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Top 5 Pre-Season QB, WR, OT; 2015 NFL Draft Eligible

Texian

Texian

Hall of Fame
Top QBs & WRs

QBs
1. Bryce Petty, Baylor
2. *Jamies Winston, FSU
3. *Kevin Hogan, Stanford
4. *Marcus Mariota, Oregon
5. Sean Mannion, Oregon State

WRs
1. *Amari Cooper, Alabama
2. *Sammie Coates, Auburn
3. Ty Montgomery, Stanford
4. DeVante Parker, Louisville
5. Rashad Greene, FSU

OT
1. Brandon Scherf, Iowa
2. Cedric Ogbuhei, TAMU
3. *Andrus Peat, Stanford
4. Cameron Erving, FSU
5. Brandon Shell, S Carolina

* = underclassman
 
I assume these are yours as you do not link? Pretty solid and too early to argue one above another. I also think you have highlighted areas of need. Based on what is known or at least what we have been told it seems AJ will be on roster 2015 barring a flame out. If so, do we go WR high seeking a replacement or wait until the 2016 draft? I am still very concerned about our safeties and corners as I see minimal depth if that, behind our starting CBs and that is if Harris shows up. I could see KJ signing and I can see him going elsewhere, depending a lot on not only team progress but $ offered. He is no Peterson but may get more than we are willing to pay.

I believe Texans will be drafting high enough to select at least two of the 15 you identify. We have to be very solid on our third and fourth picks.
 
badboy said:
I assume these are yours as you do not link? Pretty solid and too early to argue one above another. I also think you have highlighted areas of need. Based on what is known or at least what we have been told it seems AJ will be on roster 2015 barring a flame out. If so, do we go WR high seeking a replacement or wait until the 2016 draft? I am still very concerned about our safeties and corners as I see minimal depth if that, behind our starting CBs and that is if Harris shows up. I could see KJ signing and I can see him going elsewhere, depending a lot on not only team progress but $ offered. He is no Peterson but may get more than we are willing to pay.

I believe Texans will be drafting high enough to select at least two of the 15 you identify. We have to be very solid on our third and fourth picks.
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Yes they're mine. Agree AJ is a Texan in 15' however it takes a rookie WR a min of 2 years to get up to speed (thinking ahead). All that said, until the Texans get a QB who can do to the Colts what Luck does to the Texans it's all a moot point. So until the Texans fix their QB conundrum and clean up their salary cap the Texans will be on the bottom looking up.
 
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Yes they're mine. Agree AJ is a Texan in 15' however it takes a rookie WR a min of 2 years to get up to speed (thinking ahead). All that said, until the Texans get a QB who can do to the Colts what Luck does to the Texans it's all a moot point. So until the Texans fix their QB conundrum and clean up their salary cap the Texans will be on the bottom looking up.
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I understand your position on cap just do not agree it is as bad. I used to think FA were way to go because at least you knew how they'd perform as pro rather than draft pick. Not so sure now. Rather hit well with draft (lol, I know) and use the 4-5 years to develop cheaper talent; then choose who to keep as that controls cap better than anything. This coaching staff will have to win me over in how good they will be in development. Kubes and Phillips lost me long before they left. Wade had the stats of how he turned D around but I just did not see development I hoped for. The DB s and LB s did not seem to progress behind the starters & when injury took out #1 s we were shallow.

I was not as sold on Bortles as you but unless miracle occurs we will be using a "so so" QB regardless. I mocked Savage way before national heads even talked about him; not bragging just truth. His story caught my eye and he looked pretty solid despite out of game for so long. When I watched him, he looked like a pro rather than a college guy so I don't want to root against him. Just not sure, he will get the Oline or time to mature most QBs require. I was hoping Keenum would start with Savage and (?) getting garbage reps.

We are going to need another very deep draft.
 
badboy said:
I understand your position on cap just do not agree it is as bad. I used to think FA were way to go because at least you knew how they'd perform as pro rather than draft pick. Not so sure now. Rather hit well with draft (lol, I know) and use the 4-5 years to develop cheaper talent; then choose who to keep as that controls cap better than anything. This coaching staff will have to win me over in how good they will be in development. Kubes and Phillips lost me long before they left. Wade had the stats of how he turned D around but I just did not see development I hoped for. The DB s and LB s did not seem to progress behind the starters & when injury took out #1 s we were shallow.

I was not as sold on Bortles as you but unless miracle occurs we will be using a "so so" QB regardless. I mocked Savage way before national heads even talked about him; not bragging just truth. His story caught my eye and he looked pretty solid despite out of game for so long. When I watched him, he looked like a pro rather than a college guy so I don't want to root against him. Just not sure, he will get the Oline or time to mature most QBs require. I was hoping Keenum would start with Savage and (?) getting garbage reps.

We are going to need another very deep draft.
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Don't understand why folks think salary cap is not that bad. For the last 3 years Texans had to borrow money from future years just to met payroll for 53 man roster. As a result the only FA they can afford is vet minimums (back ups at best). Three years running the Texans have signed a lesser talent than they lost. In essence the Texans spent $10 mil over the cap each of the last 3 years by borrowing from the future.

Building thru the draft is somewhat of a myth. Teams get 7 draft picks a year. If they have drafted well usually 5 players make the team. At that rate a team would have drafted 20 players after 4 years. That still leaves 33 players needed to complete a 53 man roster. In essence Free Agency is as important if not more so than the draft. And if all you can afford is vet and rookie minimums, well you get the picture.

If you and I sat down to play a game of monopoly and I started the game with $2500 and you started with $1200. I would win 9 out of 10 games. I could afford the more expensive, better performing properties and hotels. For you Mediterranean and Baltic Ave, for me Boardwalk and Park Place. That's basically the game the Texans have been playing the last 3 years. With each passing year, playing the same way year after year, the Texans start each new year (game) with less money than the year (game) before.
 
First there have been no knock me out of my chair FAs that we had a shot at this off season so that impacts my thinking. Players like Joseph who is on books for 11.25 cap concern me. I was all for signing him but now think that might have been wrong. However, we can cut him after this season at $3.75 m dead money. IF we had drafted better we could have cheaper players at key positions. For example, Watkins #1 we could allow AJ to go after 2015 and have a WR #1 at very cheap very long deal.

Our drafting has been twofold as not only are we always drafting for need 4-5 rounds deep but we have missed on way too many. If, for example, we had drafted a better WR than Posey, if Brennan WIlliams had remained healthy and we had selected two ILBs in last 3 years, we'd be setting pretty well now. We don't seem to plan for replacing guys like Antonio Smith, any of our NTs or even Schaub. I think the 2014 draft will go long ways to helping but we need to follow up with another good one. Of course if our QB, DT, NT, TE, LG and RT, and ILB is resolved 2014, 2015 draft will look different on my board than currently.


Cap wise we still have about $ 7 million, I think. Only 5 players are capped at over $ 5.3 m; AJ 15.6 JJ 11.2 Foster 8.5 DB 8.5 and Myers at 7. Only DB and per McNair, AJ are guaranteed to be on roster 2015.
 
badboy said:
First there have been no knock me out of my chair FAs that we had a shot at this off season so that impacts my thinking. Players like Joseph who is on books for 11.25 cap concern me. I was all for signing him but now think that might have been wrong. However, we can cut him after this season at $3.75 m dead money. IF we had drafted better we could have cheaper players at key positions. For example, Watkins #1 we could allow AJ to go after 2015 and have a WR #1 at very cheap very long deal.

Our drafting has been twofold as not only are we always drafting for need 4-5 rounds deep but we have missed on way too many. If, for example, we had drafted a better WR than Posey, if Brennan WIlliams had remained healthy and we had selected two ILBs in last 3 years, we'd be setting pretty well now. We don't seem to plan for replacing guys like Antonio Smith, any of our NTs or even Schaub. I think the 2014 draft will go long ways to helping but we need to follow up with another good one. Of course if our QB, DT, NT, TE, LG and RT, and ILB is resolved 2014, 2015 draft will look different on my board than currently.


Cap wise we still have about $ 7 million, I think. Only 5 players are capped at over $ 5.3 m; AJ 15.6 JJ 11.2 Foster 8.5 DB 8.5 and Myers at 7. Only DB and per McNair, AJ are guaranteed to be on roster 2015.
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One reason Joseph's cap is so high is because the Texans restructured his contract not long after signing him. Almost $7 million of the 2014 cap # is attributed to Joseph and AJ restructuring contracts in years past.

Year after year fans keep saying "if we draft better" but that never seems to happen. The common denominator of the last 7 drafts is Rick Smith and his hand picked scouting department. I know optimistic fans are euphoiric about the 2014 draft but it will likely turn out be another substandard Texans draft. IMO the 2006 draft will be far superior to the 2014 draft.

A BIG reason why the Texans have been pressed in to drafting for need is because of 3 straight years of only be able to sign rookie and vet minimums. A result that created a lot of weak links and holes that needed to be addressed.

$7 million in cap space, yes, however, approx. $5 million of that will be allocated to IR, PUP, Grievances, LTBEs and practice squad. Come start of the season the Texans will have to add 2 additional contracts to the salary cap numbers in order to complete the 53 man roster. Actuality is $2 million or less.
 
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A BIG reason why the Texans have been pressed in to drafting for need is because of 3 straight years of only be able to sign rookie and vet minimums. A result that created a lot of weak links and holes that needed to be addressed..
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You keep saying this and it simply isn't true. For example Lechler and Reed were far from vet minimum signings.

You're always lauding the Colts and acting as if it is all cap difference and its not. The Texans easily could have made the moves they did to get Vonte Davis and Greg Toler instead of Lechler and Reed cap wise. So if there is a criticism it is in poor player selection.
 
infantrycak said:
You keep saying this and it simply isn't true. For example Lechler and Reed were far from vet minimum signings.

You're always lauding the Colts and acting as if it is all cap difference and its not. The Texans easily could have made the moves they did to get Vonte Davis and Greg Toler instead of Lechler and Reed cap wise. So if there is a criticism it is in poor player selection.
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nail on the head here. my question is when does Rick Smith become accountable?
 
infantrycak said:
You keep saying this and it simply isn't true. For example Lechler and Reed were far from vet minimum signings.

You're always lauding the Colts and acting as if it is all cap difference and its not. The Texans easily could have made the moves they did to get Vonte Davis and Greg Toler instead of Lechler and Reed cap wise. So if there is a criticism it is in poor player selection.
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Lechler was signed for $1 mil, that was $60K over vet min (his contract was subsequently back loaded). In order for Texans to afford and pay for Reed's contract they had to resort to restructuring AJ's contract once again! Without the restructure the Texans couldn't afford Reed.

The Texans were never in a position from a salary cap standpoint to afford the likes of Vontae Davis or Greg Toler without first having to either cut players, restructure additional contracts or both. In addition to Davis and Toler, the Colts were also able to sign several other additional starters to their roster. As a result the Colts weren't pressured to draft those positions of weak links or holes in their team.

A simple piece of paper with a line drawn down the middle, listing players lost on one side and players signed on the other over the last 3 years should clear up any doubt for those who are skeptical of just how dire the Texans salary cap mismanagement and player evaluations has become. Poor player selection is a direct result of having little or no money to spend. The result is something much like you're seeing today with Texans signing a flurry of free agents in the first week of August. Something you find all to common with teams with little depth and weak links on their roster.

Until the Texans fix their QB conundrum and a their salary cap mismanagement they are favored candidates to be a perennial Top 10 draft pick every year. At that point many more folks will come to understand that you can't start a game of Monopoly with less money than the other players and be successful. It's the main reason why Dallas has been 8-8 for the last 3 years and very likely not be able to accomplish 8-8 in 2014. Poor salary cap management doesn't only apply to the Texans.
 
beerlover said:
nail on the head here. my question is when does Rick Smith become accountable?
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As long as Rick Smith is Bob McNair's assistant and does what Bob is asking him to do, Rick has little worries about his job security. And as long as McNair thinks that Rick and his scouting staff are doing a good job evaluating and analyzing players, all will be well on Kirby as far McNair and Smith are concerned.
 
Texian said:
Lechler was signed for $1 mil, that was $60K over vet min (his contract was subsequently back loaded). In order for Texans to afford and pay for Reed's contract they had to resort to restructuring AJ's contract once again! Without the restructure the Texans couldn't afford Reed.

The Texans were never in a position from a salary cap standpoint to afford the likes of Vontae Davis or Greg Toler without first having to either cut players, restructure additional contracts or both.
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Lechler was not signed for $1 mil. He had a $1 mil signing bonus and a $1 mil salary in the 1st year of a 3 year deal which is not back loaded at all.

Sorry but you don't get to put the Texans in some sort of special rules category. Teams cut other players, restructure contracts, etc. all the time to make room for free agents and guarandamnteed you don't discount those players in your comparisons (for example you never consider how the Colts got their cap space). $1.3 mil of cap hit for Lechler was more than the 960k the Colts spent on Davis. The Texans spent more on Reed than the Colts did on Toler.

In addition to Davis and Toler, the Colts were also able to sign several other additional starters to their roster. As a result the Colts weren't pressured to draft those positions of weak links or holes in their team.
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Complete unadulterated tripe. The Colts had so much cap space because they needed half a team due to having let folks go or not re-signing them.

A simple piece of paper with a line drawn down the middle, listing players lost on one side and players signed on the other over the last 3 years should clear up any doubt for those who are skeptical of just how dire the Texans salary cap mismanagement and player evaluations has become.
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No it shouldn't because as usual you are leaving out an essential ingredient - WHO IS ALREADY ON THE TEAM. A franchise with half a team to start the offseason is going to have more salary cap available AND have to spend a lot of it just to fill out spots. Your simple piece of paper is simplistic rather than enlightening. The Colts lost a crud load of starters 2011-12 so yes there would be a lot of replacements which is not the same as a lot of better players.

And as usual you are overlooking the fact the Colts are in a very temporary position of having a QB on a franchise contract.

Poor player selection is a direct result of having little or no money to spend.
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Another made up fallacy. If you spend $5 mil on a player who you spend it on is not the $5 mil's fault. We could have had Quinn or Toler or any number of other players that went that offseason for $5 mil or 2 at $2.5 but we went with Reed and it bit them in the ass. That's on the selection of Reed, not the cap.
 
Texian said:
If you and I sat down to play a game of monopoly and I started the game with $2500 and you started with $1200. I would win 9 out of 10 games.
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Unless I started with hotels on prime property & you've only got a few rent houses. That, I believe is the biggest discrepancy between your view of the cap & mine.

The way you put it, the Eagle's dream team should have won a Super Bowl that year, but they sucked. The Daniel Snyder & Jerry Jones should be the most successful general managers in the league... but they're not.
 
beerlover said:
nail on the head here. my question is when does Rick Smith become accountable?
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As somebody on another thread described the current state of the Texans org,

Firing Kubiak and not firing Smith = Taking a huge dump and not wiping afterwards. I think that's a perfect analogy.
 
thunderkyss said:
Unless I started with hotels on prime property & you've only got a few rent houses. That, I believe is the biggest discrepancy between your view of the cap & mine.

The way you put it, the Eagle's dream team should have won a Super Bowl that year, but they sucked. The Daniel Snyder & Jerry Jones should be the most successful general managers in the league... but they're not.
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Or the way the Broncos/Pats etc... have done business seems to be working fairly well.

The Texans org has more in common with Jerrah's Cowboys and the way they are run than Texans fans are willing to admit.

One thing is for sure if maximizing profits and and putting a substandard product on the field is the best way to do business then McNair and Jerrah are 1st ballot HOFers.

BTW, although I would rank players a bit differently those are really good starting points.
 
steelbtexan said:
As somebody on another thread described the current state of the Texans org,

Firing Kubiak and not firing Smith = Taking a huge dump and not wiping afterwards. I think that's a perfect analogy.
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yeah, I was discouraged when we didn't fire Smith. Perhaps he truely learned from some of his mistakes. Expensive on the job training - The cost was just Franchise reputation, fan disposition/loyalty, and the third 1st overall pick in roughly a decade....perhaps he is no longer Rick Smith - noob GM. He's Rick Smith, lessons learned?
 
infantrycak said:
Lechler was not signed for $1 mil. He had a $1 mil signing bonus and a $1 mil salary in the 1st year of a 3 year deal which is not back loaded at all.

Sorry but you don't get to put the Texans in some sort of special rules category. Teams cut other players, restructure contracts, etc. all the time to make room for free agents and guarandamnteed you don't discount those players in your comparisons (for example you never consider how the Colts got their cap space). $1.3 mil of cap hit for Lechler was more than the 960k the Colts spent on Davis. The Texans spent more on Reed than the Colts did on Toler.



Complete unadulterated tripe. The Colts had so much cap space because they needed half a team due to having let folks go or not re-signing them.



No it shouldn't because as usual you are leaving out an essential ingredient - WHO IS ALREADY ON THE TEAM. A franchise with half a team to start the offseason is going to have more salary cap available AND have to spend a lot of it just to fill out spots. Your simple piece of paper is simplistic rather than enlightening. The Colts lost a crud load of starters 2011-12 so yes there would be a lot of replacements which is not the same as a lot of better players.

And as usual you are overlooking the fact the Colts are in a very temporary position of having a QB on a franchise contract.



Another made up fallacy. If you spend $5 mil on a player who you spend it on is not the $5 mil's fault. We could have had Quinn or Toler or any number of other players that went that offseason for $5 mil or 2 at $2.5 but we went with Reed and it bit them in the ass. That's on the selection of Reed, not the cap.
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You offer nothing but rhetoric. We'll have to continue this discussion in December when you can give us your excuses why the Texans have a Top 10 pick and very little cap space. Until you draw the line down the paper you probably won't get it. Until you play a game of Monopoly starting with less cash than the other players you're probably not going to get it. Apparently you didn't read the last sentence of post #11. Read in you in Dec.
 
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Or the way the Broncos/Pats etc... have done business seems to be working fairly well.

The Texans org has more in common with Jerrah's Cowboys and the way they are run than Texans fans are willing to admit.

One thing is for sure if maximizing profits and and putting a substandard product on the field is the best way to do business then McNair and Jerrah are 1st ballot HOFers.

BTW, although I would rank players a bit differently those are really good starting points.
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Yes the Broncos and Pats did well in managing their cap to be able to sign some high profile starters. So much so I think the AFC Championship could come down to the Broncos vs The Pats.

Bob is Jerah, they operate one in the samer. The only difference is Bob is not as flamboyant, the salesman, nor the media hound Jerah is:

Vinny said:
yeah, I was discouraged when we didn't fire Smith. Perhaps he truely learned from some of his mistakes. Expensive on the job training - The cost was just Franchise reputation, fan disposition/loyalty, and the third 1st overall pick in roughly a decade....perhaps he is no longer Rick Smith - noob GM. He's Rick Smith, lessons learned?
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IMO he's still Rick Smith, Bob McNair's assistant. Listen carefully, is there any question who the GM is? is there any doubt who is the Assistant? http://www.houstontexans.com/tv-med...-change-/65d31e5b-fc1a-41f0-8196-c904327b706c



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infantrycak said:
Well that and hard facts like you are wrong about Lechler's contract. You're actually the empty bag of rhetoric just like when you were exposed not wanting to break down plays.

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The scoreboard reads Texans 2 - 14; Texian 1, infantrycak 0; comeback in Dec.

No surprise to most here than when you're absent of critical thinking and information you often resort to your bullying tactics to make for your deficiencies. This thread was having a cordial respectable conversation until the bully showed up.

Like I said, the Texans for the most part can only afford rookie and vet minimums and anything above that they have to cut players or restructure contracts or both. Tell me when the Texans actually sign a $4 million a year starter instead of punter making a little more than vet minimums. If Lechler is the best you got, you ain't got much.

Breaking down plays, - the guy had an agenda, he was going to educate me he said, he was going to school me. I found the videos for him. Play one went to Barrett Jones left, Nix initial step was to Jones right, Jones drove Nix 10 yds away from the play. The Nix fan thought Nix pushed deep in to Bama backfield failing to acknowledge that Barrett was pushing him there. Barrett let Nix have the backfield when Nix pursued away from the play. At times when Nix pursued correctly he was pretty much stonewalled by Barrett most of the time. Barrett must have graded out over 90%. Lacy ran for 142, mostly up the middle, at 7.9 yd clip and the Offensive MVP. And Nix played GREAT. Right! I know at times you can be void of reason but surely you're not that dadgum dumb? It would have been 70 plays of back and forth just like that with no agreement except where I would have noted Nix excelled on a play. Hours and hours of wasted time saved. An exercise in futility averted.

Scoreboard Update: Texans 0-0; Texian 1 and infantrycak 0.

now back to regular season programming, a bully free zone
 
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Yes the Broncos and Pats did well in managing their cap to be able to sign some high profile starters. So much so I think the AFC Championship could come down to the Broncos vs The Pats.

Bob is Jerah, they operate one in the samer. The only difference is Bob is not as flamboyant, the salesman, nor the media hound Jerah is:



IMO he's still Rick Smith, Bob McNair's assistant. Listen carefully, is there any question who the GM is? is there any doubt who is the Assistant? http://www.houstontexans.com/tv-med...-change-/65d31e5b-fc1a-41f0-8196-c904327b706c



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But..... But..... I thought McNair was a hands off/ good samaritan /philanthropic type owner?

Fans are starting to see the light on how the Texans org is being run. Some are still in denial, however if McNair gets the BOB hiring right then all of the other stuff wont matter.
 
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But..... But..... I thought McNair was a hands off/ good samaritan /philanthropic type owner?
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He is all that with the exception of hands off and he may be the nicest owner in the NFL. He's also a very much hands on meddling owner much like Jerry Jones, only a less flamboyant media seeker. Bob is trying to model his team after the Bob Kraft, Bill Belichick and the Patriots. The only problem is he has substituted Jerry Jones for Bob Kraft. (and I haven't seen anything to suggest that O'Brien is anything like Belichick) It should be interesting but the outcome looks like a continuation of the disastrous train wreck. When the jury is in I wouldn't be surprised to see that Kubiak is the better O coach. O'Brien clearly looks like the better decision maker for the Xs. From the get go RAC has proven he's heads and shoulders above Richard Smith and Frank Bush.

If there is any doubt about Bob as the real GM of the Houston Texans, have a listen and this should clear it up: http://www.houstontexans.com/tv-med...-change-/65d31e5b-fc1a-41f0-8196-c904327b706c
 
Is there any way we can go back to talking college players? This is very interesting topic and I hope we don't let this thread go where others have and care. I am already moving players up and down my board based on some info but also on hunches. I do enjoy comments and info others post. Can we allow this thread to do that? For example is Bryce Petty a possibility in top ten of the second round? Some mocks say yes and if you agree discuss why. Jalen Strong at about #8 and Petty #40 would be pretty solid. Based on info flowing from TC, I'm hoping Ninja has been effectively replaced and Bullough/? will at least somewhat fix the ILB next to Cushing (if he is there).
 
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Is there any way we can go back to talking college players? This is very interesting topic and I hope we don't let this thread go where others have and care. I am already moving players up and down my board based on some info but also on hunches. I do enjoy comments and info others post. Can we allow this thread to do that? For example is Bryce Petty a possibility in top ten of the second round? Some mocks say yes and if you agree discuss why. Jalen Strong at about #8 and Petty #40 would be pretty solid. Based on info flowing from TC, I'm hoping Ninja has been effectively replaced and Bullough/? will at least somewhat fix the ILB next to Cushing (if he is there).
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For someone who threw for 4200 yds, 32 TDs and only 3 INTs, Bryce Petty gets a lot of disrespect. Bryce starting this season is my #1 QB so I see him more of Top 10 RD 1 and long gone by RD2. I understand Bryce takes all his snaps in shotgun however well over 50% of offensive snaps now in NFL are from the gun. Petty is athletic enough to take snaps from center. IMO Petty has shown me early on he's the smartest guy playing QB and the transition shouldn't be difficult for him. The one trait that has caught my eye about Petty is how quick he reads the D and can pull the trigger. This opinion is subject to change. This early on most of mine have.
 
badboy said:
Is there any way we can go back to talking college players? This is very interesting topic and I hope we don't let this thread go where others have and care. I am already moving players up and down my board based on some info but also on hunches. I do enjoy comments and info others post. Can we allow this thread to do that? For example is Bryce Petty a possibility in top ten of the second round? Some mocks say yes and if you agree discuss why. Jalen Strong at about #8 and Petty #40 would be pretty solid. Based on info flowing from TC, I'm hoping Ninja has been effectively replaced and Bullough/? will at least somewhat fix the ILB next to Cushing (if he is there).
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I like Petty a lot

Right now he's my #3 QB behind Winston/Mariota. If the Texans finish 7-9 and picking 10th I would advocate trading up and picking up any one of those 3 QB's. The Cost shouldn't be that high.

Provided that Savage doesn't look like the QB of the future.
 
steelbtexan said:
I like Petty a lot

Right now he's my #3 QB behind Winston/Mariota. If the Texans finish 7-9 and picking 10th I would advocate trading up and picking up any one of those 3 QB's. The Cost shouldn't be that high.

Provided that Savage doesn't look like the QB of the future.
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unfortunately, I do not think we can afford to give up anything 4th round or higher in a trade up. Like this year, we will need too much. It would be good if 2015 is as deep at QB as is projected. I was not happy to see that Winston recently said he might play another two seasons in Florida.
 
badboy said:
unfortunately, I do not think we can afford to give up anything 4th round or higher in a trade up. Like this year, we will need too much. It would be good if 2015 is as deep at QB as is projected. I was not happy to see that Winston recently said he might play another two seasons in Florida.
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To trade up say from 10th to 5th will only cost a 1st/2nd and a 2015 1st. Not a heavy price to pay for a franchise QB?
 
steelbtexan said:
To trade up say from 10th to 5th will only cost a 1st/2nd and a 2015 1st. Not a heavy price to pay for a franchise QB?
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No way I make that deal with what we need. Maybe if QB was the only priority need I would. Besides I think there will be a good QB at #10. I am hoping a good prospect is there in second so we can go WR in first.
 
badboy said:
No way I make that deal with what we need. Maybe if QB was the only priority need I would. Besides I think there will be a good QB at #10. I am hoping a good prospect is there in second so we can go WR in first.
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I'm hoping Savage is the QB of the future. If he isn't BOB has to do whatever it takes to get the QB of the future.

If QB isn't a need I hope they draft a OL or 2 very high. Also I would like to see an impact S and another CB. My philosophy is to add a CB every yr.
 
steelbtexan said:
I'm hoping Savage is the QB of the future. If he isn't BOB has to do whatever it takes to get the QB of the future.

If QB isn't a need I hope they draft a OL or 2 very high. Also I would like to see an impact S and another CB. My philosophy is to add a CB every yr.
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We need so much..I too have high hope for Savage but would be difficult not to draft a QB if possible. If Savage can start in 2015, Fitz could be a realistic backup for a cheap cost. A QB in late first would be peaking in 2017 Savage's last contract year.

Let me float an idea I had last night. Would you trade Foster after a very productive 2014 for a late first round pick? Dead $ would be $5 million with savings of $4 m. using Blue and Cornett. Could he be worth a first after a good 2014? Cutting costs and getting another high round selection could be way to go.
 
steelbtexan said:
I like Petty a lot

Right now he's my #3 QB behind Winston/Mariota. If the Texans finish 7-9 and picking 10th I would advocate trading up and picking up any one of those 3 QB's. The Cost shouldn't be that high.

Provided that Savage doesn't look like the QB of the future.
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less than two weeks and then college ball begins. Cannot wait to watch some game time action and players will start moving up and down the boards. As much as I want WR Strong if our QB situation does not improve, I will have to go Qb first round. I can wait one year for Savage but probably not two.
 
thunderkyss said:
What's the word on Trevor Knight?
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6'1" 201 pounds a red shirt soph this year who had a so so season with a good game against Kansas St followed by a bad one against OK St despite a team win. He hit big against Alabama with unbelievable great game in Sugar Bowl. If it were a horse race, he would have had to give a blood test. I'm not interested.
 
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