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Gary Kubiak criticizes Texans' practice effort
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Agreed, but a little foot in the ass never hurts once in a while.
GP
Go Texans!
I would call it a poor decision on two accounts: 1. Rewarding them before they had accomplished something, then 2. getting onto them when they took the reward and ran with it..err, uh...walked with it.
He gave them an afternoon off from weights, IIRC, when the two field goal kickers made their kicks. Everyone cheered, rightfully so, and the reward came AFTER an accomplishment on the field. This time, he rewarded them up-front and then they dogged it a little...how else did he expect human nature to react to an up-front reward? LOL.
For the record, I don't think Kubiak is crazy or dumb. I think this particular idea of his ended up biting him in the ass and now he's biting them in the ass for it. All in all, he's at least saying "You aren't pulling anything over on me."
We have to remember he's got an all-rookie pool of WRs out there with AJ and Walter out, a second-year QB, a lot of youngsters on the OL too. He's making sure they all understand their place in the world.
Seems like a "how mature are you guys?" measurement to me. If they pass muster, you're proud. If they fail, you got ammo to justify putting the boot up their backsides.
Parenting 101.
House of Pain
Wild Speculator
drs23
Veteran
GP, taking this in the full context of what GK said I'm not so sure I follow. He did the same thing with last year's team and they responded well. These guys din't. Thus he challenged them again.
I wasn't in the locker room after practice so I have nothing concrete to base on, but my bet is that there was some missing buttock when the players left and they have one more opportunity to prove themselves or the kid gloves are off.
Reference the video TC posted prior.
Again, just a guess/hunch on my part. We'll see if it ends differently tomorrow.
Texecutioner
Hall of Fame
Texan_Bill
Hall of Fame
I like this from Gary actually. Get after their asses!!!
Absolutely.... Expectations for this season are even higher than last year.
Gp, the team is full of players that were here last year and apparently handled it well. And you're saying they didn't earn it and you have no idea what you're talking about.
He may have liked the way they had practiced in the days leading up to that day.
They may have done well in meetings. They could have just given extra effort for a practice prior.
Coaches do this stuff all the time. This is fairly insignificant at this point.
GP
Go Texans!
Oh sure, I know full well it is insignificant at this point. But then again what else is there to talk about? I just found it amusing that he rewarded them and then they slacked up a little bit.
When I get rewarded, I tend to think (as most self-serving humans like me do) that it means I have done well enough to maybe slow down and enjoy life a bit more. Admittedly, we work our hardest when we think people are not pleased with us.
I was remarking how Gary was a bit put out with the guys dogging it out there...when in reality, it's freaking OTAs and really none of them need to be rewarded with anything other than proper amounts of drinking water and "good job, guys" from the coaches. If it's a long road to the Super Bowl, what is ANY coach doing with the mindset that OTAs are meant for taking a day off and hitting the paintball field?
Well, I couldn't watch the video due to download problems. Will have to try again tonight.
I was going off the text of the quote, which sounded like Gary was shocked that the team isn't Super Bowl-ready right now in OTAs. My suggestion, since I am good at giving unsolicited advice free of charge to those who don't give a ****, is for Gary to stop rewarding and just GATA--Get After Their Asses.
LOL. Absolutely! Our future hinges on this!
badboy
Hall of Fame
Totally disagree, as a leader I have used same technique very successfully. Kubiak could care less about this incident. He will use it to remind them later that he tried to do right thing. "Look, I wanted to be nice to you guys but look how you acted way back in OTA's and you went sideways on me. Now the team will motivate itself. He just bound his players even tighter to him. Perfect psychological move.
GP
Go Texans!
I don't think we disagree all that much, actually.
If anybody can spin things, it's Gary. He'll definitely leverage this incident to help the effort out somewhere down the line. He's had those guys stick it out through the lean years, which means he's got their loyalty, so I think we agree on that. I do.
I'm just saying that OTAs is a bit early for him to reward. He already gave them a reward a few days ago. I think rewards have to be used sparingly or you create a reward-heavy culture whereby it becomes expected that you're going to get rewarded for everything. Make it special. Make it count.
Texans_Chick
Utopian Dreamer
Not a bfd.
They did a lot of different things today and a very very fast tempo. Few drills before they jumped right into two minute drill stuff. It was 86 degrees no wind a lot of young guys.
I'm guessing tomorrow's practice is better.
They did a lot of different things today and a very very fast tempo. Few drills before they jumped right into two minute drill stuff. It was 86 degrees no wind a lot of young guys.
I'm guessing tomorrow's practice is better.
Wolf
100% Texan
agree with he is making sure they know their place. I think with this early in the season. He wanted to see how the youngsters responded to some "easy time"
I also agree with TC it is no BFD this early in the season (technically) but I think he is sending a message to the youngsters to be ready when the hitting starts.like my dad says you practice how you are going to play.(granted OTA's cant have hitting...cough *seahawks* cough)
TexansRule1
Practice Squad
I like this strategy and am thinking about incorporating into my managerial style. He is saying you have to deserve any perk I provide you. I can take it away at any moment.
He can add additional perks, minor perks that he can keep in place on a permanent basis as long as the team shows a high level of energy. Further, it keeps the players accountable to each other to maintain that standard.
Contrast this to a single goal which creates a let up when achieved.
He can add additional perks, minor perks that he can keep in place on a permanent basis as long as the team shows a high level of energy. Further, it keeps the players accountable to each other to maintain that standard.
Contrast this to a single goal which creates a let up when achieved.
rush2112mn
Rookie
I think we can call it ........Helmetgate 2012......
welsh texan
You may say I’m a dreamer but I’m not the only one
This seems like a bit of a change from Kubiak, I don't think I've seen him comment on practices negatively before, but I may be wrong.
Frankly, I'm glad to see him holding his players to account, lets not forget that the roster is expanded from previous years quite a bit, with a much higher % of rookies than before, and as much as we're all excited about so many of the UDFA prospects we've signed, you know the level of quality is lower overall because there is a reason why each of these guys went undrafted, and the more I hear about them being great prospects, the more I think attitude etc must have contributed to their falling out of the draft.
I'm probably overanalysing though, its one bad day/one bad session even and I'm sure at this time of season the coaches will take any excuse they can to light a fire under their players and get them giving that little bit extra.
Good to see Gary getting after people though, he's normally very calm and composed in public.
Frankly, I'm glad to see him holding his players to account, lets not forget that the roster is expanded from previous years quite a bit, with a much higher % of rookies than before, and as much as we're all excited about so many of the UDFA prospects we've signed, you know the level of quality is lower overall because there is a reason why each of these guys went undrafted, and the more I hear about them being great prospects, the more I think attitude etc must have contributed to their falling out of the draft.
I'm probably overanalysing though, its one bad day/one bad session even and I'm sure at this time of season the coaches will take any excuse they can to light a fire under their players and get them giving that little bit extra.
Good to see Gary getting after people though, he's normally very calm and composed in public.
TEXANRED
Texan-American
Yep. Superbowl or stay home!
SheTexan
Hall of Fame
LOL!! Read my mind! BUT, since I still get hammered for being "upset" I was remaining silent! THANKS for making me feel I'm not alone with my thoughts!!
As for the topic of the thread! LESSON learned, if they're smart! If not, they can go play for the Cowboys!
TexanSam
Hall of Fame
Pretty sure Kubiak criticized last year's team as well. Maybe not for this particular practice, but during training camp.
LOL!! Read my mind! BUT, since I still get hammered for being "upset" I was remaining silent! THANKS for making me feel I'm not alone with my thoughts!!
As for the topic of the thread! LESSON learned, if they're smart! If not, they can go play for the Cowboys!
I totally was expecting SheTexan to post that remark.
SheTexan
Hall of Fame
Texans_Chick
Utopian Dreamer
Every year GK complains about a practice or two.
Every year they practice better the next day.
Just how it is. Do you do your job just as good every single day? Especially when you are learning something new. Nope.
Every year they practice better the next day.
Just how it is. Do you do your job just as good every single day? Especially when you are learning something new. Nope.
Actually, this is the first time I get the feeling he's using the media to talk to his team. That's never been his M.O. before.
But again, we're in uncharted waters, trying to follow up our most successful season to date with an equally successful, if not more successful, season.
I think this season is going to be one heck of a ride.
Texan_Bill
Hall of Fame
Don't bother TK.... GP is in his "zone". Remember, he said up thread that if GK won 6 Super Bowls, GP would still think he sucks!
drs23
Veteran
TK. I've heard him talk about not being pleased with the way they practiced/finished several times before. IIRC he even had them on the field instead of the bubble prior to leaving for a game because he wasn't pleased with the practice the day prior. Too lazy to research an article but it's happened before. This isn't a new "MO".
GuerillaBlack
Hall of Fame
#Good Job!! Good Effort!!
Texan_Bill
Hall of Fame
I don't think anyone is missing a LB who was a two down player for the money he was making. Was he a "good locker room guy"? Sure he was!! Was he a fan favorite? Sure he was (myself included)!! Although it's pretty clear that DeMeco is better suited in a 4-3, not a 3-4.
That said, overpaying for fan favorites is pretty stupid.
Signed,
The Steelers and Patriots
Do I think Bradie James is the answer? Not so much. I hope he'll be servicable at a lot less money.
DeMeco..... I think he will have a Pro-Bowl (if there is one
this year) in Philly and will totally be the leader that their defense needs.Remember folks, it's about the name on the front of the jersey, not the back.
Vinnie
with an I E
Leave that poor kid alone, LOL!
Vinnie
with an I E
So you're saying we're not getting David Anderson back?
GP
Go Texans!
What??? Every year he sends subtle messages to the players via the media...ESPECIALLY during OTAs and camp.
Where've you been?
Every year, he tells us about what's going on in Camp..... they did this, we tried that.... they loafed a bit.... etc..
This is the first time I've heard him say, "I threw them a bone, they failed to meet my expectations, I will give them another shot tomorrow... "
He's called a player or two out, sort of, "He has to play big for us this year." " We expect him to take a big leap this year" that kind of thing.
But this is different. Subtle, but different.
So in your opinion what does it ultimately mean...
That he knows this is a different situation, that maybe it's time to try to get to the guys through another avenue....
A lot of people here are, "We were 'this' last year" or We had 'that' last year" "So we should be able to do....... 'x' this year"
& it just doesn't work this way. Gary Kubiak's biggest enemy this year is last years success.
GP
Go Texans!
How is this different? LOL. You're pulling a Bill Clinton semantics on us here. "It depends on what "is" means..." -- Bill Clinton. Furthermore, when he says he'll give them another shot the next day,m it's not like anybody's getting cut and it's not like he's going to make them run to Pasadena and back in full pads. He's simply saying that, obviously, they get another shot to come out the next day and prove him wrong or they'll get another ass chewing from him.
He has chided them as a group, he has chided them individually. He has been subtle. he has been overtly open about his meaning/context.
It took me all of 20 seconds to search for it on Google and I'll post only one of about 2,000 examples that you and I, or anybody else for that matter, could find on this issue. The two quotes are at the end of this post.
Gary Kubiak has called players out, by name, and has said "He needs to get better" or "That kid is good, but he has trouble with consistency out there" I mean, seriously...it's not even up for debate. if anything, Gary has always been a bit grumpy in camp and OTAs. He uses his comments, every year, to motivate the guys individually and as a group.
Gary Kubiak has never been one to skirt the issue(s) of OTAs and camp, whether it is individual players or the group as a whole. I don't see anything different now compared to years' past. It's the same old schtick, different year.
Below are quotes from camp in 2010. He was all over Ben Tate's ass, trying to motivate him. Nothing subtle, and nothing new. Standard operating procedure, actually.
Here's the link to Gary Kubiak making not-so-subtle hints at which players are needing to step up.
GP
Go Texans!
What happened is this:
1. Last week, the two kickers made kicks, which actually if we put it under scrutiny we find out that Graham missed a lot of kicks...so I don't know what standard Kubiak was using to measure what parameters guaranteed the players an afternoon off from the weight room, but oh well. He gave them an afternoon off. Good for them. The key here is that he rewarded them AFTER practice had concluded, not before practice had begun.
2, Gary then turns around a few days later and allows them to practice without helmets, and he gets angry about their tempo or their effort during that practice. The problem, IMO, is that he rewarded them before they did anything to earn it.
To me, I think Gary is more pissed off at himself for having rewarded them the second time and then it turns out they loafed on him as a result. Lesson to be learned is that you give the reward AFTER practice, not before practice begins.
Anybody here get a bonus at your workplace for a job you haven't done yet? Anybody here give your kid their allowance money BEFORE they did their chores? Rewards come after, not before. Seems to me like it's a basic, elementary function of the reward system. Gary ignored the way the system naturally works, and the result was predictable. Bet he doesn't do it again, though. LOL.
Gary's a good dad. He won't reward his kids too early the rest of the way.
1. Last week, the two kickers made kicks, which actually if we put it under scrutiny we find out that Graham missed a lot of kicks...so I don't know what standard Kubiak was using to measure what parameters guaranteed the players an afternoon off from the weight room, but oh well. He gave them an afternoon off. Good for them. The key here is that he rewarded them AFTER practice had concluded, not before practice had begun.
2, Gary then turns around a few days later and allows them to practice without helmets, and he gets angry about their tempo or their effort during that practice. The problem, IMO, is that he rewarded them before they did anything to earn it.
To me, I think Gary is more pissed off at himself for having rewarded them the second time and then it turns out they loafed on him as a result. Lesson to be learned is that you give the reward AFTER practice, not before practice begins.
Anybody here get a bonus at your workplace for a job you haven't done yet? Anybody here give your kid their allowance money BEFORE they did their chores? Rewards come after, not before. Seems to me like it's a basic, elementary function of the reward system. Gary ignored the way the system naturally works, and the result was predictable. Bet he doesn't do it again, though. LOL.
Gary's a good dad. He won't reward his kids too early the rest of the way.
