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dalemurphy said:
Pardon me, but why should someone be punished for being CHARGED with a crime?
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It sets a bad example for his fans. It sets a bad example for the people who love the NFL. The NFL has every right to suspend him for off field issues. If he wants to be apart of something special (THE NFL) then he needs to be more responsible.
 
It sets a bad example for his fans. It sets a bad example for the people who love the NFL. The NFL has every right to suspend him for off field issues. If he wants to be apart of something special (THE NFL) then he needs to be more responsible.
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i don't agree with that...i think if the NFL wanted to better their public image they would have allowed payton manning to wear black hightops for johny u's death instead of fining chris redman for doing so...no one blames the NFL for off the field issues...and like i said they are not a judical body of this country...they are not exactly his employeers either...the texans are...they i believe have the power to punish him in whatever way they see fit...the nfl is another story i don't buy into them punishing him...i didn't happen on the field they should stay away from it
 
Hervoyel said:
I beg to differ with you on the comparison with a speeding ticket. It is very different than a speeding ticket. For starters a DWI conviction does not magically drop off of your record like a speeding ticket does after a set number of years (I believe it's 7 but I could be wrong about that). His drivers license (assuming he is convicted) will be suspended for some length of time. First offense it shouldn't be more than a year.

The state has completely lost it's sense of humor over DWI/DUI. I personally am a pretty "law and order" type of person but I think that much in the way the schools have gone overboard with their zero tolerance approach the law has gone overboard on first offenses for DWI/DUI. The prosecute it very zealously and have turned it into what (IMO) a second offense should be. Basically I feel like a first offense (regardless of how much money you make or what you do for a living) should be a lot closer to a speeding ticket (unless an injury accident is involved in which case it should escalate) and subsequent offenses should be big time hammer droppings that either set you straight or put an end to your driving days.
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I for one am happy that they have lost their sense of humor on this issue. It only takes one time to kill or maim someone for life. Talk to some parents of children who were killed by first time offenders, and I don't think they'll want it treated like a speeding ticket. After the fact is a bit late imo. You can't put that Genie back in the bottle. They are sending a message loud and clear that drinking and driving won't be tolerated, and I for one, am pretty happy about that.
 
keyfro said:
no one blames the NFL for off the field issues...and like i said they are not a judical body of this country...they are not exactly his employeers either...the texans are...they i believe have the power to punish him in whatever way they see fit...the nfl is another story i don't buy into them punishing him...i didn't happen on the field they should stay away from it
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The NFL suspended Leonard Little for eight games in 1999, but life went on and in 2002 the St. Louis Rams re-worked Little's contract, signing him to a five-year, $17.5 million deal.

The NFL WILL be involved.
 
I just wanted to make a note. It was May 5th. I remember 2 years ago I had a rough night. Of course, I couldn't drive. I don't thnk the position change is a factor. I am not going to prosecute somebody before the evidence. I know that there are many overzealous authority figures that would love to nab a celebrity. I will help put in perspective. At least, he did not pull a Kobe and get stuck in a scandal like that. I hope they don't get rid of him. He seems like an genuinely decent person who deserves a second chance. To forgive is divine.
 
Yes, I totally agree, lets have Marcus Coleman quartered and then fine him. I think we should hold athletes to way higher standards than regular people. Let's make sure he gets a severe punishment to teach him that he will not be treated like everyone else. In fact, I say we give him the same punishment Ted Kennedy got for driving drunk off a bridge and killing some woman(who wasn't his wife), then fled the scene to be found later at his house. Coleman has to learn that if you are going to drive drunk you better change your last name to Kennedy.
 
I hope they don't get rid of Coleman either. My fear is that the NFL steps in and does something. After all we are The Texans, not The Patriots or Colts or Packer or any other high profile team like that so it wouldn't hurt the NFL to suspend a player from our team meanwhile let the other players in the league take witness. That is my only fear.

I too believe that when Coleman has to answer to his teammates and fans, the embarassment and punishment will be all over him.

Also, I think we need to thank the good Lord that Coleman is still with us today and we aren't mourning over him. I sure hopes he learns from this.
 
wags said:
Yes, I totally agree, lets have Marcus Coleman quartered and then fine him. I think we should hold athletes to way higher standards than regular people. Let's make sure he gets a severe punishment to teach him that he will not be treated like everyone else. In fact, I say we give him the same punishment Ted Kennedy got for driving drunk off a bridge and killing some woman(who wasn't his wife), then fled the scene to be found later at his house. Coleman has to learn that if you are going to drive drunk you better change your last name to Kennedy.
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You are being dumb here.

"The NFL's guideline for a drunken-driving conviction is a fine of half a regular-season game check up to $20,000, barring unusual circumstances. Subsequent violations result in increased discipline as determined by the commissioner, Aiello said."

If you want to play in the NFL, you have to play by their rules. Its not that hard to understand.
 
wags said:
No, I'm being sarcastic here. Those aren't just planes flying over your head.
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Its kinda hard to tell if someone is being sarcastic on a computer. Its sometimes hard to comprehend your incoherent rambling.
 
DC_ROCK said:
It sets a bad example for his fans. It sets a bad example for the people who love the NFL. The NFL has every right to suspend him for off field issues. If he wants to be apart of something special (THE NFL) then he needs to be more responsible.
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Being charged with a crime does not mean that he's committed one! That's the point. The NFL has no right to punish someone simply for an accusation, whether the accusation was made by a policeman or anyone else... If he pleads guilty or is convicted of a crime, then the NFL has cause to consider punishment.

By the way, I don't think I need Marcus Coleman to set an example for me on how and when to operate heavy machinery.
 
First offense seeing that he refused the breath test will suspend his license for 180 days after his ALR hearing. If he had provided a breath specimen his license would have been suspended for 90. His case mainly will be based on his ALR hearing which determines whether or not the state has credible evidence to pursue his license suspension (the video taped sobriety test is key in this hearing). 90% of people who win the ALR hearing get the charges dropped. He will also have to get an occupational drivers license (if his license is suspended) which will only allow him basically to drive certain routes to and from work. He will also be ordered to drive between certain hours per day...usually from 7 am to 9pm.
 
STEEL BLUE TEXANS said:
so do you think he should be suspended from the NFL for a year or possibly banned? afterall, drug trafficing is a much more serious crime.
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I found this info on him a cpl months ago. They should have Banned him from the NFL! He is on my bad side any how after last month mouthing off! When you have money you get to walk. Look down the line of Movie Stars and Ball Players that have got in trouble over the yrs.
 
sprtsfanatic said:
Sounds like a standup kind of guy...he should be emmulated throughout the league...and you have the nerve to open your mouth about one of our Texans??? give me a break.
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easy up SPRTSFANATIC! You having a bad day? Need to look at my last post. I like the Texans too! ;-) Hope your day went well.
 
some of ya'll, i.e. CaptainPatriot, seem to want to deal out the punishment yourselves...even against your own player in ty law...which i find funny seeing how many years he's devoted himself to the new england patriots...not everything is as black and white as ya'll might like to believe...and remember he has only been charged with this misdemeanor i remind you...this isn't a felony...i know everyone has their own issues with me saying this but it's the law...it's only a misdemeanor...same as any traffic violations...and keep in mind this one the state does take more seriously...but speeding, not stopping at signals, and wreckless driving all kill people as well...so don't try and read too much into a DWI...people can blow a .09 and be given a DWI and that's a hundreth of a point above the legal limit...and with some people that's only 2 or 3 drinks...i know i'm a bartender...i see people leave my bar all the time get in their cars and leave...and i garentee you none of them should be driving...you want punishment to be so damn harsh because he's a player...that the nfl should get involved along with the texans...man i hope if you ever get pulled over for a misdemeanor your boss puts some extra punishment onto that so you know how it feels...i know let's get a camera crew out there too and show your picture all over the 6 o'clock news to everybody...the way this issue has been treated is silly...blown way out of purportion in my eyes...cause we hold our athletes to a higher standard...although good it does have it's bad points as well...remember you are a fan and should support your players and coaches with everything they do...not just through the good times
 
This will be dealt with by the NFL and the Texans and it will be dealt to Marcus himself. You have no authority to dish out any punishment so put a sock in it. We have the best front office in the NFL and they will deal whats fair. I will accept what they say and I will respect the innocent untill proven guilty rule. Every thing that is said about punishment is premature at this point. Patience is what will decide Marcus' and the teams fate.
I am sure Marcus will respect the "if you do the crime, then do the time" rule.
 
It sets a bad example for his fans. It sets a bad example for the people who love the NFL. The NFL has every right to suspend him for off field issues. If he wants to be apart of something special (THE NFL) then he needs to be more responsible.
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Isn't it ironic that Coleman was a featured part of the local evening news the day before he was arrested? He was giving a motivation speech to a school somewhere. He was talking to the kids about how he has just started a real estate business to supplement his life after football.

I am a season ticket holder and have been excited about the Texan secondary since the draft, but I will support the organization 100% behind any disciplinary action they take against Coleman, including releasing him. However, before any action is taken against him, he must be found guilty. As of now he is innocent until proven guilty.
 
Boxscore said:
...but I will support the organization 100% behind any disciplinary action they take against Coleman, including releasing him.
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I would NOT support the release him, that is a little too harsh. Roman Walker had a DWI last year, and all Capers did to him was give him a talk.

I dont think they are going to release him.
 
I do not want him to be released. I simply stated that I will support whatever the Texan organization decides to do. And I also strongly believe that no matter what decision they make, the defense that Coach Capers puts on the field will be sound.

I did not know about the finding of him passed out behind the wheel on US 59 in his past. Sounds like Marcus may still have a problem.
 
I don't like what happen, but the bail was set at a relatively low amount which would indicate may be this isn't a real big deal. May be he had a mechanical problem which of course resulted in him being tested. At least he's not a wife beater or any think like that. It was probably stupid on his part and hopefully he has learned a valueable lesson. In Fresno after the election a gentleman who had just been elected wound up having too much at his victory celebration and wound up with a DUI charge. Embarrassing, yes, but hopefully that's it. Its a personal mater which he will have to take care of and it happens to a lot of people. That doesn't make it right, but thank god no one was hurt or injured. The car can be replaced.
 
right...we can move on from this and hopefully be a wiser and better team because of this...coleman is a leader on this team and i expect him to take the punishment without compliant to show to the younger guys that he takes the responsiblity for his actions...that would speak volumes especially to the rookies to see a vet on the team show that kind of respect to the organization after a fault like this...coleman is a team player and i know he'll do the right thing
 
This type of behavior happens in all leagues. I expect the league will take the appropriate action as will the team.

He hopefully will learn a lesson as we all must sometimes-the hard way.
 
Don't forget, Marlon McCree is still on the roster and played a pretty god safety last season. Even if Coleman gets some sort of suspension, we may not miss too many steps!
 
I am very sad Marcus did this. This kinda of let me down on the type of person and morales he might have had. Everyone makes a mistake, very true, but Drinking and Driving is one of the worst things you can do. I hear a few who say.. "It is bad.. but not that bad.." Lose a daughter, son, friend, or someone to 'someone having a good time', and I think your opionon will change.

What do I think he should happen to him for punishment? No suspension, no release, no fine! I think his punishment needs to be for him to spend a certain amount of hours at the hospital (being on call) telling unlucky families the extremely hard job that thier family members or friends were injured or killed by drunk drivers that happens all to often. One of my friends recieved this punishment a few years ago in court... and it has stayed with him.. His quote "I didnt hurt anyone in my DWI, but after that experience.. I felt like each person I told about thier family members, I felt like it was my fault".

Just an Idea.
 
It is funny watching this. I really am suprised the NFL Oklahoma team fans aren't jumping on this to get some payback :D I am kidding of course.

Bottom line is this.. He made a mistake and Luckily noone was hurt. Coleman doesn't walk on water.. Heck even Steve McNair last year drank a little much. Many of us have drank a little much.

I think the problem with this is when people read "arested for DWI" the 1st thought is a person that is so drunk they can't walk and are stumbling all over. Sometimes that is the case and sometimes it isn't ..
State may prove intoxication in three (3) different ways:
- not having the normal use of physical faculties OR
- not having the normal use of mental faculties OR
- having an alcohol concentration of 0.08 or more.

Basically what that says is .08 is no doubt the line of charged with intoxication... I am sure you have seen some people drink one or 2 beers that have never really drank before.. well that is another way of DWI without the .08 boundary.. esp if you wreck or do something stupid..basically is that you can have lower than a .08 and still get a DWi.. (in general, and not saying Coleman was or wasn't lower than .08)

I read that Coleman didn't take the breath analyzer.. big whoop... almost everbody bypasses that if they think they are over .08 or have any doubts in their mind that they might be close. And if many of yall where in that situation.. you'd probably risk that too and get your "driving pass"

I am not defending Coleman, but some people seem to swing to the left and others to the right on the issue. And basically we don't know all the facts of the case or seen the tape of him that night.

All I know is that he drank and wrecked..Cops came and smelled alcohol on his breath... who knows after that.. heck all the wrecks I had.. no drop of alcohol here
 
Dime said:
I am very sad Marcus did this. This kinda of let me down on the type of person and morales he might have had. Everyone makes a mistake, very true, but Drinking and Driving is one of the worst things you can do. I hear a few who say.. "It is bad.. but not that bad.." Lose a daughter, son, friend, or someone to 'someone having a good time', and I think your opionon will change.

What do I think he should happen to him for punishment? No suspension, no release, no fine! I think his punishment needs to be for him to spend a certain amount of hours at the hospital (being on call) telling unlucky families the extremely hard job that thier family members or friends were injured or killed by drunk drivers that happens all to often. One of my friends recieved this punishment a few years ago in court... and it has stayed with him.. His quote "I didnt hurt anyone in my DWI, but after that experience.. I felt like each person I told about thier family members, I felt like it was my fault".

Just an Idea.
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To me a DWI class and something like you just stated would be good for people to do when they are getting to the age of 21 (or 18) when they are learning to drive.


What is wild and I have no problem with it is the New Mexico is trying to pass a bill that would require drivers to have that breath analyzer in the car and you would have to blow in it before the car would start on ALL vehicles.. and not just the people convicted of the offense
 
Wolf said:
What is wild and I have no problem with it is the New Mexico is trying to pass a bill that would require drivers to have that breath analyzer in the car and you would have to blow in it before the car would start on ALL vehicles.. and not just the people convicted of the offense
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Oh geez. How about a test for marijuana also before starting up the car while we are at it? Also, maybe a small laboratory would be good to have in the back seat so we can check for cocaine and other drugs the person may have in their system before letting them start the engine.
 
too funny :d They said on the radio about the new mexico thing is because New Mexico as a state has the highest DWI rates in the country and they are trying to lower that..
If I remember correctly it cost 1000 bucks to put it in the car.. I am not sure many people could afford to pay for that or would want to .. .Unless I guess a good insurance discount :confused:
 
keyfro said:
some of ya'll, i.e. CaptainPatriot, seem to want to deal out the punishment yourselves...even against your own player in ty law...which i find funny seeing how many years he's devoted himself to the new england patriots...not everything is as black and white as ya'll might like to believe...and remember he has only been charged with this misdemeanor i remind you...this isn't a felony...i know everyone has their own issues with me saying this but it's the law...it's only a misdemeanor...same as any traffic violations...and keep in mind this one the state does take more seriously...but speeding, not stopping at signals, and wreckless driving all kill people as well...so don't try and read too much into a DWI...people can blow a .09 and be given a DWI and that's a hundreth of a point above the legal limit...and with some people that's only 2 or 3 drinks...i know i'm a bartender...i see people leave my bar all the time get in their cars and leave...and i garentee you none of them should be driving...you want punishment to be so damn harsh because he's a player...that the nfl should get involved along with the texans...man i hope if you ever get pulled over for a misdemeanor your boss puts some extra punishment onto that so you know how it feels...i know let's get a camera crew out there too and show your picture all over the 6 o'clock news to everybody...the way this issue has been treated is silly...blown way out of purportion in my eyes...cause we hold our athletes to a higher standard...although good it does have it's bad points as well...remember you are a fan and should support your players and coaches with everything they do...not just through the good times
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No I want punishment to be harsh on any individual who gets behind the wheel with a over limit alcohol blood level not just ball players. As for devotion it goes out the window when you break the Law. We all make choices in life. Our Law System is to laxed. This is the 2nd time Coleman is in a traffic issue. You say we should support our players and coaches.Sorry I can`t support a coach who uses the University Credit Card to get a room with a Hooker! While his family is in another hotel. These are Adults making their own decisions. These are not mistakes. Now if a player or coach is wrongfully accused I can see your point. I would have more respect for Colman if he would have taken the Breath Test.
 
A lot of people don't take the breath test. Right or wrong, that is what a clients lawyer would recommend .. I hear that the breathe tests aren't exactly accurate. I don't know if Coleman went the blood test route after that or not. Also I read that whether you take it or not (the breath test), you are basically already charged with DWI.. so if what everybody says (defense lawyers) is true..why rely on a machine that supposively isn't accurate? you don't necessarily have to have a .08 to be considered "drunk" according to the state law. Mainly the law is saying .08 and it is a given... but ANY drug (whether Nyquil,beer or not) that affects your ability to function mentally or physically could be considered "DWI" if your abilities are impaired.. the part of not taking the test.. well you do get automatic suspension of your liscense (180 days or so? )


Patriot you are right.. our law is sometimes lax.. I have seen a one time offender get sentenced and then after that a 2nd time offender get sentenced.. The difference of the whole fine,probation,aa meeting etc... 100 bucks ... I couldn't believe that. I thought a 2nd time offender would be taken to the cleaners... but when I saw that was in 1989.. Laws have been becoming stricter thou.
 
Of course a lawyer will tell you not to do anything that could prove your guilt. Refusal to blow in a DWI investigation can result in suspension of your driver's license.
 
Do you guys actually he is going to have to do jail time??? He'll enter a plea where all he has to do is community service and pay a fine.
 
it's not something i like to admit, but i have received a dwi ... learned the hard way that i'm too skinny for the 3 drink rule. my penalties included a weekend in jail, 40 hours of community service, a year probation, liscence suspended for 90 days, a pair of mandatory dwi classes, and around $5,000 spent between court costs, fines, probation fees, and lawyer fees. from the folks i have talked to, that was about the average of what punishment they received. it didnt really have any effect on my work but then i'm not celebrity. i would expect about the same punishment for coleman with not much action from the nfl ... coleman knew better than i did & didnt take the breathalizer so he'll plead innocent or no contest and receive some of the above penalties i'd assume (1% chance of any jail time, not gonna happen). i dont think the texans will get on coleman too much but i would think they would try to get coleman to a counselor if for nothing else, public relations.

for reference, something i learned is that you have up to 2 hours to retake the tests and if you're sure you're legal, ask for a blood analysis instead of breathalizer.
 
For those of us who show up four hours before each home game. and leave two hours after it is a good idea to have a designated driver for a safe ride home. :cool:
 
Joe Texan said:
This will be dealt with by the NFL and the Texans and it will be dealt to Marcus himself. You have no authority to dish out any punishment so put a sock in it. We have the best front office in the NFL and they will deal whats fair. I will accept what they say and I will respect the innocent untill proven guilty rule. Every thing that is said about punishment is premature at this point. Patience is what will decide Marcus' and the teams fate.
I am sure Marcus will respect the "if you do the crime, then do the time" rule.
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Hey Joe Texan how can you tell me to "put a sock in it"! I`m not handing out Punishment. I`m saying the laws need to be changed. All it takes is THE 1ST TIME!It`s obvious that you have not lost a Love one to a drunk driver. My Parent`s next door neighbor lost the only granddaughter they had . She was celebrating her 18th Birthday. On the way home she was hit head on by a Drunk Driver never made it to her Graduation! The Grandparents have never been the same. Its like their heart was ripped out of their chest! That is why I have been so vocal about this thing (DUI of Colman). This is much bigger than NFL or Texans. It is like the Pink Elephant in the Living Room. It`s obvious that Colman has a drinking problem (IE:was found asleep on 59) Why wasn`t a Breath and blood test done then? You have to wonder what other times has he crashed into something before this? Only reason he got caught this time was beacuse he couldn`t get his car started and back on the road. Colman if you are reading this please get HELP! Your not drinking RESPONSIBLY! Because it is just a matter of time before you become a statistic IE:Rams Little :-( Hopefully this will be the wake up call you need! Joe Texan next time you tell me 'to put a sock in it" Think about the Families who Love 1`s didn`t make it home last night because someone got behind the wheel after not drinking RESPONSIBLY and unfortunately miss the tree and hit a Car or Pedestrian! I`m curious are they any people out there that have lost a love 1 because of a Drunk Driver? If there are you have my deepest Sympathy
 
A recent study found that a driver who is talking on a cell phone has reaction times 3 times slower than someone who is over the legal limit on alcohol. I think MADD needs to refocus their efforts and become MACP (Mother's against Cell Phones) if they want to save lives due to vehicle accidents.
 
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