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This guy is the definition of no class. Putting his hands on the ref after the game. I can't stand him.
This guy is the definition of no class. Putting his hands on the ref after the game. I can't stand him.
To be honest he only tried to stop him, not like he shoved him down on the ground, the officials are HORRIBLE.
What exactly did he do? Couldn't watch the game had homework...
Putting his hands on the ref after the game.
To be honest he only tried to stop him, not like he shoved him down on the ground, the officials are HORRIBLE.
We decided in the control room to keep a tally on how many calls we felt were made that better refs wouldn't have screwed up on.
We counted 17. 17 plays where it was clear the inferior refs either blew a call or missed a call. The integrity of the game is being messed with now and for people like Belichick that spend 100 hrs in the film room and dedicate their lives to this, I'd be just as pissed too.
The NFL and refs need to sit down, get this down and do it NOW. Someone is either going to get paralyzed or killed.
Forget the fact that some team is facing a real possibility of getting screwed out of a legit win that ends up costing them their season, and it will all have hinged on the refs, and this time it won't be a bull**** excuse.
We counted 17. 17 plays where it was clear the inferior refs either blew a call or missed a call. The integrity of the game is being messed with now and for people like Belichick that spend 100 hrs in the film room and dedicate their lives to this, I'd be just as pissed too.
He won't be around in Boston much longer if NE keeps losing games.
I would encourage all of you guys to sign up for TASO (Texas Association of Sports Officials) this season. It's late and the season's already started, but I can assure you that they're short-handed and would be more than willing to have you.
Find out what it's like for yourselves. And once you're trying to play catch-up in a 7th grade B-game...let me know how easy and obvious the plays are that you missed.
Btw...
These refs didn't ask for this. They're doing the very best job that they can, to have been dropped in the mix. I can't imagine the pace of an NFL game. College and High School can't hold a candle to it. Not to mention the difference in rule enforcement in the pros as opposed to college.
Btw...
These refs didn't ask for this. They're doing the very best job that they can, to have been dropped in the mix. I can't imagine the pace of an NFL game. College and High School can't hold a candle to it. Not to mention the difference in rule enforcement in the pros as opposed to college.
Btw...
These refs didn't ask for this.
They're doing the very best job that they can, to have been dropped in the mix.
Touch a ref and prepare to be fined and /or suspended. The ref's job isn't to discuss the call with a coach after the game is over.Yeah... he should have kicked him to the moon instead! I saw it as the ref being classless here as opposed to Belichick. I guess your mileage may vary.
He'll coach the Pats as long as he wants to, he's pretty well earned that.He won't be around in Boston much longer if NE keeps losing games.
Same for my three yr-old. Of course Daddy's doesn't look much better.Nobody's denying that. But that's separate from saying they are doing a terrible job.
My 3-year-old tries her best to draw Mickey Mouse.
But it looks like crap.
I don't know. Maybe it's no big deal. But I was always taught to respect the officials when I played any kind of sport. You can voice your displeasure but putting your hands on them is crossing the line in my book. Different strokes for different folks.
We decided in the control room to keep a tally on how many calls we felt were made that better refs wouldn't have screwed up on.
We counted 17. 17 plays where it was clear the inferior refs either blew a call or missed a call. The integrity of the game is being messed with now and for people like Belichick that spend 100 hrs in the film room and dedicate their lives to this, I'd be just as pissed too.
The NFL and refs need to sit down, get this down and do it NOW. Someone is either going to get paralyzed or killed.
Forget the fact that some team is facing a real possibility of getting screwed out of a legit win that ends up costing them their season, and it will all have hinged on the refs, and this time it won't be a bull**** excuse.
I would encourage all of you guys to sign up for TASO (Texas Association of Sports Officials) this season. It's late and the season's already started, but I can assure you that they're short-handed and would be more than willing to have you.
Find out what it's like for yourselves. And once you're trying to play catch-up in a 7th grade B-game...let me know how easy and obvious the plays are that you missed.
Btw...
These refs didn't ask for this. They're doing the very best job that they can, to have been dropped in the mix. I can't imagine the pace of an NFL game. College and High School can't hold a candle to it. Not to mention the difference in rule enforcement in the pros as opposed to college.
We decided in the control room to keep a tally on how many calls we felt were made that better refs wouldn't have screwed up on.
We counted 17. 17 plays where it was clear the inferior refs either blew a call or missed a call. The integrity of the game is being messed with now and for people like Belichick that spend 100 hrs in the film room and dedicate their lives to this, I'd be just as pissed too.
The NFL and refs need to sit down, get this down and do it NOW. Someone is either going to get paralyzed or killed.
Forget the fact that some team is facing a real possibility of getting screwed out of a legit win that ends up costing them their season, and it will all have hinged on the refs, and this time it won't be a bull**** excuse.
Ya know it's very irritating when you always speak the truth.
One example in how many years? Do you think that these guys aren't partial to one team or another? This guy was clearly biased in his fandom. I officiated my HS alma mater for about a dozen games last year. I was secretly hoping my old HS team would do well, but that doesn't IN ANYWAY mean that I'd "miss" even one call for them. A garbage example imo.
Sure they can...but would YOU? Every HS & college ref dreams of a shot to officiate in the pros. Would you turn down an opportunity handed to you to do something that you've always dreamed of? I don't think so.Can they turn the NFL down?
Nobody's denying that. But that's separate from saying they are doing a terrible job.
My 3-year-old tries her best to draw Mickey Mouse.
But it looks like crap.
Poor choice of words on my part. You're right, they DID sign up for this. What I meant was, they didn't ask to have the pro officials strike and they didn't ask to be thrown into the fray at a moments notice. Yes, as I mentioned above--it's probably always been a dream of theirs to officiate in the pros. I know that if someone called me and said, "Hey 'Blue' can you come ref the Texans v Titans game this week, we're a little short handed. YOU BETTER FLIPPIN' BELIEVE THAT I WOULD!!!!" There's NOTHING that would hold me back from that. I'd jump on it in a heartbeat. I've been an official at just about all levels since `04 and it's always been a dream of mine to move up the ladder. But it's incredibly political to move up and I'm not interested in putting in the time to ride someone elses coat-tails to move up.BS. These guys did sign up for this. The NFL did not just grab people of the street, put them in uniforms and say "Go!".
But yeah, I dont think they are doing a bad job on purpose. They just suck.
How many calls would the regular refs missed?
Remember the Steelers/Seahawks SB? I would rather have bad refs than crooked refs. I'm kinda enjoying this brand of football. Where WR's have to go across the middle with the fear of getting laid out like Heyward-Bey did yesterday. Or Vick getting pounded instead of being protected by the refs.
Old School football is back. They may miss a few calls, but replay corrects most of them. Considering how bad the regular refs are, the only difference is the amount of time that the replacement refs take to get the calls correct. As a fan I can live with this.
One example in how many years? Do you think that these guys aren't partial to one team or another? This guy was clearly biased in his fandom. I officiated my HS alma mater for about a dozen games last year. I was secretly hoping my old HS team would do well, but that doesn't IN ANYWAY mean that I'd "miss" even one call for them. A garbage example imo.
Years? What are you talking about? He only officiated ONE game before he got popped and the rest of them just finished their third game.
How many calls would the regular refs missed?
Remember the Steelers/Seahawks SB? I would rather have bad refs than crooked refs. I'm kinda enjoying this brand of football. Where WR's have to go across the middle with the fear of getting laid out like Heyward-Bey did yesterday. Or Vick getting pounded instead of being protected by the refs.
Old School football is back. They may miss a few calls, but replay corrects most of them. Considering how bad the regular refs are, the only difference is the amount of time that the replacement refs take to get the calls correct. As a fan I can live with this.
Seconded. ^^^
I can see improvement from game to game. If the damn announcers would quit showing bias toward the union officials I don't think most watchers would give it so much thought.
The only negative I notice is the slight slow down in making / enforcing calls, and again, I think they are improving greatly from week to week.
And as was said during one game yesterday if the refs would flag some of the extra shoving matches after the play it would all simmer down to normal.
I just don't think its all that bad.
I meant, one example of an "impartial" official out of how many hundreds of refs over the years. He's a fan. So what!
Maybe I should've said it a different way...
You don't get to throw the baby out with the bathwater. One biased official doesn't automatically mean that all of them are. How does this one guy in any way, prove anything???
This guy is the definition of no class. Putting his hands on the ref after the game. I can't stand him.
Sure they can...but would YOU? Every HS & college ref dreams of a shot to officiate in the pros. Would you turn down an opportunity handed to you to do something that you've always dreamed of? I don't think so.
Me thinks you are confused on what exactly the topic is... which is replacement referees.
I have no idea where you are going with throwing out the bathwater thing. Seems like you're putting words in my mouth to strengthen your argument. I never implied nor claimed any such thing. Thanks.
FWIW, I don't think he was biased. He made an unprofessional decision. You may be okay with that but I'm certainly not. Decision-making is everything when it comes to refereeing. These referees are making poor decisions on and off the field and we haven't even reached the 1/4 point of the season. It's getting dreadful in a hurry.
This guy is the definition of no class. Putting his hands on the ref after the game. I can't stand him.
Could you stand him before the game?
The guy out works most HC's in the league. When you put that much time and effort into something, you're going to be overly emotional about stuff when things dont go your way.
Belichick is the greatest HC of his generation. IMHO
I get that some people dont like that fact he will do anything to get a win. But that's why they have a scoreboard. I respect guys like Belichick
"Most" is a pretty broad assumption. Lots of us have eyes and know what the rules are.My point is, YES, these guys aren't cutting the mustard; but what did you really expect? I can see stuff that they are missing, just like y'all can; but the difference is, I see WHY they missed what they did and most of you guys don't. For example, yesterday on the "pass interference" call on the uncatchable ball. The ball should've been clearly noticed as being uncatchable--but if you go back and look at the video of what the ref was looking at, he was so locked in on the "contact" that he lost focus of the ball. He knew it was overthrown, but did the contact cause the ball to appear uncatchable? It's 100% judgment call at that point. You can get so focused on one thing that you miss something equally important. I know that I have. I've had 2 players sparring throught a series, and I will decide that I'm going to watch them closer to "make sure it doesn't get out of hand." And when you do--you're just about guaranteed to miss something somewhere else.
It happens guys...
"Most" is a pretty broad assumption. Lots of us have eyes and know what the rules are.
EX: Lestar Jean's TD reception that he didn't maintain control of all the way through the ground was mis-ruled by the official on the spot? Why? That official wasn't looking at the ball in Jean's hands, he was only watching the feet (which he incorrectly ruled OUT of bounds). He never, ever turned his head to watch the rest of the play to see Jean have trouble with control.
While the ultimate outcome of that play wasn't changed, it sure wasn't due to a correct "real-time" call.
As I see it, we've got TWO major issues with the replacement refs.
A) They keep screwing up procedural issues. (Extra downs, timeouts, wrong penalty yardage)
B) Rules are "looser" - (WRs getting mugged, DL getting mugged, chop blocks)
It's getting to the point where I'm no longer sure they haven't cost a team a game. It shouldn't be that way.
then that invalidates at least *some* of the "They didn't ask for this!" defense. Because they, well, did.
I'm not saying it's all their fault, because it isn't. Neither are they blameless, though. They took the job - as you say, it's what they all dreamed of. The bigs. The pros. The show. Well, with that comes a lot of scrutiny. They are bungling a lot of simple rules - the Saints game yesterday was a mess. Well, the Saints are a mess and they are playing like dog**** but aside from that, the refs were a mess.
It was slow. They bungled calls. 5 reversals. Huge missed plays right in front of officials - on both sides. (Note, I am not blaming the refs for the loss - the Saints deserved it. Ugh...)
You go to the NFL, with millions watching, then you deal with the 'cheer-onsequences.'
That includes people criticizing you for plays that you missed. Rules you didn't know. Blatant oversights. Things you did wrong.
We get that all refs miss huge calls. But there seems to be a growing discontent and compounding failure as the season grows on.
It really is hurting football.
I've said it before this year - and I'll say it again.
Goodell is an equivocating, duplicitous politician. He cares about ratings and image. Things like fairness and integrity and player safety are just words.
He's not good for football. At least not the football most of us grew up watching and loved.
I don't trust the guy. And would agree with the WSJ (I think it was the WSJ) who said last year that Goodell might be the worst commissioner in sports.
That's saying something when you're up against the likes of Selig, Bettman, and Stern.
"Most" is a pretty broad assumption. Lots of us have eyes and know what the rules are.
EX: Lestar Jean's TD reception that he didn't maintain control of all the way through the ground was mis-ruled by the official on the spot? Why? That official wasn't looking at the ball in Jean's hands, he was only watching the feet (which he incorrectly ruled OUT of bounds). He never, ever turned his head to watch the rest of the play to see Jean have trouble with control.
While the ultimate outcome of that play wasn't changed, it sure wasn't due to a correct "real-time" call.
As I see it, we've got TWO major issues with the replacement refs.
A) They keep screwing up procedural issues. (Extra downs, timeouts, wrong penalty yardage)
B) Rules are "looser" - (WRs getting mugged, DL getting mugged, chop blocks)
It's getting to the point where I'm no longer sure they haven't cost a team a game. It shouldn't be that way.
1. The reffing is horrible. No debate about it.
2. Steve Young's rant was spot on.
The Goodell run NFL is going to come down hard of Bellichick, I wouldn't be surprised to see a suspension, at the very least a stiff fine. Goodell doesn't like to let anyone show him up, and that is how he will view it after sending around the "play nice with others" memo last week.
Field goal kicks that pass directly over the upright are not reviewable because there is no camera which would help indicate in or out.
Bellicheck did not know whether it was directly above or not, and was asking for clarification about whether the play could be reviewed. It was a game deciding kick and he wanted to know if it was going to be looked at. None of the refs gave him any feedback. No wonder he was frustrated. Its not like he assaulted the guy, he just tried to catch up to him to get his attention
Fine should be coming. No suspension
"Most" is a pretty broad assumption. Lots of us have eyes and know what the rules are.
EX: Lestar Jean's TD reception that he didn't maintain control of all the way through the ground was mis-ruled by the official on the spot? Why? That official wasn't looking at the ball in Jean's hands, he was only watching the feet (which he incorrectly ruled OUT of bounds). He never, ever turned his head to watch the rest of the play to see Jean have trouble with control.
While the ultimate outcome of that play wasn't changed, it sure wasn't due to a correct "real-time" call.
As I see it, we've got TWO major issues with the replacement refs.
A) They keep screwing up procedural issues. (Extra downs, timeouts, wrong penalty yardage)
B) Rules are "looser" - (WRs getting mugged, DL getting mugged, chop blocks)
It's getting to the point where I'm no longer sure they haven't cost a team a game. It shouldn't be that way.
How many calls would the regular refs missed?
Remember the Steelers/Seahawks SB? I would rather have bad refs than crooked refs. I'm kinda enjoying this brand of football. Where WR's have to go across the middle with the fear of getting laid out like Heyward-Bey did yesterday. Or Vick getting pounded instead of being protected by the refs.
Old School football is back. They may miss a few calls, but replay corrects most of them. Considering how bad the regular refs are, the only difference is the amount of time that the replacement refs take to get the calls correct. As a fan I can live with this.
Could you stand him before the game?
The guy out works most HC's in the league. When you put that much time and effort into something, you're going to be overly emotional about stuff when things dont go your way.
Belichick is the greatest HC of his generation. IMHO
I get that some people dont like that fact he will do anything to get a win. But that's why they have a scoreboard. I respect guys like Belichick
And I didn't intend this thread to be about good or bad referring. Just because a call or calls are made against you doesn't give you the right to act like a douche.