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Jerome Solomon reporting Demeco and Jacoby are supposedly being cut tomorrow

SW H-TOWN said:
If it only saves 900k this year (Ryans)...maybe it saves more in later years. If FO was "embarrassed" to ask Winston to take a pay cut then they would be "really embarrassed" to ask Ryans. Very interesting night to say the least. I think if they cut Ryans he would not get anywhere the same amount of cash from any other team considering his injury. If this goes down Rick needs a rap or mafia type nickname. This FO has never ever been so aggressive in terms of cutting players (starters under 30).
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Cutting Demeco would actually save $2.1 mil on the cap. And, if they called it a post June 1st cut, it would save about $4.5 million on this year's cap.
 
When they cut Winston, it made perfect sense that the next one to be chopped would be Demeco.

It proves that they do not pay for what a player did before, as in some kind of reward. You are paid for what you are expected to do in the future. If you get injured, and that injury diminishes those future expectations, expect to get cut.

I don't know when the NFL ever transitioned from "what have you done for me lately" to some kind of "let's reward you for what you used to be".

Way too much misplaced loyalty if you ask me. There's just no place for it in a salary-cap.
 
dalemurphy said:
Cutting Demeco would actually save $2.1 mil on the cap. And, if they called it a post June 1st cut, it would save about $4.5 million on this year's cap.
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Wouldn't they have to wait until June 1st to see the savings on the cap? What would that accomplish?
 
The Cush said:
Your friend probably tuned into 610 when they had Solomon on and listened in mid-conversation. Barry Warner threw out the suggestion of cutting Demeco instead of Winston and Solomon echoed the words "cut Demeco" quite a bit after that. He wasn't saying they should but ran with that scenario instead of letting go of Winston.
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I don't believe this to be true but ya never know.
 
Marcus said:
When they cut Winston, it made perfect sense that the next one to be chopped would be Demeco.

It proves that they do not pay for what a player did before, as in some kind of reward. You are paid for what you are expected to do in the future. If you get injured, and that injury diminishes those future expectations, expect to get cut.

I don't know when the NFL ever transitioned from "what have you done for me lately" to some kind of "let's reward you for what you used to be".

Way too much misplaced loyalty if you ask me. There's just no place for it in a salary-cap.
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If they believe that fully, wouldn't Schaub then be a candidate as well?
 
arb729 said:
If they believe that fully, wouldn't Schaub then be a candidate as well?
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Wouldn't surprise me in the least.

Edit: But they are the ones that now the entire truth of the extent of his injury.
 
arb729 said:
If they believe that fully, wouldn't Schaub then be a candidate as well?
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Quarterbacks don't grow on trees.

We have replacements lined up for every single player we cut so far.

Schaub? Nope...

Unless you got the scoop on Manning (but don't tell pancakes, you'll upset him)
 
dalemurphy said:
Cutting Demeco would actually save $2.1 mil on the cap. And, if they called it a post June 1st cut, it would save about $4.5 million on this year's cap.
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Someone wrote that Lance Zierlein said it would save only 900k this year so I was trying to reason as to why they would cut Ryans if it saved less than a million against the cap. I'm sure that you are know more about contracts and cap ramifications than I do. Let you guys figure that out.
 
Jacoby getting the ax, I can believe, if I were GM he never would have gotten on the plane in Baltimore. As for Demeco I'll believe it when I see it, right now this is just rumor.
 
Playoffs said:
Could be, I dunno about the workings of that.
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I think they would. He has more value to the Texans than any other team due to his locker room presence, team captin,...ect. Guy did rupture his Achilles Tendon and if cloak and dagger (Doctor who posts here) is correct his future production numbers don't look to bright given the type of injury, statically. He is not holding a ton of "leverage".
 
I assume we plan to replace Demeco, JJ, Winston thru the draft? Is it not risky to replace these guys with rookies? Here's to hoping the 2012 Texans can maintain the same level of play with what looks to be quite a few changes.

Also can someone explain how the Texans can simply cut a player? Are there any penalties? I'm assuming the NFL just has lower guaranteed thresholds (ex compared to NBA) and they can just cut players once thresholds are crossed without any penalty?
 
Lucky said:
Wouldn't they have to wait until June 1st to see the savings on the cap? What would that accomplish?
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Lucky, I'm about 95% certain they altered the rule so that teams can make those cuts early and designate them as June 1st cuts... The reason for the alteration was to avoid veterans missing the free agent market while the teams waited for June to cut them.
 
I love meco but something needed to be done with his contract &if he was unwilling to restructure....see ya. as for his replacement...Sharpton should be ok...but if not we can hit the draft ......& curtis lofton is available in FA & he's better than demeco.
 
dalemurphy said:
Lucky, I'm about 95% certain they altered the rule so that teams can make those cuts early and designate them as June 1st cuts... The reason for the alteration was to avoid veterans missing the free agent market while the teams waited for June to cut them.
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Each team is allowed to cut two players as June 1st cuts prior to June 1st.
 
SW H-TOWN said:
Someone wrote that Lance Zierlein said it would save only 900k this year so I was trying to reason as to why they would cut Ryans if it saved less than a million against the cap. I'm sure that you are know more about contracts and cap ramifications than I do. Let you guys figure that out.
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Salary is about $6 million and the prorated signing bonus is $1.25 for the next 4 years. Therefore, the 2012 cap hit would be $7.25. Instead, if he's cut all $5 million of the bonus comes do: $5 million cap hit instead of $7.25 mil... And, they could spread that $5 million evenly over two years, giving them a 2012 cap savings of $4.75 million.
 
silentassassin said:
Yeah, I listened to podcast of Solomon on 610. It's possible it could have been misconstrued, because they do talk about the effects of cutting Demeco.
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infantrycak said:
Each team is allowed to cut two players as June 1st cuts prior to June 1st.
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Well, $4.5 million would be quite a bit of savings. And frankly, Dobbins looked real good at the end of the season. I'd hate to lose DeMeco's leadership. But, it's the kind of tough decision every team with talent eventually has to make.
 
For Winston we have Butler, for JJ we have Jean or a dirt cheap UFA, but we do not have anybody to come right in for Ryans. I believe Sharpton suffered a torn quad and Dobbins is a free agent. A rookie would be really risky if he is not the ILB from BC or Alabama. For that reason and for Ryan's locker room leadership I believe that they would attempt to sign him to a lesser contract if he is cut tomorrow. He and his agent have to be cognizant of the fact that it is highly unlikely that another team is going to offer him a huge contract due to the fact that he ruptured his Achilles Tendon not too long ago. That is a MAJOR injury. Whole different level that a torn pectoral muscle. That's why I think if we cut Ryans we will try to sign him to a cheaper contract.
 
mussop said:
Soloman is just butt hurting now and throwing **** out hoping it sticks. Dude doesn't know jack about the Texans. Him and Warner have been crying like little beaches all night.
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McClain to Jerome...

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msbbc833 said:
I assume we plan to replace Demeco, JJ, Winston thru the draft? Is it not risky to replace these guys with rookies? Here's to hoping the 2012 Texans can maintain the same level of play with what looks to be quite a few changes.

Also can someone explain how the Texans can simply cut a player? Are there any penalties? I'm assuming the NFL just has lower guaranteed thresholds (ex compared to NBA) and they can just cut players once thresholds are crossed without any penalty?
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JJ can be replaced in the draft fairly easily. I assume Sharpton will become the starter alongside Cushing and then they can draft a rookie to play in Sharpton's role. I don't know if they'd start a rookie on the line to replace Winston. Except Kalil, I don't know if there is a T in the draft that should be starting on day 1.
 
Mr teX said:
you're laughing, but it'd get all those guys on the field for every down & alot of that blitzing that cush does could be shifted to reed.
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What do you think the chances are that these cuts were made to re-sign MW?

Something big appears to be up.
 
NastyNate said:
That obscure with a McClain joke? I can't quote text messages in this forum. Sorry but thems the breaks kid.

And no, I make about 10x what an IHOP waiter makes.
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If this came from a source other than Solomon and without a link , at the very least the title is mis-leading .... Whether there is truth to the report or not , at this point its nothing more than rumor has it.
 
dalemurphy said:
Cutting Demeco would actually save $2.1 mil on the cap. And, if they called it a post June 1st cut, it would save about $4.5 million on this year's cap.
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I think you're looking at Spotrac when you say that, and I'm pretty sure that it doesn't reflect the restructure DeMeco did last year in order to sign JJo and Manning. I've never seen the figures related to the restructure, but if all they did was guarantee money and lower DeMeco's 2011 cap amount, then that will raise the amount of dead money associated with cutting him now.

I'm gonna guess this is all BS coming from nowhere credible (well, at least the cutting DeMeco part - could well be true regarding Jacoby).
 
steelbtexan said:
What do you think the chances are that these cuts were made to re-sign MW?

Something big appears to be up.
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I have never been so surprised and confused as a Texan fan. That is for sure. I have no idea what is going on. But, you are right, something is up. I hope it's not just about clearing space to offer Mario a record-setting contract... Gross!
 
steelbtexan said:
What do you think the chances are that these cuts were made to re-sign MW?

Something big appears to be up.
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much to dale's chagrin, i think it's very possible all of this is being done to get MW back.

here's the deal......just like arian, all has been quiet on the MW front and all we've heard from the FO is that they want him back... we also heard the little rumor a couple days back about some contractors working on Mario's house...him saying that they're workiing on something as we speak. doesn't sound like the FO is resigned to just let him walk.... meanwhile we've has surprising cuts in winston and other rumors about other surprising cuts possibly on the way. it's extremely limited info i know, but all signs point to the texans trying to make a run at him.

It's smart imo. You gotta keep all the elite talent locked up...mario falls in that category.
 
The thread title needs to be changed. This is not being reported.

And since when has Solomon ever had a scoop? He's an opinion writer.
 
Mr teX said:
much to dale's chagrin, i think it's very possible all of this is being done to get MW back.

here's the deal......just like arian, all has been quiet on the MW front and all we've heard from the FO is that they want him back... we also heard the little rumor a couple days back about some contractors working on Mario's house...him saying that they're workiing on something as we speak. doesn't sound like the FO is resigned to just let him walk.... meanwhile we've has surprising cuts in winston and other rumors about other surprising cuts possibly on the way. it's extremely limited info i know, but all signs point to the texans trying to make a run at him.

It's smart imo. You gotta keep all the elite talent locked up...mario falls in that category.
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If the Texans do cut Demeco and fail to re-sign Mario, considering Winston being cut, the 2006 draft legacy takes a major hit tomorrow.
 
dalemurphy said:
If the Texans do cut Demeco and fail to re-sign Mario, considering Winston being cut, the 2006 draft legacy takes a major hit tomorrow.
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I was thinking the same thing. Also, if Winston and Demeco are "expendable", what about OD and his 22 mil? He would be the next chip to fall.

I guess all of that remains to be seen. We're just trying to get the cap number down for free agency, sign who we will, and I'm sure the axe will fall on others as the period expires.
 
Has anyone confirmed that Salomon even said any of this? If not why hasn't this thread been closed? I seriously doubt either are going anywhere.
 
All I heard was that Rick Smith approached DeMeco Ryans about restructuring his contract. DeMeco loves the city of Houston and would prefer not to leave even it means taking less money. So I'm not exactly sure where Jerome Solomon got this bad piece of information. Why would the Texans cut him if he's open to restructuring his contract?
 
mussop said:
Has anyone confirmed that Salomon even said any of this? If not why hasn't this thread been closed? I seriously doubt either are going anywhere.
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Thread is bogus. Solomon has since written an article for the Chron and it makes no mention of Jacoby nor Ryans. I agree neither are going anywhere as cutting them isn't going to be very cap-friendly. Might as well play them if they aren't traded away.
 
This is the only thing I can find on Demeco being cut and it's not even saying he's getting cut and really it's not saying anything:

According to Arthur Arkush of ProFootballWeekly.com, the Houston Texans might ask linebacker DeMeco Ryans to take a pay cut. Ryans is still one the Texans’ team leaders and they would love to keep him around. If he’s unwilling to take a pay cut, they might have to release him since he’s only a one down player right now and is scheduled to make $5.9 million in 2012.
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http://www.yardbarker.com/nfl/articles/texans_might_be_forced_to_cut_demeco_ryans/10224460
 
GuerillaBlack said:
I do not want to see Meco go, but maybe cutting him also is what gets Mario and Manning signed here. Jacoby should have been cut a long time ago.
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Jacoby should've been forced to get his own ride home from Baltimore - that's how long ago he should've been cut.
 
Paging Op, you said 11AM right? I hope you can handle the terrible damaging effect of my negative rep if this doesn't come true, I know its terrifying.
 
He made a mistake, neg repped everyone who said they weren't sure if it was legit and asked for a link, and told everyone multiple times that he has an unnamed source and was true heh. I would say when you go all in, sometimes you lose.
 
Kthx said:
He made a mistake, neg repped everyone who said they weren't sure if it was legit and asked for a link, and told everyone multiple times that he has an unnamed source and was true heh. I would say when you go all in, sometimes you lose.
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Hmmm. Hope that isn't true because that's just gay. He hasn't negged me for calling the thread bogus yet so whatever.
 
Maybe I am wrong, just a few posts in the thread that made it seem that way. #45, #48, few others around there. Perhaps its bad blood I haven't noticed because im not as active on here during the offseason! But all in all I was sorta joking anyways, think I have only neg repped one person heh.
 
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