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Brian hoyer to sign with Texans

Rye & Mullet must be kicking himself for signing with the Texans after seeing Hoyer come in and get more money. I don't expect Mullet to regain the form he showed in that first game, but think he'll be a whale of a lot better than Joyero. Let's hope his resentment over what the Texans did won't affect his play adversely.
 
Danny White and Roger Staubach. While nominally co-starters, White started on top - Staubach won. I'd say Staubach went on to a pretty good career.

Putting aside the White/Morton mistake that was a disaster. It is commonly listed as Landry's biggest coaching mistake. The team got so fed up with it they revolted on him and sent Lilly with an ultimatum.
 
Just wait till next year. The winner will get his before his FA season. The loser will be gone and replaced by Savage as the backup. Unless that is, both stink up the joint.

That may be true.. but for 2015, the team gets both and that isn't a bad thing.
 
Putting aside the White/Morton mistake that was a disaster. It is commonly listed as Landry's biggest coaching mistake. The team got so fed up with it they revolted on him and sent Lilly with an ultimatum.

Yes. But a clear winner emerged who was not adversely affected by the competition. But I hope we find that guy quickly rather than letting it draw out.
 
Rye & Mullet must be kicking himself for signing with the Texans after seeing Hoyer come in and get more money. I don't expect Mullet to regain the form he showed in that first game, but think he'll be a whale of a lot better than Joyero. Let's hope his resentment over what the Texans did won't affect his play adversely.

Sounds like a great name for an English Pub.
 
Putting aside the White/Morton mistake that was a disaster. It is commonly listed as Landry's biggest coaching mistake. The team got so fed up with it they revolted on him and sent Lilly with an ultimatum.

^^^^
this

People should atleast get their QB's correct if they are trying to prove a point.
 
I personally feel Hoyer is an insurance policy backup. Pricey, yes, but O'Brien just went through a season where he needed four QBs by the end due to injury.

I think Mallett is the penciled in starter that will compete for his job, and I have no doubt that both QBs know that they have to compete. That's just going to make both of them better.

But, having QBs that you have history with and who know your system from years of learning it in NE, along with learning the many facets of how to be a pro from a HoF QB, I think this is a good situation.

As far as now knowing if Mallett is starter worthy, how is that different than if the Texans had drafted a QB in the first round? You never know about a player until they actually play the games, so it's all an educated shot in the dark until that point.

At least with Mallett (and even Hoyer), they have quite a few positives over getting a rookie QB.

I cannot help but be optimistic and hopeful about our QBs this year. Maybe it is misplaced optimism, but so be it. I just feel that seeing O'Brien make chicken salad out of chicken poop with Fitzy last season, having a chance to work with these two QBs through an entire off-season could really pay dividends.
 
Just hope this "sign Brian Hoyer to be insurance for Ryan Mallett" situation turns out better for the Texans than the whole "sign Isaiah Thomas to be insurance for Eric Bledsoe" thing that the Suns tried did.
 
But, having QBs that you have history with and who know your system from years of learning it in NE, along with learning the many facets of how to be a pro from a HoF QB, I think this is a good situation.

That brings up another point... you'll actually be able to teach more players faster, because you're not having to teach your QB so much. The first & second team can be going full speed on parallel paths... WRs, TEs, OL, RBs will be working on the same thing & be more apt to going from the second team to the first team & not miss a beat.

Godsey could be coaching the first team, OB can be coaching the second team... maybe this could work out for the better.
 
Just hope this "sign Brian Hoyer to be insurance for Ryan Mallett" situation turns out better for the Texans than the whole "sign Isaiah Thomas to be insurance for Eric Bledsoe" thing that the Suns tried did.
Me, too. And I have no clue about the Isaiah Thomas/insurance/Eric Bledsoe thing.
 
Back up plan Hoyer is getting more money than a starter? Is this usual? Seems to me like Texans will let Hoyer and Mallett battle it out for starting QB position.
 
Back up plan Hoyer is getting more money than a starter? Is this usual?...
Yes, but it would've been the same with Fitzpatrick.

Mallett chose to sign a "prove it" deal. If he shows well and stays healthy, he'll make bank.

I think Mallett is the penciled in starter that will compete for his job, and I have no doubt that both QBs know that they have to compete. That's just going to make both of them better...

Agree, and shouldn't it be that way every year? Would people be upset if Tom Savage came in and played lights out and won the starting job? Or would it be "wrong" because his pay is too low and it's not what we expected? Go with the best player... I don't care which one it is.
 
Or would it be "wrong" because his pay is too low and it's not what we expected? Go with the best player... I don't care which one it is.

This is the offseason. We're just trying to read the tea leaves. They guaranteed Fitzpatrick $3.5M last season, we "knew" he was slotted to be the starter. He started camp as the starter. He started the season as the starter.

Hoyer was guaranteed more than Fitz was.
 
What are the odds/possibilities that Hoyer gets traded this season or middle of next?

If Mallet wins the job and plays well enough to have earned a new contract or proved it, why not promote Savage to #2 and trade Hoyer for draft pick? If Schaub and Fitz can be traded, Hoyer could get 6th right?

Savage as a fourth round pick eventually should be able to a spot as 2 and not need Hoyer. Could he be traded this or middle of next season?


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What are the odds/possibilities that Hoyer gets traded this season or middle of next?

If Mallet wins the job and plays well enough to have earned a new contract or proved it, why not promote Savage to #2 and trade Hoyer for draft pick? If Schaub and Fitz can be traded, Hoyer could get 6th right?

Savage as a fourth round pick eventually should be able to a spot as 2 and not need Hoyer. Could he be traded this or middle of next season?


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Having three QBs on the roster affords the Texans some flexibility. This should prove useful late in the season with a third QB either needed due to our own injury situation or from demand by others for a starting caliber QB because of their injury or confidence problems. The cost is depth elsewhere.

I'm certainly not pulling my remaining hair out over this.

My guess is three on the roster and one on the practice squad so a trade would not leave us depleted.
 
Other than rookie contracts like Bridgewater and Wilson, no.

Which is essentially what's happening with Mallett here, seeing as this is the first time in his career he's going into a season with anything resembling a leg up on the starter's job. He's taking on an advanced rookie's deal, which is what he is, with Hoyer brought in at a veteran insurance policy pay rate.
 
Hoyer brings football junkie mentality to Texans
For the last two years, Cleveland Browns left tackle Joe Thomas observed quarterback Brian Hoyer in practice, meetings, games and get-togethers away from football.

Thomas, an eight-time Pro Bowl selection, was on vacation last week but still eager to talk about Hoyer and his respect for the new Texans quarterback who will compete with Ryan Mallett for the starting job.

"I don't know that I've ever been around anybody more driven to succeed at football than Brian," Thomas said. "He just exudes competitiveness. You can tell how important football is to him by the way he conducts himself and the way he attacks meetings and practice.

"Brian leads by example, and he demands everyone get right in line behind him. That's the kind of quarterback you need - someone who's going to demand that everybody put in the time and effort he puts in. He backs it up because of what he does on the field, in practice and the meeting room."
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"Houston was probably going to be No. 1 on his list if the money made sense because of his relationship with O'Brien and the quarterbacks coach (George Godsey)," Thomas said. "He's such a smart guy. He wouldn't have a problem picking up a different offense, but having that familiarity with their system is really going to help him.

"Brian's always had to prove himself everywhere he's gone. And he's always gone above and beyond the expectations people had for him."
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Enter Manziel

While Hoyer was recovering from knee surgery, the Browns drafted Manziel in the first round. From the night of the draft through the end of the season, Hoyer was forced to look over his shoulder at the rookie from Texas A&M.

Players and coaches were in Hoyer's corner. The owner, administrative executives and marketing people wanted Manziel.
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His teammates watched Hoyer and Manizel closely.

"He handled it like a pro, just like you'd expect him to handle it," Thomas said. "Obviously, he wasn't happy that we drafted Johnny. Nobody would have been in his situation.

"You know that if they draft somebody at your position in the first round, you're pretty much out the door. There was no animosity between them. He did everything he could to help Johnny because he's a true professional."
...
 
I'm tellin' ya, I'm thinking Mallett may have his hands full trying to win the starter job.

That's a good thing! I want it to be tough on both Mallet and Hoyer to win the job. Also hope Savage comes in with a taste for being a starter and pushes the two vets.

We need a guy who can handle the pressure and loves to compete.
 
NFLN is replaying the Saints@Browns game from last season. The Browns are a deceptively talented team. No names now, but if they can figure out that QB thing, that might not last long.

The offense doesn't look very mature as Hoyer is having to adlib a lot. I'll tell you what, he's probably the best improvisor we've ever had as a QB... that alone could be fun to watch if he wins the starting job.

It's interesting watching him play against Brees. We know Brees can play better than he has this year, or last year, but for this game Hoyer played as good or better. .. enough to get the win anyway. I'm sure 'cak is going to come up with the stats showing Brees clearly outshined Hoyer, but just eyeballing it here, it's a toss up.

:bigboss:
 
I'm tellin' ya, I'm thinking Mallett may have his hands full trying to win the starter job.

Shouldn't, imo.

Hoyer was a smart signing because he knows and can run this offense during OTAs -- something I couldn't say about Fitzbeard even after his partial season in it.

Why are OTAs important? 1) Best learning time, and QB is the pipe through which the offense runs and is taught. If the QB restricts, everyone else stands around waiting. If QB is conversant in the scheme, trickle down learning happens faster and he can even teach this offense to others thereby accelerating the process. Add to that...

2) Mallett's recovery should restrict him to light duty during OTAs as Dr. CND pointed out. It'll be traing camp before Mallett is full-bore, full go... if managed properly. So Hoyer > Fitzbeard in more than one way.
 
Shouldn't, imo.

Hoyer was a smart signing because he knows and can run this offense during OTAs -- something I couldn't say about Fitzbeard even after his partial season in it.

Why are OTAs important? 1) Best learning time, and QB is the pipe through which the offense runs and is taught. If the QB restricts, everyone else stands around waiting. If QB is conversant in the scheme, trickle down learning happens faster and he can even teach this offense to others thereby accelerating the process. Add to that...

it's also difficult to assert yourself as the leader when you don't know what you're supposed to be doing. Kinda hard for OB to point to Fitz when he's asking questions.
 
I'm tellin' ya, I'm thinking Mallett may have his hands full trying to win the starter job.
Agreed. I thought i was in the minority but I actually think Brian Hoyer has the leg up on the competition. As of now I consider Brian Hoyer the starting quarterback. It's up to Ryan Mallett to out-perform him in training camp and the preseason.
 
Shouldn't, imo.

Hoyer was a smart signing because he knows and can run this offense during OTAs -- something I couldn't say about Fitzbeard even after his partial season in it.

Why are OTAs important? 1) Best learning time, and QB is the pipe through which the offense runs and is taught. If the QB restricts, everyone else stands around waiting. If QB is conversant in the scheme, trickle down learning happens faster and he can even teach this offense to others thereby accelerating the process. Add to that...

2) Mallett's recovery should restrict him to light duty during OTAs as Dr. CND pointed out. It'll be traing camp before Mallett is full-bore, full go... if managed properly. So Hoyer > Fitzbeard in more than one way.

So, while Mallett heals up, Hoyer has May and June to learn the strengths of the receiving corps, get his timing down with those guys, and make sure they read defensive keys the same way he reads the defensive keys - making it more likely they make the same adjustments he does at the line.

I'm just saying, Mallett better be a strong swimmer cause he's swimming upstream to win that job.

...unless this QB competition talk is just a bunch of noise or Hoyer fails big time.

to be clear, this is a good thing. As other folks have said, both should be better for it.
I just think it's early to proclaim Mallett the starter.
 
...make sure they read defensive keys the same way he reads the defensive keys - making it more likely they make the same adjustments he does at the line...

Not "he", the QB. There is a difference.

Mallett will be behind because of his rehab, but he should have the majority of TC to get up to speed. Competition, always. Expectation, Mallett.
 
I'm tellin' ya, I'm thinking Mallett may have his hands full trying to win the starter job.

"I don't know that I've ever been around anybody more driven to succeed at football than Brian," Thomas said. "He just exudes competitiveness. You can tell how important football is to him by the way he conducts himself and the way he attacks meetings and practice.

"Brian leads by example, and he demands everyone get right in line behind him. That's the kind of quarterback you need - someone who's going to demand that everybody put in the time and effort he puts in. He backs it up because of what he does on the field, in practice and the meeting room."
What an outstanding QB Brian Hoyer would be...

...if he was good at passing a football.
 
Not "he", the QB. There is a difference.

Mallett will be behind because of his rehab, but he should have the majority of TC to get up to speed. Competition, always. Expectation, Mallett.

True.
...maybe
Anyguy who lines up under center should be taught the same keys and taught to make the same adjustments based on those keys.

But how often to two people witness the same situation/event and take away two different things from it or have two different responses to it?
:)
 
What an outstanding QB Brian Hoyer would be...

...if he was good at passing a football.

Note that I'm only saying that Hoyer should have the edge going into camp. If Mallett is more accurate, makes his reads quicker and gets the ball out of his hands faster, then he'll overtake Hoyer and win the job.

Gonna be fun to watch.

This brings another question to mind.... who will be the sacrificial camp arm while Mallett is healing up during OTAs? Does Mallett's rehab mean Savage gets more reps or will they bring in a JAG for OTAs and mini-camp?
 
Hoyer succeeding and becoming the next Drew Brees is actually the kind of luck you would expect from the Browns. So maybe there's some hope?
 
This brings another question to mind.... who will be the sacrificial camp arm while Mallett is healing up during OTAs? Does Mallett's rehab mean Savage gets more reps or will they bring in a JAG for OTAs and mini-camp?

Yes and yes. Savage gets more reps and we bring a JAG or two to OTAs.

Haven't heard anything on who, yet.
 
Non-Sense Stat of the Day
Brian Hoyer was the Cleveland Browns only winning quarterback since the franchise came back to the NFL since 1999. His 10-6 record (.625 winning percentage) in 16 starts for the Browns is the best winning percentage of the 21 other quarterbacks who have started a game.

The List
Tim Couch (22-37)
Ty Detmer (0-2)
Doug Pederson (1-7)
Spergon Wynn (0-1)
Kelly Holcomb (4-8)
Jeff Garcia (3-7)
Luke McCown (0-4)
Trent Dilfer (4-7)
Charlie Frye (6-13)
Derek Anderson (16-18)
Brady Quinn (3-9)
Ken Dorsey (0-3)
Bruce Gradkowski (0-1)
Colt McCoy (6-15)
Jake Delhomme (2-2)
Seneca Wallace (1-6)
Brandon Weeden (5-15)
Thad Lewis (0-1)
Jason Campbell (1-7)
Johnny Manziel (0-2)
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I'm waiting for the Brian Hoyer cut by the Texans thread.

Once that happens, maybe we'll have a starting QB.

I doubt we'll cut any of the three QBs. They really are a good collection. Hoyer is the veteran, whether as starter or backup. Mallett is the project nearing completion. Savage is the future hope with a year of experience in the system.

They all have roles to play and any could do well if called upon.
 
So... if you are one those who believe Hoyer should be given a fair shot at earning our starting QB job... what do you think of his inconsistent play in 2014?

Most believe he was having a fairly decent year with the Browns (he is their most successful QB in recent years) but as the playoffs got closer... when the games started to take on real meaning... he faded. He turned in some really bad games, so bad, he was actually benched.

In another thread I threw out three stats I will use to objectively assess our QBS as the year progresses. Better than 90 passer rating, better than 60% completion, & better than 7 yards per attempt.

In 2014 Hoyer only had four games where he had all three. After 13 starts.

After starting 13, playing 14 games, he had back to back games with a passer rating over 90 once.

There's no reason to believe Mallett would have done any better, or to believe he will. This is the Hoyer thread... do you believe he'll be more consistent as a Texans? Why?
 
Where do you vote, "I HAVE NO CLUE until I see him play?" It's OK to not know and want to find out in training camp instead of "knowing" before everyone else.
 
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