Foster admits to taking money in college

[steelbtexan]

College players are always going to get paid illegaly. By paying them legaly all you are doing is changing the baseline. Not to mention the title 9 implications for paying male athletes.

The NCAA isn't perfect, but I can see why the NCAA does things the way they do. Players in the major sports would probably alreadly be getting paid if it wasn't for title 9 implications.

BTW, poor athletes do get Pell grant $$$$$ each semester. When I went to school it was around $1000 a semester. I imagine that amount has gone up. The parties were great when the guys got their Pell grant $$$$ in.

 

[infantrycak]

Would you propose only paying those already getting most things for free and not paying for others who pay all or most of their expenses when they are all bound by NCAA rules?

I think it would have to examined more comprehensively. The NCAA rules are not the same for everyone. As I have mentioned tennis players can tutor or hold camps to make money and football players cannot. The more restrictions on the athlete, the greater the justification for support of some sort.

 

[EllisUnit]

Yeah, you're right. It isn't like UT brings in 37 million from football. How many students do you think would have to attend to pay that much money? Now throw in the money from the alumni and the football program is paying for a ton of stuff.

Mike

I understand the universities are making a killing, but the football program still doesnt pay for other non athlete students to attend schol is my point.

 

[EllisUnit]

Try more than 70% graduate - Link

ok i gess i should of been more specific, a lot of college athletes dont go pro, i was talking about the superstars who do go pro and make it to the nfl.

 

[steelbtexan]

I understand the universities are making a killing, but the football program still doesnt pay for other non athlete students to attend schol is my point.

No, but the football program does pay for the swimming/soccer/tennis/most title 9 programs. Back in the day these programs either survived on their own through alumni donations or didn't exist.

There's alot of pressure on football/basketball programs to produce enough revenue to sustain these other sports. It isn't right, but it is court ordered. Liberal Supreme Court at the time this law was enacted.

 

[76Texan]

Yeah... I posted a comprehensive link on #101 on the actual graduation success of football athletes, but some people are going to take the exception as the rule.

I have personal experience with my nephews as scholarship athletes and know even more people who teach at large schools (including Ok State) who tell much different stories than the "all athletes are not real students" crowd.

Where did you get the "all athletes are not real students" from, Arlington?

 

[76Texan]

All the more reason to totally divorce college academics from big business college athletics. Go to school to learn. You want to play sports turn semi-pro. Or do like swimmers and skiiers and X-games folks and participants in other second and third tier sports do, foot the bill yourself.

Exactly.

 

[76Texan]

I would guess if that happend then the graduation rate would tank

The ethical way to do it is not to accept non-academic-qualified players to the schools.

Create a farm system for these guys; vocational schools maybe.

Give them a clearer choice, and the universities/colleges don't have to be concerned about unequal treatments of student athletes.

You are either a non-profit entity or a for-profit entity.

You need profit from the football program to create or maintain other programs?
Shame on you!
You pay a football coach millions of dollars, shame on you!
You're a profit-making machine; the end does not support the mean unless you clearly define all things.

 

[Rey]

Don't know if this has been mentioned but at the end of every year you go into your coaches office and he tells you whether or not you'll have your scholarship renewed. I've seen upper class men have their scholarships yanked. Obviously, that's devastating. These are year deals and not all colleges will be kind hearted and keep you around if you're of no use to them. Not only should guys be paid but they should be able to sell autographs and accept gifts.

There is no argument for competitive balance. 5 star recruits aren't going to holeinthewall state anyways. The schools with the best facilities and the most money are already getting the best recruits. Need to stop pretending. College football is extremely profitable. More of that money should go to the guys actually making it so.

 

[bckey]

Vitale likens Foster to a prostitute


http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/dick-vitale-calls-arian-foster-a-prostitute-on-twitter-092113?ocid=ansfox11

 

[gcates]

Vitale likens Foster to a prostitute


http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/dick-vitale-calls-arian-foster-a-prostitute-on-twitter-092113?ocid=ansfox11

Dick Vitale is an idiot.

 

[silvrhand]

So as most of you would have it.

- remove the schools from the system, which would drop the overall college education rate of people in this country?
- make them go to a farm based system, where money is all that matters.

So in essence you'd have less educated athletes and basically kill a large amount of money that funnels into the college system. This money just doesn't go to the football team it impacts all college athletics, and the schools which in turn allows for better facilities, helping student athletes with injuries, and better overall education for our young adults.

Sounds like a fabulous idea. /sarcasm

 

[infantrycak]

You are either a non-profit entity or a for-profit entity.

You need profit from the football program to create or maintain other programs?
Shame on you!
You pay a football coach millions of dollars, shame on you!
You're a profit-making machine; the end does not support the mean unless you clearly define all things.

Your bold sentence makes the remainder nonsense. Entities are judged as a whole whether they are for profit or non-profit.

They don't call them non-profit departments although those may exist in either for or non profit entities.

 

[EllisUnit]

No, but the football program does pay for the swimming/soccer/tennis/most title 9 programs. Back in the day these programs either survived on their own through alumni donations or didn't exist.

There's alot of pressure on football/basketball programs to produce enough revenue to sustain these other sports. It isn't right, but it is court ordered. Liberal Supreme Court at the time this law was enacted.

yes but these football athletes still dont deserve extra on the side IMO.

 

[steelbtexan]

Don't know if this has been mentioned but at the end of every year you go into your coaches office and he tells you whether or not you'll have your scholarship renewed. I've seen upper class men have their scholarships yanked. Obviously, that's devastating. These are year deals and not all colleges will be kind hearted and keep you around if you're of no use to them. Not only should guys be paid but they should be able to sell autographs and accept gifts.

There is no argument for competitive balance. 5 star recruits aren't going to holeinthewall state anyways. The schools with the best facilities and the most money are already getting the best recruits. Need to stop pretending. College football is extremely profitable. More of that money should go to the guys actually making it so.

I'm all for athletes making $$$$ off autographis. It's theirs and they should profit off of them. I'm not for changing the baseline. The reason football has to make all of this $$$$ for all of the court ordered non funded sports.

 

[infantrycak]

I'm all for athletes making $$$$ off autographis. It's theirs and they should profit off of them. I'm not for changing the baseline. The reason football has to make all of this $$$$ for all of the court ordered non funded sports.

No they do not. They are not subject to Title IX at all if they do not take federal funds.

 

[steelbtexan]

No they do not. They are not subject to Title IX at all if they do not take federal funds.

Most colleges must take federal funds then. Because I've talked to people who should know and they told me Football/Basketball support all of the 2nd tier sports.

 

[76Texan]

Your bold sentence makes the remainder nonsense. Entities are judged as a whole whether they are for profit or non-profit.

They don't call them non-profit departments although those may exist in either for or non profit entities.

I can't say I understand what you're trying to say.
Would you rephrase it please?

 

[infantrycak]

Most colleges must take federal funds then. Because I've talked to people who should know and they told me Football/Basketball support all of the 2nd tier sports.

I don't doubt they do even where they are not required to do so. It would be a severe competitive disadvantage to only offer football and basketball or I think the schools believe that.

I can't say I understand what you're trying to say.
Would you rephrase it please?

You were talking about the system being wrong if football supported something else. Each department doesn't have to be revenue neutral only the school as a whole.

 

[Texecutioner]

Arian Foster shows me more and more of his true colors. The guy has quickly become one of the biggest attention whores in the league now. Whether he is pouting on the sidelines or trying to get his name out in the news about himself breaking rules, or whatever else it may be on his twitter to garner attention to himself. Maybe his twitter feed has been slow lately, I'm not really sure. The guy clearly doesn't care about the fact that this could potentially effect his school and the present players. He doesn't care about the distraction it can cause the Texans either. Either way, I've seen and heard enough. I hate hearing whiny athletes like this talk like they had it bad in college.

Seriously, you people that actually buy into this crap from college athletes are extremely naive and gullible. These guys are treated like kings on campus. They are rock stars, and get all sorts of perks. They always have. Hell, even the fat O lineman are catching some of the hottest girls on campus. The majority of college students want to know them and hang out with them. They get a ton of extra help to pass their courses and they get a free education. Arian needed food and clothes?? Lol! Arian needs a muzzle. That is what he "currently" needs.

 

[Texecutioner]

Another thing that kills me is all of you people who haven't paid any attention to the last 20 years of moronic skilled athletes that have blown their wad and self destructed with the money they have made as adults. So yeah, lets pay these kids in college!!! Lol! Really?? You guys think that VY who is completely broke now wouldn't have totally ruined his college career has he been paid a lot of money while at Texas? Oh yeah, Maurice Clarrett wouldn't have bought a ton of guns with all of that cash. Yeah, Albert Haynesworth and Chris Johnson would have really stayed motivated had they gotten a lot of money in college wouldn't they.

http://www.munknee.com/78-of-nfl-players-go-bankrupt-within-5-years/


Yeah, lets forget about the fact that half of these players in college football come from backgrounds in the hood that believe in "ball till you fall" and waste their money on bling and materialistic things. But you guys want to trust these guys when they're only 18??? Man, the idea of paying college football players is dumber then anything our US government has ever tried. I continue to state that Americans are the dumbest people in the world. We have so much history and data and unique ways of gathering information to draw smart conclusions, yet we continually ruin things. Boxing, the NBA, and NCAA basketball have all been ruined by either "guaranteed contracts, corruption involving money with the commissioners, and to much money being offered to young college basketball players that leave the sport way to early." No reason to pay any attention to how increased revenue to the athletes has ruined that though. College football will be different.

 

[gcates]

I just think Arian is a good RB and has done well for this team, so what he did in college however many years ago doesn't bother me one bit. It's not a felony, he didn't kill or sexually assault anyone. He took some cash while in college...big freakin deal.

 

[Texecutioner]

I just think Arian is a good RB and has done well for this team, so what he did in college however many years ago doesn't bother me one bit. It's not a felony, he didn't kill or sexually assault anyone. He took some cash while in college...big freakin deal.

I wonder if you would feel differently if you didn't root for the Texans and you just rooted for his Alma Matter and they ended up getting sanctioned over this? Obviously Foster doesn't really care if something like that were to potentially happen. He would like his story to be talked about in the media.

 

[gcates]

But I don't care about the Vols, so I won't get my underpants all bunched up about it.

It's really a non-issue that as relates to the Houston Texans, though some would like to make it one.

 

[Texecutioner]

But I don't care about the Vols, so I won't get my underpants all bunched up about it.

It's really a non-issue that as relates to the Houston Texans, though some would like to make it one.

So basically you could care less what any Houston Texan athlete does or says as long as it doesn't effect his current team? Is there any line that you draw at all or is anything okay as long as they play for "your" favorite team? Glad to know that people stand for something here.

This is like saying well that guy that was drunk last night at a .20 and drove his car home from the bar was just fine as long as he didn't hit me or my family members. He hit someone else, but it wasn't one of us so since we weren't effected I don't see it as an issue.

Sure my example was a little extreme involving drinking and driving, but it's the same concept that I could apply to tons of things. It's a selfish mentality that suggests you have no problem with anything until you or your personal interests are effected by it. Until that happens, life can go on as is, but when it happens to me...............

 

[BullBlitz]

This is nothing new. College athletes have been accepting benefits for years.

Just one of the reasons why I have little interest in major college athletics.

 

[Texian]

Again just what I observed at Texas Tech, full ride scholarhips had free rooms on campus, 3 meals a day in their own personal dining hall, free tuition, free tutors available, free shoes, clothes, backpacks, and other apparel. Not to mention nutritionists, doctors, conditioning coaches, etc.

Your observation is on the money. Do I believe Foster took money from Tenn? YES! For food OR rent? NO!

 

[StarStruck]

Your observation is on the money. Do I believe Foster took money from Tenn? YES! For food OR rent? NO!

That sums up what I think. The story about needing food and clothes sound good, but an average student poor or not will have food or money for food. Depends on the student, but usually mama, auntie, church and neighbors are going to see to it that their local hero will get the care package. I think this would especially be the case if that's all the family has to contribute toward the person's education. Also, a good athlete will need only to show up at many establishments and somehow that check will be taken care of. Now, if clothing meant a new pair of Jordan's every two months, then perhaps a little hush money helped, but that's a want and not a need.

However, in Arian's statement he mentioned choosing between paying rent or buy food. That sounds like he wasn't on full scholarship, and if true, why would it be an issue if someone gave him money to supplement his living expenses.

If I had been in the same situation, I would have thought it best to not share the information, but if on the other hand I thought the world needed to know, I would simply say I did accept the money because it was available and I took it, save the hard luck reason.

Arian is an excellent running back and exciting to watch, but he is beginning to remind me more of Tiki Barber. By that JMHO no one can deny the talent, but the personality is a little unsettling.

 

[Hooston Texan]

I used to be of the school of thought that student/athletes taking money was a horrible thing. I no longer believe that.

Many of the problems that we face as a country is due to the combination of ineptitude and gross corruption in our higher education system. A whole generation is drowning in (non-dischargeable) student loan debt for degrees that are absolutely worthless to them. This is because colleges have gone on a spending/hiring binge so they can raise their tuitions to capture the student loan subsidies that the government hands out. (I realize this paragraph belongs on a different board, but it leads into the rest of my thought on the subject. Now, to tie that thought in to the topic: )

The reason there is no meaningful playoff system is the corruption inherent in the structure of major college football. None of the petty lords want to give up their little fiefdoms. And it is no accident that a monster like Sandusky operated out of a college campus. Oversight and accountability are foreign concepts to academics.

Colleges make vast sums off the free labor of athletes. Much of that money funds the gory excess noted above. In the meantime, they want to limit what athletes make so that more colleges, theoretically, can profit off the college football money machine. The UVA's and Kentucky's of the world don't want every major athlete going to Ohio State and LSU, so they have these rules to try to eliminate the athlete's ability to make money. Yes, the kids can get a degree, but most of those who actually manage to earn degrees end up doing nothing substantive with them.

I don't begrudge a kid from a poor background (or, any background, for that matter) doing what he can to make a buck. It's against the rules set up by an exploitative monopoly, but I don't consider it a morally wrong act. If someone wants to give them money, I don't have a problem with them taking it.

Colleges and college sports are moral cesspools. I wish I could quit watching, but I no longer care if a kid is trying to get something for himself.

 

[TheMatrix31]

It's Saturday.

We play the Ravens tomorrow.

Who cares.

 

[Texecutioner]

The arguments that I continue to hear about paying college athletes are so silly to me that I can just as easily make the argument that the college students that attend the school should get some sort of revenue sharing and that they should get paid as well. After all, they are the ones that pay for the tickets to games and make all of this happen right? They are the ones that pay for their tuitions as well and help the school make money. Why can't they get a piece of the pie? Hell, they actually have to pay for classes and actually "go to class" so these professors can get their salaries. Without them there is no football team or revenue to build these giant programs.

Why not pay the alums that dedicate their time, efforts, and income to the school and the program every year? They are the ones that have helped and been loyal to these programs as well. Why not allow them to get some of the revenue too?

I could make a ton of arguments for why so and so need to be paid. However, college football and all college sports has been successful and has grown all these years under the current system where they aren't paid and where they get a free education and college experience. But I guess a free education isn't worth a damn these days to the self entitled.

 

[Thorn]

I don't give a rats ass he took money in college, I just want him to start running like he used to. We got the Ravens, Seahawks, 49ers, and the surprising 3-0 Chiefs in four of our next five games. That's a tough schedule for any team.

 

[silentassassin]

However, college football and all college sports has been successful and has grown all these years under the current system where they aren't paid and where they get a free education and college experience. But I guess a free education isn't worth a damn these days to the self entitled.

I'm not going to defend the current model, but it blows my mind that this point is glossed over in every argument for paying the players.

 

[Texecutioner]

I'm not going to defend the current model, but it blows my mind that this point is glossed over in every argument for paying the players.

Yeah, it's not like an education isn't worth at least $25,000 dollars to a major University when it is all said and done. And I'm low balling that figure pretty hard.

Shoot, if I had a degree right now I can promise you that I'd be making a lot more money and have a lot more opportunities. It's my fault that I don't have one, but I didn't have parents who would pay for an entire semester again and again for several years. People forget what a degree can and a big name as an ex college athlete can do for you in this country. For example, how many companies do you think would probably hire Vince YOung in Austin or in HOuston if VY gets a diploma from Texas? I can guarantee you that it probably would take him that long to get a nice cozy desk job somewhere that would pay him at least $75K which is nice money in any city in Texas. People tend to forget that kind of thing and how valuable that is for some ex athlete who has no job experience doing anything else.

 

[DocBar]

Yeah, it's not like an education isn't worth at least $25,000 dollars to a major University when it is all said and done. And I'm low balling that figure pretty hard.

Shoot, if I had a degree right now I can promise you that I'd be making a lot more money and have a lot more opportunities. It's my fault that I don't have one, but I didn't have parents who would pay for an entire semester again and again for several years. People forget what a degree can and a big name as an ex college athlete can do for you in this country. For example, how many companies do you think would probably hire Vince YOung in Austin or in HOuston if VY gets a diploma from Texas? I can guarantee you that it probably would take him that long to get a nice cozy desk job somewhere that would pay him at least $75K which is nice money in any city in Texas. People tend to forget that kind of thing and how valuable that is for some ex athlete who has no job experience doing anything else.

That's simply not true. A BSEE will earn you around $40K starting out. With 10 or so years experience, you'll get to $60K. BSEE's are very much in demand right now. It's one of the highest paid fields right out of college.

There are degreed engineers looking for work at McDonalds right now. Do not underestimate the job market. It is very poor right now. VY's name recognition might get him $75K a year but his degree would get him maybe half that.

 

[MEGA SWATT]

Try paying the rent with your philosophy class.

Good one

 

[Lambert]

Yeah, it's not like an education isn't worth at least $25,000 dollars to a major University when it is all said and done. And I'm low balling that figure pretty hard.

Shoot, if I had a degree right now I can promise you that I'd be making a lot more money and have a lot more opportunities. It's my fault that I don't have one, but I didn't have parents who would pay for an entire semester again and again for several years. People forget what a degree can and a big name as an ex college athlete can do for you in this country. For example, how many companies do you think would probably hire Vince YOung in Austin or in HOuston if VY gets a diploma from Texas? I can guarantee you that it probably would take him that long to get a nice cozy desk job somewhere that would pay him at least $75K which is nice money in any city in Texas. People tend to forget that kind of thing and how valuable that is for some ex athlete who has no job experience doing anything else.

First an apology: I haven't read all the posts. I have seen many threads like this one where all the "loyal" fans are vehemently against paying student athletes more money. Few realize that football players often do not have enough $ to eat---much less ask a girl out. I had a son who was on a D1 "full scholarship". He received $960 a month because he choose to live off campus. If he had choosen to live in a dorm, he would have received much less because the dorm rent would have been subtracted from the $960. Nevertheless, his rental cost him about $450 a month (dorm rents were about $600). That left him with about $500 to live on for the month---$125 a week. On top of the other school expenses that were covered, he had to pay for parking at $500 a semester, food (what do think it costs a week to feed a 250 Lb football player?) school supplies like computers, clothing, auto insurance, gas, utility bills, car repairs, cell phone, and off the field health insurance. He often was too broke to have a night out.

I'm not saying that we should pay these kids millions, but we should pay them enough so they can live comfortably on what they are given. I'm not talking new cars. I'm talking old cars. I'm talking enough money so that on top of the stress of trying to play football, and get good grades, they shouldn't have the added stress of wondering what they are going to do for food.

When I went to college, I worked my way through and graduated in 6 years. I wrestled for a couple of years, but had to give it up because I had to work----no schollies for Wrestling.

UCLA plays new Mexico State tonight. NMST is gonna get a whooping. But NMST is going to make nearly a million dollars. The kids will get beat up pretty badly, but the coach makes a cool $500,000. The 90,000+ fans iin the Rose bowl will have a great time, tailgating, drinking beer, wearing the colors, eating BBQ and watching the game. The vendors will all clean up. The players will get a soggy sandwich and a Gatoraide. Fair?

 

[steelbtexan]

First an apology: I haven't read all the posts. I have seen many threads like this one where all the "loyal" fans are vehemently against paying student athletes more money. Few realize that football players often do not have enough $ to eat---much less ask a girl out. I had a son who was on a D1 "full scholarship". He received $960 a month because he choose to live off campus. If he had choosen to live in a dorm, he would have received much less because the dorm rent would have been subtracted from the $960. Nevertheless, his rental cost him about $450 a month (dorm rents were about $600). That left him with about $500 to live in for the month---$125 a week. On top of the other school expenses that were covered, he had to pay for parking at $500 a semester, food (what do think it costs a week to feed a 250 Lb football player?) school supplies like computers, clothing, auto insurance, gas, utility bills, car repairs, cell phone, and off the field health insurance. He often was too broke to have a night out.

I'm not saying that we should pay these kids millions, but we should pay them enough so they can live comfortably on what they are given. I'm not talking new cars. I'm talking old cars. I'm talking enough money so that on top of the stress of trying to play football, and get good grades, they shouldn't have the added stress of wondering what they are going to do for food.

When I went to college, I worked my way through and graduated in 6 years. I wrestled for a couple of years, but had to give it up because I had to work----no schollies for Wrestling.

UCLA plays new Mexico State tonight. NMST is gonna get a whooping. But the school is going to make nearly a million dollars. The kids will get beat up pretty badly, but the coach makes a cool $500,000. The fans will have a great time, tailgating, drinking beer, wearing the colors, eating BBQ and watching the game. The vendors will all clean up. The players will get a soggy sandwich and a coke. Fair?

What about the Pell grant $$$$ that most athletes receive in addition to what you listed above.

 

[gcates]

So basically you could care less what any Houston Texan athlete does or says as long as it doesn't effect his current team? Is there any line that you draw at all or is anything okay as long as they play for "your" favorite team? Glad to know that people stand for something here.

This is like saying well that guy that was drunk last night at a .20 and drove his car home from the bar was just fine as long as he didn't hit me or my family members. He hit someone else, but it wasn't one of us so since we weren't effected I don't see it as an issue.

Sure my example was a little extreme involving drinking and driving, but it's the same concept that I could apply to tons of things. It's a selfish mentality that suggests you have no problem with anything until you or your personal interests are effected by it. Until that happens, life can go on as is, but when it happens to me...............

Don't sit there and try to act you know anything about me. He took money in college, big deal. He didn't kill anyone, he didn't rape anyone...hell, it's not even a misdemeanor. The line draws itself.

Choose to be oversensitive if you want, but I have better things to do with my time.

 

[Texn4life]

I find this as such a big non issue just because I've known a TON of guys that received extra benefits in college. Money, free meals, all kinds of stuff. Arian was either brave enough or stupid enough to admit it here depending on what side of the fence you stand on.

I see nothing wrong with kids being bought a meal, and don't see a problem with a kid getting 100 dollars in an envelope from a stranger so he can have a good weekend. When it extends to kids receiving cars and those kinds of luxuries then I can see where its a problem. The argument would be then well where do you draw the line, and thats where I understand the argument on both sides.

 

[Lambert]

What about the Pell grant $$$$ that most athletes receive in addition to what you listed above.

Good question. A Pell grant is worth about $5,500 a year, another $450 a month. Undoubtedly, a Pell grant helps, but "most athletes" do not receive a Pell Grant. On a team of about 100 kids maybe 25 receive Pell Grants. Some parents have the $ to help the players with extra cash each month, some don't. The fact that they need to send money (if they have it) to the players belies the "Full scholarship" misnomer. A Pell grant is dependent on how much the "Family" makes. A family might make ok money, and therefore be ineligible for a Pell grant, but can not send their player money because they have other kids in college, have health problems, parents with health problems, etc. Also it's up to the parents or the player to fill out the FASFA form to see if they are eligible, and some famlies/kids are not up to this.

You have to realize that Pell grants are not just for football players or even other athletes, but for any student whose family falls into a low adjusted income bracket. So this is not just money for football players, and really isn't a lot to start with.

Another thing, the $960 a month mentioned above is just for when school is in session. Christmas break, Spring Break, Thanksgiving, they get "short checks". However, the landlord doesn't want to hear "short check" when the rent is due, nor do restaurants or supermarkets understand this concept very well. If a kid chooses to live in a dorm, he has to move out during the breaks. Where does he go? Buy a ticket back home? Sleep in his car?

A couple of years ago, the NCAA approved the paying of summer scholarships to students attending summer school. This was good for the football programs cause the kids could practice in the summer. If schools didn't take advantage of this, they would not be competitive at the beginning of the schedule with the schools that did. Some schools only pay for one summer school session, not two. Again, what happens to the budgets of the players that have no scholarship money for one summer school session? Do they move out and go home, try to find another place in a month when they come back? What happens to their bits of furniture? Kids used to be able to work during the summer to save a little $ for the next season. Now with only a month or so off, jobs are harder to find and the money, of course, is less.

Yeah, the kids might get a degree out of all this, but in today's market what is that degree worth?

This is going to change. The system is faulted and needs to be addressed. Changes are in the wind.

 

[thunderkyss]

That's simply not true. A BSEE will earn you around $40K starting out. With 10 or so years experience, you'll get to $60K. BSEE's are very much in demand right now. It's one of the highest paid fields right out of college.

There are degreed engineers looking for work at McDonalds right now. Do not underestimate the job market. It is very poor right now. VY's name recognition might get him $75K a year but his degree would get him maybe half that.

Are those local numbers?

I'm pretty sure from Mississippi to Mexico a double E can be in the mid 80s within 5 years. Probably starting in the 70s.

I also know a GM at a local retail store knocking down $90K with a Management degree. & when I say local, I mean the Golden Triangle.

 

[Mr teX]

Good question. A Pell grant is worth about $5,500 a year, another $450 a month. Undoubtedly, a Pell grant helps, but "most athletes" do not receive a Pell Grant. On a team of about 100 kids maybe 25 receive Pell Grants. Some parents have the $ to help the players with extra cash each month, some don't. The fact that they need to send money (if they have it) to the players belies the "Full scholarship" misnomer. A Pell grant is dependent on how much the "Family" makes. A family might make ok money, and therefore be ineligible for a Pell grant, but can not send their player money because they have other kids in college, have health problems, parents with health problems, etc. Also it's up to the parents or the player to fill out the FASFA form to see if they are eligible, and some famlies/kids are not up to this.

You have to realize that Pell grants are not just for football players or even other athletes, but for any student whose family falls into a low adjusted income bracket. So this is not just money for football players, and really isn't a lot to start with.

Another thing, the $960 a month mentioned above is just for when school is in session. Christmas break, Spring Break, Thanksgiving, they get "short checks". However, the landlord doesn't want to hear "short check" when the rent is due, nor do restaurants or supermarkets understand this concept very well. If a kid chooses to live in a dorm, he has to move out during the breaks. Where does he go? Buy a ticket back home? Sleep in his car?

A couple of years ago, the NCAA approved the paying of summer scholarships to students attending summer school. This was good for the football programs cause the kids could practice in the summer. If schools didn't take advantage of this, they would not be competitive at the beginning of the schedule with the schools that did. Some schools only pay for one summer school session, not two. Again, what happens to the budgets of the players that have no scholarship money for one summer school session? Do they move out and go home, try to find another place in a month when they come back? What happens to their bits of furniture? Kids used to be able to work during the summer to save a little $ for the next season. Now with only a month or so off, jobs are harder to find and the money, of course, is less.

Yeah, the kids might get a degree out of all this, but in today's market what is that degree worth?

This is going to change. The system is faulted and needs to be addressed. Changes are in the wind.

See, this is why i have a problem with paying athletes.

Yes, i know it's a great opportunity to be able to play for that big state university with great Traditioni in front of 75,000 - 100, 000 people. But if you've got to go more than 1 state or 6 hours away drive time to play for them and you know your family won't be able to help you pay for seen and unforseen expenses...you probably need to rule those schools out when deciding where to attend.

All your post really does is highlight how important it is for these kids to stay as close as possible to whatever kind of support systems they have. When school is out, go home and stay with your parents....eat and get shelter for free instead of having to worry about how you're gonna feed & clothe yourself when your scholarship / pell grant money runs out and possibly putting youself in a bad situation by accepting monetary gifts. Most of these guys have that option....i'm sure arian had that option....yet he chose to hop 10 states away from san diego to tennessee & put himself into a situation he wasnt really prepared for.

The other thing that people arent considering when deciding to pay these guys is how much more the door gets opened to bribing these athletes to throw games...
See the case of art schlicter.

 

[Texn4life]

See, this is why i have a problem with paying athletes.

Yes, i know it's a great opportunity to be able to play for that big state university with great Traditioni in front of 75,000 - 100, 000 people. But if you've got to go more than 1 state or 6 hours away drive time to play for them and you know your family won't be able to help you pay for seen and unforseen expenses...you probably need to rule those schools out when deciding where to attend.

All your post really does is highlight how important it is for these kids to stay as close as possible to whatever kind of support systems they have. When school is out, go home and stay with your parents....eat and get shelter for free instead of having to worry about how you're gonna feed & clothe yourself when your scholarship / pell grant money runs out and possibly putting youself in a bad situation by accepting monetary gifts. Most of these guys have that option....i'm sure arian had that option....yet he chose to hop 10 states away from san diego to tennessee & put himself into a situation he wasnt really prepared for.

The other thing that people arent considering when deciding to pay these guysall how much more the door gets opened to bribing these athletes to throw games...
See the case of art schlicter.

Sorry, I understand what you're saying but a lot of these guys need to get the hell out of dodge and stay there when they leave home for school. Back home is likely the last place they need to be especially on an extended break. Most of the kids he's talking about aren't really getting the true support they need at home anyway, probably come from down trodden neighborhoods, and need to be in a positive environment. Going back home to mom in Fifth Ward probably isn't the best idea for a kid even as much as he may love Mom.

I remember I would sometimes bring up to three friends with me in my little ass Honda Civic during breaks because they hated going back home that much. Most of them don't have crap to go back to. By the time I left school they'd be damn near arguing with each other over who would ride home with me because they knew my parents would give them hot food to eat every night there.

Edit: In regard to the Pell Grant, yes a lot of them were getting it, and a lot of them were sending money back home from it. Some people just come from really crappy situations and its hard to say whats going on in their lives. I don't pretend to have the answers, but I know its just not as easy as some are trying to make it.

 

[Lambert]

"Edit: In regard to the Pell Grant, yes a lot of them were getting it, and a lot of them were sending money back home from it. Some people just come from really crappy situations and its hard to say whats going on in their lives. I don't pretend to have the answers, but I know its just not as easy as some are trying to make it."

And that's a good point. Some players send the whole Pell grant check back to help the folks at home. I know there is at least one current Texan player who did that.

If you are truely a fan and love the game and the players, and are not just going to the games as a spectator would to the Colosium in Rome, you gotta be in favor of making a "Full scholarship" at least a Full scholarship.

 

[Lambert]

See, this is why i have a problem with paying athletes.

Yes, i know it's a great opportunity to be able to play for that big state university with great Traditioni in front of 75,000 - 100, 000 people. But if you've got to go more than 1 state or 6 hours away drive time to play for them and you know your family won't be able to help you pay for seen and unforseen expenses...you probably need to rule those schools out when deciding where to attend.

All your post really does is highlight how important it is for these kids to stay as close as possible to whatever kind of support systems they have. When school is out, go home and stay with your parents....eat and get shelter for free instead of having to worry about how you're gonna feed & clothe yourself when your scholarship / pell grant money runs out and possibly putting youself in a bad situation by accepting monetary gifts. Most of these guys have that option....i'm sure arian had that option....yet he chose to hop 10 states away from san diego to tennessee & put himself into a situation he wasnt really prepared for.

The other thing that people arent considering when deciding to pay these guys is how much more the door gets opened to bribing these athletes to throw games...
See the case of art schlicter.

OK, so let's have a NCAA rule that doesn't let kids accept a schollie from a school that is more than 100 miles from his home town. You think the big football powers would like this?

See: APU

 

[silvrhand]

That's simply not true. A BSEE will earn you around $40K starting out. With 10 or so years experience, you'll get to $60K. BSEE's are very much in demand right now. It's one of the highest paid fields right out of college.

There are degreed engineers looking for work at McDonalds right now. Do not underestimate the job market. It is very poor right now. VY's name recognition might get him $75K a year but his degree would get him maybe half that.

http://www.indeed.com/salary/Electrical-Engineer.html

Not sure where you are getting your numbers from but they sound quite a bit off.

 

[DocBar]

http://www.indeed.com/salary/Electrical-Engineer.html

Not sure where you are getting your numbers from but they sound quite a bit off.

I was getting my numbers from job offers I get and see. It depends a lot on what part of the country the job is in, also.

Those look very high to me. They might be in line with an engineering manager or PE with 15+ yrs experience. Or maybe a position in LA, SF, NYC, etc. Those numbers could also include all the benefits, which would raise the salary number by ~15% for most companies I've dealt with.

Oddly enough, that site is quite a bit low for my line of work. LINK
LINK

 

[Mr teX]

OK, so let's have a NCAA rule that doesn't let kids accept a schollie from a school that is more than 100 miles from his home town. You think the big football powers would like this?

See: APU

Double post..

 

[Mr teX]

"Edit: In regard to the Pell Grant, yes a lot of them were getting it, and a lot of them were sending money back home from it. Some people just come from really crappy situations and its hard to say whats going on in their lives. I don't pretend to have the answers, but I know its just not as easy as some are trying to make it."

And that's a good point. Some players send the whole Pell grant check back to help the folks at home. I know there is at least one current Texan player who did that.

If you are truely a fan and love the game and the players, and are not just going to the games as a spectator would to the Colosium in Rome, you gotta be in favor of making a "Full scholarship" at least a Full scholarship.

No way should they be able to have that kind of access to their money to be able to do stuff like this. They at least need to put restrictions on how much access athletes have to that money. but Again, the athletes put themselves in that situation.


Apart from that, Who cares what the big football powers would like...the rule would be in place to protect the kid not the university. It would also force them to get their **** together.

For instance, if your're gonna recruit kids from the hood who come from bad situations, you as the university better make damn sure you monitor them carefully and create a support system around them so that they're not putting themselves in bad situations and keeping themselves out of trouble.