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Texans reach out to Lovie Smith

kingtexan said:
If we hire Smith, it will free up my Sundays for quite some time.

Texans wont be fit to watch ...
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Initially I wasn't thrilled about this but after digging into his past and reading up on him I think we can certainly do worse.

Still not my first choice...
 
Never really heard of this consultant. He never made it in the coaching ranks beyond positional coaching, but has somehow managed to become the head of this supposedly respected "sports search" entity.

Jed Hughes serves as vice chair and leader of executive search firm Korn/Ferry's global sports practice. He is a pioneer of senior-level search and organizational assessment in the world of sports. Jed's high profile placements include New York Jets GM John Idzik; Mark Murphy, CEO of the Green Bay Packers; Larry Scott, Commissioner of the Pac-12; Bob Bowlsby, Commissioner of the Big 12; Dave Brandon and Brady Hoke, the athletic director and the head coach of the Michigan Wolverines respectively. Jed has conducted searches for the USOC, LPGA, PGA of America, Seattle Seahawks, Cleveland Browns, Arsenal Football Club, Liverpool Football Club, Ohio State, ATP Tour, and Women’s Tennis Association, among others. Earlier in his career, Jed coached in pro and college football under five Hall of Fame coaches: Chuck Noll (Pittsburgh Steelers), Bud Grant (Minnesota Vikings), Bo Schembechler (Michigan), John Ralston (Stanford) and Terry Donahue (UCLA).

Jed holds a B.A. from Gettysburg College, an M.A. from Stanford, and a Ph.D. from the University of Michigan with a focus on organizational behavior. He has written white papers that include: "Succession Planning – The Retail Black Hole,” "An Old Game with New Challenges - Leadership at a Crossroads in Intercollegiate Sports,” and “Survival in the Sports Entertainment Business: The New Darwinism?”
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Sanford......Hmmmmmm........
 
Supposedly in another thread, Mike Shanahan is considered if he is fired in Washington. I'd rather take Lovie between the two.
 
santo said:
Supposedly in another thread, Mike Shanahan is considered if he is fired in Washington. I'd rather take Lovie between the two.
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I will be pretty upset if shanny comes to Houston. I think the game has passed his style of offense up (I.e. Kubiak's style as well).
 
kingtexan said:
If we hire Smith, it will free up my Sundays for quite some time.

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Yeah watching a team coached by a guy that took a team to a SB and deep into the playoffs would just be way to difficult. Join the Cowboys then or follow Kubes wherever he goes.
 
Lovie meets the Rooney Rule requirement, at worst. I just think there will be higher profile candidates. I will be watching with keen interest when the CBS pregame show discusses the opening.

CloakNNNdagger said:
Stanford......Hmmmmmm........
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Also has ties with Pittsburgh......hmmmm.......
 
If the Texans hire Lovie Smith, pretty much assures that Wade Phillips will be gone.... that's a good thing in my mind
 
santo said:
Supposedly in another thread, Mike Shanahan is considered if he is fired in Washington. I'd rather take Lovie between the two.
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Ya know, as long as he brings Kyle along..that might work. Shanahan still has fire...by the way he turns red and the veins in his neck swell up, he still has it, and his son can always take the reins after Mike's had enough of it all.
 
Another name to keep an eye on: Rapoport was told that Kevin Sumlin will receive attention from Houston brass. The Texas A&M coach recently agreed to a six-year deal with the Aggies, but he hasn't officially signed it.
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That's kinda interesting. Sounds like no more Mr Nice guy from McNair.
 
kingtexan said:
If we hire Smith, it will free up my Sundays for quite some time.

Texans wont be fit to watch ...
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I like Lovie Smith a lot more than I like the Chin or Chucky. Those two will bring a three ring affair with them.

YeaLikeRightNow said:
Ya know, as long as he brings Kyle along..that might work. Shanahan still has fire...by the way he turns red and the veins in his neck swell up, he still has it, and his son can always take the reins after Mike's had enough of it all.
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Uh... if we're thinking about our next coaches' future replacement before we even hire him... we're barking up the wrong tree.
 
JB said:
If the Texans hire Lovie Smith, pretty much assures that Wade Phillips will be gone.... that's a good thing in my mind
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I would hope - and I believe - Wade is gone regardless, but I understand what you're saying. We need as fresh a start as we can get.
 
IDEXAN said:
Another name to keep an eye on: Rapoport was told that Kevin Sumlin will receive attention from Houston brass. The Texas A&M coach recently agreed to a six-year deal with the Aggies, but he hasn't officially signed it.
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That's kinda interesting. Sounds like no more Mr Nice guy from McNair.
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Hope this wrong. Shows McNair is a bigger dumbass than I thought.
 
Why all the love for Sumlin? The guy is the college level Gruden, taking over a built up roster from Briles and then just putting it on cruise control. Everything he learned he learned from Briles, I'd rather just go for the tree than a fruit off of it.
 
Uncle Rico said:
Why all the love for Sumlin? The guy is the college level Gruden, taking over a built up roster from Briles and then just putting it on cruise control. Everything he learned he learned from Briles, I'd rather just go for the tree than a fruit off of it.
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I want nothing to do with Sumlin. Not saying he's a bad coach just saying he hasn't mastered the college level yet. He's tasted minimal success with a phenomenal QB. It will be telling what he does next season with JF.
 
God I hope not. NO TO LOVE SMITH!! We need s young up and coming coach. I do much about David Shaw, but I hear he could be the next great young coach.
 
IDEXAN said:
Another name to keep an eye on: Rapoport was told that Kevin Sumlin will receive attention from Houston brass. The Texas A&M coach recently agreed to a six-year deal with the Aggies, but he hasn't officially signed it.
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That's kinda interesting. Sounds like no more Mr Nice guy from McNair.
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Sumlin's contract has been signed, happened the day after the mizzou game. Just hasn't been ratified by the board of regents.
 
Being also a Bears fan I'm not totally against Lovie. My issue with him is he has to have a good offensive coordinator since he basically leaves that side of the ball totally to them. He hasn't had a strong track record in this area. That is his biggest negative. The second is I am grew overly tired of the cover 2 'bend and don't break' system. It sometimes kept the opposition in the game too often. At the same time the guy knew how to coach a team to make turnovers.

Positives are that he won. Folks are throwing Cowher's name who took forever to get to a Superbowl but spurn Lovie who got there with freaking Rex Grossman. He had a decent roster and got wins. That isn't an easy accomplishment. There's a reason his GM was fired a year before him after all. The talent on the roster was not adequate especially on the offensive side of the ball. Yet he got to NFC title games and Superbowl. We haven't reached either (well AFC title game) here.
 
JB said:
If the Texans hire Lovie Smith, pretty much assures that Wade Phillips will be gone.... that's a good thing in my mind
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This.

Plus, Lovie is a good coach. While not necessarily my first choice, he's on the short list. He took Sexy Rexy to the Superbowl. All he would need is a good OC. I don't think he was gifted in Chicago with good OCs.
 
Lovie smith is getting way too much flack on this site. He is a defensive mastermind especially in the tampa 2, which by the way might fit our TEAM quite well. His only downfall is on offense, but thats why you hire a great OC to go with him. IF big daddy Mike is fired in Washington you could potentially get Kyle here and who knows, once out from the gary/mike stamp, he could be good.

Or you bring in someone else who runs a ZBS so that our current ol still is effective.
 
deucetx said:
Positives are that he won. Folks are throwing Cowher's name who took forever to get to a Superbowl but spurn Lovie who got there with freaking Rex Grossman.
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Cowher got to the SB in his 4th season and lost to the Cowboys. It then took him 10 years to get back and win.
 
infantrycak said:
I think Rappaport and Mr. Hand are just flinging monkey poo to see what sticks.
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I think Rick Smith is a Mole, a snitch with a direct line to Ian Rapport, Mike Silver and Peter King. Explains Rapport's insider story a month a go and how Peter King was the first to know Kubiak was fired. Also explains why NFLN is always effusive in their praise of Rick Smith, always saying what a great GM Smith has been and how he has assembled the best talent in the league. The reporters are using Smith and Smith used the reporters to throw coaches under the bus and to save his job. Pay attention, these reporters have a direct line inside Kirby Lane.
 
Texian said:
I think Rick Smith is a Mole, a snitch with a direct line to Ian Rapport, Mike Silver and Peter King. Explains Rapport's insider story a month a go and how Peter King was the first to know Kubiak was fired. Also explains why NFLN is always effusive in their praise of Rick Smith, always saying what a great GM Smith has been and how he has assembled the best talent in the league. The reporters are using Smith and Smith used the reporters to throw coaches under the bus and to save his job. Pay attention, these reporters have a direct line inside Kirby Lane.
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Good, because we know those quacks in Houston (reporters) don't know **** about the team and have zero inside knowledge. Every team "leaks" info, its part of the game, quit trolling every thread with your hate for Smith. He is here, he is staying, let it go. I will guarantee you have no idea wtf you're talking about and I can almost bet my house you "think" our cap is in bad shape, which shows your lack of knowledge for the nfl, the cap system and Rick Smith. Grab your controller and go back to playing Madden and let the man do his job.
 
Texans will "reach out" through their headhunter to at least 10 potential candidates.

And it's not
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news that we're looking for a new HC and who fits the requirements.
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amazing80 said:
Good, because we know those quacks in Houston (reporters) don't know **** about the team and have zero inside knowledge. Every team "leaks" info, its part of the game, quit trolling every thread with your hate for Smith. He is here, he is staying, let it go. I will guarantee you have no idea wtf you're talking about and I can almost bet my house you "think" our cap is in bad shape, which shows your lack of knowledge for the nfl, the cap system and Rick Smith. Grab your controller and go back to playing Madden and let the man do his job.
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I can see you need some help connecting the dots. Also if you have an agenda and a message you want to get out you use the National Media vs the local media.

A month ago NFLN/Ian Rapport reported whispers from inside the Texans Front Office;

"That frustration channels from the coaching staff holding too much sway over the draft process and, according to Rapoport, keeping the team’s stars on the field too long. A string of defensive collapses have been pinned on a D-line that wears down late, something the Texans were guilty of against the Colts after interim coach Wade Phillips stepped in for Kubiak two Sundays ago."

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap20...kubiak-returns-to-texans-following-ministroke

The Peter King/MMQB/Smith connection;

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/football/nfl/07/10/rick-smith-mmqb/

Now if you choose to ignore the evidence that is your prerogative. Put your head back in the sand or crawl back under the covers and "Sweet Dreams".
 
Texian said:
I can see you need some help connecting the dots. Also if you have an agenda and a message you want to get out you use the National Media vs the local media.

A month ago NFLN/Ian Rapport reported whispers from inside the Texans Front Office;

"That frustration channels from the coaching staff holding too much sway over the draft process and, according to Rapoport, keeping the team’s stars on the field too long. A string of defensive collapses have been pinned on a D-line that wears down late, something the Texans were guilty of against the Colts after interim coach Wade Phillips stepped in for Kubiak two Sundays ago."

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap20...kubiak-returns-to-texans-following-ministroke

The Peter King/MMQB/Smith connection;

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/football/nfl/07/10/rick-smith-mmqb/

Now if you choose to ignore the evidence that is your prerogative. Put your head back in the sand or crawl back under the covers and "Sweet Dreams".
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Learn to read. I never said HE DIDN'T DO THAT. I said, why would he NOT DO IT? do you understand the difference? because the wasted words you just spewed suggests otherwise. So let me slow it down and sound it out so its EASIER for you.

Rick Smith prefers to "leak" info. to the national media because our local reporters are idiots. NOT to mention, Ed Reed said the same crap that Ian reported right before he was cut. It's no wonder the reports are coming out. Rick Smith was smart in cutting his ties from Gary as he saw the writing on the wall. All you "wanna" be gms who complain about Smith are unrealistic about expectations (wanting every draft pick to be a stud and wanting every free agent brought in to be the greatest thing since sliced bread) when the reality is, he is just like all the other top GMs in the league. Makes great picks and makes horrible picks, signs guys to great team friendly contracts but will occasionally over pay a few. Its part of the job. But people like you just complain for the sake of it and its stating to get real irritating. So if you want to be "wishy washy" and run your mouth drive a few hours north and root for Jerrys team, otherwise shut up, sit back and enjoy the fact you got rid of your coach and are on the verge of bringing in a legit head coach.
 
ChampionTexan said:
I would hope - and I believe - Wade is gone regardless, but I understand what you're saying. We need as fresh a start as we can get.
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Not just that, but he gave up 27+ points to the 14 ppg Jags..... twice. The Defensive guru thing should be put to bed already.
 
amazing80 said:
Learn to read. I never said HE DIDN'T DO THAT. I said, why would he NOT DO IT? do you understand the difference? because the wasted words you just spewed suggests otherwise. So let me slow it down and sound it out so its EASIER for you.

Rick Smith prefers to "leak" info. to the national media because our local reporters are idiots. NOT to mention, Ed Reed said the same crap that Ian reported right before he was cut. It's no wonder the reports are coming out. Rick Smith was smart in cutting his ties from Gary as he saw the writing on the wall. All you "wanna" be gms who complain about Smith are unrealistic about expectations (wanting every draft pick to be a stud and wanting every free agent brought in to be the greatest thing since sliced bread) when the reality is, he is just like all the other top GMs in the league. Makes great picks and makes horrible picks, signs guys to great team friendly contracts but will occasionally over pay a few. Its part of the job. But people like you just complain for the sake of it and its stating to get real irritating. So if you want to be "wishy washy" and run your mouth drive a few hours north and root for Jerrys team, otherwise shut up, sit back and enjoy the fact you got rid of your coach and are on the verge of bringing in a legit head coach.
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Jerah's team is a lot like Bob's team. Both are under the illusion that they have the most talented team in the league. Both have a salary cap situation that does not allow them to get any better. Both over the last 8 years are average and ordinary. Both have teams who have difficulty beating .500 or > teams in the league. Rooting for one is like rooting for the other.
 
ThaShark316 said:
Black Kubiak? Nah, bruh.

Just interview him for Rooney Rule's sake and let him go somewhere else.
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What does his race have to do with anything? And considering the fact that all you ever did was spew failed arguments for Kubiak, well this post is comical to say the least.
 
Texian said:
Jerah's team is a lot like Bob's team. Both are under the illusion that they have the most talented team in the league. Both have a salary cap situation that does not allow them to get any better. Both over the last 8 years are average and ordinary. Both have teams who have difficulty beating .500 or > teams in the league. Rooting for one is like rooting for the other.
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There you go rattling off about our cap situation again, just stop. You have no idea how it works or what situation we're in. To suggest our cap is anything like the Cowboys is just grossly incorrect. This is why so many people on this board think Smith is bad, because people like you keep rumbling incorrect statements and treating them as fact. Just stop already.
 
Lovie is interesting because his teams have historically been very strong in two categories that we have been historically inept; creating turnovers and special teams. This legitimately excites me. His defenses have also been far superior to what we have trotted out and that includes our recent run of decent to good defense (which looks like its back to below average now). Overall I think hes an upgrade over Gary and we could certainly do worse.
 
Jackie Chiles said:
Lovie is interesting because his teams have historically been very strong in two categories that we have been historically inept; creating turnovers and special teams. This legitimately excites me. His defenses have also been far superior to what we have trotted out and that includes our recent run of decent to good defense (which looks like its back to below average now). Overall I think hes an upgrade over Gary and we could certainly do worse.
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I agree about defenses and special teams especially because I feel our current talent would do great in a tampa 2. BUT I am really concerned with his lack of offensive skills and his lack of hiring offensive guys. He had a hand in who was brought in during his time in Chicago and yet time after time his offenses failed. Plus his eye for talent on offense was equally as bad. We would really need a strong offensive mind with him.
 
amazing80 said:
Lovie smith is getting way too much flack on this site. He is a defensive mastermind especially in the tampa 2, which by the way might fit our TEAM quite well. His only downfall is on offense, but thats why you hire a great OC to go with him. IF big daddy Mike is fired in Washington you could potentially get Kyle here and who knows, once out from the gary/mike stamp, he could be good.

Or you bring in someone else who runs a ZBS so that our current ol still is effective.
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Are you implying that our current oline is effective? :kitten:

I personally would rather the ZBS, and the rest of the current offensive philosophy leave with Kubiak. It's not 1997, it's time for something fresh.
 
Lovie wouldn't be a bad hire provided we got some one better then the dudes he had in Chicago to handle the offense.

Defensively, no matter what this team is set with talent to be competitive, the offense is the concern, especially given that it has failed even with the a guy that built it from the ground up at the the helm, meaning we need to get someone that can reconfigure it fast so we know what we have or don't have going forward.
 
I think Lovie Smith is a solid coach, also.

Is he the best of the best? I don't think so, but I like his style better than Kubes and Wade.

I like the takes on how our special teams will fare under him!

Get a crackerjack young OC in the mix and we might turn this ship around.
 
amazing80 said:
There you go rattling off about our cap situation again, just stop. You have no idea how it works or what situation we're in.This is why so many people on this board think Smith is bad, because people like you keep rumbling incorrect statements and treating them as fact. Just stop already.
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Here is what AD Brandt had to say, Brandt is a lawyer and has worked in NFL front office negotiating contracts and managing salary cap. He knows,

Andrew Brandt ‏@adbrandt 2h

It's not good. RT @LegendKiller613 How bad is the #Texans cap situation?

maybe you should study up on the salary cap so you can be better informed.....just a thought.
 
deucetx said:
Being also a Bears fan I'm not totally against Lovie. My issue with him is he has to have a good offensive coordinator since he basically leaves that side of the ball totally to them. He hasn't had a strong track record in this area. That is his biggest negative. The second is I am grew overly tired of the cover 2 'bend and don't break' system. It sometimes kept the opposition in the game too often. At the same time the guy knew how to coach a team to make turnovers.

Positives are that he won. Folks are throwing Cowher's name who took forever to get to a Superbowl but spurn Lovie who got there with freaking Rex Grossman. He had a decent roster and got wins. That isn't an easy accomplishment. There's a reason his GM was fired a year before him after all. The talent on the roster was not adequate especially on the offensive side of the ball. Yet he got to NFC title games and Superbowl. We haven't reached either (well AFC title game) here.
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Cowher got to the Super Bowl in his fourth season and he did it with Neil O'Donnell.

He just took ten more years after that to get back and win one.
 
Texian said:
Here is what AD Brandt had to say, Brandt is a lawyer and has worked in NFL front office negotiating contracts and managing salary cap. He knows,

Andrew Brandt ‏@adbrandt 2h

It's not good. RT @LegendKiller613 How bad is the #Texans cap situation?

maybe you should study up on the salary cap so you can be better informed.....just a thought.
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I don't think anyone not in the Texans front office or the league office can really know what the cap situation is. Anyone can speculate, don't make them right
 
amazing80 said:
There you go rattling off about our cap situation again, just stop. You have no idea how it works or what situation we're in. To suggest our cap is anything like the Cowboys is just grossly incorrect. This is why so many people on this board think Smith is bad, because people like you keep rumbling incorrect statements and treating them as fact. Just stop already.
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What's bad, is the Texans will probably do nothing in the offseason to disprove it. I believe the cap is fine, but we're still not a destination for top tier FAs without overpaying & we're not going to overpay anyone to come here.

Unless we get Lovie & he can entice Cutler to come. Then we'll probably make the moves to offer him the contract he'll most likely command.
 
thunderkyss said:
What's bad, is the Texans will probably do nothing in the offseason to disprove it. I believe the cap is fine, but we're still not a destination for top tier FAs without overpaying & we're not going to overpay anyone to come here.
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What do you have to substantiate the bold? Supposedly Peyton Manning wanted to come here. Is he not top tier?
 
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