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Where does Matt rank with QBs in playoffs

amazing80 said:
Did you watch the game or are you stat scouting? Because anyone who watched the game will tell you Schaub was a joke and did nothing to help our offense.

Now whether you feel its Schaub (like me) or its the pieces around him (like texicutioner) thats another debate.
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watched the game twice, and didnt like much that i saw. there was plenty to put on kubiak, schaub, the offensive line, and the organization in general. but my whining ends at "we gave up 41 points". schaub has never lost a game where the defense has allowed less than 20 points (ravens tagged at 13). what happens if we hold brady to 19 instead of 41? we match up insanely well against the ravens ... if we win that one does it make schaub a top 5 quarterback instead of flacco?
 
Scooter said:
this thread is awesome. flacco has been in the league 5 years with middling stats despite a top 5 defense and bigtime run game each year (and two major receivers). .
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Middling Stats? Oh, he didn't throw for 5000 yds and sit at home each year?
He didn't have a Top 5 Defense this year- they were 17th overall. Schaubs Defense was at 7th Overall.
Run Game was 11th- Houston was at 8th
His "Two Major recievers" were ranked 32nd and 44th...Torrey Smith was 76th...I believe AJ was 4th???

Scooter said:
he proclaimed himself "elite" and the whole world laughed. he's gotten no less than 2 coordinators fired for trying to give him a reasonable workload. schaub finally gets a defense and beats the ravens by 30 points, and has a better regular season.
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Prclaims himself elite? You should read the interview- If you don't think your the best player on the field, then you are beaten before the first snap.

And which other Coordinator did he get fired? Cam Camron started with the Ravens in 08- same year Joe was drafted. Cam was hired by Billick then Billick got fired. Harbaugh inherited Cam. Cam got himself fired with his controlling attitude- he LIMITED Flacco, not gave him a reasonable workload.

Texans win a game in which everyone played like crap and Schaub has all these stats- what dod that get them?

Scooter said:
the ravens defense holds brady to 13 points and flacco is suddenly a top 5 quarterback. oh and schaub also put up 28 points on the patriots ... only it didnt matter against their 41. schaub also beat the broncos in denver, as well as the colts at home.
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It is a team game- Ravens Defense always plays Brady and Pats tough- Brady has his worst % vs any one team in the Ravens. Flacco put up 28 when the game was even- Schaub put up most of his when the game was already decided.

Scooter said:
i've got as many problems with schaub as any rational fan, but this joe flacco stuff is getting out of hand.
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You should watch a little more of him play- it will become very clear.
 
Scooter said:
watched the game twice, and didnt like much that i saw. there was plenty to put on kubiak, schaub, the offensive line, and the organization in general. but my whining ends at "we gave up 41 points". schaub has never lost a game where the defense has allowed less than 20 points (ravens tagged at 13). what happens if we hold brady to 19 instead of 41? we match up insanely well against the ravens ... if we win that one does it make schaub a top 5 quarterback instead of flacco?
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So our defense needs to be the best overall in points allowed in order for Schaub to be "good enough"...never gonna happen, he needs to sack up and carry us once in awhile
 
amazing80 said:
Really? You're gonna consider those points "schaubs"? He did absolutely NOTHING until the 4th quarter when we were down by 21 points, thats called garbage time.
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14 of baltimore's 28 points came with less than 12 minutes left ... 21 came with 21 minutes left.

houston scored 13 in the first half. houston scored 15 with 12 minutes left.
 
amazing80 said:
So our defense needs to be the best overall in points allowed in order for Schaub to be "good enough"...never gonna happen, he needs to sack up and carry us once in awhile
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if "sack up and carry us once in a while" means scoring 28 points against the patriots, beating denver in denver, and the colts at home ... yup.
 
Scooter said:
14 of baltimore's 28 points came with less than 12 minutes left ... 21 came with 21 minutes left.

houston scored 13 in the first half. houston scored 15 with 12 minutes left.
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Yea, was Baltimore down 21 points when they scored in those last 12 minutes or was it a close game that Flacco grabbed hold of and won? Big difference....
 
Scooter said:
14 of baltimore's 28 points came with less than 12 minutes left ... 21 came with 21 minutes left.

houston scored 13 in the first half. houston scored 15 with 12 minutes left.
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Say what?

4th Quarter
Baltimore Ravens continues ...
1-3-NE 3 (15:00) 5-J.Flacco pass short middle to 81-A.Boldin for 3 yards, TOUCHDOWN.

Baltimore Ravens at 12:46
1-10-NE 47 (12:46) (Shotgun) 5-J.Flacco pass deep left to 82-T.Smith to NE 31 for 16 yards (24-K.Arrington).
1-10-NE 31 (12:18) (No Huddle) 5-J.Flacco scrambles left end ran ob at NE 17 for 14 yards.
1-10-NE 17 (11:54) (No Huddle, Shotgun) 5-J.Flacco pass short middle to 12-J.Jones to NE 11 for 6 yards (55-B.Spikes).
2-4-NE 11 (11:19) (No Huddle, Shotgun) 5-J.Flacco pass short right to 81-A.Boldin for 11 yards, TOUCHDOWN.


Not sure what your point is here.....
 
Scooter said:
if "sack up and carry us once in a while" means scoring 28 points against the patriots, beating denver in denver, and the colts at home ... yup.
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I will give you (weakly, as Denver was a completely different team week 3 and our run game dominated as well) the Denver win, but 28 points vs the Pats isn't impressive, they had an easy schedule and took advantage of crap teams. Ill admit our defense was terrible both times we played them. But that doesn't mean Schaub did good, those points were so skewed its ridiculous you even posted them.
 
handswarmer said:
Middling Stats? Oh, he didn't throw for 5000 yds and sit at home each year?
He didn't have a Top 5 Defense this year- they were 17th overall. Schaubs Defense was at 7th Overall.
Run Game was 11th- Houston was at 8th
His "Two Major recievers" were ranked 32nd and 44th...Torrey Smith was 76th...I believe AJ was 4th???


Prclaims himself elite? You should read the interview- If you don't think your the best player on the field, then you are beaten before the first snap.

And which other Coordinator did he get fired? Cam Camron started with the Ravens in 08- same year Joe was drafted. Cam was hired by Billick then Billick got fired. Harbaugh inherited Cam. Cam got himself fired with his controlling attitude- he LIMITED Flacco, not gave him a reasonable workload.
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my bad. 17th ... the ravens defense is worse than average, and an obvious cake walk in the playoffs. the run game is barely above-par ... i mock the ravens drafting a running back this year to replace that what's his name who's holding their run game back. as for their receivers, i wouldnt want them on my team - even the ravens fans think they're scrubs. it's not as if their #2 receiver has more touchdowns than the texans receivers combined.

to the public, cam got fired for not giving the ball to ray rice every down - instead asking flacco to carry the load. i dont even recall this year's OC, but the same thing is perception ... he tried to install a hurry up offense to give flacco more control and it bombed quickly. basically the same applied in both cases. ray rice wins games, only give flacco what is necessary. and quit getting butthurt about it, we do the same with foster and schaub.
 
Scooter said:
my bad. 17th ... the ravens defense is worse than average, and an obvious cake walk in the playoffs. the run game is barely above-par ... i mock the ravens drafting a running back this year to replace that what's his name who's holding their run game back. as for their receivers, i wouldnt want them on my team - even the ravens fans think they're scrubs. it's not as if their #2 receiver has more touchdowns than the texans receivers combined.

to the public, cam got fired for not giving the ball to ray rice every down - instead asking flacco to carry the load. i dont even recall this year's OC, but the same thing is perception ... he tried to install a hurry up offense to give flacco more control and it bombed quickly. basically the same applied in both cases. ray rice wins games, only give flacco what is necessary. and quit getting butthurt about it, we do the same with foster and schaub.
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And yet one tandem is in the super bowl and one isnt
 
Scooter said:
my bad. 17th ... the ravens defense is worse than average, and an obvious cake walk in the playoffs. the run game is barely above-par ... i mock the ravens drafting a running back this year to replace that what's his name who's holding their run game back. as for their receivers, i wouldnt want them on my team - even the ravens fans think they're scrubs. it's not as if their #2 receiver has more touchdowns than the texans receivers combined.

to the public, cam got fired for not giving the ball to ray rice every down - instead asking flacco to carry the load. i dont even recall this year's OC, but the same thing is perception ... he tried to install a hurry up offense to give flacco more control and it bombed quickly. basically the same applied in both cases. ray rice wins games, only give flacco what is necessary. and quit getting butthurt about it, we do the same with foster and schaub.
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I'm not butthurt about your obvious ignorance of how things in Baltimore transpire; you are a Texans fan- you shouldn't have any idea of how things transpire here in Baltimore. The very fact that you are continuing to stub your toe in trying to explain what transpired with the Ravens is a direct result of your anger towards all things ravens. You have a perception, poor though it is, of what the Ravens are all about, but in reality it is misguided and false.
 
handswarmer said:
I'm not butthurt about your obvious ignorance of how things in Baltimore transpire; you are a Texans fan- you shouldn't have any idea of how things transpire here in Baltimore. The very fact that you are continuing to stub your toe in trying to explain what transpired with the Ravens is a direct result of your anger towards all things ravens. You have a perception, poor though it is, of what the Ravens are all about, but in reality it is misguided and false.
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actually i'm a fairly big baltimore fan, and required quite a bit of help from my girlfriend to get decked out in purple this weekend. mom spent several years working in baltimore recently and we've made great friends in the area. you're taking offense to what i perceive as truth in comparison towards the current texans' state of affairs - as well as national perception towards your organization.
 
Scooter said:
actually i'm a fairly big baltimore fan, and required quite a bit of help from my girlfriend to get decked out in purple this weekend. mom spent several years working in baltimore recently and we've made great friends in the area. you're taking offense to what i perceive as truth in comparison towards the current texans' state of affairs - as well as national perception towards your organization.
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I take offense to nothing- except for when the truth is ignored or mis-represented
 
handswarmer said:
I take offense to nothing- except for when the truth is ignored or mis-represented
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truth - this is the first year since 2008 that the ravens have ranked worse than 3rd in points allowed. ray rice has average 1266 yards rushing since 2009, but flacco has topped out at 3800 yards. by rights yall should've been unstoppable once torrey smith showed up, instead of taking 3 years to find that groove. schaub went 15-1 when his defense was on point. once cushing got hurt however, we went on a defensive crash - forcing him into shootouts with losers such as the lions and jaguars. how did flacco do with a shootout against a team putting up 40+ ... like the texans?
 
Scooter said:
truth - this is the first year since 2008 that the ravens have ranked worse than 3rd in points allowed. ray rice has average 1266 yards rushing since 2009, but flacco has topped out at 3800 yards. by rights yall should've been unstoppable once torrey smith showed up, instead of taking 3 years to find that groove. schaub went 15-1 when his defense was on point. once cushing got hurt however, we went on a defensive crash - forcing him into shootouts with losers such as the lions and jaguars. how did flacco do with a shootout against a team putting up 40+ ... like the texans?
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Ravens don't play in any shootouts really...
 
Scooter said:
truth - this is the first year since 2008 that the ravens have ranked worse than 3rd in points allowed. ray rice has average 1266 yards rushing since 2009, but flacco has topped out at 3800 yards. by rights yall should've been unstoppable once torrey smith showed up, instead of taking 3 years to find that groove. schaub went 15-1 when his defense was on point. once cushing got hurt however, we went on a defensive crash - forcing him into shootouts with losers such as the lions and jaguars. how did flacco do with a shootout against a team putting up 40+ ... like the texans?
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Dude, at the end of the day, the Ravens are in the Super Bowl and we exited in the 2nd round. Shaub sucks and Flacco is a significantly better QB than him. No amount of self serving comments can change that or make us feel better. Just give them their props already and quit being sore.
 
Texcore said:
Dude, at the end of the day, the Ravens are in the Super Bowl and we exited in the 2nd round. Shaub sucks and Flacco is a significantly better QB than him.
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I agree that Flacco has played better in the play offs than Schaub. I'll agree that Flacco right now, is a better QB than Schaub.


I do not agree that Flacco is a better QB than Schaub because he is in the Super Bowl & Matt exited in the second round. Peyton Manning & Aaron Rogers both exited in the second round and are both better QBs than Joe Flacco.

I don't think Schaub sucks. Blaine Gabbert sucks, John Skelton sucks. Mark Sanchez sucks. But I don't think Schaub is the best type of QB for this team. Matt Schaub is not the kind of QB I want leading my team. But I don't think Matt Schaub sucks.
 
gafftop said:
...Is it just me or does it seem that MS takes a long time to get rid of the ball and then it goes really slow. Can anyone put Ms vs another QB releasing the ball so that each starts at same time. If so pick a 30 yard pass so we can see comparison. Also how quickly ball arrives to target. Maybe already done on a website.
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I'm sure his tempo makes him a great golfer, he looks like he is lining up a putt on the final hole of the Master's.

His thoughts might go something like this:
These guys are getting close.
Dre is open.
Do I have enough room to throw?
Has the defender gotten closer to Dre?
I wonder what camera angle NBC is using right now? Is it on me or Dre?
I miss the roof being open, does everyone know I married a cheerleader?
Dre is a great receiver...is there still enough room to throw?
Are my feet set, I guess he'll have to come back and get this one....
He throws.

Flacco's thoughts.
Boldin is covered in the end zone.
I'll put it up high, "go get it"
He throws.
 
Fiddler said:
I agree that Flacco has played better in the play offs than Schaub. I'll agree that Flacco right now, is a better QB than Schaub.


I do not agree that Flacco is a better QB than Schaub because he is in the Super Bowl & Matt exited in the second round. Peyton Manning & Aaron Rogers both exited in the second round and are both better QBs than Joe Flacco.

I don't think Schaub sucks. Blaine Gabbert sucks, John Skelton sucks. Mark Sanchez sucks. But I don't think Schaub is the best type of QB for this team. Matt Schaub is not the kind of QB I want leading my team. But I don't think Matt Schaub sucks.
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He does suck. And this has absolutely nothing to do with the fact that Flacco is in the SB. I've always thought he was a better QB. You'd be hard pressed to find any football guy outside of Kubiak who thinks the opposite. He has a better skill set than Shaub and bigger balls I might add as it pertains to throwing the ball downfield.To think otherwise is being a homer dude, sorry to say. Schaub is a bus driver for us. He cannot be called upon to win games for us, like Flacco has. We are better playing with a lead, leaning of Foster, and asking Matt to manage the game, not win the game. He is incapable of carrying this team on his back the way better QBs in this league can.
 
Texcore said:
He does suck. And this has absolutely nothing to do with the fact that Flacco is in the SB. I've always thought he was a better QB. You'd be hard pressed to find any football guy outside of Kubiak who thinks the opposite. He has a better skill set than Shaub and bigger balls I might add as it pertains to throwing the ball downfield.To think otherwise is being a homer dude, sorry to say. Schaub is a bus driver for us. He cannot be called upon to win games for us, like Flacco has. We are better playing with a lead, leaning of Foster, and asking Matt to manage the game, not win the game. He is incapable of carrying this team on his back the way better QBs in this league can.
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Schaub is in the pro-bowl this year, Flacco is not. So I'd say there are alot of football people out there that think Schaub is better than Flacco.
 
dream_team said:
Schaub is in the pro-bowl this year, Flacco is not. So I'd say there are alot of football people out there that think Schaub is better than Flacco.
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LMAO, that is your "argument" As a replacement, yeah. But who cares, I'd rather have my team in the SB than have a replacement "pro-bowl" QB.

But here is the finer point. Flacco has been to 5 straight playoffs, Shaub 1. Flacco has an 8-4 playoff record(6 wins on the road). Shaub 1-1. And Flacco plays bigger in big games, while Shaub shrinks in big games.

Its an absolute joke to think Schaub is better than Flacco...an absolute joke.
 
dream_team said:
I'm surprised to see there are so many people in here willing to take Matt Ryan over Schaub. You guys do realize after 4 trips to the playoffs, Ryan finally won one yesterday? And it took a miracle comeback to win it.
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You do realize that in his 5 years in the NFL, that Ryan got his team to playoffs 4 times?

In his 6 years here, Schaub whiffed it for the first 4 years, then finally got the Texans there twice. And it took a miracle by TJ Yates to clinch the first one.
 
Texcore said:
LMAO, that is your "argument" As a replacement, yeah. But who cares, I'd rather have my team in the SB than have a replacement "pro-bowl" QB.

But here is the finer point. Flacco has been to 5 straight playoffs, Shaub 1. Flacco has an 8-4 playoff record(6 wins on the road). Shaub 1-1. And Flacco plays bigger in big games, while Shaub shrinks in big games.

Its an absolute joke to think Schaub is better than Flacco...an absolute joke.
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woah dude, give me your keys. for real
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Re-read my post. I did not state any opinions, I did not say Schaub is better than Flacco. I simply stated a fact in response to the statement "You'd be hard pressed to find any football guy outside of Kubiak who thinks the opposite."

The fact that Schaub got voted into the Pro-Bowl, over Flacco, shows that more "football people" do think Schaub was better than Flacco this season.

I did not state my opinion, just a fact, that there are alot of football people outside of Kubiak who thinks Schaub is better than Flacco.
 
BullBlitz said:
You do realize that in his 5 years in the NFL, that Ryan got his team to playoffs 4 times?

In his 6 years here, Schaub whiffed it for the first 4 years, then finally got the Texans there twice. And it took a miracle by TJ Yates to clinch the first one.
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Schaub can get our current team in the playoffs, I don't think there's any arguing this. We need a QB that can get us to the next level (the SB). Matt Ryan hasn't proven he can do this.
 
dream_team said:
Schaub can get our current team in the playoffs, I don't think there's any arguing this. We need a QB that can get us to the next level (the SB). Matt Ryan hasn't proven he can do this.
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Of course there's no arguing that. He just did it.

But Schaub has failed to get us to a Conferenece Championship game at all...

Ryan has at least gotten his team to that point.
 
dream_team said:
Re-read my post. I did not state any opinions, I did not say Schaub is better than Flacco. I simply stated a fact in response to the statement "You'd be hard pressed to find any football guy outside of Kubiak who thinks the opposite."

The fact that Schaub got voted into the Pro-Bowl, over Flacco, shows that more "football people" do think Schaub was better than Flacco this season.

I did not state my opinion, just a fact, that there are alot of football people outside of Kubiak who thinks Schaub is better than Flacco.
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VY was a probowl qb. Probowl is wack. Yeah I said it, VY was a probowl qb. Schaub was a probowl MVP. Where's that gotten us?
 
dream_team said:
Re-read my post. I did not state any opinions, I did not say Schaub is better than Flacco. I simply stated a fact in response to the statement "You'd be hard pressed to find any football guy outside of Kubiak who thinks the opposite."

The fact that Schaub got voted into the Pro-Bowl, over Flacco, shows that more "football people" do think Schaub was better than Flacco this season.

I did not state my opinion, just a fact, that there are alot of football people outside of Kubiak who thinks Schaub is better than Flacco.
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Don't back track your self serving comments. You are qualifying your statement that Shaub is better than Flacco by simply stating he made the pro-bowl because you responded to my analysis that Flacco is better and Schaub is a bus driver type QB.

By the way, pro-bowl voting is largely fan voting, starts MID SEASON and ends in November, and it is well documented that players and coaches don't really care because they have to vote for players on the opposite side of the ball only.

But back to the main point. Flacco tore through these last 3 playoff games to a tune of 853 yards, 8 TDs, 0 INTs, 115 QB rating.....he carried his team, making huge plays down field. Something Schaub can't do.
 
ATXtexanfan said:
VY was a probowl qb. Probowl is wack. Yeah I said it, VY was a probowl qb. Schaub was a probowl MVP. Where's that gotten us?
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I agree with you there, the probowl is whack! But it doesn't change the fact... when football players and coaches were asked to pick a QB, there were more votes for Schaub rather than Flacco. So yes, there are alot of "football people" who prefer Schaub.

You can't even blame this on dumb fans, because it looks like Schaub was 5th in fan voting.
 
ATXtexanfan said:
VY was a probowl qb. Probowl is wack. Yeah I said it, VY was a probowl qb. Schaub was a probowl MVP. Where's that gotten us?
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VY actually made it twice...what does that tell you!

But like I said I'd take making the SB on the arm of a very good QB, over my team having a replacement bus driving, PB QB and exiting in the 2nd round....
 
Texcore said:
Don't back track your self serving comments. You are qualifying your statement that Shaub is better than Flacco by simply stating he made the pro-bowl because you responded to my analysis that Flacco is better and Schaub is a bus driver type QB.

By the way, pro-bowl voting is largely fan voting, starts MID SEASON and ends in November, and it is well documented that players and coaches don't really care because they have to vote for players on the opposite side of the ball only.

But back to the main point. Flacco tore through these last 3 playoff games to a tune of 853 yards, 8 TDs, 0 INTs, 115 QB rating.....he carried his team, making huge plays down field. Something Schaub can't do.
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Once again... re-read my post. I did NOT say I think Schaub is better than Flacco. I can't change how you'll interpret my posts, so I may be wasting my time.

Also, pro-bowl voting is only 1/3rd fan voting, so it is NOT largely fan voting. Plus, if you see in my previous post, it looks like Schaub was 5th in fan voting. So he did not get some type of overwhelming response from the fans.

These are the facts... the NFL asked players & coaches to pick a QB to represent the AFC in the pro-bowl. More often than not, they chose Schaub over Flacco.

Once again, no opinions... just facts.
 
BullBlitz said:
You do realize that in his 5 years in the NFL, that Ryan got his team to playoffs 4 times?

In his 6 years here, Schaub whiffed it for the first 4 years, then finally got the Texans there twice. And it took a miracle by TJ Yates to clinch the first one.
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That right there is proof enough that Schaub can't carry a team. He tried and failed. It wasn't until we built a good defense up and a powerful running game that Schaub made it, only as a bus driver mind you. We don't win games because of Schaub, we win because of Foster and the defense.

We are just wasting time with Schaub at QB, and it pisses me right off that he is holding us back...
 
Texcore said:
That right there is proof enough that Schaub can't carry a team. He tried and failed. It wasn't until we built a good defense up and a powerful running game that Schaub made it, only as a bus driver mind you. We don't win games because of Schaub, we win because of Foster and the defense.

We are just wasting time with Schaub at QB, and it pisses me right off that he is holding us back...
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Alright, the bolded is within my top 10 or 15 dumbest posts ever on this board!!

(2nd bolded part) Deal with it because you're stuck with it for the next couple of years. Damnit!!! :gun: TJ Yates is such a better option.. My bad!!
 
Texan_Bill said:
That said, it's apples to oranges. Flacco took over an already pretty good team, defensively and otherwise. Schaub took over shyte...

My point is this.... While Flacco doesn't suck as much as he is percieved to, he's nothing special either.
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Schaub on ravens = no superbowl. Flacco can throw ball thirty yards farther than schaub. Nothing special. Ask Denver and new England. Schaub beat the Bengals and so did Yates. By the way. Schaub has no important victories. Flacco had six on the road in the playoffs. Name a big win by schaub? Name a win when the Texans weren't favored. Dude your love affair for schaub and kubiak makes McClain jealous.
 
Texan_Bill said:
Alright, the bolded is within my top 10 or 15 dumbest posts ever on this board!!

(2nd bolded part) Deal with it because you're stuck with it for the next couple of years. Damnit!!! :gun: TJ Yates is such a better option.. My bad!!
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And that is your retort to stated facts?

Get over your manlove for Schaub dude...it makes you look foolish!
 
dream_team said:
Once again... re-read my post. I did NOT say I think Schaub is better than Flacco. I can't change how you'll interpret my posts, so I may be wasting my time.

Also, pro-bowl voting is only 1/3rd fan voting, so it is NOT largely fan voting. Plus, if you see in my previous post, it looks like Schaub was 5th in fan voting. So he did not get some type of overwhelming response from the fans.

These are the facts... the NFL asked players & coaches to pick a QB to represent the AFC in the pro-bowl. More often than not, they chose Schaub over Flacco.

Once again, no opinions... just facts.
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Seriously dude, nobody cares about the probowl.

And again you skip over the most important facts of all. Why don't you address these......PRODUCTION and BIG WINS. Flacco has quite a few, Shaub none.
 
For my first post on TT... (I'm usually posting on the other board)

Flacco has clearly separated any comparison with Schaub after this post season. Flacco performed well when the games got bigger.

Here's Schaub's QBR in our "big" games.

Greenbay - 37.9
Chicago - 18.5
1st NE game - 19.1

Now let's jump to our TWO chances to clinch HFA with our franchise QB healthy as can be.

Minnesota - 46.2
Indy - 37.1

Post season QBR average comes out to 62 even with an INT in each game.

He sure does rise to the occasion, doesn't he?
 
Texcore said:
That right there is proof enough that Schaub can't carry a team. He tried and failed. It wasn't until we built a good defense up and a powerful running game that Schaub made it, only as a bus driver mind you. We don't win games because of Schaub, we win because of Foster and the defense.

We are just wasting time with Schaub at QB, and it pisses me right off that he is holding us back...
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Since Tom Brady will be sitting at home watching Flacco in the Super Bowl, does that mean that Brady's better days are behind him? That he was a better QB at one time, but now he can't "carry his team"

Is Flacco better than Big Ben? If you had to choose one or the other to start a new team, are you telling me you would pick Flacco?

Is Flacco better than Rogers? Same thing, you're going to start your team, have to choose Flacco or Rogers... who you taking?

Flacco getting to the Super Bowl does not prove anything about his ability as a QB. It proves he is on the better team. It proves that his team was able to stop the Patriots from scoring enough points to win the game...... that's it.

Flacco is not better than Romo, not better than Bradford or Stafford, not better than Rogers, Brees, Brady.... he's on a better team.

Flacco may very well be better than Schaub, but being in the Super Bowl is no more proof of that than it is proof that Jacoby is a better receiver than Andre Johnson.

Ray Rice is not better than Arian.
 
bOODRO87 said:
For my first post on TT... (I'm usually posting on the other board)

Flacco has clearly separated any comparison with Schaub after this post season. Flacco performed well when the games got bigger.

Here's Schaub's QBR in our "big" games.

Greenbay - 37.9
Chicago - 18.5
1st NE game - 19.1

Now let's jump to our TWO chances to clinch HFA with our franchise QB healthy as can be.

Minnesota - 46.2
Indy - 37.1

Post season QBR average comes out to 62 even with an INT in each game.

He sure does rise to the occasion, doesn't he?
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I'd love for the Ravens to win the Super Bowl.

But I don't think Joe Flacco will be rising to the occasion if Ray Rice is shut down. Remember, during the regular season, they fired their OC for not giving the ball to Ray Rice & trusting Flacco to deliver Ws.

I don't think Flacco will be rising to the occasion if that defense didn't hold the Patriots to 13 points.

Flacco vs Brady... something is wrong, if you're picking Flacco out of that matchup & that's what you're saying if we're talking about Ravens' wins being on Flacco's sholders.
 
8 TDs and zero INT in this post season does not lie. Did you see the throws he made against Denver and NE? Deep bombs, tight windows, etc. Very impressive. He earned his new contract, undoubtedly.
 
Texcore said:
Seriously dude, nobody cares about the probowl.

And again you skip over the most important facts of all. Why don't you address these......PRODUCTION and BIG WINS. Flacco has quite a few, Shaub none.
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This is my last time I'm responding to you, because you are clearly misinterpreting my post. I did NOT state Schaub is better than Flacco. I'm not trying to make that argument. You said that it would be hard to find football people outside of Kubiak that think Schaub is better than Flacco. I simply pointed out that the probowl voting contradicts that statement.

The end.
 
dream_team said:
This is my last time I'm responding to you, because you are clearly misinterpreting my post. I did NOT state Schaub is better than Flacco. I'm not trying to make that argument. You said that it would be hard to find football people outside of Kubiak that think Schaub is better than Flacco. I simply pointed out that the probowl voting contradicts that statement.

The end.
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I hear ya.....
 
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