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76Texan

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The OL and TE measurements are in.

Man, some of these TEs are just big and long.
I haven't watched them all yet, but Fauria and Toilolo are definitely sleepers.
They will probably climb up the boards soon.
 
Barkley is unimpressive in interview to me. I have big concerns about his shoulder after the way he answered those questions. (Too much CourtTV)

I wouldn't touch him.
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Funny, there's an O-Lineman with a 30" arm length.
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QB Mike Glennon is 6'7".
 
I actually think it's best to trade away our first rounder for future draft choice; draft a receiver in the second or take a flyer with a guy like Marcus Davis later on. There are 3 guys in the next draft that I think highly of: Marquise Lee USC, Sammy Watkins Clemson, and the big dude from Rutgers that I forgot the name (he's at least 6'5 and is pretty fast and quick for that size.)

That is unless we don't have to sell out the farm to get Patterson or Allen.
 
~24% of all Combine participants this year are from the SEC.

Terron Armstead 6'5" 306 lbs ran an unofficial 4.65 40 yard dash --- fastest ever for an O-Lineman.

How fast is 4.65???

2012 -- Juron Criner, Jeff Fuller, Darius Hanks, Jerrell Jackson, Gerell Robinson all ran in the 4.6s
... and they're all Wide Receivers!
 
Cooper & Fisher look so darn good out of this first group.

Fluker not so much -- have to go to tape.
 
We have too many weaknesses to put off until next year. I am ok with trade down from #27 into high second.
 
76Texan said:
I actually think it's best to trade away our first rounder for future draft choice
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No one trades a 1st for just a future 1st. That makes zero sense. What does happen is that a team will trade their 1st for a current 2nd and a future 1st. Or trade a current 2nd outright for a future 1st. I don't think the Texans will do either, but you see trades like this pretty often.
 
beerlover said:
Texans will pick up one of these athletic OL.
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I really wonder how they feel about Newt as the long-term answer at RT ?
If they have reservations, I think we could actually see them using their top pick for a Lane Johnson IF he was still on their Board at 27 ?
 
Playoffs said:
Disagree. This is one of the deepest drafts in years at many positions. I'd be stocking up on players.



Yep, it's a deep in the top & middle rounds class.
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Lucky said:
No one trades a 1st for just a future 1st. That makes zero sense. What does happen is that a team will trade their 1st for a current 2nd and a future 1st. Or trade a current 2nd outright for a future 1st. I don't think the Texans will do either, but you see trades like this pretty often.
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It's because that this draft is deep from the 2nd round on that I think it makes sense to trade our first. If we can get a 2nd and a future first, I'm all for it.

That way we can package our two firsts next year to move up to get a replacement for AJ; otherwise, we will never in a position to get a marquis player.
 
There are a ton of Oline guys running sub 5 second 40's. This is definitely a good group of prospects, even in the mid to late rounds.
 
Lucky said:
No one trades a 1st for just a future 1st. That makes zero sense. What does happen is that a team will trade their 1st for a current 2nd and a future 1st. Or trade a current 2nd outright for a future 1st. I don't think the Texans will do either, but you see trades like this pretty often.
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A favorite Belichick maneuver.
 
Playoffs said:
~24% of all Combine participants this year are from the SEC.

Terron Armstead 6'5" 306 lbs ran an unofficial 4.65 40 yard dash --- fastest ever for an O-Lineman.

How fast is 4.65???

2012 -- Juron Criner, Jeff Fuller, Darius Hanks, Jerrell Jackson, Gerell Robinson all ran in the 4.6s
... and they're all Wide Receivers!
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Looks like my dark horse is no longer in obscurity.

I think the Texans will draft an OT and let Newton be the swing tackle.
 
The TE Vance McDonald had great form through out the bench press. Looks like an intriguing prospect.

Looks like people doubt his blocking though.
 
b0ng said:
There are a ton of Oline guys running sub 5 second 40's. This is definitely a good group of prospects, even in the mid to late rounds.
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Watching 300 pounders run sub 5 second 40s is pretty impressive at one level, but practically speaking it's about the 23rd or maybe 31st most important thing that the coachs look at when it comes to evaluating a prospect to becoming an NFL offensive lineman.
 
b0ng said:
Eifert ran a 4.6
Ertz 4.72
Escobar 4.88
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Another guy to watch is the small TE from Arkansas, Chris Gragg.
He ran a 4'44 forty. He originally played WR but doesn't have the lateral agility.
With a 6th or a 7th pick, he can be used in lieu of Walter in the blocking department while can still threaten deep.

Injury is hurting his stock, so I think he could be a steal in the late rounds.

Another dark horse of mine is the OT Rogers Gaines from Tenn St.
Huge guy with long arms (6'6-330 something, nearly 37" arm).
He's a project (but did not give up any sack in his Sr. season).
I think we can afford a 6th or 7th on him.
 
76Texan said:
Another guy to watch is the small TE from Arkansas, Chris Gragg.
He ran a 4'44 forty. He originally played WR but doesn't have the lateral agility.
With a 6th or a 7th pick, he can be used in lieu of Walter in the blocking department while can still threaten deep.

Injury is hurting his stock, so I think he could be a steal in the late rounds.

Another dark horse of mine is the OT Rogers Gaines from Tenn St.
Huge guy with long arms (6'6-330 something, nearly 37" arm).
He's a project (but did not give up any sack in his Sr. season).
I think we can afford a 6th or 7th on him.
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Gragg also topped the vert leap with 37.5". He's certainly got the measureables you would want in a pass catcher.
 
b0ng said:
Eifert ran a 4.6
Ertz 4.72
Escobar 4.88
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It's a good group of TEs overall. Despite his slower time, I've really liked what I have seen of Escobar. He has the size to play inline, but the ability to flex out. He looks like a natural receiver. Excellent after the catch. His versatility gives Escobar a lot of value.
 
Lucky said:
It's a good group of TEs overall. Despite his slower time, I've really liked what I have seen of Escobar. He has the size to play inline, but the ability to flex out. He looks like a natural receiver. Excellent after the catch. His versatility gives Escobar a lot of value.
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I really like Escobar. Eifert looks great, but I like Escobar for us. Natural pass catcher -- and looks like he can block?
 
On the subject of TE's, I'm disappointed that Michael Williams from Alabama didn't get a Combine invite. I think he's got the size and potential as both a blocker and pass catcher at the NFL level. Maybe no Combine invite helps him to fall and we get him in the 6th with one our expected comp. picks.
 
Texans need to collect an OT, DT, WR, ILB, OLB, CB, S, WR, TE, DE, & Punter.

Minus at least one via free agency, that's still 10. With estimated compensatory picks (3) combined with all natural slotted picks (7) in tack will make for interesting build-up through draft process.

A deep OL/TE class bodes well. Thinking mid round here. Save the top spots for ILB, DT & WR.

BL :wesmantexanfan:
 
beerlover said:
Texans need to collect an OT, DT, WR, ILB, OLB, CB, S, WR, TE, DE, & Punter.

Minus at least one via free agency, that's still 10. With estimated compensatory picks (3) combined with all natural slotted picks (7) in tack will make for interesting build-up through draft process.

A deep OL/TE class bodes well. Thinking mid round here. Save the top spots for ILB, DT & WR.

BL :wesmantexanfan:
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Lets cherry pick this .

http://walterfootball.com/draft2013.php
 
aussie_texan said:
1. Kevin Minter ILB
2. Brandon Williams NT
3. Da'rick Rogers WR
4. Brandon Jenkins OLB
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I'm still thinkin .

1. Justin Hunter WR Tennessee ... why ... go big or go home .
2. Jesse Williams NT Alabama ... why ... could also play a little DE.
3. B.W. Webb, CB, William & Mary
4. Nico Johnson ILB Alabama
 
WO 40 yd dash unofficial time(sub 4.5 only) First Group
4.25/4.31 Austin
4.25/4.29 Goodwin
4.38/4.38 Boyce
4.38/4.37 Fuller
4.40/4.53 Davis
4.43/4.44 King
4.44/4.41 Hunter
4.47/4.59 Hamilton
4.47/4.47 Harrison
4.50/4.44 Goard
4.50/4.47 Bonner
4.57/4.46 Harper
 
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SAMURAITEXAN said:
Unofficial time(sub 4.5 only)
4.25/4.31 Austin
4.25 Goodwin
4.38/4.38 Boyce
4.38 Fuller
4.40 Davis
4.43 King
4.47 Hamilton
4.47 Harrison
4.50/4.47 Bonner
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So both Austin and Goodwin get the deal from Adidas for fastest player at the combine?

Marcus Davis and Tavares King help themselves.
King is great value in the third, IMO.

And don't go to sleep on Fuller.
The guy is still raw due to change of position and lack of playing time, but he also has good potential; could be a sleeper in the late round.
 
76Texan said:
So both Austin and Goodwin get the deal from Adidas for fastest player at the combine?

Marcus Davis and Tavares King help themselves.
King is great value in the third, IMO.

And don't go to sleep on Fuller.
The guy is still raw due to change of position and lack of playing time, but he also has good potential; could be a sleeper in the late round.
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Kaufman is interesting prospect. His tall and runs low 4.5!

Yep, Austin and Goodwin both get shoelaces from Adidas!
 
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SAMURAITEXAN said:
You are right but he didn't look that tall.
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Maybe he wore high heels when they measured him!
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Man all of these WRs are burning it up. Ryan Swope with a 4.44

Edit: Markus Wheaton 4.34
Patterson ran a 4.3
T.Williams with a 4.46
 
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...tin-marquise-goodwin-run-blistering-40-times/

Austin ran a 40-yard dash in an unofficial time of 4.25 seconds. If that holds up when all of the official times come in, it will be the second-fastest in the history of the NFL Scouting Combine, second only to Chris Johnson’s 4.24.

Except that just a couple minutes after Austin turned in his 40 time, Texas receiver Marquise Goodwin equaled it with a 4.25-second 40-yard dash of his own. Goodwin, who was in the Olympics last year as a long jumper, said before the Combine that he thought he could break Johnson’s record.
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This has to be one of the faster WR groups this year. These are "unofficial first attempts on 40 times below.
SOURCE

Austin, Tavon West Virginia 4.25 u
Goodwin, Marquise Texas 4.25 u
Robinson, Denard Michigan 4.34 u
Stills, Kenny Oklahoma 4.34 u
Wheaton, Markus Oregon St. 4.34 u
Fuller, Corey Virginia Tech 4.37 u
Patterson, Cordarrelle Tennessee 4.37 u
Boyce, Josh TCU 4.38 u
Davis, Marcus Virginia Tech 4.40 u
Hunter, Justin Tennessee 4.41 u
Wilson, Marquess Washington St. 4.41 u
King, Tavarres Georgia 4.43 u
Sampson, Lanear Baylor 4.43 u
Goard, Tyrone Eastern Kentucky 4.44 u
Rogers, Da'Rick Tennessee Tech 4.44 u
Smith, Rodney Florida St. 4.44 u
Spadola, Ryan Lehigh 4.44 u
Swope, Ryan Texas A&M 4.44 u
Woods, Robert USC 4.44 u
Harper, Chris Kansas St. 4.46 u
Patton, Quinton Louisiana Tech 4.46 u
Williams, Terrance Baylor 4.46 u
Bonner, Alan Jacksonville St. 4.47 u
Hamilton, Cobi Arkansas 4.47 u
Harrison, Mark Rutgers 4.47 u
Mellette, Aaron Elon 4.47 u
Bailey, Stedman West Virginia 4.50 u
Hopkins, DeAndre Clemson 4.50 u
Johnson, Darius SMU 4.50 u
Thompkins, Kenbrell Cincinnati 4.50 u

Pete Prisco ‏@PriscoCBS
All this speed by receivers could be costing Mike Wallace some money
 
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NCTexan said:
The TE Vance McDonald had great form through out the bench press. Looks like an intriguing prospect.

Looks like people doubt his blocking though.
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I like this guy. He looked pretty good at the Senior Bowl & has had decent combine. His blocking is supposedly good & he can catch. The Texans need a blocking TE who can catch when it's all said & done & I think McDonld could fit the bill later in the draft.
 
Denard Robinson has a ton of speed as well. Wonder who is going to try to teach him how to run routes.
 
b0ng said:
Man all of these WRs are burning it up. Ryan Swope with a 4.44

Edit: Markus Wheaton 4.34
Patterson ran a 4.3
T.Williams with a 4.46
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Makes me wonder if the track is faster this year.

Did Rich Essein whatever his name is break his 40 record? LOL!
 
WO 40 yd dash unofficial time(sub 4.5 only) Second Group
4.34/4.45 Robinson
4.34/4.28 Stills
4.34/4.40 Wheaton
4.37/4.40 Patterson
4.41/4.47 Wilson
4.43/4.44 Sampson
4.44/4.46 Smith
4.44/4.41 Spadola
4.44/4.38 Swope
4.44/4.44 Woods
4.46/4.50 Patton
4.46/4.59 Williams
4.47/4.47 Mellette
4.50/4.43 Thompkins
4.56/4.44 Rogers
4.59/4.47 Vernon
 
Deandre Hopkins, Cobi Hamilton, and Goard to a lesser extent popped out of that first group for me.

Hopkins owns it. Cleanest looking guy out there by a good bit, to me.

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Group 5 next on my DVR.
 
Yep, I like Hopkins too. IMO he is the most complete WR out there. He gave LSU fits, really showed up in that big game, and 18 TD last year is really impressive. The only thing is that I think that there will be many more quality WR in round 2 than quality DT. We need to come out of this draft with a starting WR, DT, and ILB.
 
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