans worthy. # Not going to be let into the boy scouts club.
Cutler is 46-8 when Bears defense gives up 20 points or less.
Just sayin
Well unless you count him charging the field at a HS game to brawl with HS kids after his brother got late hit in a game.
Emotion is good, but this kid appears to have zero control and that isn't good.
Brock was 6-0 this year when the defense gave up 20 or less. Savage was 2-0.
I like BO as person and wanted him to do well, but after watching him all season my question to you is what are his strengths that OB should be playing to?
I see a guy that has poor mechanics, poor accuracy, can't see the field, panics under pressure and is highly error prone because of it. What should OB do game plan wise to fix that?
Wasnt completely sold on him but im intrigued now
swagger vs confidence "to-may-to vs to-mah-to" lets call the hole thing off. not worth splitting hairs over also from a long time coach...either one accepts personality plays a major role in a prospects future success or one doesn't...feel like Gulliver in the land of Lilliput debating which side of an egg to break
not sure charging the field after after seeing my brother hurt on a late hit is a bad thing or a good thing....
I don't think it's necessarily anything specific to Osweiler. There are just things you do to help any QB, especially an inexperienced one.
If he's a rhythm thrower, which I'm leaning to believe, you have to get him into a rhythm. Screens, quick outs, slants. Then you add in your complimentary routes, stack your receivers to get free releases, bunch them up to confuse man coverage, motion to dictate coverage.
& the up tempo thing, the team seems to play better when they speed it up. Doesn't matter if it's Brock or Savage.
Godsey/O'Brien did all these things at one time or another & their QB (either Brock or Savage) looked good. But there would be long stretches where we couldn't run the ball, receivers can't get open, we can't get first downs & the offense stalls.
I watched our Tennessee game @ NRG last night. Brock opened the game looking like the guy we thought he would be. Tennessee makes adjustments at the half & we can't get started again.
Same thing happened in several other games & I don't think Tom Savage would have made enough difference, especially not after four or five games when there's film on him.
I said it before & I'm sure there are some that wishes I don't say it again. But we should have been up 21-17 at the half vs New England Saturday.
The TD pass CjF mistimed. The one in the back of the end zone CjF couldn't secure (yeah, Brock could have thrown a better pass, but the one he threw should have been caught). Then on the same possession the one Will Fuller should have caught (same as before, Brock could've thrown a better ball, but the one he threw should have been caught).
Then the bootleg CjF did catch. That's 21 points.
Then the TD bomb that went through Fuller's hands that could have kept us in the game, that's 4 TDs we should have scored against the #1 scoring defense in the league.
That's not to say I think we found our QB... I'm just saying that's a pretty strong game for anybody. & yes, if we were up 28-27 mid way through the third, those 3 INTs most likely don't happen. Our defense is probably still teeing off on Brady.
He's had multiple games with 40 or more attempts with 200 or fewer yards passing. I just feel like he has too may deficiencies to make up for with play calling.
But we're taking about a game where he should have had 4 TD passes against the #1 scoring defense.
I think that is good evidence to support play calling being a big help.
The he started the Titans game @NRG strong. Two 70 yard TD drives & a field goal. He started the Detroit game strong. & I still think he had a good game against Green Bay.
None of this is to say I think he should be our starter, only that play calling was a big factor.
Watching him play in Denver last season he threw the ball downfield much more frequently & more accurately as well. He even threw it better here, in the preseason & the first few weeks of the season.
& I'm not denying he has several real issues.