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This is an 8-8 or worse Texan team

Rey said:
Yes they did, but let's not act like Baltimore is the jaguars or some scrub team struggling to breathe.

Baltimore has some decent targets and Flacco can throw it around sometimes. Bottom line is the defense was on the field all day and we did nothing offensively to put pressure on the ravens. It's hard on a defense when an offense has little pressure to score points. They can be methodical. Do what they want. Pick and choose their spots.

Put more points up and all of a sudden they aren't so calm and cool. Play calls are different. The pressure to score is there.
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We call that "turtling up" around here.
 
There has been 1constant since the GB game last year:

Unless its JJ Watt, the defense can't generate a pass rush unless they blitz.

Wade's defense is getting exposed and has been for some time.

I'm of the opinion that even if we had a better qb, we'd have issues stoping good to great qb's when we needed to.

This week it was the offense who let us down...what about the 2 weeks before?

They just don't look good on defense at all.
 
thunderkyss said:
This time last year, the general feeling about this team was 180 degrees from where it is now. Just last week, the general feeling about the Baltimore Ravens was exactly what we are saying here.

WHYDFML

Three weeks in a row we've seen "issues" & I understand the doom & gloom being that we've seen little to make us believe we're getting better.

But I'm still optimistic. Why? Because Schaub is who he is. I don't expect him to get better, or step it up, or become something he's not. He's going to put up 4,000 or so yards (no big deal in today's NFL) & twenty some odd TDs. I'm not expecting Gary Kubiak to morph into Belichick. He's going to be who he's been. He's not going to get too "wacky" with the play calling, he's not going to get overly emotional, he's going to continue to methodically find a way to put together wins.

But I didn't see LeStar Jean out there today. That tells me Devier Posey is getting healthy. I saw 2 great catches by KeShawn Martin on 3 or 4 targets. I saw DeAndre Hopkins make some great catches. They're all pretty fast guys, including Andre. With the exception of Posey, they've all shown to be effective across the middle. Like 2009, we've got the tools to be a dynamic passing offense.

Defensively... not a lot to see there. We need to keep them off the field (& the opposing teams offense as well).

Bad game.... ugly game... but we knew that was coming. Onto next week.
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Oddly enough, our receivers and tight ends don't appear to be the problem. I think we have sufficient weapons to have a good passing attack. The problem is clearly the QB. Schaub was above average at the beginning of last season, since that time he has only become worse.
 
Mr teX said:
There has been 1constant since the GB game last year:

Unless its JJ Watt, the defense can't generate a pass rush unless they blitz.

Wade's defense is getting exposed and has been for some time.

I'm of the opinion that even if we had a better qb, we'd have issues stoping good to great qb's when we needed to.

This week it was the offense who let us down...what about the 2 weeks before?

They just don't look good on defense at all.
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It was still the offense. Schaub has basically thrown three pick-6 this season and the offense has gone dead cold at times in the middle of games. I'm worried about the offense, not the defense.
 
Mr teX said:
I'm of the opinion that even if we had a better qb, we'd have issues stoping good to great qb's when we needed to.

This week it was the offense who let us down...what about the 2 weeks before?

They just don't look good on defense at all.
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You're complaining about the defense after they give up a total of 246 yards? They gave up 248 and 263 the weeks prior. Stop the misdirection. Everyone with eyes saw what the problem was today.
 
JCTexan said:
It was still the offense. Schaub has basically thrown three pick-6 this season and the offense has gone dead cold at times in the middle of games. I'm worried about the offense, not the defense.
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Im equally worried about both to be honest...the o-line looks like garbage which has the qb uneasy back there and we're unable to really run the ball like kubes wants to. One the defensive side, we cant generate pressure with 3-4 man rushes and the defensive secondary is looking 2010 ish....
 
Lucky said:
You're complaining about the defense after they give up a total of 246 yards? They gave up 248 and 263 the weeks prior. Stop the misdirection. Everyone with eyes saw what the problem was today.
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Yeah, b/c total yards tells the whole story....

There's no misdirection, there's no faucet of this team that looks ready to take the next step up to a super bowl. Rivers torched them week 1 and they made locker lok like he's a competent NFL qb....
 
Rey said:
Put more points up and all of a sudden they aren't so calm and cool. Play calls are different. The pressure to score is there.
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You could see the difference in Wade Phillips defensive lay calling- Dumbledorf even saw it. The pass rush was passive when they were behind. Lots more Zone in the back end.
 
Lucky said:
You're complaining about the defense after they give up a total of 246 yards? They gave up 248 and 263 the weeks prior. Stop the misdirection. Everyone with eyes saw what the problem was today.
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We matchup really well with the Ravens, to be honest. Maybe better than any other competent offense. The Ravens love to run the ball and they don't have almost anyone behind Torrey Smith as a pass catching option. We can stop the run, so it was more difficult on the Ravens than it was against San Diego and other teams that will put more emphasis on their passing attack. The Ravens didn't even have Ray Rice out there today and were in turtle mode for pretty much a full quarter. They still managed to move the ball efficiently enough to score enough points and eat enough clock.
 
Mr teX said:
The same story it told last week when we won....nothing really other than the guys on the defense get paid too.
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They don't get paid as well as Schauber. He hasn't been good all year. If he continues to play like this, we won't make the playoffs.
 
Mr teX said:
The same story it told last week when we won....nothing really other than the guys on the defense get paid too.
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JamesBill said:
They don't get paid as well as Schauber. He hasn't been good all year. If he continues to play like this, we won't make the playoffs.
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How many td passes did Schaub throw today? 0. How many times were we in the red zone? Plenty of times. Kubiak and Schaub are a big fat joke.
 
TexansSeminole said:
We've seen three extremely shaky games thus far. A prediction of .500 is not off base. Have you not seen our remaining schedule?

Explain what it is that you have seen that makes you think that the prediction is so terrible, please.
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I agree with you. Here is what I predicted after the Titans game last week.

bckey said:
Week 1- at Chargers W
Week 2- vs Titans W
Week 3 at Ravens L
Week 4 vs Seahawks L
Week 5 at Niners L
Week 6 vs Rams W
Week 7 at Chiefs L
Week 8- bye
Week 9 vs Colts W
Week 10 at Cardinals W
Week 11 vs Raiders W
Week 12 vs Jags W
Week 13 vs Pats L
Week 14 at Jags W
Week 15 at Colts L
Week 16 vs Broncos L
Week 17 at Titans W

It was nice to get a win last night but the Texans were exposed by a mediocre team. I'm seeing 9-7 and maybe even 8-8 because of the nfc west. They were supposed to beat the chargers. I have them going 2-2 against the NFC west but that division got a lot tougher this year and could be 1-3 or even 0-4. The Rams and Cardinals are much improved. The Chiefs are much better this year under Andy Reid. The Texans schedule is a lot tougher than it looked when it first came out. The same schedule last year would have been much easier. Peyton is better and has way more targets and Luck has a year under his belt. The only gimmes I see are the raiders and jags.
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http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/newreply.php?do=newreply&p=2206857
 
TexansSeminole said:
The problem is clearly the QB. Schaub was above average at the beginning of last season, since that time he has only become worse.
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Schaub shouldn't be mentioned in the same post with Peyton Manning.... but this time last year, the great one was having trouble getting in sync with his receivers. Schaub has been showing issues as well. His security blanket isn't there anymore & he never gelled with KeyShawn.

With our issues at tackle, maybe the TEs had to release late. I don't know that, didn't pay much attention other than they weren't as big a factor in this game as I thought they would be.

Hopefully it's just a matter of time.
 
JamesBill said:
They don't get paid as well as Schauber. He hasn't been good all year. If he continues to play like this, we won't make the playoffs.
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The team as a whole hasn't been good all year so whats your point? There's only about 4 people on the entire team who are earning their salary right about now..watt, AJ, Nuk and OD...everyone else.
 
TexansSeminole said:
They still managed to move the ball efficiently enough to score enough points and eat enough clock.
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The Texans ran more plays (slightly) and led in time of possession (slightly). The problem was that the offense could put up points for the opposition, but not themselves. This offense continues to put the team into a hole, and it finally bit them in the arse today.
 
Lucky said:
The Texans ran more plays (slightly) and led in time of possession (slightly). The problem was that the offense could put up points for the opposition, but not themselves. This offense continues to put the team into a hole, and it finally bit them in the arse today.
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Lol schaub above average (slightly)......
 
bckey said:
I agree with you. Here is what I predicted after the Titans game last week.



http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/newreply.php?do=newreply&p=2206857
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This is why I started the next 7 games thread. Thats how important this Baltimore game was, and how worried I was after D Brown was out.

This year is nothing like the last two. Breezing our way early. But maybe this is exactly what we need. We will have to fight our way till the end after a 2-4 start. Maybe we are the best we can be at the end of the season, not in the beginning.
 
Lucky said:
The Texans ran more plays (slightly) and led in time of possession (slightly). The problem was that the offense could put up points for the opposition, but not themselves. This offense continues to put the team into a hole, and it finally bit them in the arse today.
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Totally agree. The pick six followed by a punt returned for a TD.

That changed the game. They're pinning their ears back & we're feeling pressure to score.
 
if we go 8-8 there better be a purpose to it.. if they miss the playoffs schaub and kubiak should be let go.. theres no excuse..
 
thunderkyss said:
Totally agree. The pick six followed by a punt returned for a TD.

That changed the game. They're pinning their ears back & we're feeling pressure to score.
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A disaster formula with this current Oline no doubt. We could not afford to lose turnover battle or have a failed special teams day in Baltimore aganst that front 7. We were only ever going to win this in a 16-13 type battle.
 
Premier said:
if we go 8-8 there better be a purpose to it.. if they miss the playoffs schaub and kubiak should be let go.. theres no excuse..
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For once i agree with you....of course i'd give kubiak the axe 1st..he to me at this point is the caucasian version of marvin lewis.
 
Mr teX said:
The team as a whole hasn't been good all year so whats your point? There's only about 4 people on the entire team who are earning their salary right about now..watt, AJ, Nuk and OD...everyone else.
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Cushing's been very good. It wasn't his best game today, but I think he's at least earned his money. Graham and Lechler, too.
 
Premier said:
if we go 8-8 there better be a purpose to it.. if they miss the playoffs schaub and kubiak should be let go.. theres no excuse..
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I now know better than to believe McNair would cut Kubiak loose after a non-playoff season. Not happening. But, Schaub is on a shorter leash. He can't continue to be mediocre and draw these massive paychecks.
 
Premier said:
if we go 8-8....
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I'm not even thinking about that right now. It should not be on the edge of anyone's mind in the FO. If we get to 6 losses, the man in charge should be so upset that he's thinking of making a change. If we get to 7... I think a change should be made & if my HC has no idea what that change should be, or refuses to make a meaningful change, I'll step in & make the change for the last time in his Houston Texans' career.
 
thunderkyss said:
I'm not even thinking about that right now. It should not be on the edge of anyone's mind in the FO. If we get to 6 losses, the man in charge should be so upset that he's thinking of making a change. If we get to 7... I think a change should be made & if my HC has no idea what that change should be, or refuses to make a meaningful change, I'll step in & make the change for the last time in his Houston Texans' career.
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Have you seen our next four opponents?
 
It's week 3. The Texans are 2-1 and at least tied for the division lead. A year ago we were 3-0. We went on to have our best regular season record ever. What did that mean? We lost in the divisional round.

The Broncos were 1-2 after the 3rd week last year. They ended the year 13-3 and had the #1 seed. They also lost in the divisonal round.

The Ravens struggled after the first month of the season. They lost by 30 on the road in week 6 (I fail to recall who against, though). They barely made it into the playoffs. They must have been one and done. I'm sure their fans were calling for people to be fired and thought they'd go 0-fer the rest of the season, too. They lost at home to Denver. Badly. They beat them on the road in the playoffs. They beat New England at home in the regular season on a questionable call and then beat them again on the road in the playoffs.

It's a long season. It doesn't matter what happens here. It doesn't matter who wins now. As long as we are playing in January we can win it all. Flacco looked a lot like Schaub for much of last year until January hit. He doesn't have the same skills as Flacco, but he can still get hot and sling it.

We don't have to have home field advantage. It means nothing (unless you have to go to Seattle). Get to the dance and get hot.

If it were only that easy.
 
TexanBacker93 said:
It's week 3. The Texans are 2-1 and at least tied for the division lead. A year ago we were 3-0. We went on to have our best regular season record ever. What did that mean? We lost in the divisional round.

The Broncos were 1-2 after the 3rd week last year. They ended the year 13-3 and had the #1 seed. They also lost in the divisonal round.

The Ravens struggled after the first month of the season. They lost by 30 on the road in week 6 (I fail to recall who against, though). They barely made it into the playoffs. They must have been one and done. I'm sure their fans were calling for people to be fired and thought they'd go 0-fer the rest of the season, too. They lost at home to Denver. Badly. They beat them on the road in the playoffs. They beat New England at home in the regular season on a questionable call and then beat them again on the road in the playoffs.

It's a long season. It doesn't matter what happens here. It doesn't matter who wins now. As long as we are playing in January we can win it all. Flacco looked a lot like Schaub for much of last year until January hit. He doesn't have the same skills as Flacco, but he can still get hot and sling it.

We don't have to have home field advantage. It means nothing (unless you have to go to Seattle). Get to the dance and get hot.

If it were only that easy.
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Did the Texans barely make the playoffs last year?
 
handswarmer said:
You could see the difference in Wade Phillips defensive lay calling- Dumbledorf even saw it. The pass rush was passive when they were behind. Lots more Zone in the back end.
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The gameplan was to stop the rush and make the crappy wide recievers on the Ravens make plays. The plan worked and the offense only scored 16 points. The penalties made the defense look much worse than they actually played.
 
handswarmer said:
was asking him



because we won the Division just like you guys did.
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Very true. The Ravens didn't "barely" make the playoffs. They weren't playing well for the last half of a season, though. That was the point I was attempting to make. It's a long season. There are going to be bumps. They didn't appear to be a team that was destined to win a Super Bowl until they started playing the games that mattered.
 
Mr teX said:
Yeah, b/c total yards tells the whole story....

There's no misdirection, there's no faucet of this team that looks ready to take the next step up to a super bowl. Rivers torched them week 1 and they made locker lok like he's a competent NFL qb....
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Well, in this case they probably do...they certainly have not been dominant, but of the 82 points we've given up, 31 have come as a direct result of offense or special teams plays. I'll take our defense giving up 17 points per game any time, because with our offense we should be able to score more every single time. Also, because of offensive ineffectiveness, the D has probably had to take more chances, which has probably hurt us as well.
 
Rey said:
It's so hard to check out, but damnit I want to.

At the moment I'm trying to decide if the next two games will be losses or embarrassing losses.
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Seattle looks like a well oiled machine so far this year. The game is at home, but we still haven't showed up for a game yet this season. We're extremely fortunate to not be 0-3.

And the SF game is a road game at night on national TV so you know that will be embarrassing.

After that we have St. Louis at home and then at KC before our bye. I fully anticipate a 3-4 record going into the bye week.
 
tedr said:
Well, in this case they probably do...they certainly have not been dominant, but of the 82 points we've given up, 31 have come as a direct result of offense or special teams plays. I'll take our defense giving up 17 points per game any time, because with our offense we should be able to score more every single time. Also, because of offensive ineffectiveness, the D has probably had to take more chances, which has probably hurt us as well.
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And this is the 1st game of the year the offense has not scored 20 pts or more. The difference however is that the defense has put the offense behind the 8 ball 2 out of the 3 games. The san diego game we were down 14 at half and they promptly gave up another 7 right out the gate after half time...

The tennesse game they picked the worst time to let a bad qb go the length of the field on them and give up the lead the offense managed to get back....before the offense gave it up again that is.

Im not exonerating the offense in all this, im merely pointing out that this team is sucking really bad right now. There's nothing i can look at and say we're ok in.....cept for Nuk...he's balling.
 
Mr teX said:
The tennesse game they picked the worst time to let a bad qb go the length of the field on them and give up the lead the offense managed to get back....before the offense gave it up again that is.
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wow you really have a knack for deflecting blame. first youre wrong, the score went as follows.
7-0/7-7/10-7/14-10/16-10/17-16 the defense gave up a td and we were down by a whopping deficit of 17-16.. smh.. 1point. is this the insurmountable deficit that the defense forced upon the offense that they "managed to get back?"

there was a stretch were the defense forced 4 straight 3 & outs, then on the 5th possession they recorded a safety, this was the 16-10 lead before they gave up a TD. (sorry ass defense right) how dare they give up a td after 5 straight possessions without even giving up a first down.. so down by 1 point, titans lead was built by a certain qb tossing a pick 6...

how can anyone objective place blame on the defense. you talk about total yards not telling the whole story when you dont even remember the whole story.. yea the defense was terrible for the first half of the chargers game. so that excuses the offense putting up 7 points?? even then the offense came back, lets not forget one td was aided by a bs call on a FG and that terrible defense helped in the comeback by pitching a shutout the rest of the way and scoring a TD to tie the game. if the offense gets a pass for only playing half the game why doesnt the defense get the same pass..

as for today, cmon now, 9 points, and you put the blame on a defense that gave up 13 points??
 
amazing80 said:
Opening with 2 fgs changed the game, if you don't put good teams away early with touchdowns, you will lose. Our redzone play calling is still pathetic.
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Do we know what the first option was on the play. How do we know MS just didn't check down. I agree if the play was run as GK called then pathetic play calling and that well could be because GK plays not to lose especially early. I have also thought GK may be very limited as to what he can call in red zone because of MS ability. Matt has a very slow release and in the red zone things need to happen fast.
Whatever the reason this team is not good right now.
The Ravens changed OC just during the season maybe we need something to jump start our offense.
 
I am slowly starting to turn into a Colts fan...

I really like what they are doing up there and really tired of the same ol thing here...

When the defense knows EXACTLY what you are going to run on certain downs, Suggs knowing that Kubiak was going to run a draw play on 3rd and 15 down, it is beyond maddening....
 
BullNation4Life said:
I am slowly starting to turn into a Colts fan...

I really like what they are doing up there and really tired of the same ol thing here...

When the defense knows EXACTLY what you are going to run on certain downs, Suggs knowing that Kubiak was going to run a draw play on 3rd and 15 down, it is beyond maddening....
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Whats maddening is people basing an argument using a 3rd and 15 example
 
TexanBacker93 said:
It's week 3. The Texans are 2-1 and at least tied for the division lead. A year ago we were 3-0. We went on to have our best regular season record ever. What did that mean? We lost in the divisional round.

The Broncos were 1-2 after the 3rd week last year. They ended the year 13-3 and had the #1 seed. They also lost in the divisonal round.

The Ravens struggled after the first month of the season. They lost by 30 on the road in week 6 (I fail to recall who against, though). They barely made it into the playoffs. They must have been one and done. I'm sure their fans were calling for people to be fired and thought they'd go 0-fer the rest of the season, too. They lost at home to Denver. Badly. They beat them on the road in the playoffs. They beat New England at home in the regular season on a questionable call and then beat them again on the road in the playoffs.

It's a long season. It doesn't matter what happens here. It doesn't matter who wins now. As long as we are playing in January we can win it all. Flacco looked a lot like Schaub for much of last year until January hit. He doesn't have the same skills as Flacco, but he can still get hot and sling it.

We don't have to have home field advantage. It means nothing (unless you have to go to Seattle). Get to the dance and get hot.

If it were only that easy.
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Flacco has never played like Matt Schaub. Flacco has the deep ball other qb's can run. Schaub has no special intangible in his game that gives you any hope. He's totally dependent on the system and that system has to run perfect for you to see Matt Schaub play at his best... that's simply not going to happen and it is stupid on the texans part to expect it to. They need to stop doing things the boneheaded way and accept Schaub for what he is then bench him.
 
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