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This is an 8-8 or worse Texan team

TexansSeminole

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This is not a knee-jerk reaction.

Our RT is terrible and we have no replacement for him. When Duane Brown doesn't play, our LT is terrible. Our QB is below average and has no natural ability to make something out of nothing, which is required with poor tackle play. Our pass defense is going to get exposed by good passing teams.

We'll be lucky if we go .500. We are extremely lucky to be 2-0 and not 0-2 given the way we've played thus far. There is no indication that this team will be getting better as the season progresses, actually quite the contrary as injuries happen.
 
Nah. I'm as down on Schaub as anyone, but he's above average and the team is better than 8-8.
 
stupid thread and its even more stupid that you prefaced youre stupid thought with, this is not a knee jerk reaction :kubepalm:
 
I guess you guys aren't watching the same team I am. This team is not good at all. We can stop the run and we can run the ball. That's all we got. It's not a knee jerk reaction because we are 10 quarters into the season.
 
TexansSeminole said:
This is not a knee-jerk reaction.

Our RT is terrible and we have no replacement for him. When Duane Brown doesn't play, our LT is terrible. Our QB is below average and has no natural ability to make something out of nothing, which is required with poor tackle play. Our pass defense is going to get exposed by good passing teams.

We'll we lucky if we go .500. We are extremely lucky to be 2-0 and not 0-2 given the way we've played thus far. There is no indication that this team will be getting better as the season progresses, actually quite the contrary as injuries happen.
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Yeah, because posts declaring the season over when a team is 2-0 15 minutes after a pick six are NEVER knee-jerk reactions.

Mike
 
T-Sizzle

NGata

Those guys are going to get theirs. Foster, Andre, & OD need to get theirs... Tate, Brown, & Myers need to get a little too.
 
I definitely think this is pre-mature to declare this team as an 8-8 team already. There are good things we have seen this season like the fact that this team has the ability to fight to come back in games and we now have a #2 WR. AJ is playing great and our RB's are looking pretty good with this competition sort of going on.

The OP definitely makes some strong points though. To act like nothing he said has any accuracy at all is simply ignoring things because you don't want them to possibly be true. We could have very easily entered this game 0-2. Glad we didn't and we got some hard fought wins, but we've got some problems that we need to fix for sure.
 
Texecutioner said:
I definitely think this is pre-mature to declare this team as an 8-8 team already. There are good things we have seen this season like the fact that this team has the ability to fight to come back in games and we now have a #2 WR. AJ is playing great and our RB's are looking pretty good with this competition sort of going on.

The OP definitely makes some strong points though. To act like nothing he said has any accuracy at all is simply ignoring things because you don't want them to possibly be true. We could have very easily entered this game 0-2. Glad we didn't and we got some hard fought wins, but we've got some problems that we need to fix for sure.
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That is a sure thing. Why hasn't he had any targets yet? It's impossible to see the whole field during the broadcast but I don't recall Nuk being targeted yet. Did I miss it? Has he been?
 
drs23 said:
That is a sure thing. Why hasn't he had any targets yet? It's impossible to see the whole field during the broadcast but I don't recall Nuk being targeted yet. Did I miss it? Has he been?
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He had one good catch earlier, but you're right he hasn't been targeted a lot. Not sure why without being able to see the full screen.
 
Baltimore isn't even very good. Their passing game isn't much to deal with, yet they've been effective without much of a running game.

We still have the NFC West, the Pats, the Broncos, and the Colts twice to deal with.
 
lol. i was worried that today was going to unfold this way. Hardly anyone was giving Baltimore any respect around here for the Ravens front 7, and the Duane Brown injury was THE WORST timing with this stretch coming up. Now its knee jerk meltdown mode for the next month.
 
It's so hard to check out, but damnit I want to.

At the moment I'm trying to decide if the next two games will be losses or embarrassing losses.
 
I'm worried about everything listed in the OP but I don't know if that means 8-8. Our OLine, Secondary and QB ARE playing poorly. After we lose the next two the schedule gets a LOT easier.
 
ATXtexanfan said:
Average qb and average hc = 8-8. Its that simple fellas. Next up sea and sf.
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Our average QB is frankly the only reason we're 2-0 right now, IMO. How about placing the blame on the unit with that looks like swiss cheese.The OL. They look like the 2003 Texans out there.
 
TexansSeminole said:
Baltimore isn't even very good. Their passing game isn't much to deal with, yet they've been effective without much of a running game.

We still have the NFC West, the Pats, the Broncos, and the Colts twice to deal with.
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Defense has only given up 13 points so far. They've been on the field all day. Offense has not scored a TD. They've given up one. And after a three and out the punt team gave one up.
 
Why do I keep seeing the words 2010 in my dreams? This is 2010 all over again. A couple of good and somewhat lucky comeback wins make everyone feel better than they should. Eventually the emperor has no clothes.

Our passing game stinks. We don't air it out until we have too. It's all underneath stuff, and that is what led to the int. I mean, he looked at the film. Those little 3-5 yard routes are the vast majority of Schaub's game until he is forced to do otherwise. So once again for the 3rd game in a row, Schaub makes one or more huge mistakes that turn the tide of the game. I've about had it with this guy.

Our pass pro is average at best, and that's with D Brown. Harris hasn't been that bad today. The RT stinks. How many times on 3rd and long can Kubiak call a draw? Sheeat. This team just goes into a shell.

Joe M's unit is still as bad as ever. Another game changing play. Those two plays were the game. Period.

D didn't play bad at all overall, but enough with the offsides. Jeesbus. Also, at key moments, they let the Ravens convert, with penalties playing a big role.

This team is staring 2-3 in the face. If the Ravens did it to us, the 49ers and Seahawks surely will.

I hate to agree with the OP, but right now this team looks very, very, average. 8 or 9 wins looks about right.
 
I have never seen a team more overrated by the media and its fans than this Texan team.

Comebacks aren't anything to hang your hat on when you have to do it week after week.

We are trailing in the fourth quarter and still throwing the ball behind the sticks.

Schaub the statue has just been sacked as I type this.

What a joke on Texan fans.

:coffee:
 
TexansSeminole said:
This is not a knee-jerk reaction.

Our RT is terrible and we have no replacement for him. When Duane Brown doesn't play, our LT is terrible. Our QB is below average and has no natural ability to make something out of nothing, which is required with poor tackle play. Our pass defense is going to get exposed by good passing teams.

We'll be lucky if we go .500. We are extremely lucky to be 2-0 and not 0-2 given the way we've played thus far. There is no indication that this team will be getting better as the season progresses, actually quite the contrary as injuries happen.
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Honestly can't disagree with you. I haven't seen us look this bad since 2010 or maybe even before.
 
I have 0 faith in Schaub to make plays.

He's just not that guy. He's thrown basically three picks that directly lead to scores in every game this season. Too many lulls in offensive production. The OLine is bad. The Running game is average. Defense is up and down. Texans could very easily be 0-3 right now.

Texans need a spark. They have yet to put together a game yet where you go, "ok...now that is a good team". They've had moments, but I'm not jazzed about our prospects.

When that guy wrote that article a while back I said I could see 8-8. But I figured 10-6 was more likely. I'll stick with that. 8-8 wouldn't shock me at all.
 
I realize they attempted to address RT with a third round pick this past off season but if they keep running Newton out there for much longer I will lose what little remaining faith I have in Kubiak.
 
This year is having a 2010 feel to it so far. The Texans MUST play better than they have so far this year if they want to beat the Seahawks, 49ers and Chiefs, to say nothing about the teams after the bye.
 
Concerned about the OL and the defensive backfield. Both are playing poorly so far.

Rest of the team seems to be ok.
 
ATXtexanfan said:
Average qb and average hc = 8-8. Its that simple fellas. Next up sea and sf.
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Except last year they were 12-4 & the year before that they were 10-6.

You win some, you lose some. Not the end of the world. A lot of you had them losing this game anyway.
 
Basically, w out Brown this team is avg at best. W out our best Olineman our avg line becomes immediately BAD. And Schaub is not able to carry this offense behind a bad line, nor w a good one, but we can still get in the playoffs w an avg O line.
 
Honestly, the most excited I was as a Texan fan was the season Yates took over. I feel like the excitement has been draining ever since that season. It wasn't because we played great football. It was because we reached our peak but I thought the future was bright.

I can't see Schaub winning a SupeR Bowl. I agree with Derrick Ward. Schaub doesn't inspire confidence. He doesn't have a spark to him. And it seems like his best games usually come when we dig ourselves in a hole against inexperienced teams. When we dig ourselves in a hole against more seasoned teams they step on our necks.

We need a new direction. This current flavor has peaked.
 
Rey said:
Honestly, the most excited I was as a Texan fan was the season Yates took over. I feel like the excitement has been draining ever since that season. It wasn't because we played great football. It was because we reached our peak but I thought the future was bright.

I can't see Schaub winning a SupeR Bowl. I agree with Derrick Ward. Schaub doesn't inspire confidence. He doesn't have a spark to him. And it seems like his best games usually come when we dig ourselves in a hole against inexperienced teams. When we dig ourselves in a hole against more seasoned teams they step on our necks.

We need a new direction. This current flavor has peaked.
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Wow this
 
cuppacoffee said:
I have never seen a team more overrated by the media and its fans than this Texan team.

Comebacks aren't anything to hang your hat on when you have to do it week after week.

We are trailing in the fourth quarter and still throwing the ball behind the sticks.

Schaub the statue has just been sacked as I type this.

What a joke on Texan fans.

:coffee:
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I have been saying that all off season we have just lost too much in free agency the past 2 off seasons. This is not the same team it was in 2011.
 
Rey said:
Defense has only given up 13 points so far. They've been on the field all day. Offense has not scored a TD. They've given up one. And after a three and out the punt team gave one up.
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All they needed to do was secure first downs and get into field goal range in order to close out the game. Baltimore did that with a below average passing attack.
 
Rey said:
Honestly, the most excited I was as a Texan fan was the season Yates took over. I feel like the excitement has been draining ever since that season. It wasn't because we played great football. It was because we reached our peak but I thought the future was bright.

I can't see Schaub winning a SupeR Bowl. I agree with Derrick Ward. Schaub doesn't inspire confidence. He doesn't have a spark to him. And it seems like his best games usually come when we dig ourselves in a hole against inexperienced teams. When we dig ourselves in a hole against more seasoned teams they step on our necks.

We need a new direction. This current flavor has peaked.
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I kind of havce the same feeling. I actually think if Schaub doesn't get hurt that year, we had our best chance to reach the SB. This team looks more like the 2010 team, but maybe for different reasons. That team couldn't stop anyone. This team has a better D, but the ST are worse and the offense is worse.
 
TexansSeminole said:
All they needed to do was secure first downs and get into field goal range in order to close out the game. Baltimore did that with a below average passing attack.
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Yes they did, but let's not act like Baltimore is the jaguars or some scrub team struggling to breathe.

Baltimore has some decent targets and Flacco can throw it around sometimes. Bottom line is the defense was on the field all day and we did nothing offensively to put pressure on the ravens. It's hard on a defense when an offense has little pressure to score points. They can be methodical. Do what they want. Pick and choose their spots.

Put more points up and all of a sudden they aren't so calm and cool. Play calls are different. The pressure to score is there.
 
Rey said:
Yes they did, but let's not act like Baltimore is the jaguars or some scrub team struggling to breathe.

Baltimore has some decent targets and Flacco can throw it around sometimes. Bottom line is the defense was on the field all day and we did nothing offensively to put pressure on the ravens. It's hard on a defense when an offense has little pressure to score points. They can be methodical. Do what they want. Pick and choose their spots.

Put more points up and all of a sudden they aren't so calm and cool. Play calls are different. The pressure to score is there.
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I don't disagree with you. My point was to highlight what is likely to happen against better teams when we play the kind of offense we are playing. The offense we saw today wasn't a fluke either, this is what we are likely to see for the majority of the season.
 
Porky said:
Why do I keep seeing the words 2010 in my dreams? This is 2010 all over again. A couple of good and somewhat lucky comeback wins make everyone feel better than they should. Eventually the emperor has no clothes.

Our passing game stinks. We don't air it out until we have too. It's all underneath stuff, and that is what led to the int. I mean, he looked at the film. Those little 3-5 yard routes are the vast majority of Schaub's game until he is forced to do otherwise. So once again for the 3rd game in a row, Schaub makes one or more huge mistakes that turn the tide of the game. I've about had it with this guy.

Our pass pro is average at best, and that's with D Brown. Harris hasn't been that bad today. The RT stinks. How many times on 3rd and long can Kubiak call a draw? Sheeat. This team just goes into a shell.

Joe M's unit is still as bad as ever. Another game changing play. Those two plays were the game. Period.

D didn't play bad at all overall, but enough with the offsides. Jeesbus. Also, at key moments, they let the Ravens convert, with penalties playing a big role.

This team is staring 2-3 in the face. If the Ravens did it to us, the 49ers and Seahawks surely will.

I hate to agree with the OP, but right now this team looks very, very, average. 8 or 9 wins looks about right.
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I agree with the bolded. The start to the season is the same as 2010. Two comeback wins to start the season.. The difference to me is the roles look to be reversed. The defense looks fine, not historically bad like 2010: the offense is the unit struggling. The "O" has struggled the first three games and I don't know how much better they will be the next two games against some rather good defenses in Seattle & San Francisco. I think the Texans should come out as if they were behind to start the game against Seattle. They should throw the ball downfield. They have the weapons to do so finally but still haven't done it until the games have been in jeopardy.
 
rolyat93 said:
Early front-runner for worst thread of the year?
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We've seen three extremely shaky games thus far. A prediction of .500 is not off base. Have you not seen our remaining schedule?

Explain what it is that you have seen that makes you think that the prediction is so terrible, please.
 
rolyat93 said:
Early front-runner for worst thread of the year?
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I am about as optimistic as they come but I'm even a bit worried right now. Everything I've seen, not defensively mind you, has reminded of the 2010 season and they finished 6-10 that year I believe.
 
This time last year, the general feeling about this team was 180 degrees from where it is now. Just last week, the general feeling about the Baltimore Ravens was exactly what we are saying here.

WHYDFML

Three weeks in a row we've seen "issues" & I understand the doom & gloom being that we've seen little to make us believe we're getting better.

But I'm still optimistic. Why? Because Schaub is who he is. I don't expect him to get better, or step it up, or become something he's not. He's going to put up 4,000 or so yards (no big deal in today's NFL) & twenty some odd TDs. I'm not expecting Gary Kubiak to morph into Belichick. He's going to be who he's been. He's not going to get too "wacky" with the play calling, he's not going to get overly emotional, he's going to continue to methodically find a way to put together wins.

But I didn't see LeStar Jean out there today. That tells me Devier Posey is getting healthy. I saw 2 great catches by KeShawn Martin on 3 or 4 targets. I saw DeAndre Hopkins make some great catches. They're all pretty fast guys, including Andre. With the exception of Posey, they've all shown to be effective across the middle. Like 2009, we've got the tools to be a dynamic passing offense.

Defensively... not a lot to see there. We need to keep them off the field (& the opposing teams offense as well).

Bad game.... ugly game... but we knew that was coming. Onto next week.
 
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