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Will Fuller WR Notre Dame- 1st round 2016

We know we've been trying to add speed to the WR corps for a while & have missed... Tyler Lockett, Phillip Dorsett... I'm glad we finally got it off the list. But this is the guy I was looking forward to the least.

Hopefully he can get on the field & contribute. Heck, I'm still waiting for Strong to get on the field...
 
I'm in hide and watch mode with this pick. I'll support him and pull for him, but I don't really have any expectations.
 
Brandon420tx said:
It's actually not that bad, at least this pick is understandable and can be reasoned through.
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A WR2 to fit the specific gaps on this team as opposed to the BPA WR who had the exact skill sets as our two other top WR's on the team. I get where people are coming from that wanted the bigger physical specimens available, but this pick seems to be about the system. If there is a system. OB has picked his QB, RB and WR corps (outside of Nuk who fits his system) to put his system in place. Will be nice to finally see it.
 
I have mixed feelings about the pick, mainly because I would have preferred that we use our #1 on a DT or OL with prospects like Bama's Robinson, Butler of Lou Tech, & OT Spriggs still on our Board and got our speed receiver later in the Draft. But reports are Billy recruited this guy to play for him at Penn State, so the coach obviously knows him and likes him and I do have faith in his ability to evaluate offensive players. Given that they moved up, by paying a very miniscule price, means this kid was their preference at WR maybe even ahead of Coleman. So our coach got what he wanted and now we've got some real speed at the flanker position and in the backfield.
OK on to Day II&III so we can get those lineman in the mid & late rounds.
 
chenjy9 said:
When no one is near him due to him flat out burning defenders, hand size matters a lot less IMO. It's when you are catching in tight windows or fighting off defenders where I feel that strong, big hands become super important. With Fuller, I rather him not be thrown to in those situations. We should be going to D-Hop or God forbid, a TE.
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I like the pick which gives us instant speed and long distance vertical threat. My greatest concern re. Fuller will be his ability to grab a jump ball in traffic and come down with it...............the formula of not having a particularly strong body, having small hands (8 1/4 inch), short arms (30 3/4 inch) and having a very less than impressive 33 1/2 inch vertical does not make for a great formula.
 
IDEXAN said:
I have mixed feelings about the pick, mainly because I would have preferred that we use our #1 on a DT or OL with prospects like Bama's Robinson, Butler of Lou Tech, & OT Spriggs still on our Board and got our speed receiver later in the Draft. But reports are Billy recruited this guy to play for him at Penn State, so the coach obviously knows him and likes him and I do have faith in his ability to evaluate offensive players. Given that they moved up, by paying a very miniscule price, means this kid was their preference at WR maybe even ahead of Coleman. So our coach got what he wanted and now we've got some real speed at the flanker position and in the backfield.
OK on to Day II&III so we can get those lineman in the mid & late rounds.
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I know from day one people have been saying this draft was deep on the DL. They've also been saying this isn't the best WR group overall. Meaning a lot of DLmen that can play will be available later in the draft. WR, not so much.

There are receiver's later in the draft that I like better than Fuller, but none of them are as fast. I don't believe Fuller is a one trick pony, I think he's more than just fast. So if you wanted to grab a WR who can play this game & is fast, your options were limited.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
I like the pick which gives us instant speed and long distance threat. My greatest concern re. Fuller will be his ability to grab a jump ball in traffic and come down with it...............the formula of not having a particularly strong body, having small hands (8 1/4 inch), short arms (30 3/4 inch) and having a very less than impressive 33 1/2 inch vertical does not make for a great formula.
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I'd agree with you if not for Ty Hilton making his career against us.
 
Hervoyel said:
Why? He seems tickled pink. He thinks he's got something to complain about for the near future so he's happy.
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Your probably right. Just liked he said the Texans would lament they day didn't select Bortles. Bortles is really lighting it up, huh?
 
It's not going to be that big a deal IMO. There's going to be some coaching up going on here and there would be even if the Texans had gotten Doctson or if Coleman had been available. This coaching staff is going to put this guy through The Process and he's going to have to be a good teammate and take his coaching, work hard, be inactive a bunch, and then eventually (probably sooner than Strong) get into a game. It's just the way the Texans do these things under OB so Doctson being a more polished and complete WR at this point in time probably didn't mean as much to the Texans as it does to us.

They probably don't think any of them are ready to get in there right away.
 
austins23 said:
Your probably right. Just liked he said the Texans would lament they day didn't select Bortles. Bortles is really lighting it up, huh?
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He's doing OK and he'll light it up at some point. Has no bearing on what the Texans are doing. They're following their plan and taking who they want to take. If it doesn't work out they'll lose their jobs and Bob will start over.
 
Treadwell is the better pure WR IMO, but his speed was mediocre. The Texans have needed someone to take the top off a defense for a while. Mayock compares him to Ted Ginn, for good and bad. He is the second-tier burner behind the Baylor guy.
 
thunderkyss said:
I'd agree with you if not for Ty Hilton making his career against us.
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TY Hilton has a much stouter body and considered strong for his size. Beyond that, Hilton plays the slot in more than 50% of plays, with his quickness usually allowing him to find an unoccupied uncontested spot. He does not seek nor particularly excel in a jump ball scenario in traffic.
 
Fuller reminds me more of Torrey Smith or even Emmauel Sanders. Will compliment Hopkins well like Sanders does with Thomas in Denver. Good pick...
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
TY Hilton has a much stouter body and considered strong for his size. Beyond that, Hilton plays the slot in more than 50% of plays, with his quickness usually allowing him to find an unoccupied uncontested spot. He does not seek nor particularly excel in a jump ball scenario in traffic.
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BOB will scheme to get Fuller open things up like the Colts do for Hilton.
 
BullNation4Life said:
Fuller reminds me more of Torrey Smith or even Emmauel Sanders. Will compliment Hopkins well like Sanders does with Thomas in Denver. Good pick...
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That's what I think a lot of people aren't allowing for. Context. We already have a "go-up-and-get-it" guy in Hopkins. Crazy catches included. We have Strong developing into a nice #2 option and now we have Fuller to bring the speed. They're all going to have a role and nobody out there is putting 3-4 guys on the field who are all big-body strength guys, and speedsters who can blow the top off, and circus catch guys who can win contested catches when they need to.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
TY Hilton has a much stouter body and considered strong for his size. Beyond that, Hilton plays the slot in more than 50% of plays, with his quickness usually allowing him to find an unoccupied uncontested spot. He does not seek nor particularly excel in a jump ball scenario in traffic.
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Hilton was also a dynamite route runner and return guy coming out of school while Fuller is neither. Fuller is superior to Philip Dorsett though so we got that going for us.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
TY Hilton has a much stouter body and considered strong for his size. Beyond that, Hilton plays the slot in more than 50% of plays, with his quickness usually allowing him to find an unoccupied uncontested spot. He does not seek nor particularly excel in a jump ball scenario in traffic.
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But why do we need another receiver to catch in traffic? Hopkins and Strong have that skill already. We got a receiver with a skill they don't have. If Fuller ends up like Hilton it will be a perfect 5 star, 10/10 pick.
 
Exascor said:
But why do we need another receiver to catch in traffic? Hopkins and Strong have that skill already. We got a receiver with a skill they don't have. If Fuller ends up like Hilton it will be a perfect 5 star, 10/10 pick.
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See WolverineFan's post. And Hilton was drafted in the 3rd.
 
Ring.. Ring.. Ring..

McCloughan: Redskins, what's shake'n?
Rick: Hey Scot, it's Rick... just looking to see if you want to do some business.

McCloughan: Yeah sure. I'll take your 6th round pick from next year.
Rick: Wait a minute... we don't even know that I want to trade.

McCloughan: Well, you did call me. Let's get this done.
Rick: Uh... um... that don't mean anything, I'm just doing my due diligence.

McCloughan: Fine.
Rick: So who are you going to pick.

McCloughan: Josh Doctson. We have him graded as the best WR in the draft.
Rick: Oh... ok. Good luck with that.

McCloughan: Wait... My OC really loves that Treadwell kid. I think we might be taking him instead.
Rick: Ok. That's a great pick. Talk to you later.

McCloughan: Hold on! hold on... Snyder wants us to get that kid out of Notre Dame, um.. um.. the fast kid, you know who I'm talking about.
Rick: Uh... I'll give you my 6th round pick from next year.

McCloughan: Done.
Rick: Shwehhh... almost missed out on that one.
 
Should be a nice little receiving core to start the season for the Wizard of Os
thunderkyss said:
Ring.. Ring.. Ring..

McCloughan: Redskins, what's shake'n?
Rick: Hey Scot, it's Rick... just looking to see if you want to do some business.

McCloughan: Yeah sure. I'll take your 6th round pick from next year.
Rick: Wait a minute... we don't even know that I want to trade.

McCloughan: Well, you did call me. Let's get this done.
Rick: Uh... um... that don't mean anything, I'm just doing my due diligence.

McCloughan: Fine.
Rick: So who are you going to pick.

McCloughan: Josh Doctson. We have him graded as the best WR in the draft.
Rick: Oh... ok. Good luck with that.

McCloughan: Wait... My OC really loves that Treadwell kid. I think we might be taking him instead.
Rick: Ok. That's a great pick. Talk to you later.

McCloughan: Hold on! hold on... Snyder wants us to get that kid out of Notre Dame, um.. um.. the fast kid, you know who I'm talking about.
Rick: Uh... I'll give you my 6th round pick from next year.

McCloughan: Done.
Rick: Shwehhh... almost missed out on that one.
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Sad thing is, that is probably how that conversation went. Redskins went fishing, and found a flounder on the end of the line that is Rick Smith...
 
I don't understand the hate on Fuller. He was the guy I wanted for weeks (out of the wideouts). We already have Hopkins and Strong, so Doctson and Treadwell were not needed. We desperately needed a slot guy who could do damage deep and keep safeties off of Hopkins. Coleman was an option, but his route running was trash and watching him try to block someone was painful. Fuller was the best and obvious choice.
 
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Seriously though, I don't have a big issue with the pick. It's who they wanted and they got him. We'll have to wait to see if they were right or wrong.
 
Hervoyel said:
It's not going to be that big a deal IMO. There's going to be some coaching up going on here and there would be even if the Texans had gotten Doctson or if Coleman had been available. This coaching staff is going to put this guy through The Process and he's going to have to be a good teammate and take his coaching, work hard, be inactive a bunch, and then eventually (probably sooner than Strong) get into a game. It's just the way the Texans do these things under OB so Doctson being a more polished and complete WR at this point in time probably didn't mean as much to the Texans as it does to us.

They probably don't think any of them are ready to get in there right away.
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No way as the 1.22 pick is he going to be inactive unless he is a complete bust. Or injured. Who in this WR corps will put him Inactive on the depth chart?
 
sandman said:
No way as the 1.22 pick is he going to be inactive unless he is a complete bust. Or injured. Who in this WR corps will put him Inactive on the depth chart?
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Bill "There's your temporary cardboard locker" O'Brien

Like I said, he'll get on the field a lot sooner than Strong did but he's still going to go through the process. I think O'Brien believes that rookies need it to some extent. I could of course be wrong. He might come in and blow everyone's socks off from day one.

Wouldn't that be a wonderful problem to have?
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
I like the pick which gives us instant speed and long distance vertical threat. My greatest concern re. Fuller will be his ability to grab a jump ball in traffic and come down with it...............the formula of not having a particularly strong body, having small hands (8 1/4 inch), short arms (30 3/4 inch) and having a very less than impressive 33 1/2 inch vertical does not make for a great formula.
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I agree, but the point was that he should not be thrown to (at least not often) when in traffic . Those passes should go to Hop and Strong. What I'd like to see is for Fuller to be targeted deep (40 yds +) at least twice a quarter, until defenses are forced to shade a safety over to help. This will remove double coverage from Hop or will open up the middle for Strong, Shorts & the TE.
 
Hervoyel said:
Bill "There's your temporary cardboard locker" O'Brien

Like I said, he'll get on the field a lot sooner than Strong did but he's still going to go through the process. I think O'Brien believes that rookies need it to some extent. I could of course be wrong. He might come in and blow everyone's socks off from day one.

Wouldn't that be a wonderful problem to have?
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I just remember Clowney, Fiedo and Prosch being penciled in as starters. KJ didn't have a technical starter tag but was playing Day 1. I'm not sure why it would be any different with Fuller. I don't recall McKinney going through anything other than learning the system. I think people put too much stock into what happened with X and Strong. IMHO.
 
Number19 said:
I agree, but the point was that he should not be thrown to (at least not often) when in traffic . Those passes should go to Hop and Strong. What I'd like to see is for Fuller to be targeted deep (40 yds +) at least twice a quarter, until defenses are forced to shade a safety over to help. This will remove double coverage from Hop or will open up the middle for Strong, Shorts & the TE.
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I like that strategy. Let's take lots of low odds shots to open things up for now longer lower odds 3rd downs. And with the added benefit of taking very little time off the clock due to clock stoppages.

sandman said:
I think people put too much stock into what happened with X and Strong. IMHO.
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Let's just hope he doesn't blow up to 185 lbs and get in OB's doghouse.
 
thunderkyss said:
Ring.. Ring.. Ring..

McCloughan: Redskins, what's shake'n?
Rick: Hey Scot, it's Rick... just looking to see if you want to do some business.

McCloughan: Yeah sure. I'll take your 6th round pick from next year.
Rick: Wait a minute... we don't even know that I want to trade.

McCloughan: Well, you did call me. Let's get this done.
Rick: Uh... um... that don't mean anything, I'm just doing my due diligence.

McCloughan: Fine.
Rick: So who are you going to pick.

McCloughan: Josh Doctson. We have him graded as the best WR in the draft.
Rick: Oh... ok. Good luck with that.

McCloughan: Wait... My OC really loves that Treadwell kid. I think we might be taking him instead.
Rick: Ok. That's a great pick. Talk to you later.

McCloughan: Hold on! hold on... Snyder wants us to get that kid out of Notre Dame, um.. um.. the fast kid, you know who I'm talking about.
Rick: Uh... I'll give you my 6th round pick from next year.

McCloughan: Done.
Rick: Shwehhh... almost missed out on that one.
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I'm thinking you watched Draft Day one too many times.
 
infantrycak said:
I like that strategy. Let's take lots of low odds shots to open things up for now longer lower odds 3rd downs. And with the added benefit of taking very little time off the clock due to clock stoppages.



Let's just hope he doesn't blow up to 185 lbs and get in OB's doghouse.
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If you've got the receiver and you've got the QB, then the odds suddenly become not-so-low. I would like to see a Texans version of Air Coryell.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
Here's the most complete analysis of Fuller I've ever read.............http://draftwire.usatoday.com/2016/02/15/2016-nfl-draft-scouting-report-notre-dame-wr-will-fuller/
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This is pretty much exactly where I stand with Fuller. I just haven't been able to put it into words like this guy did.

I think his speed and production warrants a 2nd round grade instead of a 3rd but the exact issues he brings up in the article is why I just couldn't put a 1st round grade on him.

I don't understand why everyone has to immediately either love or hate the pick. I'm in the middle. I like the player. I'm not thrilled about where we took him or why we traded up the one spot. I don't think we were in any danger of not getting him where we were. But, I can respect that this is the guy the staff absolutely had to have and so they made sure they got him.

I also don't understand why everyone is so defensive and can't accept any criticism of the guy whatsoever. Nobody has trashed him. The only negative points anyone has brought up are accurate. If he was perfect he wouldn't have been available at #21.

It's also not lost on me that the same people who bitched about drops last year when Mallett was playing now no longer care about that issue.

This kid drops passes. A lot of them. That's an indisputable fact. Now, if he can provide enough positives to make us not care about the drops then everybody will be happy. But that doesn't make it unreasonable to just bring up the fact that drops have been an issue with him.
 
I'm in the middle too, trying to lean towards optimist. Although I don't care at all about the trade, it's just a 6th round pick. People tend to get a little too fanatical about some not very important things on here.
 
I loved the pick instantly FOR THIS TEAM. This is a fit situation. And this is the perfect fit for this player. I have no earthly idea why anyone would think Treadwell makes even a bit of sense for this team. That's just idiotic imo.

Doctson? Maybe and I would have been ok with that pick, but again for this team we needed someone to take the top off the D and someone who is a threat to take it to the house from anywhere on the field. The idea that we are all ticked off because he isn't a red zone threat is like being angry that Christina Hendricks isn't a very pretty brunette. Hello? She's a red head. Do we even understand we have very, very good RZ threats in Hopkins and Strong? So you want another one? Stupid.

If a baseball player hits 45 HR's a year and drives in 125 runs, do you cut him because he also strikes out 20% of the time?

Plus, it's not as if he can't get his drops down. But regardless, he has specific unteachable God given skills that when combined with a new QB with an arm that can actually make big plays downfield, will change this offense in ways we can't even imagine. Dare I say this offense may go from a Model T to a Tesla in one year? We wanted to radically improve team speed, and they did it in spades. Dare I use the word dynamic?

So the natural reaction? Complain, ***** and moan. What else is new.

There is some risk in the kid, but I'll say this about Rick Smith. His first round track record is excellent. I'm onboard with this pick.

RS has been dreadful in rounds 2, 3, and 4. Let's cross our fingers and hope like hell that changes this year.
 
sandman said:
I just remember Clowney, Fiedo and Prosch being penciled in as starters. KJ didn't have a technical starter tag but was playing Day 1. I'm not sure why it would be any different with Fuller. I don't recall McKinney going through anything other than learning the system. I think people put too much stock into what happened with X and Strong. IMHO.
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Maybe so. Clowney was hurt so he got all the time on the sideline he needed. Yes he started from day one but that didn't last long and he was 1.1 in OB's first year so I think that more was expected of him than Fuller. Feido didn't set the world on fire and neither did Prosch. As a FB it's not like there was depth ahead of him he had to climb and with our TE situation Feido was probably best option available. Everyone else was either hurt or sucked.

Either way if we have Hopkins, Strong, Shorts, and some other veteran we pick up I bet he makes Fuller work his way into significant playing time.
 
bah007 said:
This is pretty much exactly where I stand with Fuller. I just haven't been able to put it into words like this guy did.

I think his speed and production warrants a 2nd round grade instead of a 3rd but the exact issues he brings up in the article is why I just couldn't put a 1st round grade on him.

I don't understand why everyone has to immediately either love or hate the pick. I'm in the middle. I like the player. I'm not thrilled about where we took him or why we traded up the one spot. I don't think we were in any danger of not getting him where we were. But, I can respect that this is the guy the staff absolutely had to have and so they made sure they got him.

I also don't understand why everyone is so defensive and can't accept any criticism of the guy whatsoever. Nobody has trashed him. The only negative points anyone has brought up are accurate. If he was perfect he wouldn't have been available at #21.

It's also not lost on me that the same people who bitched about drops last year when Mallett was playing now no longer care about that issue.

This kid drops passes. A lot of them. That's an indisputable fact. Now, if he can provide enough positives to make us not care about the drops then everybody will be happy. But that doesn't make it unreasonable to just bring up the fact that drops have been an issue with him.
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This is how I feel.

In addition to downfield routes, Fuller will help on WR screens, he was excellent at identifying a small crease, making his decision quickly, and flying through it. We didn't really have a guy that could do that last year and it's a huge part of the NFL now.

The fact that OB knows Fuller makes me feel better about the pick. It convinces me that OB knows he can coach the player and that he feels that Fuller has the necessary work ethic to succeed in the NFL. There's nothing more unsettling than a guy with work ethic concerns, so that's a huge plus.
 
Number19 said:
If you've got the receiver and you've got the QB, then the odds suddenly become not-so-low. I would like to see a Texans version of Air Coryell.
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What mythical pairing are you referring to? Flacco, Rodgers and Big Ben are the long ballers of the league. None of them attempts even one 40+ per game and their completion % respectively is approximately 20, 25 & 30. Get set to be disappointed if you expect constant rain instead of a random thunderstorm.
 
sandman said:
I just remember Clowney, Fiedo and Prosch being penciled in as starters. KJ didn't have a technical starter tag but was playing Day 1. I'm not sure why it would be any different with Fuller. I don't recall McKinney going through anything other than learning the system. I think people put too much stock into what happened with X and Strong. IMHO.
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Completely agree. Johnson was active all 16 games of his rookie season, and the only reason Clowney wasn't was due to injury. McKinney was active for 14 games (including the opening week), and the two he wasn't were (if I remember correctly) because he was dinged up a bit.

Barring injury, or a total dumpster-fire of an off-season/training camp, Fuller will likely start, and will defintely see lots of time on the field.
 
bah007 said:
This kid drops passes. A lot of them. That's an indisputable fact. Now, if he can provide enough positives to make us not care about the drops then everybody will be happy. But that doesn't make it unreasonable to just bring up the fact that drops have been an issue with him.
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That's fair. Yes, he's going to drop some passes. I expect it also. And like you said, if the guy didn't have any negatives, he wouldn't have been there at 21.

But I think what's getting lost in the conversation, is that by simply being on the field, he gives the team something that they haven't had for a very long time ... the deep threat. It's the threat alone opposing defenses will have to respect, especially the safeties. It is the threat alone, that will open things up for the offense. And it's the threat factor that Docston or Treadwell wouldn't be bringing to the table.
 
Hervoyel said:
Maybe so. Clowney was hurt so he got all the time on the sideline he needed. Yes he started from day one but that didn't last long and he was 1.1 in OB's first year so I think that more was expected of him than Fuller. Feido didn't set the world on fire and neither did Prosch. As a FB it's not like there was depth ahead of him he had to climb and with our TE situation Feido was probably best option available. Everyone else was either hurt or sucked.

Either way if we have Hopkins, Strong, Shorts, and some other veteran we pick up I bet he makes Fuller work his way into significant playing time.
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Not disagreeing on the production of those rookies. Just saying that OB doesn't have a process where rookies bake on the sideline until they are ready. He has been very willing to throw them in immediately. And a head coach always has a choice. He didn't have to draft a FB. Could have gone to FA or the street. And Graham was coming off of a 50/550/5 season when he drafted Fiedo and declared him the starter. With the cut this off season, it is very clear that OB simply did not like Graham. He had choices. He chose to go with the rookies.
 
Let me preface this by reminding people of the first post I made in this thread. I am not panning the pick. I preferred Doctson, from what little bit I knew of the players, but I'm not going to pretend I know enough about our guy to predict bust or anything. However, that said, I have concerns about drops. I know some of you have talked about drop percentage. Let me remind y'all of a couple stories concerning drops.

Jabar Gaffney was a solid WR for the Texans. He wasn't an extraordinary playmaker, but he was good Kevin Walter before we had Kevin Walter. Gaffney had the best drop percentage on the team and had more yards per catch than AJ did. Yet, all anyone wanted to talk about was ONE PLAY where he dropped the ball. I wish I could pull up posts from '04 and '05, because I defended the guy and posters here railed about that one drop.

Jackie Smith was a 5-time Pro Bowler (4 times All Pro) that was one of the best receiving TEs of the 1970s. You know what people remember about him today? One drop.


One of the things we all bitched about last year was the drops. So yeah, it concerns me. Doesn't mean I think the guy can't play and/or develop into a good WR. We'll see. But if he has some drops early on, especially ill timed ones, a lot of y'all are going to be posting angrily.
 
Brandon420tx said:
I'm in the middle too, trying to lean towards optimist. Although I don't care at all about the trade, it's just a 6th round pick. People tend to get a little too fanatical about some not very important things on here.
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Yep - for several years, we've had the discussion regarding whether we could have traded down again and still gotten Duane Brown. Some thought he wouldn't have gone in the 1st round, others pointed to some evidence that San Diego was going to take him with the next pick if the Texans hadn't chosen him when they did. The reality is - regardless of what the truth is, it was an excellent draft pick, and even if we now knew he would have lasted another 5-10 spots, it wouldn't change that. If Fuller pans out, trading up will barely even be remembered. If he doesn't, it won't be the lost 2017 6th round pick folks will be complaining about.

Maybe the Texans thought Cincy was going to trade up for the pick and take Fuller. Maybe they thought Minnesota was going to. Maybe Washington told them they were going to take Fuller, but had Doctson rated so evenly, they'd be willing to let the Texans have Fuller for a future 6th. Maybe the Texans just got snookered. The one thing I think we can all believe without question is that of the three WR's who went with picks 21-23, the Texans obviously felt Fuller was the best option for them. So while I hope folks aren't petty/mean-spirited enough to make an issue of their draft strategy down the road, their talent evaluation competence is clearly a valid complaint should Fuller not pan out (and just think - nobody will have that pesky excuse of "Well, they really wanted Doctson/Treadwell, but Washington snagged him right ahead of us, so Fuller was only plan B anyway).

Finally, I only hope that of those who have expressed some displeasure/amusement regarding the one-spot trade up, none of those same folks were trashing them and saying how much smarter the Vikings were than the Texans when Teddy Bridgewater went with pick 32 in 2014.
 
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