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Gary Kubiak & Rick Smith given extensions
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GP
Go Texans!
No extension until mid season.
And if for some reason Kubiak leaves, there's a guy named Kyle Shanahan who would be on McNair's short list to be the next HC.
Yes, he's young. But he knows the offense and he'd be the quickest headache pill we could take for a Kubiak hangover if Kubiak walked.
And if Dennison could stay, and not follow Kubiak, I think Shanny Jr. would do just fine. The WRs loved Kyle when he was here...and the passing game was a lot more dynamic too. TexansChick documented how smart Kyle is in terms of understanding this offense and how he handles players.
And if for some reason Kubiak leaves, there's a guy named Kyle Shanahan who would be on McNair's short list to be the next HC.
Yes, he's young. But he knows the offense and he'd be the quickest headache pill we could take for a Kubiak hangover if Kubiak walked.
And if Dennison could stay, and not follow Kubiak, I think Shanny Jr. would do just fine. The WRs loved Kyle when he was here...and the passing game was a lot more dynamic too. TexansChick documented how smart Kyle is in terms of understanding this offense and how he handles players.
GP
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Oh yes, because that means he's the only one who has ever mis-identified a QB in the NFL.
Care to offer more reasons than just that one?
Kyle could do a lot with Yates and Keenum. Kyle has been raised in the ZBS run game and the patented Shanahan/Kubiak passing system. If there is, for whatever reason, a Kubiak departure...he would make sense.
If RGIII blows up and the Redskins do really well, there will be lots of eyes watching Kyle Shanahan and his handling of the offense. I expect Kubiak to be re-signed though, just saying there is a Wal-Mart brand of Kubiak we could test out if the brand name product were to be taken off the shelves.
Thorn
Dirty Old Man
This will be the 7th season with Kubiak. During the first six years we had two winning seasons and one playoff season. The only time this team has showed any true fire and spirit was AFTER Wade Philips arrived.
So if I don't go jumping on the Kubiak wagon just yet, yall will just have to get over it. I don't want Wade as head coach by any means, and I'm quite happy right now with the circumstances as they are, because they seem to be working. My fear is what happens when Wade leaves. Kubiak has done NOTHING in his career to show me he can handle the job without someone like Wade propping him up.
So if I don't go jumping on the Kubiak wagon just yet, yall will just have to get over it. I don't want Wade as head coach by any means, and I'm quite happy right now with the circumstances as they are, because they seem to be working. My fear is what happens when Wade leaves. Kubiak has done NOTHING in his career to show me he can handle the job without someone like Wade propping him up.
The Pencil Neck
Hall of Fame
I partially disagree and it's more of a semantic thing than anything else.
I think this team has shown fire and spirit and has worked hard for Kubiak in the past. The problem has been with Smithiak's choice of defensive coordinators AND Kubiak's desire to slant the practices in the favor of the offense. With Wade, we finally got a good defensive coordinator and he wouldn't go along with practices being slanted in the offense's favor.
My fear is Wade leaving and then another inexperienced position coach being promoted into his spot... and that new DC failing miserably. That being said, I really like Vance Joseph and I wouldn't mind too much if he was promoted, but I'd be afraid he'd fail in the position.
powda
The bridge between stupid and useless is short.
I remember Kshan liked Beck but I never heard anything about him wanting to draft Beck #10 overall. Thats kinda hard to believe. link?
GP
Go Texans!
So that's it? He makes a remark about the past and that indicts him as being unfit to be a head coach some day.
Hmm. I guess he would become the first Texans HC to make unilateral player choices in the Texans organization? Because, by the way, that's not how Bob and Rick roll. It's a collective decision making group, and that would not change with a new HC.
If we've learned anything, by now, it's that this team is not ran like the old Shanahan/Denver days when Mike Shanahan was both GM and HC. The Texans don't operate the way you suggest in a way where Kyle would unilaterally select his starting QB from the draft.
Therefore, Shanahan Jr. saying he liked Beck at #10 does not disqualify him from a future HC role somewhere. If it shows anything, he's candid about his past opinions and shows he's human like any other NFL person out there. 98% of the NFL world thought Houston was dumb for not picking Reggie Bush. People get player selection/projection wrong sometimes. They rarely lose their touch on how to teach or manage the game itself (See: Wade Phillips as a d-coord).
ChampionTexan
Hall of Fame
GP
Go Texans!
Whoever made the Amobi Okoye selection...whichever guy ultimately won that pick in the war room (through persuasion)...THAT guy, if we follow the same logic, should never be in an NFL war room ever again. However, Okoye had a solid Senior Bowl game and was a DL at a young age they thought would grow and get much better. Oops. A lot of people pegged Amobi as a reach--They were right. A lot of people saw sky-is-the-limit potential--They were wrong. At the end of the day, both those people are still somewhere and have probably made good or bad picks since the Amobi pick.
Guys get player projection wrong a lot. It happens everywhere and more often than it should. It's part of the gig.
What guys DO tend to get right, and stay consistent with, is how they teach or manage the game itself. Dick Lebeau is not suddenly going to lose his touch as one of the best d-coord's in the game. Neither will Wade. The constants that run throughout every GOOD team is that they have people who can identify talent better than others AND utilize that talent for a certain system they know and implement VERY well. Kyle Shanahan knows the ZBS run scheme AND the Kubiak passing game as good as anyone. And when your roster is as stacked for that as ours is, you have to consider it.
Kyle seems to think Beck, at that time, was worth making a run for. Other disagreed with him. It happens. One day, in another war room situation involving the same team personnel, Kyle might have a guy on his board that ends being a total star in the league and others voted it down on draft day.
I just find it curious that Kyle shares a candid comment and suddenly he's a loon bird. I guess that makes Kubiak a loon bird for giving Beck a roster spot before camp even begins.
Guys get player projection wrong a lot. It happens everywhere and more often than it should. It's part of the gig.
What guys DO tend to get right, and stay consistent with, is how they teach or manage the game itself. Dick Lebeau is not suddenly going to lose his touch as one of the best d-coord's in the game. Neither will Wade. The constants that run throughout every GOOD team is that they have people who can identify talent better than others AND utilize that talent for a certain system they know and implement VERY well. Kyle Shanahan knows the ZBS run scheme AND the Kubiak passing game as good as anyone. And when your roster is as stacked for that as ours is, you have to consider it.
Kyle seems to think Beck, at that time, was worth making a run for. Other disagreed with him. It happens. One day, in another war room situation involving the same team personnel, Kyle might have a guy on his board that ends being a total star in the league and others voted it down on draft day.
I just find it curious that Kyle shares a candid comment and suddenly he's a loon bird. I guess that makes Kubiak a loon bird for giving Beck a roster spot before camp even begins.
Kubiak >>>> lil Shanny 
We are going to have to accept the simple fact that Gary has at least two more years as Texans HC, and to be quite honest, I hope he's got 10+ more years because 2011 started a long playoff run for this franchise.
I will believe this reality until proven otherwise. Go Texans!
We are going to have to accept the simple fact that Gary has at least two more years as Texans HC, and to be quite honest, I hope he's got 10+ more years because 2011 started a long playoff run for this franchise.
I will believe this reality until proven otherwise. Go Texans!
GP
Go Texans!
Sigh.
Just squeezing this in, for posterity's sake (not squeezing something into a posterior, Texan Bill...get your mind out of the gutter)....
I would rather have Kubiak over Kyle any day. All I am saying is that IF the guy walks away or whatever, I don't want us hiring a HC who wants to change the offense. It works. It's built to last. We'd need a guy who has the oomph! to keep it going, and Kyle has been here before and knows the ropes.
Besides, the real HC would still stay the defacto HC (Wade Phillips) it's just a title thang.
Just squeezing this in, for posterity's sake (not squeezing something into a posterior, Texan Bill...get your mind out of the gutter)....
I would rather have Kubiak over Kyle any day. All I am saying is that IF the guy walks away or whatever, I don't want us hiring a HC who wants to change the offense. It works. It's built to last. We'd need a guy who has the oomph! to keep it going, and Kyle has been here before and knows the ropes.
Besides, the real HC would still stay the defacto HC (Wade Phillips) it's just a title thang.
The Pencil Neck
Hall of Fame
Sigh.
Just squeezing this in, for posterity's sake (not squeezing something into a posterior, Texan Bill...get your mind out of the gutter)....
I would rather have Kubiak over Kyle any day. All I am saying is that IF the guy walks away or whatever, I don't want us hiring a HC who wants to change the offense. It works. It's built to last. We'd need a guy who has the oomph! to keep it going, and Kyle has been here before and knows the ropes.
Besides, the real HC would still stay the defacto HC (Wade Phillips) it's just a title thang.
Why would Wade go for that? Serving as the DC under some punk kid?
If Kubiak goes, Wade is either the HC or he's gone. If Kubiak goes, we might be able to persuade Dennison to stay to be able to keep the offense going but that's about it. And if Kubiak goes to another team, he's probably going to want Dennison to come join him. If we've got him under contract, we can deny that.
GP
Go Texans!
Wade is already HC. I thought I made that clear.
When Kyle speaks, you'll see Wade's hand behind Kyle's back. Duh.
Wade will learn that being Bob's permanent DC is where it's at. It's the life of luxury for a guy like him. He just needs time to learn that.
The Pencil Neck
Hall of Fame
badboy
Hall of Fame
Other than a change of center & maybe a bigger full back would it take much to go from ZBS to a power scheme?Sigh.
Just squeezing this in, for posterity's sake (not squeezing something into a posterior, Texan Bill...get your mind out of the gutter)....
I would rather have Kubiak over Kyle any day. All I am saying is that IF the guy walks away or whatever, I don't want us hiring a HC who wants to change the offense. It works. It's built to last. We'd need a guy who has the oomph! to keep it going, and Kyle has been here before and knows the ropes.
Besides, the real HC would still stay the defacto HC (Wade Phillips) it's just a title thang.
On a smaller note, he's only had 2 losing seasons in that time.
powda
The bridge between stupid and useless is short.
Wow. My opinion of kshan just took a hit. Didnt know that...rep
Kubiak >>>> lil Shanny
We are going to have to accept the simple fact that Gary has at least two more years as Texans HC, and to be quite honest, I hope he's got 10+ more years because 2011 started a long playoff run for this franchise.
I will believe this reality until proven otherwise. Go Texans!
Me too ....
Kubiak's here to stay as long as this team is in the thick of things (10+ w's and one or more W's in the playoffs) ..... All this speculating on who would replace him , where he might end up is .... a waste of effort.
Thorn
Dirty Old Man
You should seriously consider politics for a living!
But, you are right. He's had two losing seasons, two 8-8 seasons, and two winning seasons. Which makes him perfect arguing material for fans.
You should seriously consider politics for a living!
But, you are right. He's had two losing seasons, two 8-8 seasons, and two winning seasons. Which makes him perfect arguing material for fans.
It's what I do.
You should seriously consider politics for a living!
But, you are right. He's had two losing seasons, two 8-8 seasons, and two winning seasons. Which makes him perfect arguing material for fans.
Considering what he had to work with in those two losing seasons .... Its hard not to give him a pass on those.
Then you factor in the two 8-8 seasons ....and think they could have done more.
Last years team was full of injuries yet still pushed the Ravens to the brink.
Why give Kubiak a pass on the 6-10 record of 2010? He had built that team for 5 seasons.
ChampionTexan
Hall of Fame
281
Veteran
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...ry-kubiak-and-rick-smith-contract-extensions/
The terms aren't out yet.
The terms aren't out yet.
ChampionTexan
Hall of Fame
Section516
Warrior
General manager Rick Smith and coach Gary Kubiak crafted and fielded a team that made a major breakthrough last season: the Houston Texans first trip to the playoffs.
Owner Bob McNair had major faith in both of them, and with that progress and payoff the contract extensions theyve both gotten are well deserved.
While fielding congratulatory messages, both Smith and Kubiak should make one important stop today in the office of defensive coordinator Wade Phillips to say thanks for his contribution.
They were smart enough to hire him, but the story of the Texans and the job security of Smith and Kubiak could be a far different tale but for the contribution of Phillips in his first year overseeing the defense.
Kubiak is an offensive head coach who calls the plays. Finding the right defensive "head coach" was a must for the franchise. And, coming out of a lockout, Phillips transformation of the group into a 3-4 with a real personality was nothing short of phenomenal.
His finger prints were on the draft selections of J.J. Watt and Brooks Reed, great fits for his system who made giant and immediate contributions. He saw how good Brian Cushing could be inside instead of outside. He voted for the plan that brought in Johnathan Joseph and Danieal Manning.
And, much to the Texans' relief, he took the pay bump McNair gave him late last season to pass on a trip to Tampa Bay to interview for the head coaching job.
Smith and Kubiak deserve applause and credit. I dont see them as the type to rest on their laurels now. The division is primed for the taking again, and a second division title in the row could indicate that the franchise is only at the start of something big.
Something that might never have really gotten started and might have been scrapped but for Phillips contribution.
http://espn.go.com/blog/afcsouth/post/_/id/37762/smith-kubiak-should-thank-phillips
Owner Bob McNair had major faith in both of them, and with that progress and payoff the contract extensions theyve both gotten are well deserved.
While fielding congratulatory messages, both Smith and Kubiak should make one important stop today in the office of defensive coordinator Wade Phillips to say thanks for his contribution.
They were smart enough to hire him, but the story of the Texans and the job security of Smith and Kubiak could be a far different tale but for the contribution of Phillips in his first year overseeing the defense.
Kubiak is an offensive head coach who calls the plays. Finding the right defensive "head coach" was a must for the franchise. And, coming out of a lockout, Phillips transformation of the group into a 3-4 with a real personality was nothing short of phenomenal.
His finger prints were on the draft selections of J.J. Watt and Brooks Reed, great fits for his system who made giant and immediate contributions. He saw how good Brian Cushing could be inside instead of outside. He voted for the plan that brought in Johnathan Joseph and Danieal Manning.
And, much to the Texans' relief, he took the pay bump McNair gave him late last season to pass on a trip to Tampa Bay to interview for the head coaching job.
Smith and Kubiak deserve applause and credit. I dont see them as the type to rest on their laurels now. The division is primed for the taking again, and a second division title in the row could indicate that the franchise is only at the start of something big.
Something that might never have really gotten started and might have been scrapped but for Phillips contribution.
http://espn.go.com/blog/afcsouth/post/_/id/37762/smith-kubiak-should-thank-phillips
Texan_Bill
Hall of Fame
Guys on the radio are speculating that maybe Kubes thinks he may be worth more after that 3rd year is done and didn't want to be locked into the current deal.
Its still interesting that he took the 3 years instead of 4...
Definitely has to be a reason behind it...
BoBBY loves him some Rick and Gary.
I would've extended them only 1-2 yrs.
Coughlin only got a 3 yr extention and he's won 2 SB's in 5 yrs.
I would've extended them only 1-2 yrs.
Coughlin only got a 3 yr extention and he's won 2 SB's in 5 yrs.
Agreed
But Coughlin has the rings.
I do believe Gary deserved an extention. But 3 yrs is an awfully long time for a HC that's only 2 yrs removed from a 6-10 season. What happens if Wade gets a HC job next offseason? Can we expect another 6-10?
Coughlin is 65 years old...Kubiak is 50...
I think the oldest coaches in NFL history were both 72...
Me thinks his age has something to do with the length of his extension....Maybe Coughlin and the team discussed it an they thought that would be a good age for him to re-evaluate his career...
badboy
Hall of Fame
What pay bump? I thought Wade was still under his original contract. I must dis-remember (if so, maybe I can pitch for Yankees) but thought Wade decided he wanted to finish what he started and was obligated to Texans? Can someone provide link about this "bump"?
The Pencil Neck
Hall of Fame
I had not heard about the bump before.
They should thank Wade.
As far as sitting on there laurels, after the much ballyhooed 9-7 season Gary decided to have an elective surgery (Sleep Apnea) during the combine, and left the scouting up to Rick and the rest of the scouts. This was followed by the KJ draft and a 6-10 season. Hopefully Gary learned from that.
1 playoff appearence = 3/4 yr contract extention. One SB tropy must = a lifetime in BoBBYs world.
ChampionTexan
Hall of Fame
Perki-Perk
DieHard Texan!
Do you ever not post hate about KJ... I saw the KJ reference, looked up and sure enough, it was my buddy steelbtexan. lol Why so much hate man? Why?
Did anyone think Cushing was an option outside in a 3-4?
He's probably banking on something in the next two years to deserve a pay bump.....it's not gauranteed, but it's almost guaranteed that he won't coach the final year of a contract.
