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AJ, possible concussion.

I read that it was after a Pollard hit early in the 4th. I think AJ had the wind knocked out of him early in the game when he was slow to get up.
 
They were testing him for a concussion. I saw them do a neuro exam on the field.

That was a cheap shot by Pollard. He should have gotten flagged and I hope he gets suspended. That was a dirty play.

Hopefully AJ will get cleared, but it is a 2 week clearance if he does indeed have a concussion.
 
AJ made the catch and the other cat was bringing him down Pollard didn't have to make that hit. Hitting the one receiver in the NFL who doesn't taunt the opposition and is a credit to the NFL AND a former teammate to boot? Pollard is OFFICIALLY a piece of IS HT. He's lost any and all respect I EVER had for him. Hope an offensive lineman "accidentally" whips one of his knees.
 
Dread-Head said:
AJ made the catch and the other cat was bringing him down Pollard didn't have to make that hit. Hitting the one receiver in the NFL who doesn't taunt the opposition and is a credit to the NFL AND a former teammate to boot? Pollard is OFFICIALLY a piece of IS HT. He's lost any and all respect I EVER had for him. Hope an offensive lineman "accidentally" whips one of his knees.
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Just curious, did you cheer when he did that as a Texan? I'd bet anything you did. I didn't cheer. I think the guy has made a living as a headhunting cheap shot artist his entire career and didn't want him in Nashville.
 
toronto said:
Just curious, did you cheer when he did that as a Texan? I'd bet anything you did. I didn't cheer. I think the guy has made a living as a headhunting cheap shot artist his entire career and didn't want him in Nashville.
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I'd be lying if I say I didn't cheer when he did those things. That said I've changed my tune on all players. KJax made a pretty bad hit too. He will probably be fined. Pollard needs to be suspended though since he's a repeat offender. It seems like there are a few players responsible for most of the head hunting.
 
Dread-Head said:
AJ made the catch and the other cat was bringing him down Pollard didn't have to make that hit. Hitting the one receiver in the NFL who doesn't taunt the opposition and is a credit to the NFL AND a former teammate to boot? Pollard is OFFICIALLY a piece of IS HT. He's lost any and all respect I EVER had for him. Hope an offensive lineman "accidentally" whips one of his knees.
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I hope they come down hard on him, too.
 
Texn4life said:
In before Doc brings his doom and gloom here. C'mon Doc........ Give me some positivity.
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I haven't heard of confirmation of a concussion but in the game day thread, I stated that it appeared to me that it was probably the case.

If it is confirmed that AJ suffered a concussion when on that pass reception, he fell on his back while the back of his head bounced hard off the turf.

Of course instead of being transported by cart or at least being carefully escorted off the field to the trainer's area, he was allowed to jog into the tunnel unattended.........something that he would not even be allowed to do until well into the Concussion Protocol.

As I posted in the game day thread, it reminded me of when Ben Tate obviously had a severe ankle injury (multiply fractured as later confirmed) and he was encouraged to walk off the field unsupported when it was obvious that his foot could not support any weight. He collapsed after taking a few steps, at which time the medical staff held him up and put him on the cart.

I've gone through all the concussion implications before in the Deandre Hopkins thread. Most of it will apply to Andre, other than this will apparently be his first formally diagnosed concussion.

No real "doom and gloom." Just that I am very set back by the cavalier approach that has been taken for a potential concussion on one of our so-called most valued players (as per the team's own repeated declarations). Of course, no one should be surprised if AJ does not make it back for a couple of games.
 
Bernard Pollard basically exists to injure players who are more talented than he is. I guess everybody is here for a reason.
 
Dread-Head said:
AJ made the catch and the other cat was bringing him down Pollard didn't have to make that hit. Hitting the one receiver in the NFL who doesn't taunt the opposition and is a credit to the NFL AND a former teammate to boot? Pollard is OFFICIALLY a piece of IS HT. He's lost any and all respect I EVER had for him. Hope an offensive lineman "accidentally" whips one of his knees.
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I hate to disagree here, but it was a good hit. Pollard tried to knock the ball loose. If I remember the play correctly he did not hit him in the head and he did not hit him while he was out of bounds. Just a good hard football hit. Andre got hurt when he landed hard on the ground and hit his head.

Oh, and never wish an injury like that to any player - not even Finnegan or Incognito... AJ did the right thing to Finnegan without endangering his career...
 
Pollard did hit him in the head--Pollard's crown to the side of AJ's head when AJ was going out of bounds with another defender tackling him lower. Maybe different plays, but I do know that Pollard did hit him in the head.
 
toronto said:
Just curious, did you cheer when he did that as a Texan? I'd bet anything you did. I didn't cheer. I think the guy has made a living as a headhunting cheap shot artist his entire career and didn't want him in Nashville.
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I actually miss the good old days when you could go headhunting. The rules today are too sissy-fied.

I've never liked hitting a player that was already tackled. Make the big hit to get the tackle, but don't do it to a player on his way down.

I cheered hard for Pollard when he was with the Texans. I freely admit I'm extremely biased, also.

I think they should come down hard on him because of how the rules are written and it wasn't a big hit to make a play. It was a hit to a guy that was already tackled.
 
toronto said:
Just curious, did you cheer when he did that as a Texan? I'd bet anything you did. I didn't cheer. I think the guy has made a living as a headhunting cheap shot artist his entire career and didn't want him in Nashville.
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Honestly, I MAY have. I won't pretend I didn't, BUT those cheap shots weren't against men who had been his TEAMMATES for four damn years whom he knows personally. Call me a hypocrite right now if you like. I have no ISSUE with some guy delivering a hard hit. But this one wasn't called for. I hope when they play later this season in Tennessee someone is willing to sacrifice a game check to let Pollard know that cheap shots against the guy who helped pay your salary for 4 years warrant a response.
 
toronto said:
Just curious, did you cheer when he did that as a Texan? I'd bet anything you did. I didn't cheer. I think the guy has made a living as a headhunting cheap shot artist his entire career and didn't want him in Nashville.
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I did! Just like I did when Holliday was returning tds for us just like he just did in denver. I blame Holliday for that not the players blocking lol.
 
I also noticed on that play that Schaub's throw appeared to be short and AJ had to stop and turn his body to the ball for it to be catchable against the sideline, putting him in a very vulnerable position when hit no matter what.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
I also noticed on that play that Schaub's throw appeared to be short and AJ had to stop and turn his body to the ball for it to be catchable, putting him in a very vulnerable position when hit no matter what.
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I've said that here at work at least 6 times today...QBs are selling their WRs out with poor throws that lead them to get killed.
 
Hervoyel said:
Bernard Pollard basically exists to injure players who are more talented than he is. I guess everybody is here for a reason.
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I don't know that I really agree with this, although he does do it. Pollard stuffs the run and minimizes success of the running game, & that is his purpose. He also happens to be careless about fouling defenseless receivers & sometimes QBs.

Antonio Smith is careless about jumping offsides and/or losing his temper, but that's not why McNair pays him.
 
LikeMike said:
I hate to disagree here, but it was a good hit. Pollard tried to knock the ball loose. If I remember the play correctly he did not hit him in the head and he did not hit him while he was out of bounds. Just a good hard football hit. Andre got hurt when he landed hard on the ground and hit his head.
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You don't.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
I also noticed on that play that Schaub's throw appeared to be short and AJ had to stop and turn his body to the ball for it to be catchable against the sideline, putting him in a very vulnerable position when hit no matter what.
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Schaub was throwing high all day. In yet another example of how the NFL has changed, that throw was universally blasted by people before they started making all these defensive rule changes. The QB bore some responsibility for hanging his receivers out to dry and giving defenders a free shot at their ribs. Now, defenders are almost completely disallowed from hitting a WR until he's made the catch, landed, and made a football move. I say almost because occasionally the refs let hits like today's slide.
 
eriadoc said:
Schaub was throwing high all day. In yet another example of how the NFL has changed, that throw was universally blasted by people before they started making all these defensive rule changes. The QB bore some responsibility for hanging his receivers out to dry and giving defenders a free shot at their ribs. Now, defenders are almost completely disallowed from hitting a WR until he's made the catch, landed, and made a football move. I say almost because occasionally the refs let hits like today's slide.
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Maybe teams or players are willing to risk the high throw to try and draw a penalty? Kinda like throwing into tight man to man hoping for the PI call.
 
So AJ hurt his head by hitting the turf too hard with it when he landed?

I always assumed the foundation of Reliant would crack before that happened.
 
eriadoc said:
You don't.
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Alright, I just rewatched it - to me it looks like Pollards shoulder hits Andre`s shoulder - maybe a little bit of the side of his helmet (though it doesn`t look like it). This is a football hit, this is not a cheapshot. Maybe it is a penalty in todays NFL (I don`t think it is and no flag was thrown) but it was simply a football hit trying to punch the ball out. KJs hit was way worse than that - and that cheap shot on Watt was way worse than that.

Andre got injured on that play, and that sucks, but it wasn`t a dirty play.
 
LikeMike said:
Alright, I just rewatched it - to me it looks like Pollards shoulder hits Andre`s shoulder - maybe a little bit of the side of his helmet (though it doesn`t look like it). This is a football hit, this is not a cheapshot. Maybe it is a penalty in todays NFL (I don`t think it is and no flag was thrown) but it was simply a football hit trying to punch the ball out. KJs hit was way worse than that - and that cheap shot on Watt was way worse than that.

Andre got injured on that play, and that sucks, but it wasn`t a dirty play.
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I agree with this. I'm not a fan of Pollard. He's got a reputation of cheap shots and injuring other players, but I thought it was a legitimate hit. There was no way Pollard could have hit Andre Johnson any other way. Someone else was already tackling Andre, and the only way Pollard could have hit him was up high.

It's just unfortunate that AJ got hurt on that play.
 
HJam72 said:
I don't know that I really agree with this, although he does do it. Pollard stuffs the run and minimizes success of the running game, & that is his purpose. He also happens to be careless about fouling defenseless receivers & sometimes QBs.

Antonio Smith is careless about jumping offsides and/or losing his temper, but that's not why McNair pays him.
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I'm not saying he does it on purpose (though I'm sure he hits as hard as he can get away with hitting while staying inside the rules) or even that it is the reason he's paid and on a roster. I'm just kind of kidding about it because it appears to be his first, best destiny.

It is his gift, it is his curse.

If the star of your team is heading for the locker room and Bernard Pollard is on the other sideline chances are he had something to do with that.
 
LikeMike said:
Alright, I just rewatched it - to me it looks like Pollards shoulder hits Andre`s shoulder - maybe a little bit of the side of his helmet (though it doesn`t look like it). This is a football hit, this is not a cheapshot. Maybe it is a penalty in todays NFL (I don`t think it is and no flag was thrown) but it was simply a football hit trying to punch the ball out. KJs hit was way worse than that - and that cheap shot on Watt was way worse than that.

Andre got injured on that play, and that sucks, but it wasn`t a dirty play.
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Go watch it again. He puts a forearm right into AJ's jaw. Now, I'm not one of the ones saying it was a cheap shot or whatever. I don't like it because it's our guy. I don't like it even more because the NFL is wussifying the game. But the new rules state very clearly that you can't hit the head of a defenseless receiver. It's been called against the Texans, so I want it called universally. Or not at all, but that's not going to happen.
 
DocBar said:
I actually miss the good old days when you could go headhunting. The rules today are too sissy-fied.

I've never liked hitting a player that was already tackled. Make the big hit to get the tackle, but don't do it to a player on his way down.

I cheered hard for Pollard when he was with the Texans. I freely admit I'm extremely biased, also.

I think they should come down hard on him because of how the rules are written and it wasn't a big hit to make a play. It was a hit to a guy that was already tackled.
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Tru dat ;)
 
eriadoc said:
Go watch it again. He puts a forearm right into AJ's jaw. Now, I'm not one of the ones saying it was a cheap shot or whatever. I don't like it because it's our guy. I don't like it even more because the NFL is wussifying the game. But the new rules state very clearly that you can't hit the head of a defenseless receiver. It's been called against the Texans, so I want it called universally. Or not at all, but that's not going to happen.
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Maybe - there is no clear camera angle for me to judge this on the NFL highlight clip. Maybe his right arm hit Andre in the jaw. I´ve only seen a "swatting"motion that seemed to try to get the ball out. So maybe it was a cheap shot, but from the two angles I get I only see a clean hard hit. By the way, I don`t know if Andre is considered a defensless receiver here.
 
LikeMike said:
By the way, I don`t know if Andre is considered a defensless receiver here.
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Willing to defer to any refs we have lurking, but judging from past calls, any receiver in the air in the act of catching the football has always been considered defenseless. We've had Texans called for hitting a defenseless receiver in the head with their helmet, shoulder, forearm, and even chest. It's ridiculous, but if those are the rules, then I want them to work the same for our guys as they have against our guys.
 
BullNation4Life said:
Benard Pollard, that POS. I was sitting in the endzone, 4th row up and saw the play. Pollard should be losing some money this week...
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If he were still a Texan everyone would be calling it the other way. Hard hitter, hard-nosed player, tough competitor....at least that used to be the perspective.
 
hradhak said:
That was a cheap shot by Pollard. He should have gotten flagged and I hope he gets suspended. That was a dirty play.
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Made absolutely no sense the ref standing right there didn't flag him for the hit to the head of a defenseless receiver, then says it's incomplete. HE WAS STANDING RIGHT THERE!!!
 
CretorFrigg said:
I agree with this. I'm not a fan of Pollard. He's got a reputation of cheap shots and injuring other players, but I thought it was a legitimate hit. There was no way Pollard could have hit Andre Johnson any other way. Someone else was already tackling Andre, and the only way Pollard could have hit him was up high.

It's just unfortunate that AJ got hurt on that play.
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The rule isn't about whether the player could have made the hit another way. It judges only the way the hit is actually made.

People really need to get this rule down - a defenseless player may not be hit in the head or neck area with the head, facemask, shoulder or forearm.

The flag on KJax was correct and one should have been thrown on this play as well.
 
infantrycak said:
The rule isn't about whether the player could have made the hit another way. It judges only the way the hit is actually made.

People really need to get this rule down - a defenseless player may not be hit in the head or neck area with the head, facemask, shoulder or forearm.

The flag on KJax was correct and one should have been thrown on this play as well.
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Like I said, maybe his right arm hit Andre`s chin - I couldn`t see it from the 2 angles of the highlight clip. But Pollards hit was primarily his shoulder to Andres shoulder. That is legal. If he did some **** with his right arm, then yes, there should?ve been a flag.

Defenseless? Well he did catch the ball and had a foot on the ground and was bracing for impact. I am not sure if that is still a defenseless receiver.

Like I said, maybe it should`ve been a flag with the new rules - but let`s take the homer glasses of. It was not a dirty play and if that was KJ, Keo or Manning we wouldn`t even have that conversation. It was a football play on the edge of the rules.
 
BullBlitz said:
If he were still a Texan everyone would be calling it the other way. Hard hitter, hard-nosed player, tough competitor....at least that used to be the perspective.
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If he were still a Texan, i'd probably stay out of the conversation. Since he isn't, I'm saying we should have got that call...

It worked out for us, they called it a completion. I don't care if Pollard gets fined, but I sure would have liked to have seen a flag instead of Pollard running his mouth.
 
LikeMike said:
Defenseless? Well he did catch the ball and had a foot on the ground and was bracing for impact. I am not sure if that is still a defenseless receiver..
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Here is the definition:

A receiver attempting to catch a pass; or who has completed a catch and has not had time to protect himself or has not clearly become a runner. If the receiver/runner is capable of avoiding or warding off the impending contact of an opponent, he is no longer a defenseless player;
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Hervoyel said:
So AJ hurt his head by hitting the turf too hard with it when he landed?

I always assumed the foundation of Reliant would crack before that happened.
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Agreed.

Amazing though he was still able to make the catch after being concussed.



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thunderkyss said:
If he were still a Texan, i'd probably stay out of the conversation. Since he isn't, I'm saying we should have got that call...

It worked out for us, they called it a completion. I don't care if Pollard gets fined, but I sure would have liked to have seen a flag instead of Pollard running his mouth.
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Exactly. The opinion of many people is based on the uniform that the player happens to be wearing.
 
Mr teX said:
Cant get mad at pollard...thats what he does...he did it here & we were all cheering....
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How right you are. Little bit of Texans' hypocrisy is showing thru here I'd say.
Local fans loved BP when he was kicking butt and taking names while wearing a Texans uni, so just accept him for the hard-hitting safety he is, OK ?
 
Mr teX said:
Cant get mad at pollard...thats what he does...he did it here & we were all cheering....
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I am not mad at Pollard but a flag should have been thrown.

What you and others are overlooking with this when he was with us v. now argument is the rule has changed.
 
infantrycak said:
I am not mad at Pollard but a flag should have been thrown.

What you and others are overlooking with this when he was with us v. now argument is the rule has changed.
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I don't think that has been overlooked. It has actually been discussed.
 
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