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What is status of D Brown

Tania Ganguli ‏@taniaganguli
It was Duane Brown's ankle that was hurt in the game. Still played on it. Same one he had surgery on June 3. Will have it further evaluated.
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dream_team said:
The status of his injury? Or his play? I'd like to know why his play has regressed so far this season.
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Brown has an injured ankle and he came back n and played very well.

Brown isn't the only LT to have a rough game against Freeney. Don't panic over one poor game from him.
 
Ankle injuries can at times not immediately demonstrate significant performance deficiency, especially if immediately wrapped. However, within 48 hours when swelling has been given a time to develop, the physical effects can change and present dramatically. Let me remind you that Brown was already listed with an "ankle" on the injury report, making it somewhat more concerning. At this point, an MRI will probably be performed tomorrow to make a definitive decision on the presence or absence of additional damage. We should know more after that......maybe.
 
Without our great left tackle we would have to start a more mobile QB. Somebody like the one who's 3rd on the depth chart.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
Ankle injuries can at times not immediately demonstrate significant performance deficiency, especially if immediately wrapped. However, within 48 hours when swelling has been given a time to develop, the physical effects can change and present dramatically. Let me remind you that Brown was already listed with an "ankle" on the injury report, making it somewhat more concerning. At this point, an MRI will probably be performed tomorrow to make a definitive decision on the presence or absence of additional damage. We should know more after that......maybe.
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The play that the injury occurred on didn't seem awful. He was rolled up by the LG but it didn't seem to really catch his leg caught in the turf.
 
DocBar said:
The play that the injury occurred on didn't seem awful. He was rolled up by the LG but it didn't seem to really catch his leg caught in the turf.
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It doesn't take much to turn a simple ankle sprain to high ankle sprain...........just a little twist while your cleats catch in the turf. Let's hope that is not the case.
 
Seegara said:
Without our great left tackle we would have to start a more mobile QB. Somebody like the one who's 3rd on the depth chart.
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i dont know, the 3 plays that harris filled in for him he did a great job. clean pocket. Plus Brown has been getting man handeled lately. I heard he dropped some weight in the off season but lord 5 pounds shouldnt make that big of a difference.
 
Seegara said:
Without our great left tackle we would have to start a more mobile QB. Somebody like the one who's 3rd on the depth chart.
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OK, but don't you think TJ has as much mobility and would also be as effective in boots as Keenum ?
 
So turf toe to go along with dialated sphincter due to opposing defenders lodging their feet and/or hands deep in there.
 
CretorFrigg said:
Don't those take like 4+ weeks to heal??
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All depends on how severe.

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Typically a player with a grade 1 sprain may finish the game or practice and report pain in the MTP (metatarsal phalangeal) joint (2nd big toe joint), but may not recall the exact play during which the injury occurred. Diagnosis is usually supported by mild to moderate tenderness upon palpation of the plantar aspect of the MTP joint and pain with passive terminal dorsiflexion of the joint. Weight bearing is usually tolerable and swelling minimal.

Treatment of turf toe in football is dependent on the grade and severity of the hyperextension injury. The successful nonoperative treatment of turf toe injuries is well documented. Athletes with grade 1 tendon injuries often miss little or no playing time. These athletes are later treated with nonsteroidal anti-inflammatory drugs (NSAIDs) and rest, ice, compression, and elevation (RICE). Immobilization is rarely necessary. Athletes can often return to play with a combination of “turf toe taping,” shoe wear modification, or application of a more rigid insole (so that the big toe can't bend upwards further tear the undersurface tendon.

A player with a grade 2 turf toe injury presents with swelling and pain during weight bearing and often guard against passive dorsiflexion. They can many times be shot up, taped, given an unyielding insole, and returned to finish the game. The typical football player with a grade 2 turf toe injury may or may not be placed in a boot for just a couple of days, then treated with the same regimen as for grade1 (except longer) and will miss one to two weeks of competition but may have persistent symptoms during games or practice upon returning to play.

Since in a grade 2 injury the player will definitely know when it happened, I suspect that Brown sustained this type of injury. But they may try to have him "rub some dirt on it" and shoot him up and try to treat him as a grade 1. I hope this is not the case and he has only a grade 1. Even with a grade 1, they need to give him at least a couple of days of rest from practice. Of course, we'll see.

I would rule out grade 3 (complete tear) in Brown, as this is an excruciatingly painful injury that you cannot be shot up and return. This injury typically takes 4-6 weeks to heal....if it heals at all. If it doesn't, surgery is necessary, leading to a good 3-4 month rehab.
 
Bad weekend for left tackles. Duane, Okung, and Clady all getting hurt. There's even talk that Clady could miss the rest of the season. That would be a huge loss for the Broncos.
 
Uncle Rico said:
So turf toe to go along with dialated sphincter due to opposing defenders lodging their feet and/or hands deep in there.
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There are two types of cynicism. One type is the result of years of life experience, and the other is what snotty kids rely on to feel smart.

Guess which kind annoys the **** out of me.

Congratulations. You are the first person to ever earn a spot on my ignore list.
 
I heard D. Brown on the radio this morning talking about how much pain he was in during the game. He indicated that his ANKLE was in a great deal of pain and but for the tape job the trainers did, he probably wouldn't have been able to out there.

Is anyone else starting to get worried about this? We can lose a lot of players and still potentially make a deep playoff, but Brown is irreplaceable.
 
House of Pain said:
I heard D. Brown on the radio this morning talking about how much pain he was in during the game. He indicated that his ANKLE was in a great deal of pain and but for the tape job the trainers did, he probably wouldn't have been able to out there.

Is anyone else starting to get worried about this? We can lose a lot of players and still potentially make a deep playoff, but Brown is irreplaceable.
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It actually makes sense. I laid out how he may have come back into the game after an ankle. If Kubiak got it right, and he did have a turf toe...........he suffered both a turf toe and an ankle injury aggravation, unfortunately most probably high ankle, during the game.

CloakNNNdagger said:
Ankle injuries can at times not immediately demonstrate significant performance deficiency, especially if immediately wrapped. However, within 48 hours when swelling has been given a time to develop, the physical effects can change and present dramatically. Let me remind you that Brown was already listed with an "ankle" on the injury report, making it somewhat more concerning. At this point, an MRI will probably be performed tomorrow to make a definitive decision on the presence or absence of additional damage. We should know more after that......maybe.
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DocBar said:
The play that the injury occurred on didn't seem awful. He was rolled up by the LG but it didn't seem to really catch his leg caught in the turf.
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CloakNNNdagger said:
It doesn't take much to turn a simple ankle sprain to high ankle sprain...........just a little twist while your cleats catch in the turf. Let's hope that is not the case.
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Brisco_County said:
There are two types of cynicism. One type is the result of years of life experience, and the other is what snotty kids rely on to feel smart.

Guess which kind annoys the **** out of me.

Congratulations. You are the first person to ever earn a spot on my ignore list.
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Good Lord man, have a thicker skin than that. Am I overly stating how bad Duane Brown has played? Of Course. Thanks for assuming that a 40 year old man is a 'snotty nosed kid' ... kinda refreshing, at least you didn't call me "Sir" ... wait, I'm on your ignore list now, shucks. You'll never know how I feel. <insert sad face here>
 
Part of my previous TURF TOE post:

CloakNNNdagger said:
A player with a grade 2 turf toe injury presents with swelling and pain during weight bearing and often guard against passive dorsiflexion. They can many times be shot up, taped, given an unyielding insole, and returned to finish the game. The typical football player with a grade 2 turf toe injury may or may not be placed in a boot for just a couple of days, then treated with the same regimen as for grade1 (except longer) and will miss one to two weeks of competition but may have persistent symptoms during games or practice upon returning to play.

Since in a grade 2 injury the player will definitely know when it happened, I suspect that Brown sustained this type of injury. But they may try to have him "rub some dirt on it" and shoot him up and try to treat him as a grade 1. I hope this is not the case and he has only a grade 1. Even with a grade 1, they need to give him at least a couple of days of rest from practice. Of course, we'll see.

I would rule out grade 3 (complete tear) in Brown, as this is an excruciatingly painful injury that you cannot be shot up and return. This injury typically takes 4-6 weeks to heal....if it heals at all. If it doesn't, surgery is necessary, leading to a good 3-4 month rehab.
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From a Dave Zangaro article published this evening:

Duane Brown’s status is uncertain as the Texans head into their Week 3 game against the Ravens. He’s suffering from turf toe.

Brown is wearing a walking boot on his right foot and will for a day or two. He isn't sure if he'll practice this week.

"That's what it looks like right now," Brown said on CSN's SportsTalk Live about being a game-time decision. "We have practice tomorrow, Thursday and Friday. We'll just see, man. I really can't tell you how it's gonna work out. I'd love to be out there at Baltimore this weekend. But I really don't know right now."

Brown said turf toe is an injury he needs to be careful to not re-injure.

"I need to be smart with it," Brown said after his television appearance. "I'm not trying to rush back but I want to get back as soon as possible."

Brown played in 78 of 82 snaps on Sunday. After left guard Wade Smith rolled into his right foot, Brown missed just four snaps. He had his foot taped and returned for the rest of the game. He said when it first happened, his ankle hurt but that pain eventually subsided. He said his adrenaline helped him get through the game.

"Doing pretty good," Brown said on STL. "Had a bit of a scare. Had someone fall on me. Injured my right big toe. It's a pretty bad case of turf toe. Just taking it one day at at time, see how it heals by the end of the week."
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If the Texans and Brown are not "smart" in bringing him back, he may soon find himself dealing with an extension of his tear, possibly to grade 3.
 
Status = if they dont give him 2-4 weeks off this could become another Deion Sanders situation.
 
"pretty bad case of turf toe" doesn't sound good at all...


http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/4852/duane-brown

Texans LT Duane Brown revealed that he injured his right big toe in Sunday's overtime win over the Titans and may miss Week 3 at Baltimore.
"Injured my right big toe," Brown said. "It's a pretty bad case of turf toe. Just taking it one day at a time, see how it heals by the end of the week." Brown added that it "looks like" he'll be a game-time decision for Sunday's tilt with the Ravens. Brown graded out as Pro Football Focus' No. 2 left tackle last season. His loss would be a huge one. If Brown sits out, Ryan Harris will fill in. Terrell Suggs plays the right edge, so Harris would be in for a long day. Sep 17 - 8:14 PM
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I never thought I'd be saying this, but it might be a good idea for him to sit out. He hasn't been himself this season and a healthy Harris might be more effective til Brown gets better.
 
With all the confunsion on Brown's exact injury, TexansTalk sent out the ever intrepid Dr. CND to Reliant facilities to examine him...

After a thorough examination, we have determined Brown has injured his tankle. :kitten:
 
Wel if he's gotta miss i guess this is the best time b/c i don't think we have a snowball's chance in hell to win at least 2 of our next 3 games and the next 2 after that don't project to be walks in the park either...might as well sit him out & get him ready for the stretch run.
 
Broncos fans would HAPPILY trade injuries to our LTs right now. Just everyone be thankful it was not worse and hopefully he takes all the time he needs to come back properly. Seattles LT has same injury. Just gotta suck it up.
 
Something that bothers me a great deal is that if he had a grade 2 turf toe and at is pretty well confirmed that it is at least that, shooting him up and taping his toe, and sending him back out there again is not how you treat this injury. Taping of a toe alone does not protect an acutely injured toe from additional trauma. With this injury, you are told that not availing it to appropriate timely treatment, either immediately or later in the rehab can cause, not only prolonged recovery, but also extension of the injury leading to permanent damage of the joint.

A "bad" turf toe is nothing to fool around with. Significant disability can occur with damage to structures of the 1st MTP joint complex. A study of NFL players including ALL of those with turf toe clearly demonstrated that 50% had persistent symptoms after 5 years. Possible long term effects included failure to regain push-off strength.

Surgery is also indicated when conservative treatment fails – evidenced by persistant pain with pushing-off, cutting, or pivoting. Athletes are usually able to return to sport 3-4 months after surgery, but it may be 6-12 months before pre-injury level of function is achieved........and as we all know some players at that point never come back.

This is not meant to be a discouraging post, but I have to question why our elite LT was not removed from the game and taken for imaging studies to establish a solid diagnosis prior to exposing him to added potentially very counterproductive trauma. If he needed a boot AFTER the game by the next day....... after which he had the necessary evaluation, he certainly needed it immediately AFTER the injury. The commonly used phrase around here, "We're going to play it 'smart' with him" begs for a definition of "smart.
 
cstyle42 said:
Of course he got a new contract.
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I didn't mean it that way... I don't think Brown is a Haynesworth type player who shuts it down after getting paid... I just think he's been playing hurt and it's affected his abilities on the field.
 
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