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Dont know a lot about torn acl's in the NFL... In English soccer players come back and play like before but its not exactly a huge contact sport....When Cushung comes back will he be able to play the same? How does it work with torn acl's and linebackers ? Will his knee be a lot weaker and susceptible to a repeat?
Depends. 50/50 shot in most cases.
That bad? This really sucks.
He will get back to damn near 100%. It will just be in 2014.
ummmmm........ No comment
Owen Daniels has had three torn ACLs in his career. He took a while to come back after the most recent one, but he did recover.
Adrian Peterson tore both an ACL and MCL on Dec. 24, 2011, and he's back to playing now. They say it's almost inhuman for someone to recover from that as quickly as he has though.
Jamaal Charles tore his ACL last year in week 2 and he's back to what appears to be 100%.
Rashad Mendenhall tore his ACL last year just before the playoffs. He didn't start playing much until week 5 of this season, but he looked good in his first game.
Terrell Suggs tore his in May, but expects to be playing for the Ravens in November. Only a 6 month recovery, which is aggressive.
I don't think we need to worry about Cushing coming back next year, he will have 9-10 months before meaningful practices start. He's a warrior, and I'm sure he will train extremely hard and make himself ready to return ASAP. It just won't happen until next year
Somebody needs to get him under control, because he’s trying to hurt people... It’s one thing to be an incredibly physical player and a tenacious player, but it’s another thing to set out to end that guy’s career... I’m all for physicality, but within the framework of the game.
Teams formulate plans to block him because he’s a dangerous rusher. The Texans have a lot of other dangerous rushers, however. They don’t have a lot of other inside linebackers who can run and cover the way Cushing can, and when he’s absent it’s sure to be a spot that gets targeted.
Defensive coordinator Wade Phillips loves Cushing as much as anyone. But he jumped to point out that the Texans had a great deal of defensive success against the Jets after the linebacker left the field. Tim Dobbins took Cushing’s spot in the base personnel, and Bradie James stayed on the field to assume Cushing’s role in the nickel package.
The drop off from Cushing to those guys is more significant than it is from any of the Texans other stars to their backups.
As reporters approached Dobbins to ask about his expanded role with Cushing gone, Dobbins repeatedly shook his head and said he didn’t really want to talk about it.
“I’m a small fry in this world,” he said. “We didn’t know what’s wrong with him, if he’s going to be out or not. I stay ready so I don’t ever need to get ready.”
Why didn't tebow just go up to cush and rub his knee? Selfish ******.
Godbless.
Who wants to see something that will make them sick to their stomach? Exhibit A:
----------------Cushing on field--------Cushing not on field
Plays---------------2,797--------------------377-----------
Opp. Comp. Pct.-----58.4--------------------65.2----------
Opp. TD-Int----------62-46------------------13-3---------
Opp. Yds/Play---------5.2--------------------5.8-----------
http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/8483657/houston-texans-brian-cushing-season-torn-acl
He just makes us better. Thats all there is too it. Sure we can overcome this, but we are not as good of a team without him as we were with him. In no way can we be as good talent wise as we were on Monday before the game this season. Thats sad
Son of a *****!!!
This means he won't be worth a sh!t next season.
A little OT... did anyone complain that Watt wasn't flagged on his Sanchez sack? Totally different, but completely against the rules. Both hands made contact below the knees.
How was that possibly illegal? He tripped him by grabbing his foot
No defensive player who has an unrestricted path to the quarterback may hit him flagrantly in the area of the knee(s) or below when approaching in any direction.
Owen Daniels has had three torn ACLs in his career. He took a while to come back after the most recent one, but he did recover.
Adrian Peterson tore both an ACL and MCL on Dec. 24, 2011, and he's back to playing now. They say it's almost inhuman for someone to recover from that as quickly as he has though.
Jamaal Charles tore his ACL last year in week 2 and he's back to what appears to be 100%.
Rashad Mendenhall tore his ACL last year just before the playoffs. He didn't start playing much until week 5 of this season, but he looked good in his first game.
Terrell Suggs tore his in May, but expects to be playing for the Ravens in November. Only a 6 month recovery, which is aggressive.
I don't think we need to worry about Cushing coming back next year, he will have 9-10 months before meaningful practices start. He's a warrior, and I'm sure he will train extremely hard and make himself ready to return ASAP. It just won't happen until next year
Each is headed for knee replacement surgery, Elway sooner than Davis, but both make light of their physical issues, having conditioned themselves to live with the long- term effects. They made millions playing football and knew the risks.
Said Elway, "Other than the lobotomy, everything else is good."
Not exactly.
Elway initially injured his knee in high school, and surgeons removed his anterior cruciate ligament. By the time he retired, he had had five knee operations, guaranteeing himself a post-career lifetime of problems.
"I knew what I was getting into," he said.
Living with pain
So why put yourself through it? In Elway's case, he had a legacy to fulfill. He was the top-rated player in the country in high school and the No. 1 pick in the 1983 NFL draft. He contemplated retirement in his early 30s, but refused to bow to the pain - and the frustration of playing in Dan Reeves' offense - until he won a Super Bowl.
"Just ask Dan," said Elway, 47. "I have a hard head."
And a bum knee.
"It continues to get worse," he said. "I don't have an ACL and now I don't have any cartilage on the outside. That's the reason I have to watch it. It's starting to go in. If it goes too far, it's going to be tough to put a new knee in. It gets too deformed."
Davis, who has launched a second career as an NFL Network analyst, finds himself in a similar predicament. The doctors have told him it's when, not if, he has knee replacement surgery. At 34, he wants to hold off as long as possible, what with artificial knees having a typical shelf life of 15-20 years.
In the interim, he makes daily concessions to his left knee, on which doctors performed microfracture surgery during his latter years with the Broncos. His right knee, the one he injured in 1999 when Matt Lepsis fell on him during an interception return, is fine, but the left one is getting worse.
He takes aspirin to dull the pain. He sleeps with a pillow between his legs to ease the discomfort.
"I feel like I'm 50," said Davis, who in 1998 became the fourth player in NFL history to run for 2,000 yards in a season. "I wouldn't change (my career) for the world, but it's tough. I was like everybody else. Most people say, 'It's not going to happen to me. I'm not going to have to deal with that."'
Background: Rupture of the anterior cruciate ligament (ACL) is a common and potentially career-threatening injury in the National Football League (NFL). The return to play (RTP) percentage and the factors affecting RTP after ACL reconstruction in NFL players are not well defined.
Purpose: To determine the actual rate of return to professional football play in the NFL after ACL reconstruction surgery and to determine what factors can predict ability to RTP. We hypothesize that the RTP percentage in this unique patient population will differ from previously reported populations.
Study Design: Case series; Level of evidence, 4.
Methods: Forty-nine NFL athletes who had undergone primary ACL reconstruction at our institution were followed to determine their RTP percentages and factors predicting RTP.
Results: Sixty-three percent (31 of 49) of NFL athletes returned to NFL game play at an average of 10.8 months after surgery. Age at time of surgery, position, and the type and number of procedures were not significantly different between those who did and did not return to play. The average number of games before surgery was 51 for those who did return to play and 28 for those who did not (P = .039). The odds ratio favoring RTP was 5.5 (P = .016) for those players who had more than 4 years of NFL experience before surgery. The average NFL draft round was 3.4 for the group who returned to play and 6.4 for those who did not (P < .001). The odds ratio favoring RTP was 12.2 (P < .001) for those players drafted in the first 4 rounds of the NFL draft compared with those drafted after the fourth round.
Conclusions: The RTP rates after ACL reconstruction in NFL football players are lower than previously perceived. More experienced and established athletes are more likely to return to competition at the same level after this procedure than those with less professional experience. Being selected in the first 4 rounds of the NFL draft was highly predictive of RTP.
This post is simply to present that Cushing has a very good chance of returning to play, and very possibly eventually to pre-injury level..........but nothing in ACL tear is entirely predictable. What we do know is that Cushing will put in elite-level effort in his rehab to give him the best chance to return to Reliant as the elite player we will recognize.
There may be some debate about "unrestricted path" but knees & below is pretty clear.
this post is simply to present that cushing has a very good chance of returning to play, and very possibly eventually to pre-injury level..........but nothing in acl tear is entirely predictable. What we do know is that cushing will put in elite-level effort in his rehab to give him the best chance to return to reliant as the elite player we will recognize.
Owen Daniels has had three torn ACLs in his career.
Daniels, who suffered a torn ACL as a senior in high school, was hurt on a third-down incompletion on the Texans' second series of the game.
How was that possibly illegal? He tripped him by grabbing his foot
At the time of that play, I figured Watt would get flagged for hitting the QB below the knees.
The refs must have thought that a hand swiping the foot is not the same as it would be if that same defender is tackling his full body weight INTO the QB's legs.
Still, I really REALLY thought he would get a flag there on that play. Maybe it was a make-up call or something? I dunno.
This is the second time I've seen that posted on this board, but I can't find evidence that he's had more than two ACL tears. Once in high school and once in 2009.
From Chronicle, November 1, 2009:
LINK
What really pisses me off about this is the fact that there's no discussion of punishment for the bastard that did this. He clearly went after Cushing's knee. He got washed out of the play, got up from the ground, and went after the back of Cushing's leg. He didn't trip or stumble, and wasn't blocked into it. I think some of you saying it wasn't intentional are off your rocker. Or maybe you're confusing premeditation with intention.
If a defensive player hits an offensive player in the head, no matter what the circumstance, he's fined. He can be actively trying to avoid hitting a player in the head, but if the offensive guy ducks into it, the defenseman is fined. Here we have a guy that clearly went after Cushing, should have been flagged, and probably isn't going to be fined. It's a BS double standard. Going after a man's knee is every bit as debilitating as headhunting, perhaps even moreso.
I havent seen any talking heads or anyone from the league say it was an illegal block, in fact the heads that I saw said it was legal. Should it be against the rules? I think so and I think Clay Matthews has a great point about protecting player safety on both sides of the ball
It will be fascinating to see how the NFL handles this one. There is a very strong case to be made Slauson's hit qualifies as illegal as clipping because of where it took place on the field, not because of Slauson's technique.
I haven't looked a lot, but what the hell is Sharpton's status!!!!
BTW, my schedule at work had us going 5-0 with our first loss being to the Pack at home..............
PLEASE, please, please Texans prove me wrong this Sunday!!!
This post is simply to present that Cushing has a very good chance of returning to play, and very possibly eventually to pre-injury level..........but nothing in ACL tear is entirely predictable. What we do know is that Cushing will put in elite-level effort in his rehab to give him the best chance to return to Reliant as the elite player we will recognize.
I think Fidd read the rule incorrectly.
It wasn't a "malicious" hit below the knee.
The defender is allowed to swipe at the quarterback's feet.
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http://static.nfl.com/static/content/public/image/rulebook/pdfs/15_Rule12_Player_Conduct.pdf
HITTING PASSERS KNEE
(5) A rushing defender is prohibited from forcibly hitting in the knee area or below a passer who has one
or both feet on the ground, even if the initial contact is above the knee. It is not a foul if the defender is
blocked (or fouled) into the passer and has no opportunity to avoid him;
Note 1: A defender cannot initiate a roll or lunge and forcibly hit the passer in the knee area or below, even if he
is being contacted by another player.
Note 2: It is not a foul if the defender swipes, wraps, or grabs a passer in the knee area or below in an attempt to tackle him.