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Blake Bortles

Where were you guys with before the draft?

Seemed like Texian and I were the only ones that weren't listening to the crap that was suggesting that he wasn't worthy of a #1 pick for our injured Lawrence Taylor of 2014.


Yes, he is going to be good. Really good most likely, and not only did we pass on him, but we let another team in our division get him.


That stink from Smithiak still exists as long as Smith is still here unfortunately.
 
Im more pissed that we didnt trade a 5th to move up two spots from our 2nd pick to get Teddy. We picked an OL that doesnt even start for Teddy.
 
Not to the same extent as Texian, but I wanted Bortles badly. Even said in my last mock that he'd be the pick if I were the GM, over everybody else in the draft.

But I can't exactly get mad at them for taking Clowney. It's not like he was some random selection. Widely considered to be the most physically talented player in the draft.
 
Bortles looked good in the 1st half but looked like a rookie in the 2nd where he threw 2 ints and got sacked a couple times.
 
EllisUnit said:
We win yet we and Fitz still sucks. Jax losses 14 to 33 and yet we whiffed on 1-1 pick....:kitten:

I would say we should wait a few seasons before asking ourselves this question....
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People were also saying how good the Jags were going to be because of their coach and FAs .
 
stingray said:
Yep, no doubt. But its only one game.
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Same for Bortles.

Teddy will the best out of that class and that's been my thinking since before the draft. All those dumb teams passing on him because of a bad pro day.

EDIT: And we could've had both Clowney and Bridgewater.
 
b0ng said:
Same for Bortles.

Teddy will the best out of that class and that's been my thinking since before the draft. All those dumb teams passing on him because of a bad pro day.

EDIT: And we could've had both Clowney and Bridgewater.
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I was getting happy on draft night thinking we would get Clowney and Bridgewater. Oh so close.
 
Problem Texans are having in the draft is everyone knows Texans need a QB. So Rick Smith will have to be more proactive. Translation: Texans will trade up in next years draft to secure/address QB.
 
I did not want Clowney because of motor question. From what little I've seen, that is not a problem. Health issue a concern but as of now I am ok with him as I actually like Savage and we seem to have upgraded with a cheap Mallett. If O'Brien is the QB guru many say, he will make it work with one or the other and still have a dynamo to match with Watt. I am actually more despondent over Nix and X. I hoped both would start by now.
 
b0ng said:
Same for Bortles.

Teddy will the best out of that class and that's been my thinking since before the draft. All those dumb teams passing on him because of a bad pro day.

EDIT: And we could've had both Clowney and Bridgewater.
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Oh, you are preaching to the choir. I am a Teddy man, have been since college.
 
I was in the Teddy camp. Absolute dream scenario came about when we took Clowney #1 and Bridgewater was still there at the end of the 1st. I liked Su'a-Filo, but would trade him and a 4th/5th round pick for Teddy any day.
 
I wanted Watkins and then Garoppolo in the third... which couldn't have actually happened.

At this point, I'm not upset with how we drafted. I'm fine with Bortles being a Jaguar and Bridgewater being a Viking thus far.
 
Texecutioner said:
Where were you guys with before the draft?

Seemed like Texian and I were the only ones that weren't listening to the crap that was suggesting that he wasn't worthy of a #1 pick for our injured Lawrence Taylor of 2014.


Yes, he is going to be good. Really good most likely, and not only did we pass on him, but we let another team in our division get him.


That stink from Smithiak still exists as long as Smith is still here unfortunately.
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At which point does anger cease being a response and become an obsession?
 
Still making the same mistakes he did in college....1 half of greatness followed by 1 half of trash..It's ok after all he is pretty much fresh out of college up to this point. & Like TB, Its just 1 game...He'll probably get better...just not to the extent that his fans think he will. He'll likely end up Jay Cutler 2.0...At times he'll look unstoppable...those will be sandwhiched more often than not by those "WTF games". And if his line & run game don't get fixed, he'll have lots of nagging injuries all the time too....

On some level, i'm sort of happy for jag fans. His up and down performances will likely have the jags spending the next 4 years trying to figure out if he's the guy or not (see the titans & Jake Locker) & it should make their games very winnable for us the next few years.
 
I dont understand why people are upset here. We have no idea just how good Clowney, Bortles, Bridgewater or Xavier will be.

You still don't like that we passed on Bridgewater (who I wanted at the top of the 2nd) for Xavier? We have a center playing LG! Xavier can also play tackle. Just think about that. If Jones, Brown or Newton go down, you will be glad we have depth at the position and not just another scrub filling in. We draft a skill player and people ***** about needing to build in the trenches. We draft a lineman and people ***** about not getting a skill player. I guess its the way NFL fandom goes.

Calling Clowney injury prone? You jump as high as you can in the air, come down in a hole and then tell me how healthy your knees are.
 
DocBar said:
The dude looks like a damned good QB. Did the Texans whiff on 1-1?
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Too soon for this question. We will not really be able to objectively analyze it for at least a couple of years.

We need to see what we have in Clowney, as well as see what Bortles is like over series of seasons as he matures into the position.

I liked him before the draft and would not have had a problem if the Texans had picked him. What impressed me about him was his clutch performances, which is a trait that I really admire in QBs more than other intangibles.

But, in O'Brien we trust at this point, and Bortles just wasn't his man for whatever reason(s).
 
corytx8 said:
This reminds me of the Mario Williams, Reggie Bush and Vince Young debates......
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It's pretty much every year. The volume is just higher when it's the #1 pick.

I remember being thrilled when we drafted Watt, and when I came on here the place looked like it was about to implode.

I like Bortles. But I also like Clowney. And it's way too early to be talking about whether we made a mistake or not.
 
Blake said:
I dont understand why people are upset here. We have no idea just how good Clowney, Bortles, Bridgewater or Xavier will be.

You still don't like that we passed on Bridgewater (who I wanted at the top of the 2nd) for Xavier? We have a center playing LG! Xavier can also play tackle. Just think about that. If Jones, Brown or Newton go down, you will be glad we have depth at the position and not just another scrub filling in. We draft a skill player and people ***** about needing to build in the trenches. We draft a lineman and people ***** about not getting a skill player. I guess its the way NFL fandom goes.

Calling Clowney injury prone? You jump as high as you can in the air, come down in a hole and then tell me how healthy your knees are.
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^^ This'n right heea.

Next week the Cowboys are going to show the Texans how good a team can be with a solid offensive line. It isn't sexy, but without lineman there is no QB. That and I'm partial to my team having a solid defense and I didn't throw any furniture when Clowney was announced. Sucks he's hurt but it's been known to happen to a player from time to time (I say that with full awareness of his injury history).

I wince at our QB situation, but I'm not about to judge anything for a good while yet.
 
bah007 said:
I remember being thrilled when we drafted Watt, and when I came on here the place looked like it was about to implode.
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Just shows to go ya, us internet GMs might not be smarter than the guys who get paid to do it. But if I were to hire one, it would be you... you're eye has proven very good over time from what I've seen.

bah007 said:
I like Bortles. But I also like Clowney...
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Same here, really like both of them. Pulling for Teddy, too.
 
My biggest thing about Bortles was his reputation working his ass off and being the first guy and the last one to leave. He has that itch to be great from what all of his coaches said, and you saw it at the end of games when he was prepared and knew how to put his team on his back to win games.

Clowney on the other hand had a poor work ethic, constantly disappointed his coaches to where they leaked all sorts of stuff out there about him, and practically took a year off last season when his team needed him while they were a highly ranked team in the SEC. I wanted no part of a guy like that no matter how talented he was.

In the end I think we'll have some great plays from Clowney and maybe a great season or two, but he'll be up and down most likely and won't be an allot worker. Everyone has this dream that Watt is going to somehow follow him around like he is Louis Gosset Jr. from Officer And A Gentleman and will force Clowney to be at his best all of the time, but that is just silly to me. I hope that he can work as hard as Watt, but I don't see that in him. I know he can make a lot of great plays though. It is just a matter of how many seasons will he continually do it if he is highly paid?
 
Texecutioner said:
My biggest thing about Bortles was his reputation working his ass off and being the first guy and the last one to leave.
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This has become the most worn out cliched catch phrase, it no longer has any meaning to me. They say it about "everybody."


Texecutioner said:
Clowney on the other hand had a poor work ethic, constantly disappointed his coaches to where they leaked all sorts of stuff out there about him, and practically took a year off last season when his team needed him while they were a highly ranked team in the SEC. I wanted no part of a guy like that no matter how talented he was.
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From the way he's carried himself since he's been here, I think those reports were either unfounded, or just wrong. There is a chance that Clowney has taken all that criticism to heart & has become a better "pro" but I found it hard to believe to begin with.
 
thunderkyss said:
This has become the most worn out cliched catch phrase, it no longer has any meaning to me. They say it about "everybody."
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It doesn't matter whether if you believe it or not. It goes without saying if you intend on being a highly successful QB in the NFL. A lot of good QB's aren't doing that already in college. They don't have to in many cases, but Bortles was according to his staff. His work ethic in the film room was talked about a lot. There are tons of QB's around the league that have been criticized for not spending enough time in the film room to study defenses and offensive strategies. That is exactly why you hear about that phrase and that idea as much as you do, because of how relevant a lot of that is.





thunderkyss said:
From the way he's carried himself since he's been here, I think those reports were either unfounded, or just wrong. There is a chance that Clowney has taken all that criticism to heart & has become a better "pro" but I found it hard to believe to begin with.
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Unfounded because he went through a pre season? Lol! That just clears everything in the past up then ha? Well, call them unfounded all you want but tons of people saw it on the field throughout the year. That can't exactly be disputed. Either that, or you'd have to admit that the guy wasn't that great of a college player last year then. Call it injuries or whatever you'd like, but he wasn't nearly as effective as he was advertised. He has shown a light pattern of injury problems now. Hopefully this will be the end of it for a while. And as far as him taking criticism to be a better pro, well that is purely up to him. He has that opportunity. I certainly hope that he will as a Texans fan. I may criticize his past and what I thought of the pick, but I will be rooting for him to be a great player for many years.
 
Blake said:
I dont understand why people are upset here. We have no idea just how good Clowney, Bortles, Bridgewater or Xavier will be.

You still don't like that we passed on Bridgewater (who I wanted at the top of the 2nd) for Xavier? We have a center playing LG! Xavier can also play tackle. Just think about that. If Jones, Brown or Newton go down, you will be glad we have depth at the position and not just another scrub filling in. We draft a skill player and people ***** about needing to build in the trenches. We draft a lineman and people ***** about not getting a skill player. I guess its the way NFL fandom goes.

Calling Clowney injury prone? You jump as high as you can in the air, come down in a hole and then tell me how healthy your knees are.
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I agree with your point but on the bolded we don't know if Xavier is a scrub or not so we can't say one way or another. Right now he hasn't been able to crack the lineup. And if our tackles go down Xavier is not the first directon they are looking. We saw that Sunday when Brown went down. Newton switched and Clabo came in. I doubt Xavier is even the second option over Adams. So the 'versatility' means little right now.
 
XSF was supposed to be a starter, instead he's done nothing.
Him getting more PT isn't because of something he's done, it's because the rest of our OL is that bad.

There are guards and other OL of equal quality throughout the rest of the draft.

Jimmy G and Teddy B have the chance to be real difference makers right now - I'm certainly disappointed we missed the chance to get either of them
 
badboy said:
I did not want Clowney because of motor question. From what little I've seen, that is not a problem. Health issue a concern but as of now I am ok with him as I actually like Savage and we seem to have upgraded with a cheap Mallett. If O'Brien is the QB guru many say, he will make it work with one or the other and still have a dynamo to match with Watt. I am actually more despondent over Nix and X. I hoped both would start by now.
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Me as well. We all knew Nix had injury concerns so we got the bad end of that one. X looked to be a day one starter and that is not panning out.
 
Texecutioner said:
Unfounded because he went through a pre season? Lol! That just clears everything in the past up then ha? Well, call them unfounded all you want but tons of people saw it on the field throughout the year. That can't exactly be disputed. Either that, or you'd have to admit that the guy wasn't that great of a college player last year then. Call it injuries or whatever you'd like, but he wasn't nearly as effective as he was advertised.
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What you are taking about was an over reaction by common fans. Because the spotlight was directed at him so much and he had a down year stats wise, people assumed the worst. There were many many professional analyst that watched film of his down (stats) year and still came away impressed. The problem is that there are way more wanna be scouts and arm chair gms that don't have a clue that are throwing their opinions out there than there are real knowledgable scouts.

The rumor about his work ethic was also a product of that. There was never any real evidence of him being lazy or not a hard worker. Dumb ass Spurrier made a comment that was taking out of context because it was worded badly and it was t a ringing endorsement of his work ethic.

Poor coaching was as much responsible for his down year as injuries. It had nothing to do with his work ethic. The guy has DOMINATED on the field every year he has ever played until last year. Still his presence on the field last year had a big impact on the games. Teams game planned for him and his coaching staff did very little to counter it.

You can say I'm wrong and I don't know what I'm talkng about but when the draft rolled around, the people who get paid to analyze and to make decisions pretty much all agreed that clowney was hands down the best player in the draft and should be the #1 pick. I doubt any of the other 31 teams would of picked differently had they been @#1.
 
Blake said:
No Bortles love this week? Hmm, strange.
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Bortles as a rookie on this Texans team would equal a division win.

Think of the Texans like VY. All the gifts and physical attributes to win the game but mentally we are as dumb as a box of rocks.
 
don't think the scored a TD today

but he did go against that dick lambeo rookie Killa Dee

If mallet 1st start is against the steelers well then the same outcome may fall upon us only score 6 points at most
 
TEXANRED said:
Bortles as a rookie on this Texans team would equal a division win.

Think of the Texans like VY. All the gifts and physical attributes to win the game but mentally we are as dumb as a box of rocks.
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I'd like to believe OB would call a more exciting game, a less "hide your QB" game, with a rookie but truthfully I doubt it. We've got a real three down back, a talented defense, & the best punter to ever play the game (arguably). Conservative just may be the name of the game with OB.
 
Looks to me like he had a very Fitzpatrick type of day. Team won despite him. Good running by Dennard and Storm. Big plays by WR in taking that short route to the house.
 
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