Texans interested in Stanford HC David Shaw

[Playoffs]

Among the candidates I know the Texans are interested in are former Chicago Bears coach Lovie Smith, Stanford coach David Shaw and San Diego offensive coordinator Ken Whisenhunt.

http://blog.chron.com/ultimatetexan...ahan-but-interested-in-smith-shaw-whisenhunt/

David Shaw, head coach, Stanford -- The former NFL assistant is so hot right now he can almost have his pick of jobs if he wants to move.

1995 Western Washington (LB)
1996 Western Washington (TE)
1997 Philadelphia Eagles (QC)
1998–2000 Oakland Raiders (QC)
2001 Oakland Raiders (QB)
2002–2004 Baltimore Ravens (QB/WR)
2005 Baltimore Ravens (WR)
2006 Univ. of San Diego (WR/QB)
2007–2009 Stanford (OC/WR)
2010 Stanford (OC/RB)
2011–present Stanford HC

 

[bhsman]

Shaw would be my favorite non-defensive coach to run with; my only concerns is that he runs a very 'punch 'em in the mouth' offense and I don't know how well we'd transition to that with our smaller linemen. Brown, Myers, and Brooks could transition, as well as maybe Quessenberry and Jones (though Jones would have to be the backup center/heir apparent to Myers rather than have them both on the line in five-man formations), but Newton, Smith (who is likely cut), and any of our depth guys like Kupper and that guy we got back from the Eagles might not fit.

That said, I'd be more than happy with Shaw.

 

[Texn4life]

I would be very good with this hire. He runs a very ugly, but effective offense at Stanford. A lot of that has to do with personnel though. I'm sure he'd have to convince Bob and Rick that he would find ways to involve AJ and maximize Hopkins potential. The running game would definitely be in good hands though.

Then it would boil down to who you have coaching on the defensive side of the ball. If Shwartz gets canned this year he may be a good DC hire to pair with Shaw. Someone that has some HC experience in the NFL.

 

[Texian]

Please! Please! Please! Let it be so. That said, I can't imagine David Shaw taking a job where he has to work for/with a GM who thru the previous coaching staff under the bus. The same can be said for any other high profile well regarded prospective head coach. I am expecting a retread or more average and ordinary. It's the Houston Texans way.

 

[DBCooper]

Please! Please! Please! Let it be so. That said, I can't imagine David Shaw taking a job where he has to work for/with a GM who thru the previous coaching staff under the bus. The same can be said for any other high profile well regarded prospective head coach. I am expecting a retread or more average and ordinary. It's the Houston Texans way.

You sound like a broken record.

I don't get this "threw him under the bus" mentality. Kubes had his chance and the NFL passed him by.

I'm not saying Rick Smith doesn't need to be fired also, but I don't think Kubiak was thrown under any bus, he needed to go.

 

[Texian]

You sound like a broken record.

I don't get this "threw him under the bus" mentality. Kubes had his chance and the NFL passed him by.

I'm not saying Rick Smith doesn't need to be fired also, but I don't think Kubiak was thrown under any bus, he needed to go.

I agree Kubiak needed to go, I have been saying wanting that for 3 years. That doesn't excuse the fact that Smith did in fact throw the coaching staff under the bus. You may think it's immaterial but I assure it hasn't gone unnoticed in the coaching community. It will be a factor with those coaches with high aspirations. In the back of any new perspective coach's mind, they will be thinking, anything that I do that this buffoon doesn't agree with or doesn't like he will be on the phone to Peter King and/or NFL Network trashing me and my coaches.

 

[DexmanC]

I agree Kubiak needed to go, I have been saying wanting that for 3 years. That doesn't excuse the fact that Smith did in fact throw the coaching staff under the bus. You may think it's immaterial but I assure it hasn't gone unnoticed in the coaching community. It will be a factor with those coaches with high aspirations. In the back of any new perspective coach's mind, they will be thinking, anything that I do that this buffoon doesn't agree with or doesn't like he will be on the phone to Peter King and/or NFL Network trashing me and my coaches.

The consensus around the NFL is that Kubiak's failure to coach up the talent, not the Texans' current level of talent, is why this team is the dumpster fire that it is. Talent evaluation is to the credit of the GM. Rick Smith gets credit for that. If anyone threw Kubiak under the bus, it was his own players. I'd never seen a more non-disciplined team in my life than what we witnessed on Thursday Night. The whole country was watching that debacle. That, more than anything else, ended Kubiak's season early.

This will be his first Kubiak-free draft. Let's see how he does.

 

[Texian]

You sound like a broken record.

I don't get this "threw him under the bus" mentality. Kubes had his chance and the NFL passed him by.

I'm not saying Rick Smith doesn't need to be fired also, but I don't think Kubiak was thrown under any bus, he needed to go.

The consensus around the NFL is that Kubiak's failure to coach up the talent, not the Texans' current level of talent, is why this team is the dumpster fire that it is. Talent evaluation is to the credit of the GM. Rick Smith gets credit for that. If anyone threw Kubiak under the bus, it was his own players. I'd never seen a more non-disciplined team in my life than what we witnessed on Thursday Night. The whole country was watching that debacle. That, more than anything else, ended Kubiak's season early.

This will be his first Kubiak-free draft. Let's see how he does.

This is not about Kubiak. As of Friday Kubiak is no longer a Houston Texan. A month ago Ian Rapoport reported this on the air and in print:

The interesting part of Rapoport's report is that he said the Texans' front office is "a bit frustrated" with Kubiak and the rest of his coaching staff.

The frustration stems from coaches having too much draft input and keeping stars on the field too long. Rapoport elaborated on the last point, saying that the front office believes the lack of a defensive-line rotation leads to wearing down late in games."

Simple Question: How do you convince a new perspective Head Coach that this is not going to happen to him and his coaching staff?

 

[GuerillaBlack]

This is not about Kubiak. As of Friday Kubiak is no longer a Houston Texan. A month ago Ian Rapoport reported this on the air and in print:

The interesting part of Rapoport's report is that he said the Texans' front office is "a bit frustrated" with Kubiak and the rest of his coaching staff.

The frustration stems from coaches having too much draft input and keeping stars on the field too long. Rapoport elaborated on the last point, saying that the front office believes the lack of a defensive-line rotation leads to wearing down late in games."

Simple Question: How do you convince a new perspective Head Coach that this is not going to happen to him and his coaching staff?

This stuff happens all the time before a coach firing. Not a big deal if you do your job.

 

[2slik4u]

This is not about Kubiak. As of Friday Kubiak is no longer a Houston Texan. A month ago Ian Rapoport reported this on the air and in print:

The interesting part of Rapoport's report is that he said the Texans' front office is "a bit frustrated" with Kubiak and the rest of his coaching staff.

The frustration stems from coaches having too much draft input and keeping stars on the field too long. Rapoport elaborated on the last point, saying that the front office believes the lack of a defensive-line rotation leads to wearing down late in games."

Simple Question: How do you convince a new perspective Head Coach that this is not going to happen to him and his coaching staff?

It's simple. When you are winning and showing progress you will not hear complaints from FO. When you are on an 8 game losing streak (assuming that's about when the article was written) and have taken many big steps in the WRONG direction you will start to hear "suggestions" from the Brass.

This is nothing to new to the NFL. It doesn't mean they are throwing the coaching staff under the bus. To me, honestly, it shows that the FO is just as frustrated as the fans and this their way of letting us know that they see what is going on without coming out saying they are going to can him.

As said once before - winning cures everything. Progress certainly helps as well.

 

[ObsiWan]

This is not about Kubiak. As of Friday Kubiak is no longer a Houston Texan. A month ago Ian Rapoport reported this on the air and in print:

The interesting part of Rapoport's report is that he said the Texans' front office is "a bit frustrated" with Kubiak and the rest of his coaching staff.

The frustration stems from coaches having too much draft input and keeping stars on the field too long. Rapoport elaborated on the last point, saying that the front office believes the lack of a defensive-line rotation leads to wearing down late in games."

Simple Question: How do you convince a new perspective Head Coach that this is not going to happen to him and his coaching staff?

So was that an inaccurate assessment?
I don't think it was.
How many games did we have a half-time lead only to see a tired defense give it up??
How many of us wonder why our pass rush was non-existent outside of J.J. Watt and the occasional Ninja sack?
Would a D-line kept fresh by more frequent rotation made our defense more effective? Who knows for sure. But the "front office" wasn't the only group wondering about it.

 

[markn]

Question: How do you convince a new perspective Head Coach that this is not going to happen to him and his coaching staff?

You don't. It should be obvious to any experienced head coach that if he coaches a team down to an eleven game losing streak he will be thrown under the bus.

 

[cuppacoffee]

Please! Please! Please! Let it be so. That said, I can't imagine David Shaw taking a job where he has to work for/with a GM who thru the previous coaching staff under the bus. The same can be said for any other high profile well regarded prospective head coach. I am expecting a retread or more average and ordinary. It's the Houston Texans way.

Were you even paying attention.

McNair threw Kubiak under the bus, if that's what you want to call firing someone.

I suspect McNair instructed Smith to just sit there and let me do the talking.

McNair was obviously pizzed at the teams performance in Jax, and anyone who opened their trap would have been shown the door along with Kubiak.

Smiths job now is to identify the quitters on the team and show them the door.

 

[Uncle Rico]

Hate to be that guy, but Shaws resume isn't that impressive to me. 2 yrs calling plays and 1 as a head coach. That's it? What's the fascination? Did he inherit was Harbaugh left behind?

 

[Exascor]

Hate to be that guy, but Shaws resume isn't that impressive to me. 2 yrs calling plays and 1 as a head coach. That's it? What's the fascination? Did he inherit was Harbaugh left behind?

The only thing that is impressive to me is that he sustained success after losing Luck. His offense is scary boring.

 

[Hervoyel]

The consensus around the NFL is that Kubiak's failure to coach up the talent, not the Texans' current level of talent, is why this team is the dumpster fire that it is. Talent evaluation is to the credit of the GM. Rick Smith gets credit for that. If anyone threw Kubiak under the bus, it was his own players. I'd never seen a more non-disciplined team in my life than what we witnessed on Thursday Night. The whole country was watching that debacle. That, more than anything else, ended Kubiak's season early.

This will be his first Kubiak-free draft. Let's see how he does.

Look, Rick Smith isn't going anywhere anytime soon and you can approach this incontrovertible fact in one of two ways. You can ***** and moan about him deserving to be run out of town or you can hope that the man is a better GM without Gary Kubiak in the building than he was with Gary Kubiak in the building. The Texans did that whole Coach-GM hiring thing backwards and it put Smith in a position where he was required to be Gary Kubiak's yes man. At the same time he was often praised for finding talent right off the street when we had guys go down. there is some evidence that the man can do the job.

What do you want to do? I'm hoping he's going to be better going forward.

 

[2slik4u]

Hate to be that guy, but Shaws resume isn't that impressive to me. 2 yrs calling plays and 1 as a head coach. That's it? What's the fascination? Did he inherit was Harbaugh left behind?

He put together a hell of a season (2013) without the likes of Andrew Luck.

That's pretty good...not saying he should be crowned but I certainly think he is an "up and comer" when it comes to new, young head coaches.

 

[Texian]

So was that an inaccurate assessment?
I don't think it was.
How many games did we have a half-time lead only to see a tired defense give it up??
How many of us wonder why our pass rush was non-existent outside of J.J. Watt and the occasional Ninja sack?
Would a D-line kept fresh by more frequent rotation made our defense more effective? Who knows for sure. But the "front office" wasn't the only group wondering about it.

It may all be true, every bit of it. But why the need to discuss it in the National Media?

You don't. It should be obvious to any experienced head coach that if he coaches a team down to an eleven game losing streak he will be thrown under the bus.

Sure but you don't take that situation and turn it into a situation where if there are 5-6 NFL head coaching jobs available your opening is only the 4th, 5th or 6th best job available because of your loose lipped GM trashed the coaching staff just to save his own job.

 

[Uncle Rico]

He put together a hell of a season (2013) without the likes of Andrew Luck.

That's pretty good...not saying he should be crowned but I certainly think he is an "up and comer" when it comes to new, young head coaches.

I get that, but 1 year? I'd like to see a bigger body of work before committing the next 5 year's to the guy. Seems to me he just took Harbaughs last 2 recruiting classes and ran with it.

It's not like he built the program like let's say an Art Briles has. In 2 different schools. I mean think about it BAYLOR is ranked 6th in the country. That's crazy when that program was a laughingstock for decades. Same to a lesser extent what he did at UofH , brought them back to respectability. Just sayin'

I would prefer some NFL head coaching experience myself.

 

[markn]

Sure but you don't take that situation and turn it into a situation where if there are 5-6 NFL head coaching jobs available your opening is only the 4th, 5th or 6th best job available because of your loose lipped GM trashed the coaching staff just to save his own job.

I think you're overdoing the smith factor here. I'm no fan (check the avatar), but I'm pretty sure this kind of politicking goes on every time a team goes into meltdown.

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[Texian]

I get that, but 1 year? I'd like to see a bigger body of work before committing the next 5 year's to the guy. Seems to me he just took Harbaughs last 2 recruiting classes and ran with it.

The reason I like him is because his teams are always well prepared and in all 3 phases of the game. They play hard and physical the whole game.

 

[Jackie Chiles]

Hate to be that guy, but Shaws resume isn't that impressive to me. 2 yrs calling plays and 1 as a head coach. That's it? What's the fascination? Did he inherit was Harbaugh left behind?

This is his third year as the head coach though. 11-2, 12-2 and currently 11-2 right now. Also OC is listed on his resume from 07-10 so that looks like more than 2 years calling plays.

 

[Texian]

I think you're overdoing the smith factor here. I'm no fan (check the avatar), but I'm pretty sure this kind of politicking goes on every time a team goes into meltdown.

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Maybe so but if you're David Shaw and you've your choice of Tampa w/ full control, Washington w/ RGIII and Houston were the last coaching staff was excoriated in the national media by the GM you'll be working for, where are you going? This is why Lovie Smith is likely to be the next coach, just so he can get back in coaching. If you read tea leaves this is also what Smith's cozy media buddies are saying.

 

[ace]

http://www.footballphds.com/2013/12/07/congratulations-stanfords-david-shaw-will-be-the-houston-texans-next-coach/

I like the way he thinks!

 

[Big Lou]

This is not about Kubiak. As of Friday Kubiak is no longer a Houston Texan. A month ago Ian Rapoport reported this on the air and in print:

The interesting part of Rapoport's report is that he said the Texans' front office is "a bit frustrated" with Kubiak and the rest of his coaching staff.

The frustration stems from coaches having too much draft input and keeping stars on the field too long. Rapoport elaborated on the last point, saying that the front office believes the lack of a defensive-line rotation leads to wearing down late in games."

Simple Question: How do you convince a new perspective Head Coach that this is not going to happen to him and his coaching staff?

You just tell the new hire, win games and you won't hear sh!t..........

 

[Big Lou]

Maybe so but if you're David Shaw and you've your choice of Tampa w/ full control, Washington w/ RGIII and Houston were the last coaching staff was excoriated in the national media by the GM you'll be working for, where are you going? This is why Lovie Smith is likely to be the next coach, just so he can get back in coaching. If you read tea leaves this is also what Smith's cozy media buddies are saying.

Excoriated is a little strong. Also anyone dropping 11 in a row has a big target on thier back. Now, a team being discussed to go to the SB dropping 11 in a row and you get a bit more attention.

A team that went 12-4 the year before, won two division titles in a row in a weak division, with a plethora of talent, what do you think will happen on the 425 hours of weekly NFL related programing? Is Rick suppossed to defend that, I don't think so. Besides the reports were leaked and hinted at disagreements not full on fighting, it wasn't like Rick Smith had a press conference, and said "Gary's is the dumbest HC I've every come across in the NFL, and doesn't deserve to be a water boy in Pee Wee Football".

 

[cstyle42]

Maybe so but if you're David Shaw and you've your choice of Tampa w/ full control, Washington w/ RGIII and Houston were the last coaching staff was excoriated in the national media by the GM you'll be working for, where are you going? This is why Lovie Smith is likely to be the next coach, just so he can get back in coaching. If you read tea leaves this is also what Smith's cozy media buddies are saying.

Houston where I can draft my own qb with JJ Watt, Andre Johnson, Arian Foster and Brian Cushing as my foundation.

 

[IDEXAN]

He's young, he's a Bro, he's got NFL experience without having any "NFL HC retread" stigma, and he's from a popular college with the media that has real student-jocks where it's thought to be more challenging for the coach to win because of higher academic standards which precludes many top prospects from getting admission who otherwise have easy access to the 'Bamas, UTs, FSUs, etc.
Did I miss anything ?

 

[Texian]

Houston where I can draft my own qb with JJ Watt, Andre Johnson, Arian Foster and Brian Cushing as my foundation.

More likely it will be Miami where everyone gets fired, Shaw gets full control and a franchise QB. Franchise QB trumps Watt.

 

[texanhead08]

Shaw would be my favorite non-defensive coach to run with; my only concerns is that he runs a very 'punch 'em in the mouth' offense and I don't know how well we'd transition to that with our smaller linemen. Brown, Myers, and Brooks could transition, as well as maybe Quessenberry and Jones (though Jones would have to be the backup center/heir apparent to Myers rather than have them both on the line in five-man formations), but Newton, Smith (who is likely cut), and any of our depth guys like Kupper and that guy we got back from the Eagles might not fit.

That said, I'd be more than happy with Shaw.

We need to get some big uglies then and I would be more than happy I am hoping this happens. Shaw is my favorite candidate and if he makes us an offense that plays physical it should eliminate some of our red zone issues.

 

[cstyle42]

More likely it will be Miami where everyone gets fired, Shaw gets full control and a franchise QB. Franchise QB trumps Watt.

Franchise QB? You talking about Ryan who?

 

[infantrycak]

More likely it will be Miami where everyone gets fired, Shaw gets full control and a franchise QB. Franchise QB trumps Watt.

The report today is Ireland is safe.

You didn't like Smith being retained and are now parade of horribles denigrating the decision.

 

[nero THE zero]

Fairly certain if you polled 32 NFL GM's and asked whether they'd rather start a franchise with JJ Watt or Ryan Tannehill, 33 of them would pick JJ Watt.

 

[beerlover]

Would be amazing if true!

 

[markn]

Maybe so but if you're David Shaw and you've your choice of Tampa w/ full control, Washington w/ RGIII and Houston were the last coaching staff was excoriated in the national media by the GM you'll be working for, where are you going? This is why Lovie Smith is likely to be the next coach, just so he can get back in coaching. If you read tea leaves this is also what Smith's cozy media buddies are saying.

I'd take the Texans relatively loaded roster and #1 pick over those teams. I think we're a very attractive destination.

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[steelbtexan]

The consensus around the NFL is that Kubiak's failure to coach up the talent, not the Texans' current level of talent, is why this team is the dumpster fire that it is. Talent evaluation is to the credit of the GM. Rick Smith gets credit for that. If anyone threw Kubiak under the bus, it was his own players. I'd never seen a more non-disciplined team in my life than what we witnessed on Thursday Night. The whole country was watching that debacle. That, more than anything else, ended Kubiak's season early.

This will be his first Kubiak-free draft. Let's see how he does.

Then I disagree with the consensus around the NFL.

Tell me more about all of this talent on the Texans roster?

QB? Who's the QB next yr
RB ? Who will be the RB next yr with Foster likely not making it back from back surgery and Tate likely gone.
OL? 2/5 ths of the OL are terrible and need to be replaced, We're counting on a 6th rd rookie coming off of injury to come in and start and a guy coming off of microfracture surgery as depth.
WR's AJ is great, Hopkins has potential but there's nobody that strike fear into a defense and can take the top off of a defense. Hopefully Posey can become that guy.

Defense
DL? Watt and maybe A.Smith if he restructures are OK. Mitchell/Troup/Jamison/Crick are JAGS.
LB's Other than Cushing Who's hurt more often than not, the rest are just a bunch of JAGS.
DB's CB's Joseph appears to be hurt again and just a shell of his former self. KJ has regressed, not to 2010 levels. But to avg NFL CB standards. McCain should be cut tomorrow. Safties, Swearinger is a rookie with some potential but he's a hot head and reminds me of Pollard. Those type S are going out of style in todays NFL. Keo should never be starting on an NFL playoff contending team. Manning, needs to prove he can make it back from injury and was the best DB on the team before getting hurt. That says something.
K. Fat Randy, Do you believe in him?
P Lechler, HOF'er

In short I dont see all of this supposed talent, There's no pass rush, there needs to be a big nasty to help stop the running game in the middle and the DB's are avg when healthy at best.

Offense, No QB/RB and an OL that just plain stinks with little to no depth.

 

[houstonhurricane]

Right now, Shaw is the only name that excites me. Sure, he may be more of an unknown commodity than Lovie Smith or Wisenhunt, but I really like the upside and think he could grow into exactly the type of coach we need now...and into the future.

 

[Texian]

The report today is Ireland is safe.

You didn't like Smith being retained and are now parade of horribles denigrating the decision.

I don't know about a parade, pointing out consequences that could follow the decision, GUILTY!

 

[Texian]

Fairly certain if you polled 32 NFL GM's and asked whether they'd rather start a franchise with JJ Watt or Ryan Tannehill, 33 of them would pick JJ Watt.

Don't bet heavily. The Texans have JJ Watt and they're 2-11, the Dolphins have Tannehill are 7-6 trying to make the playoffs. Make no mistake, a good QB always trumps a great Defensive player.

 

[houstonspartan]

Please! Please! Please! Let it be so. That said, I can't imagine David Shaw taking a job where he has to work for/with a GM who thru the previous coaching staff under the bus. The same can be said for any other high profile well regarded prospective head coach. I am expecting a retread or more average and ordinary. It's the Houston Texans way.

Give me a break. Using phrases like "threw under the bus" to describe what happened is overly-dramatic and hyperbolic. And untrue.

I'm not saying that Smith doesn't deserve some blame for this mess. He does; but say that evaluating the staff and concluding that changes (finally) needed to be made is not throwing anyone under the bus. It's managing, which Smith and McNair have been poor at.

If you screw up at work, and your boss constantly gives you opportunities to improve, and yet you don't improve, your boss may likely let you go. That's not throwing you under the bus.

 

[Double Barrel]

McNair is setting up the next HC to be in a high pressure "win now" situation with his comments at the Kubiak press conference.

I would not doubt that many coaches like Shaw do not want that type of immediate gratification demand put on them. They will not be given much room to build long term when playoffs are expected in 2014.

Money can only talk so much when someone is happy where they are at. Shaw is a king at Stanford. Why risk being a court jester if he cannot produce quickly enough?

I like the idea of Shaw, but I seriously doubt that he comes to H-town.

 

[Texian]

Give me a break. Using phrases like "threw under the bus" to describe what happened is overly-dramatic and hyperbolic. And untrue.

I'm not saying that Smith doesn't deserve some blame for this mess. He does; but say that evaluating the staff and concluding that changes (finally) needed to be made is not throwing anyone under the bus. It's managing, which Smith and McNair have been poor at.

If you screw up at work, and your boss constantly gives you opportunities to improve, and yet you don't improve, your boss may likely let you go. That's not throwing you under the bus.

That's exactly what Smith did. He used the National Media to save his own butt and his job. What you say is true but there is no reason whatsoever for him to whine to the National Media. Why go to the media at all? It served only one purpose, saving Rick Smith. It will come back to bite him and the Texans in the butt.

 

[Playoffs]

McNair is setting up the next HC to be in a high pressure "win now" situation with his comments at the Kubiak press conference.

I would not doubt that many coaches like Shaw do not want that type of immediate gratification demand put on them. They will not be given much room to build long term when playoffs are expected in 2014.

Money can only talk so much when someone is happy where they are at. Shaw is a king at Stanford. Why risk being a court jester if he cannot produce quickly enough?

I like the idea of Shaw, but I seriously doubt that he comes to H-town.

But McNair has also shown a desire to stick with his HC longer than many other owners may have. I think the Texans is one of the better jobs to have.

I like the idea of Shaw in the sense that the NFL is an all offense/all QB league. (Yesterday was the single day all time record for TDs). I just hope he has the ability to innovate/adjust, because the league will catch up to what you're doing. Ask Pep Hamilton about that, who comes from Stanford as well.

 

[michaelm]

McNair is setting up the next HC to be in a high pressure "win now" situation with his comments at the Kubiak press conference.

I would not doubt that many coaches like Shaw do not want that type of immediate gratification demand put on them. They will not be given much room to build long term when playoffs are expected in 2014.

Money can only talk so much when someone is happy where they are at. Shaw is a king at Stanford. Why risk being a court jester if he cannot produce quickly enough?

I like the idea of Shaw, but I seriously doubt that he comes to H-town.

I understand your point, but McNair has also shown that he will stick with his HC for longer than most owners would. The new HC would be under pressure to win right away, but failing to win next year or even the next wouldn't put that coach on the hot seat, IMO.

 

[CretorFrigg]

But McNair has also shown a desire to stick with his HC longer than many other owners may have. I think the Texans is one of the better jobs to have.

I don't know if it's one of the better jobs to have. A lot of head coaches want power and control of what he's coaching. He wants his pick of GM, etc. It appears Rick Smith is still here, and all McNair wants to do is hire a new HC. I don't known how attractive that sounds to head coaches that want to put in their own guys.

 

[Double Barrel]

I understand your point, but McNair has also shown that he will stick with his HC for longer than most owners would. The new HC would be under pressure to win right away, but failing to win next year or even the next wouldn't put that coach on the hot seat, IMO.

Past performance is not always indicative of future decisions. Often, yes, but not always. McNair might have learned a lesson about being "too patient" with Kubiak.

As far as the rest, I'm only going on the owner's words a few days ago. He specifically stated that he expects immediate success in 2014 to the point of competing for the playoffs. That does not sound like the words of a patient man at the moment.

You are probably right that he would keep a new head coach longer than a year or two. So McNair is a bit at odds with his current desires versus his past tendencies.

My point still stands, though, that the new head coach will not be allowed a rebuild, so it is a bit of a high pressure situation than other teams that are allowing head coaches to build their own foundations.

For all we know, Shaw could be a coach that wants to build from the ground up. We do not know much about him other than Stanford being his dream job and as of last December, his last head coach interview (his words). I'm not getting my hopes up about Shaw, all things considered.

 

[Vinny]

Past performance is not always indicative of future decisions. Often, yes, but not always. McNair might have learned a lesson about being "too patient" with Kubiak.

As far as the rest, I'm only going on the owner's words a few days ago. He specifically stated that he expects immediate success in 2014 to the point of competing for the playoffs. That does not sound like the words of a patient man at the moment.

You are probably right that he would keep a new head coach longer than a year or two. So McNair is a bit at odds with his current desires versus his past tendencies.

My point still stands, though, that the new head coach will not be allowed a rebuild, so it is a bit of a high pressure situation than other teams that are allowing head coaches to build their own foundations.

For all we know, Shaw could be a coach that wants to build from the ground up. We do not know much about him other than Stanford being his dream job and as of last December, his last head coach interview (his words). I'm not getting my hopes up about Shaw, all things considered.

McNair is setting himself up for another round of the Emperor's new clothing. Everyone telling him what he wants to hear (yeah we can win with Carr).

McNair should shut his trap about what he wants and let his GM pick the next coach or find a stronger GM. If the "football people" determine that we should rebuild, we should rebuild. If the "football people" determine that we need to tweak and reload, we should tweak and reload. This mandate from an owner who has proven he doesn't know what he is doing on football related matters is growing kinda old to this old dog of a fan.

 

[Marcus]

Then I disagree with the consensus around the NFL.

Tell me more about all of this talent on the Texans roster?

QB? Who's the QB next yr
RB ? Who will be the RB next yr with Foster likely not making it back from back surgery and Tate likely gone.
OL? 2/5 ths of the OL are terrible and need to be replaced, We're counting on a 6th rd rookie coming off of injury to come in and start and a guy coming off of microfracture surgery as depth.
WR's AJ is great, Hopkins has potential but there's nobody that strike fear into a defense and can take the top off of a defense. Hopefully Posey can become that guy.

Defense
DL? Watt and maybe A.Smith if he restructures are OK. Mitchell/Troup/Jamison/Crick are JAGS.
LB's Other than Cushing Who's hurt more often than not, the rest are just a bunch of JAGS.
DB's CB's Joseph appears to be hurt again and just a shell of his former self. KJ has regressed, not to 2010 levels. But to avg NFL CB standards. McCain should be cut tomorrow. Safties, Swearinger is a rookie with some potential but he's a hot head and reminds me of Pollard. Those type S are going out of style in todays NFL. Keo should never be starting on an NFL playoff contending team. Manning, needs to prove he can make it back from injury and was the best DB on the team before getting hurt. That says something.
K. Fat Randy, Do you believe in him?
P Lechler, HOF'er

In short I dont see all of this supposed talent, There's no pass rush, there needs to be a big nasty to help stop the running game in the middle and the DB's are avg when healthy at best.

Offense, No QB/RB and an OL that just plain stinks with little to no depth.

I know you're gonna fall out of your chair in shock, but I absolutely agree with your assessment.

You don't know how many times I want to choke someone who utters this "we've got too much talent on this team" nonsense.

The fact is, we don't. And it's going to take a lot more than a high draft pick QB, and a new hire HC to get back on the winning track.

 

[The Pencil Neck]

Don't bet heavily. The Texans have JJ Watt and they're 2-11, the Dolphins have Tannehill are 7-6 trying to make the playoffs. Make no mistake, a good QB always trumps a great Defensive player.

OTOH, we have the #1 pick in the draft and he'll be able to choose whichever QB he wants. Drafting a QB automatically gives you an extra year or two of development time and the guy he gets will probably be better than Tannehill if he plays his cards right.

With AJ and Hopkins on the outside and OD/GG at TE, he'll have people to throw to. With Duane Brown and Chris Myers, he'll have a couple of OL pieces to build around. And at RB... well... see...

On the defensive side... well... there's JJ. And. Um. Some injured guys. And some underperforming guys. But they're #3 in Yards Allowed!? (And #32 in take-aways.)

I think it's more of a wash between the Texans and the Dolphins. They have the stigma of that whole bullying thing and a GM who possibly has an even worse reputation than Rick Smith.

 

[Double Barrel]

McNair is setting himself up for another round of the Emperor's new clothing. Everyone telling him what he wants to hear (yeah we can win with Carr).

McNair should shut his trap about what he wants and let his GM pick the next coach or find a stronger GM. If the "football people" determine that we should rebuild, we should rebuild. If the "football people" determine that we need to tweak and reload, we should tweak and reload. This mandate from an owner who has proven he doesn't know what he is doing on football related matters is growing kinda old to this old dog of a fan.

I was a bit surprised by McNair's words when I read the whole thing. His little diatribe about hiring a coach who used to be a player was unusual. Seemed like a little jab at Kubiak. There have been quite a few successful head coaches in the NFL that used to play pro ball.

And I do not recall an owner ever saying something like "we are a lot more talented than XXX (Jaguars in this case)". His team just got dominated twice by the Jags, and it was weird to see him say those words.

He's got a yes-man with Rick Smith. Dude is almost family now. So yeah, the Emperor will be streaking through the halls of Reliant and everyone will tell him his imaginary robes look mah-velous.

It's like a pendulum sometimes. The insistence on Keenum from the owner is a very Jerrah-esque thing. That should have been a statement from Rick Smith, IMO, not the owner.

I do not see this team being in a sure-fire position to be playoff caliber in 2014. I think there are some vital areas that need to be addressed (starting at QB!). But whatever, it's his team. And these are just my fan observations.