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Based on last year's compensatory picks, we should get at least a 3 should Mario leave. Should Myers and any others leave, throw in a 4th. Maybe the plan is to trade up and fill holes with youth in the 2nd 3rd and 4th rounds.
But, you may be asking: Doppelganger, the Texans did get the final pick in 2011(a year later) wasn't that a compensatory pick?
In this case no. Another NFL rule is that there are only a handful of compensatory picks per year. In this case there were no other compensatory picks awarded in the 7th round for 2011. Thus since picks were available, they were handed out to teams based on draft order until they ran out. Texans happened to get the last pick due to record.
So, in your scenario, if we lose MW but sign any other FA, we get zilch. Its all about a net loss/gain and then it goes to contracts to determine value.
as Doppelganger eluded to, it's not as simple as that. Nobody really knows the formula. There was a guy on KFFL that got pretty damn close every year though.If we lose Mario, Dreessen, Brisiel, Myers, Barber, Allen and Rackers, we're -7. We don't have any money to go after any other FA's. Say we're able to convince Rackers and Brisiel to stay but lose the others. We're still -5.
Now, based on last year's compensatory picks, if the Panthers can lose Peppers and Feeley and get a 3rd, 6th and 7th, I think Mario, Dreessen and Myers would warrant better than that.
http://www.nfl.com/draft/2011/tracker#dt-tabs:dt-by-round/dt-by-round-input:3
If we sign Meyers, he cancels out Williams, right? Assuming we don't lose others
If we sign Meyers, he cancels out Williams, right? Assuming we don't lose others
Free agents have to qualify as significant... For instance, I believe Neil Rackers' contract to qualify two years ago. Hopefully the Vickers deal counts as well. Though we would get next to nothing for Vickers, he would make the current tally 2-0... which, as things stand at this moment, would mean a 3rd round pick for Mario.
I thought once they hit the open market they aren't considered ours anymore
In terms getting compensatory picks, what you really want is for the Bulman, Barberish type guys to sign qualifying offers to get your net loss up. Just out of functioning for 2012, the Texans wil probably sign two or three guys who qualify. For me, if comes down to a guy to help me win in 2012 versus pick number 100 overall in the 2013 draft then give me the player now.
If we lose them this year, then aren't the compensatory picks given in next years draft?
That all depends. Sign someone critical like Joseph or Manning and I am fine not thinking much about the compensatory implications. But, what if the decision comes down to:
- Sign some 2nd string lineman for $1 million and have to give up a top 100 pick next year
- Sign some 2nd string lineman for $650K and keep the top 100 pick
In that case, the second option looks a whole lot better than the first, even if the player's not quite as good. To say you don't worry about what you are losing in compensatory picks makes no sense - it's like placing no value on future draft picks.
I thought we released Vickers.
We need Mario to be healthy and have a dominant year this year. Unless we bring in Manning we should be in shape to get a 3rd round pick. I'd just hate to have him be hurt this season and then have 5 great years after that and we'd get nothing.
In this article it says playing time is part of the formula. This is for last season's draft, though. I don't know if any changes were made in the new CBA.
http://www.nfl.com/draft/story/0900...tributes-compensatory-draft-picks-to-23-clubs
Of course, the Texans would need to have a net 3 loss to be awarded these picks.So far the Texans are 3-0 in the comp pick running.
Players Lost (my estimate):
Mario (3rd)
Brisiel (5th)
Jason Allen (6/7th)
All three should qualify for picks. It would be nice to have lots of picks next year, because we will likely lose a lot of depth due to being up against the cap after re-signing Duane Brown, Schaub and Barwin.
No, the earliest compensatory selections occur between the 3rd and 4th rounds.My question is, can you receive a pick higher than the 3rd round?
Manning and some of the other players listed wouldn't count against the compensatory pick formula, because they are considered "street" free agents. They were cut or released rather than have their contracts expire.For example, would you value these players higher than a late 3rd round pick if they were in the draft this year?
Peyton Manning (QB)
Michael Bush (RB)
Brandon Lloyd (WR)
David Hawthorne (MLB/OLB)
Laron Landry (SS)
Reggie Nelson (FS)
Demetrius Bell (OT)
Marcus McNeil (OT)
Of course, the Texans would need to have a net 3 loss to be awarded these picks.
Mario (3rd) - absolutely
Brisiel (5th) - I think this is correct, seeing that the Vikings received a 5th after losing Matt Birk (whose contract averaged $ 4 million/year) to the Ravens.
Jason Allen (6/7th) - Haven't seen what Allen signed for. I think he will need to sign a contract that averages more than $2 million/year to get the pick in the 6th round.
Only if the free agents the Texans sign receive a qualifying offer (usually over $1 million/year). Plus, the Texans could still lose Dreessen and Rackers. I can't see the Texans going on a free agent spending spree that would endanger the Mario compensatory pick, and I think the Texans will wind up with at least 3.I also expect us to sign some scrapheap FAs, so we probably will cancel him out anyways.
Allen signed for 2/8.2Million! Whoa! Overpaid.
http://www.cincyjungle.com/2012/3/17/2881210/jason-allens-contract-for-two-years-and-8-2-million
Well, the system has been in place since the salary cap era began. Nothing new.Why would we get anything for a UFA? We could have signed them at any time during their period with the team and didnt, and now they sign with another team and we get compensated? That doesnt seem right.
Yes, maybe back-to-back picks in the 5th for Allen and Briesel. I thought the guy did an OK job for the Texans, but no way is he a $4 millon/year player. Cincy has too much cap room on their hands and no one wants to take it.Holy crap! That's great news for us! Might push his comp pick up to a 5th, or at least a 6th I would assume. Never thought he would get more than 2.5 million a year. I guess the Bengals are hard up after not signing any free agents before yesterday.
Of course, the Texans would need to have a net 3 loss to be awarded these picks.
Mario (3rd) - absolutely
Brisiel (5th) - I think this is correct, seeing that the Vikings received a 5th after losing Matt Birk (whose contract averaged $ 4 million/year) to the Ravens.
Jason Allen (6/7th) - Haven't seen what Allen signed for. I think he will need to sign a contract that averages more than $2 million/year to get the pick in the 6th round.
Allen signed for 2/8.2Million! Whoa! Overpaid.
http://www.cincyjungle.com/2012/3/17/2881210/jason-allens-contract-for-two-years-and-8-2-million
No, the earliest compensatory selections occur between the 3rd and 4th rounds.
Overall (league wide) there will be 32 compensation picks handed out. If there are not 32 picks allocated to compensate for lost free agents, the remaining will be given to the teams with the worst records/highest draft positions at the end of the 7th round. The Texans have received a few picks due to this circumstance.Follow-up query:
Is there a limit to how many comp picks that are handed out; overall and per round?
Well, the system has been in place since the salary cap era began. Nothing new.
And there can be good players plucked with these picks. Among the notable compensatory selections are Hines Ward, Marques Colston, Larry Allen, and this QB that New England picked up after the regular portion of the 6th round in 2000. Tom Brady, I believe, is his name.
I understand the system, guess my point is that it is flawed.
Of course, the Texans would need to have a net 3 loss to be awarded these picks.
Mario (3rd) - absolutely
Brisiel (5th) - I think this is correct, seeing that the Vikings received a 5th after losing Matt Birk (whose contract averaged $ 4 million/year) to the Ravens.
Jason Allen (6/7th) - Haven't seen what Allen signed for. I think he will need to sign a contract that averages more than $2 million/year to get the pick in the 6th round.
According to NFL Network's Jason La Canfora, Jason Allens contract is for two years and $8.2 million.
Any idea on how much this would help the picks? or if it does? its over my head
see posts around 28-32 in this thread
Curent qualifying loses 3
no qualify signing yet
running total 3 compensatory picks.