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Can we start next season with Schaub, Yates and Keenum at QB?

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Assuming Schaub is healthy or close to healthy?

I'm not saying don't bring a vet QB in to get in the mix (even though I'm not sold that one will be brought in). What I'm asking is how comfortable would you be with Schaub, Yates and Keenum on the roster as the QB's?

My thinking is that Schaub will try to push to play in game 1. I'm not sure if that goes according to plan, but I think that's what he'll be gunning for. I'm skeptical about that happening, but I'm hopeful that he'll be back within the first 4 games of the season.

I'm actually pretty high on Yates. I like what he did last year all things considered. I also think that he will have grown some since last season and he will be an improved player at the QB position. He isn't a seasoned vet, but he will have been through some pretty tough wars and played in some tough situations. He's played in a home play off game and an away play off game against some pretty tough defenses. He's played in a play-off clinching victory that came down to a last second throw. He's had some ugly games and some decent games. He's played with Andre and without him.

I think he's about as good as a back-up as we'll find for us. I'm pretty high on Keenum, but I need to see him play in our system before I can talk about what I think his prospects are. I think he has the ability, but I just don't know what to expect. I think getting used to the pace of the offense and the rythm of what we do will be his biggest struggle.

Schaub, I don't know what to expect there. He's obviously the best option if healthy, but that's the problem...If healthy...

Maybe if Schaub is definitely going to be out pick up Delhomme to get back in the mix. But overall, I'm going to say that I feel about as comfortable with this group heading into the season as I would about bringing in some street FA's....

What say you?
 
I have a lot of faith in Schaub being the starter with Yates backing him up. Keenum is a prospect, we'll see what happens as we develop him.

But, I'd feel a lot more comfortable with a QB other than Schaub on the roster who has at least a full season under his belt.
 
In the hypothetical scenario of Schaub starting week 1...I am comfortable with Yates and Keenum.

Kubiak is going to be very tempted to put a vet QB on there, though, but I personally think Keenum should be the QB3 here no matter what.
 
GP said:
In the hypothetical scenario of Schaub starting week 1...I am comfortable with Yates and Keenum.

Kubiak is going to be very tempted to put a vet QB on there, though, but I personally think Keenum should be the QB3 here no matter what.
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I wouldn't be suprised to see Keenum on the Practice Squad, and a veteran like say Beck come in to start the season. However if Case impresses Kubes who knows!!!

Obviousley everyone knocks Keenum on his size, but he's almost he's a tiny bit bigger than Drew Breese.
 
Big Lou said:
I wouldn't be suprised to see Keenum on the Practice Squad, and a veteran like say Beck come in to start the season. However if Case impresses Kubes who knows!!!

Obviousley everyone knocks Keenum on his size, but he's almost he's a tiny bit bigger than Drew Breese.
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If its Schaub , Yates and Keenum , Keenum will make the 53.


Gary learned his lesson about carrying 2 QB's and has said as much ....

The question when it comes to Keenum making the final 53 is .... "do they bring in a vet" who will push him to the PS or .....
 
Any chance they'll bring back Delhomme or Garcia again? I'm comfortable with Schaub and Yates, but would like to see them add another veteran just in case.
 
Corrosion said:
If its Schaub , Yates and Keenum , Keenum will make the 53.


Gary learned his lesson about carrying 2 QB's and has said as much ....

The question when it comes to Keenum making the final 53 is .... "do they bring in a vet" who will push him to the PS or .....
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If they didn't bring in a vet, or if a vet was brought in but didn't make the final 53, would you be ok with the Shammy, Yates and Keenum trio?
 
Until I see Schaub in uniform and throwing the ball, I'm thinking Yates will be starting the year. I'd much rather have Schaub healthy and starting, Yates backing up and Case learning. That would be ideal. But I'm just not convinced yet Schaub is coming back on time.

If that happens, Kubes will stick with Yates and bring in a verteran backup from somewhere, leaving Case still 3rd string and learning.
 
Rey said:
If they didn't bring in a vet, or if a vet was brought in but didn't make the final 53, would you be ok with the Shammy, Yates and Keenum trio?
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Yes ....Schaub will be ready for the opener. Yates behind him is enough to win with. If the 3rd guy has to play , we're </////////}'d.
 
I think the Texans have to bring in a Vet.

Like Corrosion stated, if we are down to third string, we are </////////}'d. Again

Case to the practice squad. (unless he somehow impresses the hell out of Kubiak)

I am not knocking Case, but would need time, (like TJ didn't get to do) to fully grasp the offense,plus the speed of the NFL
 
Schaub will be fine for the season opener... I've been through this process and was fine after 6 weeks. Yates will be THE backup and IF somehow/someway Schaub is not ready Yates will get the start. There is no veteran QB they will bring in that leap frogs TJ. You guys must be nuts if you think they will shatter the confidence of Yates by sitting him in favor of a veteran reject that we sign off the street. Yates did well last year and has now finally had time to master the system and continue to grow...
 
texasam82 said:
Schaub will be fine for the season opener... I've been through this process and was fine after 6 weeks. Yates will be THE backup and IF somehow/someway Schaub is not ready Yates will get the start. There is no veteran QB they will bring in that leap frogs TJ. You guys must be nuts if you think they will shatter the confidence of Yates by sitting him in favor of a veteran reject that we sign off the street. Yates did well last year and has now finally had time to master the system and continue to grow...
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How old are you sam? And what's your occupation? Just axin.
 
If Schaub isn't ready to start by Week 1, then no. I would not feel comfortable at all about our chances with Yates as the starter and Keenum as the backup. I'd rather have a veteran QB backing up Yates in that scenario.

If Schaub is healthy, then yes, I think Schaub/Yates/Keenum is very likely.
 
drs23 said:
How old are you sam? And what's your occupation? Just axin.
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Who is sam? I was 22 when the injury occurred. At the time I was a collegiate wrestler, fairly large amounts of stress on the ole tootsies. Why?

And furthermore, does ANYONE really think we will sign a vet that would be better prepared than Yates?

Schaub will be just fine for the opener regardless. Cmon mannn
 
I am hopeful that Schaub will be ready to go. If not they will bring in a vet to back up TJ, who will be going thru his first full off season program. Keenum will be the #3 and if he has to play, I don't think we will be in any worse shape when our #3 had to start last year.
 
Schaub, Yates, and Keenum would be fine as far as I'm concerned. Based on my memory Yates has started and won games in the NFL now and is not a rookie. In my book that makes him our "veteran backup" in this scenario. Keenum is learning until he proves otherwise at this level.

I'd be fine with Schaub, Yates, and Delhomme with Keenum on the practice squad this year too. That would work. Not so interested in Garcia anymore. Delhomme is 37 and can still start I think. Garcia is 42 and I'm pretty sure he's done.
 
I don't know who you would bring in to start in place of Schaub if he's not healthy. Yates has played in the system. He will have a full training camp plus what he played last year and I'm not sure who you could bring in (other than Garcia or Delhomme, who were brought in the mentor but not threaten Yates) that has had much experience in this system. I doubt we are going to find someone who is much better of a backup than Sage was.

Mike
 
Texanmike said:
I don't know who you would bring in to start in place of Schaub if he's not healthy. Yates has played in the system. He will have a full training camp plus what he played last year and I'm not sure who you could bring in (other than Garcia or Delhomme, who were brought in the mentor but not threaten Yates) that has had much experience in this system. I doubt we are going to find someone who is much better of a backup than Sage was.

Mike
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I think it might be more wondering who would backup Yates if Schaub isn't healthy? I'd like Delhomme back, but it sounded like he was ready to go back and enjoy being retired after the season. Hopefully we don't have to find out though.
 
TexanSam said:
I think it might be more wondering who would backup Yates if Schaub isn't healthy? I'd like Delhomme back, but it sounded like he was ready to go back and enjoy being retired after the season. Hopefully we don't have to find out though.
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Ryan Leaf.
 
i know kubes will never do it but i wish we would go in with only two QB's and use the extra spot for a D or O player
 
Norg said:
i know kubes will never do it but i wish we would go in with only two QB's and use the extra spot for a D or O player
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He did it in the past when it was Schaub and Rosencoptor .... He learned his lesson and has had three since.
 
Corrosion said:
He did it in the past when it was Schaub and Rosencoptor .... He learned his lesson and has had three since.
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Do you think that had anything to do with the fact that schaub as been injured so much?

He may be gun shy about 2 qbs now, but i think there are a few teams that go with 2 qbs. Of course these teams have qbs that almost never miss time.

Other than delhomme I'm seriously wondering what qb out there id feel ok with running the show for a while.

Even if schaub is back I'll still feel like seeing the back up qb at some point is a very realistic possibility. And if we have the back up in then the chances go up the third guy plays.

Keenum may end up as that third guy. I'm good with that at this point. Need to see him play for us first though.

But I guess my point is that our qb depth probably matters more than most teams. Are you guys comfortable with Yates and Keenum just in case schaub needs more time, has a setback or injures something else?
 
Matt wont start the season so its a mute point. Yates will be the #1 until Schaub is completely healthy, AND if TJ is lighting it up and we are on a roll, then Matt may not see the field again as a Texan. You dont extend a player who hasnt proven he will stay healthy "on the field", so Matt doesnt get a new contract unless he plays the majority of the games this year and stays healthy and plays like a top notch starter. Otherwise you roll with the kid if he impresses after a full camp and getting time with the first team. Case will have a chance to make the team, but I think we grab a vet to back up Yates to start the season, then if Matt gets cleared we can put Case on the PS and let Matt be #2 out of respect.
 
ckhouston said:
Matt wont start the season so its a mute point. Yates will be the #1 until Schaub is completely healthy, AND if TJ is lighting it up and we are on a roll, then Matt may not see the field again as a Texan. You dont extend a player who hasnt proven he will stay healthy "on the field", so Matt doesnt get a new contract unless he plays the majority of the games this year and stays healthy and plays like a top notch starter. Otherwise you roll with the kid if he impresses after a full camp and getting time with the first team. Case will have a chance to make the team, but I think we grab a vet to back up Yates to start the season, then if Matt gets cleared we can put Case on the PS and let Matt be #2 out of respect.
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And you know this how ?


They made no attempt to shore up the position behind Schaub and Yates via draft or FA to this point. That should tell you something ....
 
Corrosion said:
And you know this how ?


They made no attempt to shore up the position behind Schaub and Yates via draft or FA to this point. That should tell you something ....
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I agree with your point. No way to know Schaubs injury status...

But in what ways were we going to shore up the QB situation?
 
ckhouston said:
Matt wont start the season so its a mute point. Yates will be the #1 until Schaub is completely healthy, AND if TJ is lighting it up and we are on a roll, then Matt may not see the field again as a Texan. You dont extend a player who hasnt proven he will stay healthy "on the field", so Matt doesnt get a new contract unless he plays the majority of the games this year and stays healthy and plays like a top notch starter. Otherwise you roll with the kid if he impresses after a full camp and getting time with the first team. Case will have a chance to make the team, but I think we grab a vet to back up Yates to start the season, then if Matt gets cleared we can put Case on the PS and let Matt be #2 out of respect.
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moot
 
Corrosion said:
And you know this how ? I can read.

They made no attempt to shore up the position behind Schaub and Yates via draft or FA to this point. That should tell you something .... It does. Tells me they like how Yates is looking and what he did in the offseason to improve as a QB in this system.
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Answered your question and commented on your comment in red.

Funny no matter how many articles people post about that type of injury, the chance (or lack thereof) of full recovery, and realistic projected partial recovery time ... all some want to do is focus on Gary and Matt with the smoke screen "right on schedule" comments.

They are right on schedule for that injury ... as it has none.
 
So you really believe that this front office is so inept that it would not shore up that position via FA or an early draft pick if it were truely concerned that Schaub would not be ready .... They'd go with Yates , Keenum and whatever reject they could pick up off the scrap heap?


I find that very difficult to believe about the most important position in football .... even if they think Yates can get it done , they would need a backup.

They've said Schaub will be ready to go , everything they have done points to him being ready ....
 
Corrosion said:
So you really believe that this front office is so inept that it would not shore up that position via FA or an early draft pick if it were truely concerned that Schaub would not be ready .... They'd go with Yates , Keenum and whatever reject they could pick up off the scrap heap?


I find that very difficult to believe about the most important position in football .... even if they think Yates can get it done , they would need a backup.

They've said Schaub will be ready to go , everything they have done points to him being ready ....
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To be fair, the this same regime sat on Ahman Green until it was apparent he just didn't have it. They kept holding on to a thin hope that he'd come back and be able to play. Slaton was injured and they kept running him out there for a year until it was apparent that he didn't have it anymore...

But all that aside, I don't think it says they are inept that they didn't address QB via FA or the draft. They may not have cared for any of the mid tier QB's over Yates, and I don't think they ever even entertained trading up for one of the top 3.

Who was available via free agency that would have come in and started over Yates? Manning?

I made mention of this before FA even started, but the Texans were in a tough situation with the QB position. If you think that theres a chance Schaub will be healthy you don't go out and get a serious upgrade like Peyton (no guarantees about his health either) and you don't trade away your whole draft for a top QB....

Then, what middle of the road street free agent are we bringing in that will beat out Yates?

And really, they can still bring in some vets if they choose...

I just think they are in a tough situation...
 
Rey said:
Other than delhomme I'm seriously wondering what qb out there id feel ok with running the show for a while.
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That's a good question. From WalterFootball, the FA QBs available are:


1) Dennis Dixon
2) Billy Volek
3) Donovan McNabb
4) Vince Young
5) Matt Leinart
6) A.J. Feeley
7) J.P. Losman
8) Kyle Boller
9) John Beck
10) Luke McCown
11) Jake Delhomme
12) Max Hall

None of those guys gives me a warm, fuzzy feeling. Maybe Dennis Dixon -- he didn't look too bad from what I can remember. Delhomme would be my first choice because he's got some experience with the system now, Dixon my second because he's got the most potential, and finally Leinart my third although he didn't look great against the Jags. Everyone else there is just a toss-up.
 
The Pencil Neck said:
That's a good question. From WalterFootball, the FA QBs available are:


1) Dennis Dixon
2) Billy Volek
3) Donovan McNabb
4) Vince Young
5) Matt Leinart
6) A.J. Feeley
7) J.P. Losman
8) Kyle Boller
9) John Beck
10) Luke McCown
11) Jake Delhomme
12) Max Hall

None of those guys gives me a warm, fuzzy feeling. Maybe Dennis Dixon -- he didn't look too bad from what I can remember. Delhomme would be my first choice because he's got some experience with the system now, Dixon my second because he's got the most potential, and finally Leinart my third although he didn't look great against the Jags. Everyone else there is just a toss-up.
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What about Dennis Dixon? I thought he was available. I think he'd be a good pick up for our offense.
 
Delhomme looked very good in his playing time at the end of the season, I actually thought he pretty much won that final game and they seemingly didn't want to take the win and certainly didn't want to go to overtime due to draft/injury issues.

I actually felt a little twinge after his display of maybe we should even have started him over TJ in the playoffs, not sure if I voiced that or not at the time, but I can see why they stuck with the rookie.

The thing you have to wonder is how much would it take for him to go through yet another training camp on a team? There has to come a point where these guys feel they've had enough of 2 a days etc (if they exist anymore, seems we're not far off pre-season being a couple of games of Madden to learn the playbook). Would Delhomme want to un-retire and go through it all again, if the money wasn't right or possibly even more importantly if he wasn't going to start.
 
welsh texan said:
Delhomme looked very good in his playing time at the end of the season, I actually thought he pretty much won that final game and they seemingly didn't want to take the win and certainly didn't want to go to overtime due to draft/injury issues.

I actually felt a little twinge after his display of maybe we should even have started him over TJ in the playoffs, not sure if I voiced that or not at the time, but I can see why they stuck with the rookie.

The thing you have to wonder is how much would it take for him to go through yet another training camp on a team? There has to come a point where these guys feel they've had enough of 2 a days etc (if they exist anymore, seems we're not far off pre-season being a couple of games of Madden to learn the playbook). Would Delhomme want to un-retire and go through it all again, if the money wasn't right or possibly even more importantly if he wasn't going to start.
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When you're Delhomme's age camp is nothing like the monster that rookies and young players face. You do what you need to do to get ready and precious little more. Of course he might not even want to do that. I agree though that he played well for us. I never bought the idea that Delhomme was as broken as he looked in Cleveland. Everybody who goes to Cleveland looks like crap. It's where careers go to die. He got out of there, got healthy, and looked immensely better here.

He could back up here another three years and I'd be fine with it.
 
Well, Kubiak was on the Radio around 12:30 ish and he said he definitley wants to bring in another QB...He said he and Rick are discussing whether that should be a vet or a young guy...

The way he was talking about Keenum though, it sounded like he has already made the team.
 
Rey said:
Well, Kubiak was on the Radio around 12:30 ish and he said he definitley wants to bring in another QB...He said he and Rick are discussing whether that should be a vet or a young guy...

The way he was talking about Keenum though, it sounded like he has already made the team.
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If he is talking like Keenum already made the team, and saying he needs to bring in another QB ... what does that say about Matts progress? Would he need four QB's in camp? Interesting.
 
ckhouston said:
If he is talking like Keenum already made the team, and saying he needs to bring in another QB ... what does that say about Matts progress? Would he need four QB's in camp? Interesting.
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Four QBs in camp is not that unusual. Actually, I think that's pretty much the standard number.

Although I'm trying to think back to last year and I only remember 3.

And I believe we should go forward as though Matt's not going to make it back for the beginning of the season. In that case, we'd want a vet to come in to be the #2 behind TJ. Not a lot of vets are going to want to do that.

And if Matt's not going to make it for TC, I wouldn't be surprised for them to pick up another UDFA QB as a camp arm in addition to the vet.
 
ckhouston said:
If he is talking like Keenum already made the team, and saying he needs to bring in another QB ... what does that say about Matts progress? Would he need four QB's in camp? Interesting.
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I think it was also discussed that Matt wouldn't be participating in a lot of the activities. They wanted another qb so Yates and keenum's arms didn't burn out. Basically Yates and Keenum are the only healthy qb's on the roster right now. We need another arm for camp.

And I'm not sold on schaub being back. I won't make any claims either way because I simply don't know.
 
I just want to know why so many people are certain Schaub won't start the year. From what I've read, he is expected to be back for training camp. If he is unable to return, I have no problem with Yates filling in until Schaub is ready.
 
TheGoldenGreek said:
I just want to know why so many people are certain Schaub won't start the year. From what I've read, he is expected to be back for training camp. If he is unable to return, I have no problem with Yates filling in until Schaub is ready.
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I'm concerned about his return because of his age, the location of his injury, the Texans history of injury reporting, but primarily because of information CnD posted just after he sustained the injury that indicated that it could be a year before he was fully recovered.

He's not a kid anymore. I think that's going to influence the speed of his recovery.

His injury was to his plant foot. That's going to mean he needs to be more fully recovered to really throw right. If it hadn't been his plant foot that was injured, he could come back at a lower percentage of recovery and perform. But since this foot is integral to his throwing motion, he needs to be well healed. (pardon the pun)

The Texans are notorious for saying a player is going to come back at a certain time and then that player not making it back at that time. So I disregard anything the Texans say about a guy being on schedule and being expected to be back at a particular point. I'll believe it when I see it.

Finally, CnD posted information indicating that it can take up to a year to be fully recovered from this injury. Granted, the same report said you could be fully recovered for normal, non-stressful work in about 8 months (iirc) but that's for non-stressful work for a normal human being, not a professional athlete who's putting stress on the foot and relying on it.

That's why I expect Matt to get PUPd and to be back mid-season, ready to play.
 
Having Shaub back is crucial as well as the key to us being dangerous in the NFL. This Team is built for shaub and we will have him back. I just hope the Texans play the I am better better than they have in the past. I am confident enough in TJ to go to Baltimore and had it not been for JJ we would have won that game. You Worry warts are making me laugh, from the looks of this front 7 on Defense I doubt the offence gets much time on the feild. I can hear it now"Miami going back to pass, oooooooooo its Watt for seven.
 
The Pencil Neck said:
That's a good question. From WalterFootball, the FA QBs available are:


1) Dennis Dixon
2) Billy Volek
3) Donovan McNabb
4) Vince Young
5) Matt Leinart
6) A.J. Feeley
7) J.P. Losman
8) Kyle Boller
9) John Beck
10) Luke McCown
11) Jake Delhomme
12) Max Hall

None of those guys gives me a warm, fuzzy feeling. Maybe Dennis Dixon -- he didn't look too bad from what I can remember. Delhomme would be my first choice because he's got some experience with the system now, Dixon my second because he's got the most potential, and finally Leinart my third although he didn't look great against the Jags. Everyone else there is just a toss-up.
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In my mind, Schaub is the starter, Yates is the backup, and Keenum is the #3. Until I see something that indicates Schaub cannot go, I will simply operate under the assumption that he can.

Now, if Schaub cannot go, then Yates becomes the starter and the Texans need a backup. I would select Billy Volek. He would be an excellent choice as a backup to Yates. He is 36 so he is a bit older but he is a crafty veteran. He could teach Yates some vet tricks. Since Volek is at the end of his career, he would understand his role is to be a backup and not someone competing to be a starter. He has played reasonably well when given the chance and could step in and right the ship.

Dixon is only 27 so he may be looking for a situation where he could compete for a starter's job rather than become the backup.
 
If Grossman gets cut would you guys like him here in Houston again as a back up?

Never mind he just resign on saturday.
3/17/2012: Signed a one-year, $1.3 million contract
 
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