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"Is Obrien Really An NFL Caliber Head Coach"??

Texan_fan_13 said:
Isn't this what most NFL coaches think. successful coaches are the ones like Andy Reid that takes somebody like Alex Smith that's really not a elite and make a good team anyway
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Alex Smith was playing in the NFC Championship game before he was ever coached by Andy Reid.

He's not elite by any means... but he's not chopped liver. Garbage was just crazy enough to think he could do better with Kaepernick... well, he got to the NFC Championship game with Kaepernick as well, but he isn't nearly the QB Alex Smith is. A much better athlete sure, but not close as a QB.
 
Phoenix said:
What about this scenario: Dump Godsey....Make Obrien Offensive Coordinator/ QB coach....and find another guy for Head Coach?? I think Obrien is probably a good solid coach just not so sure of him as Head Coach.....They say there's a huge difference between being a OC or DC & being a Head Coach.....Any opinions on this scenario? And who we could get as a head coach??
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Never, ever gonna happen. Just silly to even postulate it.
 
Phoenix said:
What about the defense? Recievers drop Apprx 50% of the passes....Running game not good.....I'm not sure a QB could fix these
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Yeah we are overall not good but I think those drops and defensive flaws aren't as pronounced with an elite qb putting pressure on the other team all game long. I watch other teams and they make mistakes. we're never going to be perfect. We just have to do better.

Right now I don't think OB is a very good HC. But I believe he can get better. Maybe he doesn't. Do I want him fired now? Honestly I don't care.
 
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Is there an in season move that fixes this train wreck?

Why do i want to trade draft picks for Ozzie Newsome? Must be running low on sleep....or maybe just hope.
 
Texan_fan_13 said:
Yes exactly like this and I've been saying that schaub should be the model that were using and that mallet should be fit inside of that but we don't want to do that. Part of me wonders if Mallet doesn't throw right because he has something to prove as opposed to Heian the quarterback I'm here and we're going to do this . I admit that I am very confused by what I'm looking at. Here's my choices

One am I looking at a guy with no football talent.
Two-am I looking at a guy who can't play his game because of his coaches i.e. bad play calling.
Three-am I looking at a guy that has no ability to throw a football at any speed less than 65 miles an hour.
For my looking at an OK quarterback and a reallyh bad receiving corps.

The issue is there's so many problems I can't really tell what's the root cause and start unwinding

The thing is this when Mallet goes up tempo there's a run game and good playcalling he does just fine when anyone of those things are not present the wheels come off the bus so who's fault is that on a five game starting quarterback
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Mallett doesn't have the touch/accuracy of Schaub. If Mallett had that talent, he's be the best QB in NFL history. All he seems to know is gun it in there. I find it baffling that an NFL level QB has mechanics problems. All these guys have ever done is throw a football. Maybe it's like golf. Practicing bad habits ingrains bad habits.
 
powda said:
Is there an in season move that fixes this train wreck?

Why do i want to trade draft picks for Ozzie Newsome? Must be running low on sleep....or maybe just hope.
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Sadly I don't think there is anything mid-season we can do to help this team. We need a more consistent offense and we need the defense to stop playing like crap. No way we fire Godsey or Crennel, just don't see OB doing that. Smith ain't getting canned EVER, so we might as well forget that.
 
Texan_fan_13 said:
But I will say this there's one thing that really scares me for the future it's name is Christian Hackenberg and the reason it scares me is because it's another Hoyer man crush situation in the making. I think Connor Cooke is probably the better pic but the problem is that O'Brien has an experience with Hackenburg and if he picks Hackenburg and it's a disaster and we are out five more years I'd rather them all go before we have a bad QB.
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See, I don't know what to entirely make of this because if this held true we could have picked up Matt McGloin when we had a chance. OB has plenty of experience with McGloin, yet he passed. OB also passed on Nick Foles when he was there for the taking, and the drafting of Bridgewater.

So, what in the hell does Bill O'Brien look for in a QB if it's none of the above?

If the answer is what we saw from choosing Fitzpatrick, Mallett and Hoyer, then OB believes in mediocrity. Uncle Bob believe in mediocrity... and we all know what Rick Smith believes in.

Hell, OB didn't even TRY to draft a legit QB in the past two drafts, and this is coming from a coach who gives off the air that he can turn a sack skunk weed into a champion QB.

So far, so bad...we'll see.
 
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I just watched a bit of the game... when the broadcast went to the Bengals, looks like my daughter stopped recording, so I haven't seen past 28-0 yet.

But up until then, Mallett doesn't look bad. He's thrown several catchable balls that weren't caught. He skipped one to a receiver... don't know what that was about. But we had two receivers in the same spot. May have been a mistake that threw him off... either way, not very good for Mallett. You'd hope your starting QB could figure out what to do in that situation, without throwing the ball in the dirt.

He's throwing fast balls, but nothing that shouldn't be caught. Foster's first catch was a bullet that sped past him with a lot of zip, but he was able pluck it out of the air.

Graham missed a very similar throw.

I also think the refs were being very liberal when we were on offense, & pretty dang ticky tacky when we were on defense.

What I've seen from the defense up to this point... a lot going on. I'm glad to see McKinney next to Cushing. I wish they had been leaning that way since OTAs. You can see quite a bit of confusion on McKinney's part. He also missed two tackles that would have saved big gaines. But there was little help behind him. He needs to fix that, & there's no reason to believe he won't.

Also... still a lot more substitutions & new formations that we hadn't seen in the preseason. Most likely some confusion going on there. Just looks like something we might get better at as we get deeper into the season.

If the coaches are confident this is something we should be able to do.. & really it doesn't look like something we can't do. Then the best course of action may very well be to whether the growing pains & not expect less of our talented defense. Don't let them off the hook by simplifying but reinforce that we expect them to get this right, sooner rather than later.

QB wise, I think it's the same thing. Mallett is our starter & they need to learn how to catch his ball. The QB is not the problem. Don't let the receivers & tight-ends off the hook by switching QBs & giving them another two weeks to stop dragging ass.

Hoyer may be the better QB right now. But I think that's very short sighted. Not that I expect Mallett to be our franchise QB, but Hoyer will never be "Good Schaub" we're past that. & that's what we should be aiming for as a place holder until the stars line up & we're in a position to draft OB's soul mate.

If I were in charge of football operations I would not let OB switch QBs again... blaming what has happened on the QB. He decided that we could win with these two. He decided to bench Hoyer in game 1. Why would I give him a first round QB to develop if he can't get me.better than what we've seen from guys he's hand picked?
 
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Texan_fan_13 said:
Yes exactly like this and I've been saying that schaub should be the model that were using and that mallet should be fit inside of that but we don't want to do that. Part of me wonders if Mallet doesn't throw right because he has something to prove as opposed to Heian the quarterback I'm here and we're going to do this . I admit that I am very confused by what I'm looking at. Here's my choices

One am I looking at a guy with no football talent.
Two-am I looking at a guy who can't play his game because of his coaches i.e. bad play calling.
Three-am I looking at a guy that has no ability to throw a football at any speed less than 65 miles an hour.
For my looking at an OK quarterback and a reallyh bad receiving corps.

The issue is there's so many problems I can't really tell what's the root cause and start unwinding

The thing is this when Mallet goes up tempo there's a run game and good playcalling he does just fine when anyone of those things are not present the wheels come off the bus so who's fault is that on a five game starting quarterback
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I've gone round & round with this too....And this QB musical chairs is really confusing everything in my opinion. Play Mallett 8 games & Hoyer 8 games but changing QB's every 3 or 4 games isn't fair to either QB. Is OB going to go back to Mallett in 3 or 4 more games now that he has Hoyer in?? Because I guarantee you Hoyer will have a few good games and then start throwing interceptions....this has been his MO his entire career. Damn. Every time One of the QB's has 3 quarters where he struggles, OB switches them out..Is this our offensive philosophy for this entire season?? C'mon man.
 
I don't trust that O'Brien is going to make the right moves. I know we all want to think the coaches know more than we do, but frankly, there have been too many instances where the straight truth was evident for everyone to see and the coach and/or front office made the wrong move. For O'Brien, that's the Hoyer move. No one but Hoyer's mom and O'Brien think that Hoyer will ever be anything other than what he has been. So don't tell me the coach knows best when he has that move under his belt. Then you have the little things - the handling of the AJ situation, the Nix draft and release (bad to draft, good to cut bait), the ongoing XSF debacle, and even things that give us a glimpse into his mindset like the CJII/Rolle situation. I think he has an idea for what kind of team he wants to build here, but then I go back to the moves I just mentioned. I'm no fan of Bridgewater really, but passing over a good player in order to get one that doesn't even suit up seems like a bad move, no?

Sorry, I don't trust he's going to be a good coach. He hasn't sold me, despite his wonderful and varied use of the F word.
 
Fair? Who cares what's fair to either QB? This is the NFL and either somebody steps up and seizes an opportunity or nobody does (or can). I don't know how the Texans could justify going back to Mallett. This isn't play calling. Nobody is forcing him to throw the ball into the ground 5 feet in front of his intended target. He's like a wild pitcher who can't throw into the strike zone and he's had weeks to prove it. The Cleveland game from last season was the exception not the rule. Everything else has been this Mallett firing rockets at people in all kinds of crazy directions and then stringing together a few good throws before something goes wrong and he goes back to throwing uncatchable balls.

I'm not denying that he's had a crazy amount of passes dropped. It's been shocking how many times he's hit guys in the hands and they've dropped it or how crappy our WR's and TE's have been at getting open or even realizing that the ball was coming their way. It's been bad and you can't lay all of that on Mallett at all. He's staring guys down and throwing missiles at people 8 yards away from him but at least some of that crap has been bad WR and TE play.

Still, Mallett has that happen to him and he doesn't bounce back. It's like he gets into this downward spiral (right at the feet of the WR.... No! Not that downward spiral!) and can't pull out of it. The drops happen and you can just watch him beating himself up and getting stressed out.

He's not the guy to lead you anywhere. I really wished he could be but Cleveland was a mirage.
 
Let's not overreact.

I think it's way too early to give up on him.

As for O'Brien, I'm going to look at it philosophically: I think he's more than a competent coach, and a loss like this one is going to make him better.
 
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Mallett missed a day of practice this week due to a "chest injury" but Obrien tells reporters he doesn't know what they're talking about...he says Mallett is fine. What?? I'll bet money that Mallett strained or re injured his pectoral muscle & Obrien starts him against Falcons anyway. Obrien did this last yr too. If Mallett is hurt just start Hoyer to begin with....don't play Mallett 3 quarters and then pull him. Obrien is just looking so indecisive. He tries this then he tries that then he tries this etc etc. It just looks so amateurish. He looks baffled. Not a good look for a "Head Coach"
 
This team should have made it's biggest leap under Obrien in year 2. Instead, at one point in the game,
we had the largest deficit in Texans history. (second largest was in the expansion season)

There is a reason RAC was unemployed when BoB hired him. We have too many guys with no legit
coaching experience until BoB hired them. Seems like the only criteria you really need is to have been
on the patriots payroll at some point.

Look at Penn State right now. They stink. They are playing with Obrien's recruits and losing to Temple.

I want no part of Obrien being our head coach next year. You want this guy making the decision on who
our next franchise QB is? Not me..

He will burn a damned first round pick on Hackenberg, just because he had him at Penn State.

If BoB is such a great damned QB whisperer why does Fitz look better out of the gate this year with the
Jets than he did with us last year?

BoB is definitely in over he butt-chinned head.
 
I was iffy reference OBrien's ability to be an NFL head coach when we first hired him. Since that time he made several head scratching moves. Some of them turned out better than I expected, while many did not. Still, I decided to give him the benefit of the doubt all through last season. I have previously not commented much on him until now. I believe him to be just another in a long line of bellicheck failures. He looks like he knows nothing, and I'm in favor of him being fire; and take Rick Smith as well. I'm tired of the this team and its crummy players never being anybody's fault. Both need to go.
 
Tolar's Ghost said:
Let's not overreact.

I think it's way too early to give up
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Hervoyel said:
Fair? Who cares what's fair to either QB? This is the NFL and either somebody steps up and seizes an opportunity or nobody does (or can). I don't know how the Texans could justify going back to Mallett. This isn't play calling. Nobody is forcing him to throw the ball into the ground 5 feet in front of his intended target. He's like a wild pitcher who can't throw into the strike zone and he's had weeks to prove it. The Cleveland game from last season was the exception not the rule. Everything else has been this Mallett firing rockets at people in all kinds of crazy directions and then stringing together a few good throws before something goes wrong and he goes back to throwing uncatchable balls.

I'm not denying that he's had a crazy amount of passes dropped. It's been shocking how many times he's hit guys in the hands and they've dropped it or how crappy our WR's and TE's have been at getting open or even realizing that the ball was coming their way. It's been bad and you can't lay all of that on Mallett at all. He's staring guys down and throwing missiles at people 8 yards away from him but at least some of that crap has been bad WR and TE play.

Still, Mallett has that happen to him and he doesn't bounce back. It's like he gets into this downward spiral (right at the feet of the WR.... No! Not that downward spiral!) and can't pull out of it. The drops happen and you can just watch him beating himself up and getting stressed out.

He's not the guy to lead you anywhere. I really wished he could be but Cleveland was a mirage.
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I think you misinterpreted the way I used the word "fair" or maybe I used the wrong word. What I meant is that Obrien isn't helping either QB by playing musical chairs with them....in fact he's doing more harm. Don't you think at this point, the way Obrien has been handling this that both QB's could be a little (or a lot ) screwed up mentally and this back & forth isn't bring out the best in either one of them?
 
>The Cleveland game from last season was the exception not the rule.

Let this sink in, the only game where Mallett was dominant was against a lousy
QB that we signed to be our starter.

Mallett, the guy who patented the 95mph check down pass, was labeled
the back-up to a guy he beat resoundingly...

If that isn't some crazy mind fuk, I do not know what is..
 
I said from the very beginning that I would not trust Bill O'Brien, because trust is something to be earned.

But...this is the NFL...

And...

There was once a head coach, who between 1991-1995, ammased a 36-44 record and was fired.

In the year 2000 he was a head coach again, leading his team to a 5-11 record, right from the gate, with a pretty darn good QB.

In 2001, however, he found the QB he had been looking for and they went to the Super Bowl and won it, with practically the same 5-11 team.

This is the NFL. I still don't trust Bill O'Brien, because in 2 years he's given me nothing to trust. But this is the NFL, and if magic can happen, it will, because it HAS, and it always will happen, because that's the ebb and flow of the game. You lose until it's your turn to win, and you win until it's your turn to lose.

That said, with a combined record, across two seasons, of 10-10, who can make the call that he won't be a success in this league, regardless of dislike and/or mistrust?
 
So ... (this might deserve its own thread) .... What do you all think of OB benching Mullet for Hoyer ?!

Now what ?! Back to Mullet Thursday ?! Give Horrible another shot ?! You've shown no confidence in either .... what a mess.
 
speedfreek said:
There is a reason RAC was unemployed when BoB hired him.
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speedfreek said:
We have too many guys with no legit coaching experience until BoB hired them. Seems like the only criteria you really need is to have been
on the patriots payroll at some point.
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Who are you speaking of specifically with "no legit" coaching experience. One thing I liked about O'Brien (there aren't many) was that he put together an experienced coaching staff. Everyone of our coaches has been in their position for some time somewhere else, except Godsey.... but he didn't bring Godsey in as OC, he was QB/TE coach or something, which he was in New England.

Speaking of which, our STs coach is a hold over from Kubiak's last team. No New England ties. Our DL coach last season was also a hold over. He decided to move on & we got Pasqualoni.... no New England ties at all. Was the OL coach in Chicago, before that, he climbed the college ranks eventually becoming the HC of the U of Connecticut (I think).

Vrabel was a LB coach at Ohio..... he's our LB coach now.

Which coaches, specifically, have no "legit" coaching experience?
 
Corrosion said:
So ... (this might deserve its own thread) .... What do you all think of OB benching Mullet for Hoyer ?!

Now what ?! Back to Mullet Thursday ?! Give Horrible another shot ?! You've shown no confidence in either .... what a mess.
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I roll forward with Hoyer. He had one game and stunk it up. Got the hook for it and has been sitting ever since. Mallett has been **** for three straight weeks (one of which we managed to win anyway) and now he's gotten the hook too. You give Hoyer a few starts to see if he can put something together. This is where we are. We're wandering in the desert looking for a QB on a roster without one. I really don't see how you can go back to Mallett come Thursday or even what difference it would make.

These guys are both suck with different specialties. One sucks in accuracy and touch while the other sucks when pressured.

Since you're getting Foster back into things and the OL is getting healthier and more consistent you go back to the guy who plays marginally well as long as you can keep the pressure off of him. Eventually he's going to get pressured and screw up but Mallett will keep throwing balls into the turf until the end of time whether he's being pressured or not so what difference does it make?

Honestly I'd really consider cutting Mallett soon and I'd have somebody going through FA QB profiles right now looking for any old veteran who ever flashed to back up Hoyer the rest of the way. I know most people wouldn't do that but I would. End the competition definitely in the only way possible because neither of these guys is ever going to amount to anything so why do you need two of them?
 
Phoenix said:
I think you misinterpreted the way I used the word "fair" or maybe I used the wrong word. What I meant is that Obrien isn't helping either QB by playing musical chairs with them....in fact he's doing more harm.
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I often liken Mallett to a rookie. & we should expect some growing pains, just like we would if he were Derek Carr (who had better stats through his first four starts with what most of us would have called an inferior team).

& I still feel that way. It's going to take him some time.

While I wouldn't bench a rookie QB I decided to start, if he were making too many mistakes (I would pull him if he's getting pummeled & can't protect himself). But in this case, Mallett is not a rookie & if he's making mistakes (I don't know because I haven't watched it), then he needed to be pulled.
 
Corrosion said:
So ... (this might deserve its own thread) .... What do you all think of OB benching Mullet for Hoyer ?!

Now what ?! Back to Mullet Thursday ?! Give Horrible another shot ?! You've shown no confidence in either .... what a mess.
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I'd go with Mallett. If he was screwing up & just not doing what the coach was telling him, then this is just a "reprimand." Remind him this job isn't his & he better keep looking over his shoulder.

To me, this isn't the same "no confidence" pull as the Hoyer pull. Hoyer was scared & indecisive. You don't come back from scared & indecisive. It wasn't just that one game. He was scared & indecisive in Cleveland's last 7 games where they went 1-6.
 
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I'd go with Mallett. If he was screwing up & just not doing what the coach was telling him, then this is just a "reprimand." Remind him this job isn't his & he better keep looking over his shoulder.

To me, this isn't the same "no confidence" pull as the Hoyer pull. Hoyer was scared & indecisive. You don't come back from scared & indecisive. It wasn't just that one game. He was scared & indecisive in Cleveland's last 7 games where they went 1-6.
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I don't really think it matters all that much at this point anyway.
 
O'Brien has done a good job with what he was given, especially last season. Dude has no NFL starting-level QBs.

Rick Smith keeps wasting 2nd and rd picks, that is a lot of depth that is missing.

At least the Texans aren't San Fran, where your terrible QB has a giant contract.
 
Why O'Brien will get Fired!

1. One of his first player personnel decisions was to cut Owen Daniel and Daniel Manning, both in the last year of their contract, both would've been compensatory draft picks in 2016 if they had played out the last year of their contract. (Manning was resigned the same year he was cut) (2) DRAFT PICKS WASTED

2. Cut DJ Swearinger 2nd RD/#57 - (1) DRAFT PICK WASTED

3. Traded 2014 draft picks #101, #179 to move up to #83 to draft Louis Nix, Cut Nix. - (3) DRAFT PICKS WASTED

4. Traded 2015 draft picks #51, #116, #195 to move up to #43 to draft Bednardrick McKinney - (3) DRAFT PICKS WASTED

5. Traded 2015 draft picks #82, #152, #229, DeVier Posey to move up to #70 to draft Jaelen Strong - (4) DRAFT PICKS WASTED

6. Failure to adequately address the Texans QB position

7. McNair not pleased with all the Hard Knocks profanity.

IN LESS THAN 24 MONTHS BILL O'BRIEN HAS THROWN AWAY 12 DRAFT PICKS. IN THE 2ND YEAR OF HIS CONTRACT O'BRIEN HAS NOT ADDRESSED THE TEAM'S MAJOR DEFICIENCY AT QB.
 
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Texian said:
Why O'Brien will get Fired!

1. One of his first player personnel decisions was to cut Owen Daniel and Daniel Manning, both in the last year of their contract, both would've been compensatory draft picks if they had played out the last year of their contract. (Manning was resigned the same year he was cut) (2) DRAFT PICKS WASTED

2. Cut DJ Swearinger 2nd RD/#57 - (1) DRAFT PICK WASTED

3. Traded 2014 draft picks #101, #179 to move up to #83 to draft Louis Nix, Cut Nix. - (3) DRAFT PICKS WASTED

4. Traded 2015 draft picks #51, #116, #195 to move up to #43 to draft Bednardrick McKinney - (3) DRAFT PICKS WASTED

5. Traded 2015 draft picks #82, #152, #229, DeVier Posey to move up to #70 to draft Jaelen Strong - (4) DRAFT PICKS WASTED

6. Failure to adequately address the Texans QB position

7. McNair not pleased with all the Hard Knocks profanity.

IN LESS THAN 24 MONTHS BILL O'BRIEN HAS THROWN AWAY 12 DRAFT PICKS. IN THE 2ND YEAR OF HIS CONTRACT O'BRIEN HAS NOT ADDRESSED THE TEAM'S MAJOR DEFICIENCY AT QB.
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That is all on the GM not the coach.
 
I've been thinking about a lot of things with this post.
The post directly above me addresses some of my concerns, which is we got rid of OD, don't know about the draft picks but that guy is still lighting it up and we have no TE's.
This idea that we are going to draft people and the sit them and make them inactive ie Louis Nix, Jalin Strong. That's crazy. Can we not scout better? I have never seen that.

I am going to say this again. If your plan was Mallett, then you belonged bringing him in with accolades. And, letting your fan base make allowances for him and the fact that he never started a game. You started in Feb of 2014 trying to acquire him. Your first move as head coach was to try to bluff Bill Belichick? Really? You have fans wondering what you're doing because you don't communicate it because you know we have to be cloak and dagger.

Then we still screw around with Belichick to the point that Terry Bradshaw is now out saying we were forced to take Mallett because we really wanted Grapalo. And that our coaches hate both of our QBs. If we really wanted Grapalo, which makes sense, why did we not just get out there and do that.

And now we have a QB that does great in uptempo, likes to do things fast and not think too much, but we don't do that with him. We make him roll out and call very bad plays. Why?
As a Head coach why is O'Brien not stepping and working with Godsey. If he is that is a further inditement. Coaches need to work with their personnel even if it means they have to make some changes to their super complex offense that no one understands apparently.

I"m just disgusted with all of this. We are going to hire a coach with NFL experience is NOT Bill Obrien. (memo to Mr. McNair). That means Bill Cowher, Tony Dungey, even Jon Gruden maybe even Lovie Smith.

And i swear i'm done with this team if we pick Christian Hackenberg over Conner Cook or Jared Goff, if that situation presents itself.
 
Texan_fan_13 said:
We all know in this organization that is not true. Kubiak and Obrien have final say so.
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Well most of us know that, for those who don't let allow me to repost;

First there is not a a bigger fan based in reality than myself. I've been beating that drum for the last 4 years and I've been mostly right. I too have made a lot people angry with me because of it. Now there are a lot of kool aid drinking fans here who believe that the Texans front office can do no wrong and believe every word they say. I know I used to be one. Today is their day, start of the season. You and I should take our leave from Texans Talk and let them enjoy their parade. I always do and will today also. I'll return when it is apparent that another season is lost. I'll be mostly in the college/draft section until then.

On to Rick, your wrong about Rick Smith. Smith is a GM in name only. Smith came from Denver where he was an Asst. GM and the actual role he plays today for the Texans. You like reality that's the reality of the situation today. How do I know? I have followed every move, read every article, watched every interview and press conference. You can watch many of those, they are archived in Texans website. Smith came to Houston via Kubiak's recommendation to do in Houston what he was doing in Denver, be an assistant General Manager.

If you were attentive to the situation you would know that Smith reorganized, fired and replaced many in the College and Pro Scouting departments. There are news articles detailing this. If you read and watched every post draft interview you would know that Smith orchestrates the draft but doesn't pick the players. You would know that Alex Gibbs made the decision to draft Duane Brown but Smith advised that they could trade back in RD 1 and still get him. You would also know that Frank Bush was responsible for drafting Cushing and Wade for drafting JJ Watt and Mercilus. You would know that Kubiak promised Gibbs everything he needed to take the job because at the time the Texans running game was abysmal. You would also know that Bob McNair promised Wade first RD picks to take the coordinator job to fix the abysmal defense. You would know that O'Brien/Crennel drafted Louis Nix and Smith advised they needed to move up to be sure.

Over the years after reading and watching all things Texans you would know that Cal and Rick became BFFs. When Andre Johnson held out and Smith made a mess of things you saw how Bob McNair put Smith on the sidelines and handled the Andre situation himself. The decisions on early and extended contracts, were Bob McNair decisions, Rick was just carrying out what McNair had decided. The years of re-negotiated contracts and living in salary cap hell were all Bob McNair decisions, Smith was just carrying out orders. You knew this because you'd heard McNair say earlier, "we have the money and we're going to spend it."

Like Kubiak, O'Brien has final say on player personnel. What that means is the Texans head coach makes the decision on all player transactions on who gets signed and who doesn't. Rick Smith's official title is Exec VP, GM and Cal's BFF, in REALITY his true job description is ASSISTANT General Manager. So now you want to know who is the real GM? Bob McNair, of course. That's why McNair goes to the office early every day and stays 10 to 12 hours a day. What do you think McNair does all day long? Twiddle his thumbs or engages staff in a game of tiddly winks? I think not.
 
speedfreek said:
This team should have made it's biggest leap under Obrien in year 2. Instead, at one point in the game,
we had the largest deficit in Texans history. (second largest was in the expansion season)

There is a reason RAC was unemployed when BoB hired him. We have too many guys with no legit
coaching experience until BoB hired them. Seems like the only criteria you really need is to have been
on the patriots payroll at some point.

Look at Penn State right now. They stink. They are playing with Obrien's recruits and losing to Temple.

I want no part of Obrien being our head coach next year. You want this guy making the decision on who
our next franchise QB is? Not me..

He will burn a damned first round pick on Hackenberg, just because he had him at Penn State.

If BoB is such a great damned QB whisperer why does Fitz look better out of the gate this year with the
Jets than he did with us last year?

BoB is definitely in over he butt-chinned head.
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1. Some didn't believe this team was going to make the leap you thought they were going to make.
2. RAC is a good coach but you are right that the Texans went cheap hiring unproven asst coaches. This has been a recurrent theme of all of the regimes here. (Kubiak's Richard Smith/Frank Bush hires for example.)
3. Penn St. stinks because they hired Franklin (Who stinks) and recruiting sanctions have caught up with them.
4. I liked Hackenberg alot, he had a strong arm/good ball placement, seems to be sharp etc.... but after the beating he has taken under Franklin I'm afraid he's broken and his issues cant be fixed. (Sad for Hackenberg, but these are the repercussions of going to a program that let a child molester prey on innocent children for yrs.)
5. Fitz is still Fitz fro what I can tell, the Jets just have better personnel around him. (Objectively tell me their defense is worse than the Texans. The Jets have a better LB/DB corps and I would say the DL's are about equal. The offense for the Jets has better RB's (Foster is always hurt) much better WR's and Fitz still doesn't throw to the TE's.
6. The jury is still out on BOB. I think he can be a great HC but all of this still comes down to the people making the personnel decisions and ownership. For instance McCagnan sure looks better since the Jets ownership let him sign Revis/Cromartie and trade for Marshall. Would the Texans ownership ever approve these types of moves? They did one time, (The JoJo/Manning FA yr) and were rewarded with the only 2 playoff appearances in there history.

BTW, Rick Smith has to go.
 
Corrosion said:
So ... (this might deserve its own thread) .... What do you all think of OB benching Mullet for Hoyer ?!

Now what ?! Back to Mullet Thursday ?! Give Horrible another shot ?! You've shown no confidence in either .... what a mess.
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I'm a BOB fan and I have a huge problem with how he's handling the QB's. We know what Hoyer is, he needs to run with Mallett and see what he's got. If Mallett stinks then they should have a high enough draft pick to get a franchise type QB next yr.

To me the defensive issues are more troubling than the offense. The offense is about what I expected it be.
 
steelbtexan said:
I'm a BOB fan and I have a huge problem with how he's handling the QB's. We know what Hoyer is, he needs to run with Mallett and see what he's got. If Mallett stinks then they should have a high enough draft pick to get a franchise type QB next yr.
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I don't know what he's doing at the QB position yet. He pulled Mallett... may have been warranted (I didn't get to see the whole game). If he decides that Hoyer is the starter going forward, then yeah... I've got an issue with that.

steelbtexan said:
To me the defensive issues are more troubling than the offense. The offense is about what I expected it be.
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Well, I expected trouble, but I figured we'd get it going... better than what I did see by game 4. Mallett's third start this season.

Remember that first ball Mallett skipped off the turf? Two receivers sitting there looking for the ball. Now, I think Mallett should have done a better job of getting the ball to one of the two, but what if that was supposed to be a pick play where one of those two were supposed to continue his route?

I'm pretty sure a mistake was made there, by the receivers & it's mistakes like that I expected to be out of the way by this time.
 
Texian said:
Well most of us know that, for those who don't let allow me to repost;

First there is not a a bigger fan based in reality than myself. I've been beating that drum for the last 4 years and I've been mostly right. I too have made a lot people angry with me because of it. Now there are a lot of kool aid drinking fans here who believe that the Texans front office can do no wrong and believe every word they say. I know I used to be one. Today is their day, start of the season. You and I should take our leave from Texans Talk and let them enjoy their parade. I always do and will today also. I'll return when it is apparent that another season is lost. I'll be mostly in the college/draft section until then.

On to Rick, your wrong about Rick Smith. Smith is a GM in name only. Smith came from Denver where he was an Asst. GM and the actual role he plays today for the Texans. You like reality that's the reality of the situation today. How do I know? I have followed every move, read every article, watched every interview and press conference. You can watch many of those, they are archived in Texans website. Smith came to Houston via Kubiak's recommendation to do in Houston what he was doing in Denver, be an assistant General Manager.

If you were attentive to the situation you would know that Smith reorganized, fired and replaced many in the College and Pro Scouting departments. There are news articles detailing this. If you read and watched every post draft interview you would know that Smith orchestrates the draft but doesn't pick the players. You would know that Alex Gibbs made the decision to draft Duane Brown but Smith advised that they could trade back in RD 1 and still get him. You would also know that Frank Bush was responsible for drafting Cushing and Wade for drafting JJ Watt and Mercilus. You would know that Kubiak promised Gibbs everything he needed to take the job because at the time the Texans running game was abysmal. You would also know that Bob McNair promised Wade first RD picks to take the coordinator job to fix the abysmal defense. You would know that O'Brien/Crennel drafted Louis Nix and Smith advised they needed to move up to be sure.

Over the years after reading and watching all things Texans you would know that Cal and Rick became BFFs. When Andre Johnson held out and Smith made a mess of things you saw how Bob McNair put Smith on the sidelines and handled the Andre situation himself. The decisions on early and extended contracts, were Bob McNair decisions, Rick was just carrying out what McNair had decided. The years of re-negotiated contracts and living in salary cap hell were all Bob McNair decisions, Smith was just carrying out orders. You knew this because you'd heard McNair say earlier, "we have the money and we're going to spend it."

Like Kubiak, O'Brien has final say on player personnel. What that means is the Texans head coach makes the decision on all player transactions on who gets signed and who doesn't. Rick Smith's official title is Exec VP, GM and Cal's BFF, in REALITY his true job description is ASSISTANT General Manager. So now you want to know who is the real GM? Bob McNair, of course. That's why McNair goes to the office early every day and stays 10 to 12 hours a day. What do you think McNair does all day long? Twiddle his thumbs or engages staff in a game of tiddly winks? I think not.
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I have seen you post this twice now and I didn't respond the first time because it was stupid, but now that you keep popping up with it let me dissect it.

First of all you are a troll not a fan. Beating your pathetic chest saying "haha told you so". Fans like you make me sick. Being a pessimist rooting for a bad team doesn't make you right, it makes you a loser.

Rick Smith is the GM for the Houston Texans whether you believe it or not. He may have gotten this job on the back of Gary and maybe he even leaned heavily on Gary for personnel moves, but as soon as Gary saw the door and Rick started interviewing for the new HC, any crutch he had to lean on to save his ass was gone.

Your next paragraph is pure speculation and absurd. Every GM in the league works directly with the team to pick players. They sit down weekly and have meetings about the team, the players and the type of players they want. Every coach (OC and DC included) has specific type of players they like and they leave it up to the scouting department and GM to find players who fit this mold. You have literally zero proof that Smith wanted to trade back for Brown, in fact there was an insane run on OTs in the first round and Brown was the last good one left. Do you know when the next OT was drafted? The third round. And he isn't even a OT anymore he is a guard. So if anything, picking Brown there was a plus for Smith (one of only a few).

Cal and Rick may be BFFs, but it doesn't negate the fact he has a job to do and gets paid to do it. He isn't riding the pine while McNair meddles with the contracts. He may put pressure on Smith to get something done, but he doesn't force players on coaches like some believe he does (letting Dre walk this season should be proof enough of that).

The fact is Smith blows. Ever wonder why we continue to get gashed by the run or why special teams is so bad? Because the lack of depth, especially on LB is the worst in the league.

I have to go meet a client, but when I get back I will go into detail about the lack of good draft picks and free agent signings. Smith is terrible and its about time we dive deeper into his failures.
 
All coaches look bad without a competent QB. This is the state of football. Until we get one, BoB will continue to look bad.

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I don't know what he's doing at the QB position yet. He pulled Mallett... may have been warranted (I didn't get to see the whole game). If he decides that Hoyer is the starter going forward, then yeah... I've got an issue with that.

Well, I expected trouble, but I figured we'd get it going... better than what I did see by game 4. Mallett's third start this season.

Remember that first ball Mallett skipped off the turf? Two receivers sitting there looking for the ball. Now, I think Mallett should have done a better job of getting the ball to one of the two, but what if that was supposed to be a pick play where one of those two were supposed to continue his route?

I'm pretty sure a mistake was made there, by the receivers & it's mistakes like that I expected to be out of the way by this time.
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Really... you thought our offense was going to get it going with a patchwork O-Line and no real run game with Foster out? I would withhold judgement on BoB's ability to get going and adapt once we get Brown and Foster back. It sucks, but it is what it is. Right now, this offense is hard pressed to beat any team on any Sunday, unless our D wakes up and that's the sad truth of it. We are struggling even to get first downs. That said, the silver lining is that if we keep losing games, we can get another high draft pick and hopefully there will be a franchise QB this time. Either way, I am excited to see how the D bounces back. Idealistically, I hope Foster comes back and we go on a tear as his running opens up our passing game. Realistically, I want to see our D at least come together and KJv2 get far more time to develop.
 

And what realistic options did he have? When you have to go dumpster diving, you don't expect to find good, whole prime ribs and sirloins.
 
I'll take Sean Payton after he's fired at the end of the year. Hopefully he will bring Brees with him.
 
The same two people have been here for a long time now. McNair and Rick Smith.

We're doomed.
 
chenjy9 said:
All coaches look bad without a competent QB. This is the state of football. Until we get one, BoB will continue to look bad.
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I've seen coaches with non-special qb's get their teams to a decent record. I've seen coaches that didn't appear to be all that good carried by their qb.

OB appeared to have done the former last year with fitz and the gang at qb. This year, the team overall has seemed to regress. The defense isn't getting all those turnovers which seems to be the key difference IMO.

Bob got lucky last year with a team that played some really good defense. It helped keep or swing momentum, and it gave his shitty offense more chances. Also Arian was playing well and AJ of last season and Hopkins were better than what we have this year.

More continuity on the OLine.

The scary thing about your statement is that OB, seemingly backed by McNair, thought or thinks they don't need a top qb.

The whole time we never planned on spending the resources to get a top billed qb. So if we go with your statement as being true, then we are in a really shitty place.
 
mridge01 said:
Again, he did it to himself. Keeping Fitzpatrick would have been a better option than bringing in Hoyer.
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Hindsight is 20/20. Fits also played with a better o-line and receivers. He was also thought of as worse than Hoyer last season I believe.
 
chenjy9 said:
Really... you thought our offense was going to get it going with a patchwork O-Line and no real run game with Foster out? I would withhold judgement on BoB's ability to get going and adapt once we get Brown and Foster back.
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I gave a specific example about two receivers being in the same spot looking for the ball... yeah, I expected to get that kind of stuff worked out by now.
 
xtruroyaltyx said:
I've seen coaches with non-special qb's get their teams to a decent record. I've seen coaches that didn't appear to be all that good carried by their qb.

OB appeared to have done the former last year with fitz and the gang at qb. This year, the team overall has seemed to regress. The defense isn't getting all those turnovers which seems to be the key difference IMO.

Bob got lucky last year with a team that played some really good defense. It helped keep or swing momentum, and it gave his shitty offense more chances. Also Arian was playing well and AJ of last season and Hopkins were better than what we have this year.

More continuity on the OLine.

The scary thing about your statement is that OB, seemingly backed by McNair, thought or thinks they don't need a top qb.

The whole time we never planned on spending the resources to get a top billed qb. So if we go with your statement as being true, then we are in a really shitty place.
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Meh hopefully there is one in the draft this year and we grab him instead of another defensive player.
 
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