Manziel

[Say Watt]

I was not comparing the Texans to the Browns. You crossed that bridge. I'm not saying to mortgage the farm. But, Cleveland did VERY little last night to move up to take Manziel. Minnesota did even less to move up to take Bridgewater. The Texans sat on their hands.

The Texans have won being boring, but fold when it matters. How many times did they crater in the spotlight? There is no excitement with this team. The only time I've ever really felt it with them is the first game, the first playoff win and the first half of the game when Keenum started lighting up the Colts (I think it was the Colts). They took a chance then to see what would stick. They had a chance to be exciting last night and failed. That may be enough for you to enjoy 8-8, 9-7 seasons with the occasional 12-4 season with one playoff win. It's not enough for me.

Face it, the Texans are a 2-14 team. They aren't going to be better right away. But, they got to that old point doing things the safe way. It did not pay off. I don't see why they appear to want to stay on that route.

I'm interested to see what O'Brien does, but Rick Smith is part of the old boring regime. Is the boringness a product of Kubiak? Is it part of the front office having not guts? I don't know at this point. But, I'll be surprised at this point if the Texans have more than 6 wins this year.

At this point, they should take a DL or OL with the second round and wait for Savage or Murray. Heck, why not wait until the 5th for Logan Thomas??

I've pumped Texans sunshine long enough. I'm fed up with it. Again -- my opinion.

Man, you summarized my feelings EXACTLY. Great post. MSR.

The sunshine pumpers can keep telling themselves everything is going to get better, but the very definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.

Look, I HOPE O'Brien is the savior, just like I HOPED Kubiak was the savior. When David Carr was our QB, I quoted every stat in the book for why he was going to turn it around and become our franchise QB. When Amobi Okoye looked like a bust, I found every reason I could to build the guy up and make myself believe he just needed more time, when Kubiak hung around after 2010 I pumped myself up believing the Wade hire was going to change history and the Texans fortunes were now going to head in the right direction (which they did for a nice two year period), and when Matt Schaub received the extension I tried to calm myself down and convince myself that he was now going to be better than he ever was before.

I'm tired of having to convince myself the Texans are an inept football organization. We can make fun of the Browns all we want but in Texans history, our record is 79-113 while the Browns in that same time span is 65-127. Have they been worse than us? Of course! But we are a hell of a lot closer to Cleveland South than we are to Denver South or New England South.

 

[xtruroyaltyx]

Y'all see that leaked scouting report from the Pats on Manziel??

Not very flattering.

 

[agproducer]

Clowney was the so-called "safe" pick. I'm not against the Clowney pick. The Texans never roll the dice on anything, except on an umpteeth TE.

 

[Say Watt]

Plus your user name has "Watt" in it and you joined in 2006. That's a pretty good prediction.

Pretty amazing prediction, huh?!

 

[xtruroyaltyx]

Heere's a snippet:

JL 8/22 -Vibe on this guy keeps getting worse. Support staff members are sick of him and ready for him to go. Described as a cocky, me-guy. Loves football, FBI is high as well. Everything has been pretty well-documented in online articles about the kid, but sources say he's a spoiled brat (grandfather gives him allowance, father bought him luxury car). They say he was getting on people's nerves during the '12 season, but it went to another level after the ALUN game. Seems to enjoy putting himself in situations where he knows attention will follow him (TXUN frat party during summer). CONCERNS: Off-field behavior, cockiness, maturity

http://deadspin.com/leaked-internal-scouting-report-the-patriots-do-not-li-1574040417

 

[agproducer]

The Manziel report is likely a fake -- according to the Pats beat reporter. But, the deadspin article could be legit. You do have to question it though when the so called source is the "Brobible."

 

[xtruroyaltyx]

The Manziel report is likely a fake -- according to the Pats beat reporter.

Could be.

But it seems legit to me. JMO.

Can't see why someone would make up a fake Patriots scouting report on Manziel...Ted Johnson seems to think it could possibly be real...

 

[noxiousdog]

Clowney was the so-called "safe" pick. I'm not against the Clowney pick. The Texans never roll the dice on anything, except on an umpteeth TE.

There's nothing safe about drafting a pass rusher with 3 sacks in his last college season, imo.

Safe would have been Jake Matthews or taking a low ball offer to trade back.

 

[xtruroyaltyx]

JL 10/15 - Suspended first half of TXRI game for autograph scandal. Couple of TXTC sources say can't yell/scream at him or he shuts down; has walked away from Kingsbury in the past. Has an avg. work ethic, came to 4 of 32 summer '13 workouts, and quit going to in-season workouts late in '12. Doesn't study the game, said to know about 60% of the offense in '12, never watches film; one source said only time he watched film during '12 was before ALUN. Comes from 'outlaw bloodlines', mom moved the family to Kerrville to get away from father's wild family. Father's family is said to be very shady people, always into something, they are the root of Johnny's personality. 'What you see on TV and how he is portrayed, that's him; but when you talk to him, you'll like him'. Coaches love his tuffs/competes, they want to go to war with him, but 'Johnny will be Johnny' during the week. Knows how to scheme the system, arrogant and full of himself, but he's not smug to coaches. Has been like this since Day 1, has never gone to class, goes to beat of own drum, but has ultimate confidence. Loves the spotlight, football is his release, big games don't scare him. Has size 15 feet and freakishly big hands. Will drink, but no one I spoke with think he's a smoker. Teammates don't dislike him, but there's some resentment, more so in the offseason when he isn't coming to workouts and they are busting their butt. Loner, doesn't hang out with the guys, but very close with WR Mike Evans. Already has money, is used to spotlight, has already been exposed to NFL-level fame. Will never take football seriously enough for our coaching staff, he'll hate meetings, will have to drag him to work out, etc. The definition of the word maintenance. CONCERNS: Maturity, passion for preparation, high-maintenance, work ethic

From the Deadspin writer:

As far as we can tell, the initials "JL" belong to James Liipfert, a former Georgia Tech football player who joined the Patriots' scouting department in 2009. It's fun to watch the progression of his feelings about Manziel in the "Character" section. In the first entry, dated Aug. 1, he seems to think Manziel is an OK guy. By Oct. 15, he's completely written him off, and Manziel's list of concerns has grown from "Off-field behavior/lifestyle" to "Off-field behavior, cockiness, maturity, passion for preparation, high-maintenance, work ethic."

There's also a part at the end about Manziel's body that includes the phrase "High, knotted calves, with pretty gd. thickness through the thighs and bubble." The life of an NFL prospect is a strange one.

http://deadspin.com/leaked-internal-scouting-report-the-patriots-do-not-li-1574040417

 

[TexansSeminole]

Heere's a snippet:



http://deadspin.com/leaked-internal-scouting-report-the-patriots-do-not-li-1574040417

And more...

JL 10/15 - Suspended first half of TXRI game for autograph scandal. Couple of TXTC sources say can't yell/scream at him or he shuts down; has walked away from Kingsbury in the past. Has an avg. work ethic, came to 4 of 32 summer '13 workouts, and quit going to in-season workouts late in '12. Doesn't study the game, said to know about 60% of the offense in '12, never watches film; one source said only time he watched film during '12 was before ALUN. Comes from 'outlaw bloodlines', mom moved the family to Kerrville to get away from father's wild family. Father's family is said to be very shady people, always into something, they are the root of Johnny's personality. 'What you see on TV and how he is portrayed, that's him; but when you talk to him, you'll like him'. Coaches love his tuffs/competes, they want to go to war with him, but 'Johnny will be Johnny' during the week. Knows how to scheme the system, arrogant and full of himself, but he's not smug to coaches. Has been like this since Day 1, has never gone to class, goes to beat of own drum, but has ultimate confidence. Loves the spotlight, football is his release, big games don't scare him. Has size 15 feet and freakishly big hands. Will drink, but no one I spoke with think he's a smoker. Teammates don't dislike him, but there's some resentment, more so in the offseason when he isn't coming to workouts and they are busting their butt. Loner, doesn't hang out with the guys, but very close with WR Mike Evans. Already has money, is used to spotlight, has already been exposed to NFL-level fame. Will never take football seriously enough for our coaching staff, he'll hate meetings, will have to drag him to work out, etc. The definition of the word maintenance. CONCERNS: Maturity, passion for preparation, high-maintenance, work ethic

Haters gonna hate

 

[agproducer]

Noxious-

Clowney was the consensus #1 pick. That's pretty "safe" in my book.

 

[TexansSeminole]

What happened to your old account truroyalty? And I thought you were Rey.

 

[htownfan32]

Yeah, the Pats don't want him. They only like killers and thugs up there

 

[bah007]

LOL at the boring argument. The New York Giants have been boring for as long as Coughlin has been there. Seems like they've been okay.

 

[noxiousdog]

Noxious-

Clowney was the consensus #1 pick. That's pretty "safe" in my book.

Our 61 page Clowney thread disagrees.

 

[htownfan32]

LOL at the boring argument. The New York Giants have been boring for as long as Coughlin has been there. Seems like they've been okay.

I'll be okay with being boring and safe when we have our franchise QB. Right now I'm just worried we're going to be in QB hell for the next three, four years.

 

[htownfan32]

Our 61 page Clowney thread disagrees.

The poll on that thread doesn't. It was like more than 80% pro Clowney.

After thinking it over I really don't have a problem with the pick. I'm just worried about the QB position. Tonight could change all that. If we nab Mettenberger or even Murray I would feel much more relaxed heading into the season, because at least the staff is grooming someone for the future.

 

[bah007]

I'll be okay with being boring and safe when we have our franchise QB. Right now I'm just worried we're going to be in QB hell for the next three, four years.

We just might be.

I would have taken Bortles over Clowney but that's not a really popular opinion.

 

[bOODRO87]

Now this thread can begin the process of dying..

 

[htownfan32]

Now this thread can begin the process of dying..

You can bet it'll be back when we play Cleveland in the regular season. Either a rabid Manziel fan will bring it back up to say "I Told You So" after we lose or a Manziel hater will bring it back up for the same reason after we win.

 

[noxiousdog]

The poll on that thread doesn't. It was like more than 80% pro Clowney.

I don't see the poll you're talking about, but the pre-draft poll was 34%. Regardless, it doesn't make it safe, it just means people think he's worth the risk.

After thinking it over I really don't have a problem with the pick. I'm just worried about the QB position. Tonight could change all that. If we nab Mettenberger or even Murray I would feel much more relaxed heading into the season, because at least the staff is grooming someone for the future.

I'm always worried about a QB. But I'm more worried about picking the wrong QB.

 

[Thorn]

I'm always worried about a QB. But I'm more worried about picking the wrong QB.

I'm the same way. It's such an important position, and there's no guarantee with any one of them, good or bad.

 

[agproducer]

I'm also concerned about the QB position. At this point, I'd want Savage in the 3rd or Murray in the 4th.

 

[Double Barrel]

They are vanilla, save Watt and Cushing.

'cept, you know, Andre Johnson, Duane Brown, healthy Arian Foster....as well as quote a few others with lots of potential.

Are you really a Texans fan or do you just play one on the internets?....

LOL at the boring argument. The New York Giants have been boring for as long as Coughlin has been there. Seems like they've been okay.

I don't get the boring argument, either. You know what's not boring? Winning games. These guys will be cheering with the rest of us when it happens, too.

 

[agproducer]

'cept, you know, Andre Johnson, Duane Brown, healthy Arian Foster....as well as quote a few others with lots of potential.

Are you really a Texans fan or do you just play one on the internets?....

I'm playing a Texans fan on the internets.

Maybe I'm not choosing my words correctly -- but do those guys you just mentioned exude excitement? All are low-key guys.

 

[bah007]

Keenum was the furthest thing from vanilla. That was fun.

 

[agproducer]

Bah-

One of my previous posts said about the only times that I've felt excitement about the Texans included when they rolled the dice and let Keenum play.

 

[Double Barrel]

I'm playing a Texans fan on the internets.

Maybe I'm not choosing my words correctly -- but do those guys you just mentioned exude excitement? All are low-key guys.

ahhh, I see what you're saying. A lot of folks use the term "vanilla" for being ordinary and average.

Just playin' with ya' about being a fan. It's all good. Looking forward to 2014!

 

[CloakNNNdagger]

Well, I wasn't yelling through the whole draft, "Take Foster! Take Foster!"

I also had a conniption when they took DeMeco Ryans, because I was so sure that was a bad pick.

I also did a WTF? on JJ Watt, but at least I didn't complain, because I felt sorry for him when fans booed.

Only time I remember actually being right was when I wanted Darrell Revis.

I'll get over it.

Honesty seems to be a lost art MSR!

 

[DBCooper]

ahhh, I see what you're saying. A lot of folks use the term "vanilla" for being ordinary and average.

Just playin' with ya' about being a fan. It's all good. Looking forward to 2014!

This is the year of Rocky Road with big Nuts!

Frak vanilla!

 

[TheMatrix31]

I'm playing a Texans fan on the internets.

Maybe I'm not choosing my words correctly -- but do those guys you just mentioned exude excitement? All are low-key guys.

I don't know about you but I feel blessed to be able to watch Andre Johnson every week. He's easily one of the most exciting players I've ever watched.

 

[Wolf]

some of that off the field scouting report sounds eerie familiar from non-scouts ..aka my sisters and friends that went to school with him in high school. Plus a friend of mine used to hang out with the Manziels (play golf and such)...yeah some ...well they let Johnny be Johnny and would defend him no matter right or wrong.. I will leave it at that.

 

[thunderkyss]

At this point, they should take a DL or OL with the second round and wait for Savage or Murray. Heck, why not wait until the 5th for Logan Thomas??

Of course you would say that. You wouldn't want the Texans to draft Mettenberger, Murray, Garoppolo, McCarron, or Carr, because one of those guys may turn out to be as good or better than Johnny Manziel... at the very least, the Texans with one of those guys will be better than the Browns with Manziel & you'd just hate that.

I don't know what the Texans have in mind, but I've always thought McCarron was the best QB in this draft & it wouldn't surprise me if the Texans think Mettenberger or Garoppolo is the best QB in this draft, just like you think Manziel is the best, but the Jags thought Blake Bortles was.

 

[Texecutioner]

Yeah that's just a little untrue. The fact is they were asking for 3 #1's. Everyone wanted Clowney, but nobody was willing to trade the house for him. I bet if the asking price was 2 #1's instead of 3, they would have traded the pick. They knew who they were going to take all along, and only a blockbuster deal was going to change that.

You rag the Texans for not taking Manziel, yet 21 other teams, many with just as big a need for a QB as the Texans, but passed on him also.

Sorry, but Manziel ended up were he belongs. Having said that, I honestly think he has a chance to do well there. On paper they look like a nice squad. As a Texan, not so much.

I didn't a word about Manziel. Get your facts straight before putting words in my mouth. I didn't want Clowney. I hate lazy Dlineman and selfish players that aren't about the team. The Texans wanted to trade the pick so badly, but ended up caving to the hype and the allure of the guy who got a whopping 4 sacks that never showed up in big games.

 

[agproducer]

TK-

Any of those guys you mentioned would be fine. The way I look at it is if the Texans are waiting to take a QB at a value spot, those are some out there. I like Mett. I'm Luke warm on McCarron, but could get behind the choice. Manziel was not the be all, end all pick.

 

[Say Watt]

I didn't a word about Manziel. Get your facts straight before putting words in my mouth. I didn't want Clowney. I hate lazy Dlineman and selfish players that aren't about the team. The Texans wanted to trade the pick so badly, but ended up caving to the hype and the allure of the guy who got a whopping 4 sacks that never showed up in big games.

3 sacks. Other than that, your post is right on.

 

[Scooter]

the evil part of me hopes he gets drafted into the AFC north, lebeau's zone blitz alone would warp his brain and cincinnati's rush 4/drop 7 would be crippling ... if someone (cleveland) tried to start him early.

step 1 complete, he went to the afc north. the hardest hitting division in the AFC, who are each beefing up their defenses in this draft. if he werent such a douche i might feel bad for JFF ... as it stands however, i cant wait to see him get crushed.

 

[paycheck71]

What the Patriots thought of Johnny (allegedly)

Leaked Internal Scouting Report: The Patriots Do Not Like Johnny Manziel

Doesn't study the game, said to know about 60% of the offense in '12, never watches film; one source said only time he watched film during '12 was before ALUN

Edit: NM, apparently I'm late to this news.

 

[xtruroyaltyx]

Looking to cash in on all that is Johnny Manziel, here we have a local Cleveland company who is apparently selling one of their new ‘artisnal’ juices which just so happens to be called ‘Johnny Apple Manziel’.

Catchy, right?

Chucked full of all the good things your body needs (apparently) the juice claims to help boost digestion, provide pain relief and help with immunity. Shockingly, all things most Cleveland Browns fans needed after watching Brandon Weeden do what Brandon Weeden does.

Complete with green apple, ginger and lemon the organic and vegan drink seems to be catching on, even if only due to its creative marketing name.

Of course, how long the juice is available remains to be seen as I’m sure Mr. Manziel has his lawyers working overtime as everybody attempts to make a dollar off the quarterback enigma. Not sure if going after apple juice is their top priority however. - See more at: http://prosportsdaily.com/articles/...-apple-juice-304354.html#sthash.pzpPrIOu.dpuf

http://prosportsdaily.com/articles/...reates-johnny-manziel-apple-juice-304354.html

 

[IDEXAN]

SAN ANTONIO - Johnny Manziel and Justin Bieber, two guys people love to hate, partied together in Los Angeles at Bieber's home Monday night until the cops showed up - twice.

The two headline-seeking fledglings shared photos of themselves and other celebs, including boxer Floyd Mayweather, rapper Tyga and actor Tyrese Gibson, partying at Bieber's new condo in Beverly Hills on social media Monday night. Bieber is 20 and Manziel, from Kerrville, is 21.

http://www.chron.com/news/local/art...in-Bieber-other-5592793.php?cmpid=rrhoustontx
*****
I dunno, but probably wouldn't have been an ideal fit in BOBs football team ? So BOB is still probably feeling OK about not drafting JF.

 

[badboy]

We do not have social media days in Htown. sigh

 

[Scooter]

the maturity of a hamster.

....

 

[steelbtexan]

Manziel is 21 yrs old. How many of y'all were mature at 21 yrs old? Are y'all sure that y'all aren't jealous that y'all weren't able to be able to live the life JM's living at 21?

BTW, I didn't want the Texans to draft Manziel. I don't think his game is going to translate. But I don't hold HIS lifestyle against him. I'm a to each his own kinda guy. I hope the Texans kick the crap out of the Manziel lead Browns this yr.

 

[CloakNNNdagger]

Manziel is 21 yrs old. How many of y'all were mature at 21 yrs old? Are y'all sure that y'all aren't jealous that y'all weren't able to be able to live the life JM's living at 21?

BTW, I didn't want the Texans to draft Manziel. I don't think his game is going to translate. But I don't hold HIS lifestyle against him. I'm a to each his own kinda guy. I hope the Texans kick the crap out of the Manziel lead Browns this yr.

At 21 years old, we tended to do some things that we wouldn't do when we became older. Even so, most of us showed "growth" leading up to that landmark age. But we also weren't drafted as a high pick into the NFL with high hopes of being a top QB with all eyes upon us, trying to gain the respect of our teammates (especially older vets), fans and the people that pay our checks. Whether some people are prepared to admit it or not, maturity level will factor heavily into level of confidence all of those entities have or don't have in his ability to lead, their support of him, and the opportunities that they open up or close up for him . The bottom line is that he is getting as poor guidance today as he did by his parents when he was growing up at home...........and he has no more insight today at 21 than he had at 13.

 

[Double Barrel]

Manziel is 21 yrs old. How many of y'all were mature at 21 yrs old? Are y'all sure that y'all aren't jealous that y'all weren't able to be able to live the life JM's living at 21?

BTW, I didn't want the Texans to draft Manziel. I don't think his game is going to translate. But I don't hold HIS lifestyle against him. I'm a to each his own kinda guy. I hope the Texans kick the crap out of the Manziel lead Browns this yr.

I'm sure Manziel greatly appreciates your rush to his defense. He might even let you kiss his ring.

Some of us would like to see more about players that have actually, you know, played a down of pro football before the media saturation. Maybe even proved themselves as worthy of the attention based on on-field accomplishments.

He's an attention whore. He's branded himself and is actively pushing that brand at every available opportunity. He's probably doing it because he knows that right now could be the height of his popularity. Folks will not be so quick to buy into a brand that ends up as a bust, which is a real possibility with this player.

So are we to assume that you are extremely jealous of Bob McNair because of your constant negative comments about the man? By your own stated standards you could be perceived this way.

 

[steelbtexan]

At 21 years old, we tended to do some things that we wouldn't do when we became older. Even so, most of us showed "growth" leading up to that landmark age. But we also weren't drafted as a high pick into the NFL with high hopes of being a top QB with all eyes upon us, trying to gain the respect of our teammates (especially older vets), fans and the people that pay our checks. Whether some people are prepared to admit it or not, maturity level will factor heavily into level of confidence all of those entities have or don't have in his ability to lead, their support of him, and the opportunities that they open up or close up for him . The bottom line is that he is getting as poor guidance today as he did by his parents when he was growing up at home...........and he has no more insight today at 21 than he had at 13.

True

But if he tears it up on the field next yr and as I said before I don't think he will ever amount to much more than a slightly above avg QB at best, all of his antics/partying will be embraced.

If he does well he will be the NFL's new Layne/Namath with unlimited marketing possibilities. These same things were said about Manziel when he came out of high school about his game translating to college. I like Manziel's brashness and if he plays well the rest of the Browns will follow his lead.

Like I said above I don't think it's going to happen for JM in the NFL, but it should be a fun ride figuring it out. I actually hope I'm wrong and JM succeeds. It would be great for the NFL.

 

[TexansSeminole]

True

But if he tears it up on the field next yr and as I said before I don't think he will ever amount to much more than a slightly above avg QB at best, all of his antics/partying will be embraced.

If he does well he will be the NFL's new Layne/Namath with unlimited marketing possibilities. These same things were said about Manziel when he came out of high school about his game translating to college. I like Manziel's brashness and if he plays well the rest of the Browns will follow his lead.

Like I said above I don't think it's going to happen for JM in the NFL, but it should be a fun ride figuring it out. I actually hope I'm wrong and JM succeeds. It would be great for the NFL.

I don't understand the "new Namath" comments that I have seen on this board several times. Layne played in the 50s and Namath in the 60s and 70s. I don't think people will embrace this type of persona today, especially with 24/7 media.

 

[EllisUnit]

True

But if he tears it up on the field next yr and as I said before I don't think he will ever amount to much more than a slightly above avg QB at best, all of his antics/partying will be embraced.

If he does well he will be the NFL's new Layne/Namath with unlimited marketing possibilities. These same things were said about Manziel when he came out of high school about his game translating to college. I like Manziel's brashness and if he plays well the rest of the Browns will follow his lead.

Like I said above I don't think it's going to happen for JM in the NFL, but it should be a fun ride figuring it out. I actually hope I'm wrong and JM succeeds. It would be great for the NFL.

I don't see how a spoiled brat becoming a NFL success is really going to be great for the NFL. I personally like the stories of kids who had it rough, the ones who faced adversity and work their asses off to make it. Like the movie "Blindside", those are inspiring.

On the other hand i don't find a kid who was spoon fed by his parents, charged for his autograph in college, and has to always make a fool of himself inspiring. Just my opinion of course.

 

[AngryNateFTW]

He's not asking TMZ to follow him all over the place. He is enjoying himself and i'm fine with that.

I do think that if he planned on continuing this lifestyle though that he probably should have stayed in school 1 more year.

 

[Dan B.]

http://bustedcoverage.com/2014/07/0...(Busted+Coverage:+Booze,+Ladies+And+Football)