Keep Texans Talk Google Ad Free!
Venmo Tip Jar | Paypal Tip Jar
Thanks for your support! 🍺😎👍

Foster admits to taking money in college

ObsiWan said:
How many "regular students" do you see 70,000 - 100,000 paying customers filing into enormous stadiums so they can watch those students study history or economics or engineering or law?

How many of those "regular students" have ESPN or Fox Sports or the major networks camping out in their labs or classrooms or study halls so they can broadcast closeups and slo-mo's of them writing term papers or conducting lab experiments...??

How many of those "regular students" have whole segments of this very msg board dedicated to watching their every performance or reviewing their every test score so they can predict which corporate firm will "draft them"?

Not special??

I'm guessing you forgot the sarcasm smiley didn't you?
Click to expand...


I dont give a damn who these kids are, our if they fill seats at a stadium. Tell me which is helpful to society. A Doctor, physcologist, Vet, Teacher or a Damn football player ???

And by the way these kids are only "special" because people like us make them appear "special".
 
EllisUnit said:
They arent special
Click to expand...

Not picking on you, Ellis, but I see/hear this argument all the time. I always tell people to think about that in reverse. If they aren't special, then why the hell are they getting an education just because they can play a game really well? Maybe I play tiddlywinks really well, but no one offered me a free education.

Mr teX said:
While this is true, as the saying goes, a bird in the hand is worth 2 in the bush & these kids don't have the foresight to see that.
Click to expand...

I don't have a problem with the acknowledgement that an education may well be worth far more than whatever compensation they receive immediately, philosophy degrees notwithstanding. But forcing people to take pay in the commodity of your choice is not something I can get with. As I said upthread, this was the genesis of currency in civilization - convertible commodities.

If the kids want to skip college, I'm OK with making more room for scientists, mathematicians, etc.
 
EllisUnit said:
I dont give a damn who these kids are, our if they fill seats at a stadium. Tell me which is helpful to society. A Doctor, physcologist, Vet, Teacher or a Damn football player ???

And by the way these kids are only "special" because people like us make them appear "special".
Click to expand...

How much money do those kids out on the field bring into the university that produces the doctors, lawyers vets and teachers?

More than that though, if you're 18-20ish and someone offers you money on the side who can say they honestly wouldn't take it? How many people really believe that any star player isn't taking money? They all are.

Mike
 
Texanmike02 said:
How much money do those kids out on the field bring into the university that produces the doctors, lawyers vets and teachers?

More than that though, if you're 18-20ish and someone offers you money on the side who can say they honestly wouldn't take it? How many people really believe that any star player isn't taking money? They all are.

Mike
Click to expand...

So none of these kids pay to go to school, the athletes pay for everyones schooling haha
 
Texanmike02 said:
How much money do those kids out on the field bring into the university that produces the doctors, lawyers vets and teachers?

More than that though, if you're 18-20ish and someone offers you money on the side who can say they honestly wouldn't take it? How many people really believe that any star player isn't taking money? They all are.

Mike
Click to expand...

Not saying i would turn it down either, but i dont agree that these kids need special money hand outs because they play NCAA football like some people are trying to claim.
 
Tennessee vice chancellor and director of athletics Dave Hart in a statement in response to Texans RB Arian Foster saying he received money while playing for the Volunteers: "We can't speak to something that allegedly happened a long time ago. What we can say is that the values and priorities or our athletics department and our football program are aligned, and the constant education of our student-athletes regarding the rules and the consequences of their choices is of the highest priority."
Click to expand...
http://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1rodgl9
 
The ncaa is a joke. I hope that today all ncaa athletes have enough food in there fridge for crying out loud.
 
Sigh.. Arian.. You would think he would be more "psychological" about this and move on. I'm tired of him whining about how hard he had, how he was disrespected.. Good god get over it and move on.

Players receive full ride degrees, room, board, food, books, etc. That adds up to a ton of money, depending on the school that can be upwards of 150k+ for schools.

Get over it move on, and deal with it. I find it hard to believe NCAA athletes at a large SEC school would starve on the weekend. Maybe he partied and drank all his money up in beer? Now that I would have and did do.
 
thunderkyss said:
Might as well separate the NCAAF from the colleges all together. Turn it into a "minor-league" system that it is & pay these athletes.
Click to expand...

Agree, most college athletes dont finish school anyways. Sure you have a select few who are smart enough to do so, but most dont.
 
funny-chemical-solutions-overreaction-joke.jpg
 
EllisUnit said:
So none of these kids pay to go to school, the athletes pay for everyones schooling haha
Click to expand...

Yeah, you're right. It isn't like UT brings in 37 million from football. How many students do you think would have to attend to pay that much money? Now throw in the money from the alumni and the football program is paying for a ton of stuff.

Mike
 
thunderkyss said:
Might as well separate the NCAAF from the colleges all together. Turn it into a "minor-league" system that it is & pay these athletes.
Click to expand...

From a most ethical standpoint you are correct. The current system benefits the NCAA and NFL directly and those student -athletes who value education (no matter when they understand the idea of value). the people most destroyed by this system are those who are not good students or just don't value formal education. At least in baseball (smaller extent) basketball, there are options to pursue for those guys ( or for those guys who are so good that they don't need to stay in college as an academic fraud 3/4 years).
 
I was listening to a RC Slocum interview on 1560 AM The Game, and during the conversation I heard Texas A&M received $740 million dollars in recent donations and pledges during the past year? It's hard to pinpoint how much exactly the football program is responsible for earning the University, but I'm sure it was a hefty percentage. You don't just increase by $300 million out of the blue. Not even the University of Texas in Austin has raised $740 million in one year.

That's a crazy amount for any University to haul in. The least they can do is pay student athletes a couple hundred bucks to buy some groceries for the week? I can't blame Johnny Manziel if he made a lot of profit signing his autographs on various items. Texas A&M sure isn't going to apologize for marketing him as a cash cow.

But that being said, it's understandable why Arian Foster accepted the money in college. He really needed it. I think Johnny Manziel comes from a rich family so his case is a little different.
 
I thought this was appropriate here:

Showtime100 said:
Just stumbled across this article......

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/ncaaf-dr-saturday/savannah-state-60-point-underdog-third-time-less-143627016--ncaaf.html
Savannah State is a 60-point underdog for the third time in less than two seasons

If you need an example of a college football team willing to get mauled for a significant payday, look no further than Savannah State.

The Tigers are 60 point underdogs to Miami on Saturday, the third time they've been on the wrong side of a 60 point (or more) point spread since 2012.

Last season, Savannah State opened against Oklahoma State and the line on that game was a whopping 65.5 points before kickoff. Oklahoma State covered easily, 84-0. So the following week, Savannah State was even a bigger underdog against Florida State.

That line opened at 70 points and went down to a meager 65 by kickoff. But Savannah State covered this time, only losing to Florida State 55-0. The line against Miami Saturday opened at 55, but quickly shot up to 60 points.

Will Miami score at least 60 points to cover? They haven't scored over 60 since 2002. Your best play may be with Savannah State.

For both games last season, Savannah State took home $860,000. It'll make $375,000 against Miami. That's over $1 million for three likely blowouts. Given how hard it can be to balance an athletic budget at a school in the FCS, you can't blame Savannah State for taking the large paydays when they present themselves, can you?
Click to expand...


Just for grins I'm taking Miami -60. I'm not really betting due to my horrible luck when money is on the table, but just for grins.
Click to expand...
 
infantrycak said:
Try more than 70% graduate - Link
Click to expand...

Yeah... I posted a comprehensive link on #101 on the actual graduation success of football athletes, but some people are going to take the exception as the rule.

I have personal experience with my nephews as scholarship athletes and know even more people who teach at large schools (including Ok State) who tell much different stories than the "all athletes are not real students" crowd.
 
CretorFrigg said:
Back to my previous point, what makes the athlete's struggle any different than any other student's? I mentioned personally knowing students that have had to work and go to school in order to pay for the necessities. They worked very hard, if not harder, than most college athletes I know. The athletes already have many perks. Free food, housing, etc.
Click to expand...

Wasn't that a wart on DeVier Posey? He worked and "made too much money" and, well you know the rest. Where's the line? Seems very blurry to me.
 
cdollaz said:
So Arian is a rat.
Click to expand...

^^^^
This

Foster doesn't realize if he wasn't able to carry the rock nobody would give a crap what this Pseudo intellects thoughts on life are.

Football players giving thoughts of wisdom/political/or any other thing in life = LOL
 
EllisUnit said:
I dont give a damn who these kids are, our if they fill seats at a stadium. Tell me which is helpful to society. A Doctor, physcologist, Vet, Teacher or a Damn football player ???

And by the way these kids are only "special" because people like us make them appear "special".
Click to expand...

Which do you watch on Sundays?

My Doctor, lawyer and Indian Chief buddies are at my house watching the game played by those "Damn football player(s)"! :kitten:


:D
 
If this BS becomes a distraction, I don't like it. If it doesn't, I don't care. I don't particularly agree that a good college football player's education, room and board equate to the vast amount of revenue generated by their play. The biggest issue is what happens to a player who suffers a career ending injury in college. What happens to his full ride and the rest of his life, when he's a cripple, can't work for a living, and lost his only route to an education by being injured?

Since the Olympics accept professional athletes now, what's the big deal about amateur status?

Regardless, there are countless points of view. I earned my education through night courses and distance learning. I held down a full time job, often working 70-84 hours a week. Some have had it harder. My brother worked for almost 8 years getting his degree and he doesn't even work in the field it's in.
 
drs23 said:
Which do you watch on Sundays?

My Doctor, lawyer and Indian Chief buddies are at my house watching the game played by those "Damn football player(s)"! :kitten:


:D
Click to expand...
I could've gotten a degree in Indian Chief? Is that a BA or a BS? Regardless, the headdress would go great with my shirts on Hawaiian shirt Fridays. :dancer:
 
steelbtexan said:
^^^^
This

Foster doesn't realize if he wasn't able to carry the rock nobody would give a crap what this Pseudo intellects thoughts on life are.

Football players giving thoughts of wisdom/political/or any other thing in life = LOL
Click to expand...

Yeah because the thoughts of your average person are so profound.

Damn athletes should learn that despite having 1000 microphones a year stuck in their face, nobody wants to hear what they have to say.

And lord knows we wouldn't want to get information from people with actual knowledge - "yeah, supersize the fries for me, but only if you can tell me whether college football players get paid." Mind boggling temerity for Arian to have answered his phone and accepted an interview about college football.
 
infantrycak said:
Yeah because the thoughts of your average person are so profound.

Damn athletes should learn that despite having 1000 microphones a year stuck in their face, nobody wants to hear what they have to say.

And lord knows we wouldn't want to get information from people with actual knowledge - "yeah, supersize the fries for me, but only if you can tell me whether college football players get paid." Mind boggling temerity for Arian to have answered his phone and accepted an interview about college football.
Click to expand...

So do you care about AF's opinions on anything other than his current profession? (Playing football)

I mean do you really care if AF got paid in college? Or do you care more if he picks up the blitz on 3rd down against Baltimore on Sunday?

Crap like this is the REASON AF went undrafted. Lets see, in the last week AF has complained about his role with the Texans. Despite the fact that Gary is trying to prolong his career by taking some of the load off of AF, due to the 350 carries AF had to shoulder last yr. The Texans are 2-0 and AF is complaining. (A real team guy) Brilliant!!!!

Also in the last week he basically ratted out his college. Could this be to divert attention from his playing time comments? If AF was half as smart as he thinks he is, then he would know when to keep his trap shut.
 
This does not change my view of Foster one bit, and anyone who would do a complete 180 on the guy over this is ridiculous. The NCAA makes millions off these kids, so to sit there and act like taking any money is "classless" or somehow morally wrong is just stupid.
 
thunderkyss said:
Might as well separate the NCAAF from the colleges all together. Turn it into a "minor-league" system that it is & pay these athletes.
Click to expand...
I'd be all over something like this.
Semi-pro leagues like they have in baseball or developmental leagues like the NBA has would work just fine.

Not all of these kids are college material anyway (see Vince Young) why are they taking up a classroom spot from somebody that will actually study and benefit from the education?

Because those guys bring big bucks into the universities that's why. Good luck getting the university chancellors (and the NCAA) to give up all that cash.
 
steelbtexan said:
So do you care about AF's opinions on anything other than his current profession? (Playing football)

I mean do you really care if AF got paid in college? Or do you care more if he picks up the blitz on 3rd down against Baltimore on Sunday?

Crap like this is the REASON AF went undrafted. Lets see, in the last week AF has complained about his role with the Texans. Despite the fact that Gary is trying to prolong his career by taking some of the load off of AF, due to the 350 carries AF had to shoulder last yr. The Texans are 2-0 and AF is complaining. (A real team guy) Brilliant!!!!

Also in the last week he basically ratted out his college. Could this be to divert attention from his playing time comments? If AF was half as smart as he thinks he is, then he would know when to keep his trap shut.
Click to expand...

Sure I think he would be an interesting guy to sit down with and have dinner and I would expect the conversation to go beyond football.

No I don't care if he got paid. I think it is systemic. Of course play is the primary concern as a fan of the team.

I thought the play time deal was overblown BS and said so at the time.

I don't consider truthfully talking about violations to be ratting out. It is the system he is talking about and the violations are real. Secret society BS is what aids corruption in any venue whether it be politics, sports, business, etc.

I don't believe "this kind of behavior" was his draft problem. Tennessee went to a RBBC system and he had injuries. I think that is what had his draft stock slip along with some work ethic questions which he has since answered.

No it does not have anything to do with his recent workload comments. He gave the interview months ago and the timing of the release was not his decision. That is just an erroneous allegation.
 
Last edited:
76Texan said:
Foster wasn't a highly sought after recruit.
He only played RB one year in HS.
One of the coaches had to lobby real hard for Fulmer to even watch Foster's tapes; he was the lowest rated RB in that RB draft class for the Vols.

The cafeteria doesn't open all the time.
Between school (he graduated), practice, training, I can see these athletes' need to have their own food at times.
Click to expand...

According to Rivals, he was ranked 22nd nationwide. They already had Gerald Riggs (ranked 2nd) there as a starter so I'm sure recruits were not too thrilled to attend Tenn. He also had offers from North Carolina, Oregon, Oregon St., and West Virginia.

You telling me he couldn't afford ramen? The staple of a college diet for most students. It's as if no other student attending college is broke or has a tough time. If colleges begin to pay athletes, you know who is going to suffer? The other 20,000+ students who pay tuition since those costs will be going up.
 
BigSteve said:
You telling me he couldn't afford ramen? The staple of a college diet for most students. It's as if no other student attending college is broke or has a tough time. If colleges begin to pay athletes, you know who is going to suffer? The other 20,000+ students who pay tuition since those costs will be going up.
Click to expand...

Now we are off into pure silliness. You don't build top athletes on Ramen.

And no tuition would not go up for the other students. Football is a profit center and the expense involved in this discussion is a drop in the bucket. There doesn't even have to be an expense - let them work or let the boosters who happily fork over millions donate funds for player support.

Somehow lost in this discussion is the fact not all players are on scholarship.
 
infantrycak said:
Sure I think he would be an interesting guy to sit down with and have dinner and I would expect the conversation to go beyond football.

No I don't care if he got paid. I think it is systemic. Of course play is the primary concern as a fan of the team.

I thought the play time deal was overblown BS and said so at the time.

I don't consider truthfully talking about violations to be ratting out. It is the system he is talking about and the violations are real. Secret society BS is what aids corruption in any venue whether it be politics, sports, business, etc.

I don't believe "this kind of behavior" was his draft problem. Tennessee went to a RBBC system and he had injuries. I think that is what had his draft stock slip along with some work ethic questions which he has since answered.

No it does not have anything to do with his recent comments. He gave the interview months ago and the timing of the release was not his decision. That is just an erroneous allegation.
Click to expand...

Agrree to disagree

1. I wouldn't waste my time
2. Me either
3. AF is being selfih (Pattern?) No big deal to you. A root of the Texans problems of not being able to get over the hump to me.
4. You have problems at college and with the Coaches, then talk about getting paid while you were there after you get paid in the pros
5. He still has maturity problems. IMHO The difference is he just got paid big $$$$.
6. Not disagreeing with you, just want to know where you got this info?
 
steelbtexan said:
6. Not disagreeing with you, just want to know where you got this info?
Click to expand...

The article in the OP says he was contacted in February to be one of the folks interviewed for a documentary called Schooled: the Price of College Sports. Someone provided another article that the interview took place shortly thereafter. The documentary is about to come out. The folks making the documentary released the clips which seems like a pretty transparent effort to get press for the documentary prior to its release.

Edit - there were 27 people interviewed for the documentary.
 
steelbtexan said:
6. Not disagreeing with you, just want to know where you got this info?
Click to expand...

I posted this earlier in this thread with a source link for reference...
the interview with Foster was filmed sometime this past winter...

Add Arian Foster's voice to the growing chorus who believe that NCAA athletes -- football and basketball players, in particular -- should be compensated for their labor. Last February, the Houston Texans running back was approached by the producers for the documentary Schooled: The Price of College Sports. ​

Click to expand...
It was SI.com and/or ESPN who decided to release these clips at this time.

Arian didn't call a press conference about this subject. He was asked what he knew by the producers of the documentary. These quotes are all from the documentary and were filmed during the off-season.
Click to expand...
So again, the timing of this "news" isn't on Foster, it's on the sports media. It was SI who decided now was the time to "break" this story a good EIGHT MONTHS after the interview.

Why now? Why not after the season? Why not during that time between OTAs and preseason when nothing much is happening? Why not after the documentary airs in mid-October?
You'll have to ask SI.com to get that answer.
 
gcates said:
This does not change my view of Foster one bit, and anyone who would do a complete 180 on the guy over this is ridiculous. The NCAA makes millions off these kids, so to sit there and act like taking any money is "classless" or somehow morally wrong is just stupid.
Click to expand...

Folks been at Arian's throat since that vegan ****. 2-3 page thread if Watt or Dre said it.
 
I'm not weeding through 8 pages of this so sorry if this has been covered.

These guys make so much money for the NCAA and their schools that it's absolutely ridiculous. I don't buy the "They get a free education and room and board" argument either.

Amateur sports is a scam and a way for the rich to make as much off the poor athlete as they can, while they can. I'm not one for conspiracies or for "The man keeping us down", but what goes on in college sports is absolutely disgusting.

A college degree? Seriously? Those kids are there to put asses in seats and sell merchandise. Most of these kids come from poor backgrounds and are being used by the system. One of the reasons I love watching Johnny Football is because of the absolute zero effs he gives about the establishment. There is nothing they can hold over him. What is the NCAA going to do to him? Suspend him? What is A&M going to do? Get rid of him? Nope. He makes way too much for A&M and he doesn't need the money to turn pro because he already has cash to burn. He's the perfect foil to the NCAA and I love it.
 
ObsiWan said:
I'd be all over something like this.
Semi-pro leagues like they have in baseball or developmental leagues like the NBA has would work just fine.

Not all of these kids are college material anyway (see Vince Young) why are they taking up a classroom spot from somebody that will actually study and benefit from the education?

Because those guys bring big bucks into the universities that's why. Good luck getting the university chancellors (and the NCAA) to give up all that cash.
Click to expand...

In this "minor league" system, the teams can still be associated with the colleges & the schools can still get revenue from the program.... but the players would be employees. They can choose to go to school, or they can choose not to.
 
I think they should just pay them some reasonable amount that gets them by, but does not make them "highly" paid. Pay them all the same amount also, I think. They should still not be allowed to sell autographs (or anything else) or take money from anyone, except the pre-approved amount they get paid from the school, NCAA, or whoever is the official payer.

I don't think paying these guys $20,000 a year is going to spoil them.
 
HJam72 said:
I think they should just pay them some reasonable amount that gets them by, but does not make them "highly" paid. Pay them all the same amount also, I think. They should still not be allowed to sell autographs (or anything else) or take money from anyone, except the pre-approved amount they get paid from the school, NCAA, or whoever is the official payer.

I don't think paying these guys $20,000 a year is going to spoil them.
Click to expand...



In the 11-12 school year there were over 450k NCAA student athelets so at 20k each that's over 9 billion so let's figure out where that money is coming from on top of all the other benefits they get
 
2012Champs said:
In the 11-12 school year there were over 450k NCAA student athelets so at 20k each that's over 9 billion so let's figure out where that money is coming from on top of all the other benefits they get
Click to expand...

Man, could I turn this into a no spin debate about equal pay for women.
 
2012Champs said:
In the 11-12 school year there were over 450k NCAA student athelets so at 20k each that's over 9 billion so let's figure out where that money is coming from on top of all the other benefits they get
Click to expand...
All the more reason to totally divorce college academics from big business college athletics. Go to school to learn. You want to play sports turn semi-pro. Or do like swimmers and skiiers and X-games folks and participants in other second and third tier sports do, foot the bill yourself.
 
ObsiWan said:
All the more reason to totally divorce college academics from big business college athletics. Go to school to learn. You want to play sports turn semi-pro. Or do like swimmers and skiiers and X-games folks and participants in other second and third tier sports do, foot the bill yourself.
Click to expand...



I would guess if that happend then the graduation rate would tank
 
2012Champs said:
In the 11-12 school year there were over 450k NCAA student athelets so at 20k each that's over 9 billion so let's figure out where that money is coming from on top of all the other benefits they get
Click to expand...

Are you saying that is the number of scholarship athletes?
 
infantrycak said:
Are you saying that is the number of scholarship athletes?
Click to expand...


I said NCAA student athelets. I'm not sure there is accurate data on full or partial ride participants. Would you propose only paying those already getting most things for free and not paying for others who pay all or most of their expenses when they are all bound by NCAA rules?


Edit I did find a numer of 140k which would be close to 3 billion a year
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top