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The Wade Phillips Thread - Status: Not a Candidate for Tampa

If he leaves, he leaves. He's said he wants to be a head coach again and if a team grants him that opportunity I'm not going to fault him for taking it.

Would you fault him if you found out that Wade was merely using the opportunity in Houston to get another job as a HC as soon as he could land one?

Because frankly, it's what it looks like. Arian Foster chose the Texans because (a) we offered him the most UDFA money, and (B) he said he had a better chance at unseating Slaton and winning the starting job than he would have had if he tried to go to the Saints who offered him slightly less UDFA money than we did.

Now it's appearing, as usual, that Wade Phillips saw the Texans had enough pieces and that he could get control of the draft and hit on a few more guys for his defense to fill the holes...AND get the two big free agents he wanted to bolster the secondary. Wade has Kubiak's consistently GOOD offense, too, which further enhances the Houston d-coord job in his eyes.

Now? Now he gets to parlay that into a HC gig. He had his dad go and angle McNair for the d-coord job last off-season, and I don't know if his dad could be seen as being complicit in some grand scheme of Wade's to get a HC gig again. But it is plausible. Fathers and sons who have strong bonds with one another could easily conspire to set Wade up to do any number of things: Be a d-coord on Houston for a long, long time....or watch Kubiak get fired and Wade get promoted to HC of the Texans...or Kubiak stays and Wade does enough to get a gig somewhere else. It's a win-win-win for the Phillips family. Great odds!

So IMO, it certainly seems any talk of how Wade loves Houston and Bum loves his son being in Houston, and blah blah blah....is just babble. Wade comes off as knowing he won't get to be HC of the Texans like his daddy was, and so now he's off to find a way to be a successful HC somewhere else.

Doesn't seem like it's too far out of the realm of possibility.
 
So we get another qualified 3-4 coach. The moves have been made and the blue print is there. Just follow it and add some wrinkles. As fans, we use to debate whether bringing in Cowher was the best choice being a 3-4 coach, clearly that was the best move. Our players seem to fit better there and with watt and reed added it only solidifies that choice. We all want Wade, but the NFL is a business, sometimes it sucks, but we need to have faith that Rick Smith will grab another great DC.

My point is wade can wait till after the play offs to take care of his buisness that has been my whole point the whole time. Whos to say our next D.C and the one after and the one after dont all go interview for jobs in the playoffs.
 
Sherman has been the front winner since before the weekend, I am sure they are just kicking the tires on ol' Wade. Just like we would be doing if we were them. Lots of good YOUNG coaches out there.



Not trying to pick on you, but I had to laugh at the contradictions in this post.
 
How many "great" coordinators are out there?

Depends if they want a defensive or offensive guy.

Gregg Williams, IMO is the best and MUCH younger than Wade.
Perry Fewell
Tedd Bowles
Greg Olson, Bucs lol
Mike Sherman
Brian Billick
Jon Gruden
Wade Phillips, had to list him
Green Bay qb coach

There are guys out there and I doubt Wade wins out over them. Too old, too sick, and never did anything as HC, why try something that has NEVER worked when you can try a new route?
 
Not trying to pick on you, but I had to laugh at the contradictions in this post.

I meant to add lots of good young candidates TOO. Sherman is the front runner, plus good younger coordinators out there also. personally I would go with a younger guy. Or a guy like Gruden or Cowher, if you can get them.
 
Maybe you missed where I said YES HE IS GREAT, but you cannot deny the fact we got almost half of a new starting defense with the players from the draft and with the guys coming back from injury. He makes a difference, but lets not act as if he did it with scrubs, like he would have to do in Tampa or Miami....thats the point, he has a nice thing going here and I doubt he ups and leaves just because someone came calling. Its nice to know people want you....

Consider the fact that we had three INT's yesterday, by three different defenders, and not one of them was on the roster (or even IR) for us last year.
 
Would you fault him if you found out that Wade was merely using the opportunity in Houston to get another job as a HC as soon as he could land one?

Because frankly, it's what it looks like. Arian Foster chose the Texans because (a) we offered him the most UDFA money, and (B) he said he had a better chance at unseating Slaton and winning the starting job than he would have had if he tried to go to the Saints who offered him slightly less UDFA money than we did.

Now it's appearing, as usual, that Wade Phillips saw the Texans had enough pieces and that he could get control of the draft and hit on a few more guys for his defense to fill the holes...AND get the two big free agents he wanted to bolster the secondary. Wade has Kubiak's consistently GOOD offense, too, which further enhances the Houston d-coord job in his eyes.

Now? Now he gets to parlay that into a HC gig. He had his dad go and angle McNair for the d-coord job last off-season, and I don't know if his dad could be seen as being complicit in some grand scheme of Wade's to get a HC gig again. But it is plausible. Fathers and sons who have strong bonds with one another could easily conspire to set Wade up to do any number of things: Be a d-coord on Houston for a long, long time....or watch Kubiak get fired and Wade get promoted to HC of the Texans...or Kubiak stays and Wade does enough to get a gig somewhere else. It's a win-win-win for the Phillips family. Great odds!

So IMO, it certainly seems any talk of how Wade loves Houston and Bum loves his son being in Houston, and blah blah blah....is just babble. Wade comes off as knowing he won't get to be HC of the Texans like his daddy was, and so now he's off to find a way to be a successful HC somewhere else.

Doesn't seem like it's too far out of the realm of possibility.

Wouldn't fault him at all. I figure that would be the mindset of any coordinator who's been a head coach before. I don't know that many coordinators who have been coaches are merely content in staying as coordinators. If any opportunity comes to interview for a HC gig, I doubt any would turn it down.
 
It's amazing we are having this much discussion. Remember just a year ago when our TT banner read 'WARY'?

What a difference a year makes :)

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Not to mention Zimmer and mike mularkey would be better. Kevin Greene from Green Bay, there is not way Wade gets a HC job at his age lol.
 
Casserly says Phillips interviews Friday afternoon in Houston.

Don't know why I was only thinking Wade would travel to interview.
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speaking of McClain :toropalm:

McClain_on_NFL John McClain
Foster has 24 carries for 153 yards and 2 TDs. Texans lead 31-14. They'll play Sunday at noon at Baltimore, where they lost 29-15.
20 hours ago


John McClain
McClain_on_NFL John McClain
Foster just ran 42 yards for a touchdown to make it 31-14. It was his second touchdown. What a run down the right sideline for Foster.
20 hours ago

I never saw the 2nd TD by the Bengals
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Makes me smile, he isn't even healthy enough to want to fly there to interview, do you guys really worry he will get offered the job/


CMON MAN!

ummmm, he probably is interviewing in Houston because we have a playoff game on Sunday and he can't take the time to fly there.

I hope they see his as old and frail also, and that they end up wanting young blood, but I am not going to pretend I have a crystal ball and know what is going to happen.
 
So did the Texans give this permission for during the off week prior to our Super Bowl appearance? :)

Or has The General gotten it wrong again?

And to the posters who are overreacting to this story: You're overreacting.

Not sure what's correct, but this article implies that for non-bye teams, their assistants can be interviewed for HC jobs during the week between the WC and Divisional games, with the time and place to be approved by the team the assistant coaches team.

Should the Bucs have an interest in talking to Atlanta Falcons offensive coordinator Mike Mularkey, for example, they will have to wait until after the Falcons play in this week's wild card playoff game to do so.

Even then, their opportunity for contact may be limited. If the Falcons advance to the next round of the playoffs, the Bucs would have only the week between the wild card game and the divisional playoff round to speak with Mularkey.
bolding added for emphasis

The article goes on to indicate that McClain's comment is correct.
No matter the candidate, the team currently employing him has the right to approve the time and location of the interview for as long as the prospective coach's team is still alive in the playoffs.
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How many "great" coordinators are out there?

McNair better be out there trying to find a guy to replace Wade, or he'll be watching d-coordinators fly off the shelf and get caught with his pants down if Wade leaves.

I'd take an ultra-proactive stance, call Wade's bluff, and let his agent know that if he goes and interviews before the playoff game...he's out of our future here immediately and can be free to discuss those things as a person no longer employed by the Texans.

It's time to strong-arm a guy like Wade and make sure he knows who butters his bread and that it took a lot of hard work by more than just Wade Phillips to make Wade a viable HC candidate again.

I tell ya'....this makes me respect Kubiak out of sheer DEFAULT of what is going on with Wade. Now, it's not like Kubiak was going to abandon the ship and go sail away with some other lover like Wade might be attempting, but still.

You can only imagine the amount of pressure and anxiety Kubiak went through when he saw Bum angling the d-coord job for his boy Wade. He knew full well that Wade being on the staff meant it was a short track to the HC gig if he (Kubiak) regressed on offense. Down goes Foster in preseason, down goes Tate in preseason. Down goes Foster for something like 4 reg season games, IIRC, and down goes AJ early in the season. Down goes Schaub for the year. Down goes Leinart in one half of football. Yates thrust into the starter's role. Briesel goes down. Yates clutch TD vs Bengals to win the AFC South ad secure a playoff spot for the first time in our history.

I'm swinging away from the "Wade Phillips" side of the fence here. Considering the pressure Kubiak felt from injuries to his key players, and from inherent pressure from the mere presence of Wade Phillips on his staff this year (a year of "Must Win" expectations), Kubiak showed a lot of resolve to me this year.

Wade is hurting his stock value, IMO.
 
Yeah, my bs meter was going off when I read the tweet

LOL yeah I think some of these guys need to send out their BS meters out to be re-calibrated. :)

John McClain on Twitter?? Seriously, hasn't anyone ever heard the term "consider the source"?
 
ummmm, he probably is interviewing in Houston because we have a playoff game on Sunday and he can't take the time to fly there.

I hope they see his as old and frail also, and that they end up wanting young blood, but I am not going to pretend I have a crystal ball and know what is going to happen.

I think of myself as an optimistic/realist. I am pretty positive he wouldn't take it, BUT at the same time, I am even more positive they won't offer it. Again, too old, too sick, not a good enough HC record. Not a good resume for a guy 65 years old (before next season).
 
Casserly says Phillips interviews Friday afternoon in Houston.

Don't know why I was only thinking Wade would travel to interview.
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That certainly seems like they are VERY interested in him, to come to Houston so he doesn't have to travel (due to recovery from surgery).

I think he's definitely in the mix. Won't say he's got the job, but will say that I think he's in their Top 3 for sure.
 
A little off topic - but will he be able to travel to Baltimore? And, on topic, I'm very disappointed in Wade. I know he isn't getting any younger, but he really should wait until next year to think about an HC position.

I have a feeling he has no idea of the wrath of the Texan fans that will fall on him should he decide to leave.
 
McNair better be out there trying to find a guy to replace Wade, or he'll be watching d-coordinators fly off the shelf and get caught with his pants down if Wade leaves.

I'd take an ultra-proactive stance, call Wade's bluff, and let his agent know that if he goes and interviews before the playoff game...he's out of our future here immediately and can be free to discuss those things as a person no longer employed by the Texans.

It's time to strong-arm a guy like Wade and make sure he knows who butters his bread and that it took a lot of hard work by more than just Wade Phillips to make Wade a viable HC candidate again.

I don't really understand this. So you want us to fire Wade if he interviews with Tampa Bay? Okay, lets say we do that and whoever replaces Wade also does a good job next season and is asked to interview during the playoffs (if we make it). Do you want us to fire that person too in that scenario?

This is just the way the NFL works. Teams want to fill their HC position early. Teams aren't going to start denying their assistants the opportunity to interview for a HC gig. If they did, then it's likely that assistants with a good pedigree wouldn't even consider going to coach for that team because they aren't given the same opportunity to get a HC job as other teams give their assistants.
 
The thing is...

Houston loves the Phillips family. We really want him here.. so obviously there are going to be some hurt feelings if he ups and leaves after just one year.. especially since he has had such a huge impact on our team. His leaving would be perceived as a complete lack of concern for the fortunes of Houston football.

Then there is the fact that we are in the middle of our first playoff run in franchise history. Emotions are high.. everyone is both elated and worried about the outcome.. and this interview is poorly timed. What if this is a distraction for him? Does it even matter if it is a distraction for him? Even if it has zero effect on his ability to prepare our defense for the Ravens.. if we go out there and our defense struggles even a little bit, people will be blaming phillips for not putting 100% into the defense this week.

On top of that is the worry that this could have an adverse effect on the spirit of our defense. Will our players lose their faith in Phillips since it seems he is now so eager to leave them? Will they begin distancing themselves from him since he will no longer be seen as "one of the guys"? How much his interviewing have an impact on our team's morale? Like the above example though...even if it has no impact at all... people will still perceive it as having had an impact if our team doesnt play well.


If Phillips does accept the position and we dont do well against the Ravens.. Phillips will have pretty much burned all bridges to houston. He will stop being the greatest DC we have ever had and the son of our most beloved head coach.. and he will become the guy that didnt give a **** about the city, and abandoned us when we needed him most.


Its just a bad idea. If they wanted to interview him..Phillips should have told them he will talk to them after the playoffs or not at all. He has created a situation where he will have a hard time avoiding at least part of the city's ire, if not the entire city's.
 
Wade > Gary, Gary 0-2 without Wade.

Fire Gary = Keep Dennison = Wade= HC.

See how easy that was.

If Wade leaves Gary will revert back to being Gary.
 
NFL has the Rooney Rule, established in 2003,[1] requires National Football League teams to interview minority candidates for head coaching.

Now the NFL to establish the Wade Rule which requires National Football League teams to interview Age Challenged candidates for head coaching.


LOL just kidding.
 
You guys crack me up. This is how things are and have been done for years.

I'm going to be extremely dissapointed if Tampa hires him, but I don't hold it against him. The number of coordinators who would turn down an interview are 2 as far as I know. LeBeau and Jim Johnson (Philly).

Would any of you turn down the opportunity to increase your salary 4-fold in order to do something you love to do?
 
I'd offer Bill Cowher whatever he would want as head coach, and tell him he's d-coord and assistant head coach.

Kubiak won't mind. He's entrenched as HC and he knows it. If he survived Wade Phillips, he would survive Cowher too. And it would mean a nasty, mean-ass d-coord the players would love even MORE than Wade. Bank on it.

Cowher makes people want to run through walls. Cushing and Braman are his type of guys. JJ Watt would be, as well. 'Meco. Manning. Joseph.

This team is stocked and primed for a guy like Cowher to re-enter the NFL and take off running with it. Coach's salary do not count against the cap, either.

It's a bold move. More bold than when Wade was hired last off-season. It would say that McNair won't stop until he gets what he wants. It would be universally respected in and out of the locker room.
 
I'd offer Bill Cowher whatever he would want as head coach, and tell him he's d-coord and assistant head coach.

Kubiak won't mind. He's entrenched as HC and he knows it. If he survived Wade Phillips, he would survive Cowher too. And it would mean a nasty, mean-ass d-coord the players would love even MORE than Wade. Bank on it.

Cowher makes people want to run through walls. Cushing and Braman are his type of guys. JJ Watt would be, as well. 'Meco. Manning. Joseph.

This team is stocked and primed for a guy like Cowher to re-enter the NFL and take off running with it. Coach's salary do not count against the cap, either.

It's a bold move. More bold than when Wade was hired last off-season. It would say that McNair won't stop until he gets what he wants. It would be universally respected in and out of the locker room.

That would be my dream scenario, but I think Cowher will only accept a HC job. I would forever love Kubiak if he kept a HC salary, but became the OC to allow Cowher to become the HC.
 
You guys crack me up. This is how things are and have been done for years.

I'm going to be extremely dissapointed if Tampa hires him, but I don't hold it against him. The number of coordinators who would turn down an interview are 2 as far as I know. LeBeau and Jim Johnson (Philly).

Would any of you turn down the opportunity to increase your salary 4-fold in order to do something you love to do?

There is turning down a job when you are 37 and there is turning down a job when you are 64. Believe me, there is a huge, colossal difference there. Since I've been both, I can say that....

Yes, I would honestly turn it down -if I were 64, my parents were still alive in the city that loved me and where I had a job that I loved, I was the highest paid in that job of any other in the industry and I'd probably ask for a raise.

But if I were under 60? No, I'd head out as fast as my little legs would carry me.

Also, given the state of Wade's health which could be a factor - I'd rather be close to doctors in Houston than doctors in Tampa Bay.
 
That would be my dream scenario, but I think Cowher will only accept a HC job. I would forever love Kubiak if he kept a HC salary, but became the OC to allow Cowher to become the HC.

even after this fans still calling for a new H.C. the guy just cant win. We lose Foster for some time, lose AJ, lose Leinart, and Schaub for the season, win our first play off game 31-10 and he still needs to be replaced ??? Did having wade as D.C help, it sure did but through all the offensive injuries Kubiak has kept the offense rolling and confident.
 
This is business ... it's not personal, Sonny, it's strictly business!!!

I like this movie quote better (Smokey and The Bandit):

"She insulted my town. My author-ity. She insulted my son. Shut up! She insulted my author-ity. And that's nuthin' but pure and simple, good old-fashioned COMMUNISM! Happens EVERY time those dancers start poon-tang'ing around with those show folk fags. (shakes his head)...I can see her now. Runnin' back up the aisle, no...she was DANCIN' back up that aisle. Them knockers bouncing all over the joint. Let go of that wheel! (slaps Junior's hand away from the wheel). Her ass was wiggling' too!"

LOL.

This accurately describes my mood right now. I feel Buford T. Justice's pain right now. Some floozie (Bucs front office) trying to ruin our day.
 
Wade's career coaching record is 82-59 as compared to Kubiak's awesome six year run of 47-49.

The best coach on a staff is in demand, what is so unusual with that?
 
even after this fans still calling for a new H.C. the guy just cant win. We lose Foster for some time, lose AJ, lose Leinart, and Schaub for the season, win our first play off game 31-10 and he still needs to be replaced ??? Did having wade as D.C help, it sure did but through all the offensive injuries Kubiak has kept the offense rolling and confident.

Way to overreact... again. I never said Kubiak sucks or anything like that, it was a scenario to get another great defensive coach in case Wade bails. This is all speculation at this point, so please chill out, and try to enjoy the ride. Maybe take some time off of the forums.
 
even after this fans still calling for a new H.C. the guy just cant win. We lose Foster for some time, lose AJ, lose Leinart, and Schaub for the season, win our first play off game 31-10 and he still needs to be replaced ??? Did having wade as D.C help, it sure did but through all the offensive injuries Kubiak has kept the offense rolling and confident.

Agreed, the thought of getting rid of Kubiak because Wade leaves is MIND BLOWING. Gary has improved ten fold and the team is finally the way he wants. You don't just get rid of him, especially after a playoff win and a division championship LOL.

Also, the thought of Cowher coming here to be Assistant HC and DC ir LOL worthy. the guy wants to run the front office including GM like he basically did in Pit. Why would he take a back seat to Gary? Would LOVE IT, but never going to happen.

IF Wade leaves, which I doubt, we would interview Herring and look at a few other choices. I just hope we do not rush to hire Herring, just because he is on staff now. We would need to do our due diligence and shop around.

Also, I doubt Wade would leave during the playoffs. He would finish the season and then leave if he took the job.
 
lol so many temper tantrums in one thread, amazing.

Wade wants to be a head coach, who are we to tell him he can't? The head coaching carousel doesn't wait for you to be knocked out to decide who they want to hire. When a job opens up you're interested in, you take the interview as soon as you can, period. All this crap about waiting to get knocked out is just butt hurt reasoning, that's just not how it works.

Also, about this being bad houston football juju, take a look at most good teams in the NFL. It's hardly uncommon to be a victim of your own success. How many Patriots assistants go on to be head coaches? Let's see, McDaniels, Crennel, now O'Brien, Weis, etc, etc and that's just one team. This is the kind of thing that happens when you have a lot of success, so if we continue having success you should just get used to it. Hardly a Houston thing, it just seems that way because we've never had so much success from a coordinator.
 
Way to overreact... again. I never said Kubiak sucks or anything like that, it was a scenario to get another great defensive coach in case Wade bails. This is all speculation at this point, so please chill out, and try to enjoy the ride. Maybe take some time off of the forums.

buddy u obviously have not been around here long, that is me chilled.
 
even after this fans still calling for a new H.C. the guy just cant win. We lose Foster for some time, lose AJ, lose Leinart, and Schaub for the season, win our first play off game 31-10 and he still needs to be replaced ??? Did having wade as D.C help, it sure did but through all the offensive injuries Kubiak has kept the offense rolling and confident.

Kubiak deserves to be here. He waded (literally, I suppose) through a lot of lean years and held it together until the calvary could arrive.

I think he should stay HC, but that we need another hired gun type of d-coord like we had in Wade (assuming Wade gets a HC gig somewhere, of course). To me, there is a guy who would command a lot of respect and attention of the players on defense, who has been around 3-4 defenses a long time, and who has championship experience. He's currently on a CBS TV set with some other former NFL players. Look, he wants a lot of money? Done deal. He wants full command of the defense? Done deal. You couldn't ask for a better re-entry into the NFL coaching world than to inherit the defense we have, coupled with the offense we have.

If Cowher cherishes the toil and the crap sandwiches that being a HC offers him, then he's entitled to that belief. But I just wonder if the guy could be able to see that the Houston d-coord gig, and the money, it's something worth its weight in gold. If Wade wants to cast these pearls to pigs, let some guy like Cowher be the beneficiary of it.

Of course, he'll end up leaving too. BUT, I'll take borrowed time at this point.
 
Dumb question but if TB hires Wade he wouldn't leave before our playoff run was over, correct?

Yes, generally the coordinator finishes the season with his current team before moving to his new heading coaching job.

Overall, there has been little evidence that NFL teams/players have been conistently distracted by coordinators interviewing/leaving.
 
There is turning down a job when you are 37 and there is turning down a job when you are 64. Believe me, there is a huge, colossal difference there. Since I've been both, I can say that....

Yes, I would honestly turn it down -if I were 64, my parents were still alive in the city that loved me and where I had a job that I loved, I was the highest paid in that job of any other in the industry and I'd probably ask for a raise.

But if I were under 60? No, I'd head out as fast as my little legs would carry me.

Also, given the state of Wade's health which could be a factor - I'd rather be close to doctors in Houston than doctors in Tampa Bay.



I get it, and frankly, I'm kind of surprised he wants to do it, but I don't have any animosity for him making the decision.
 
Gene Chizik, not on the hot seat at Auburn. But his strength is serving as d-coord where he's had tremendous success at both Auburn and at University of Texas. Here's more on the guy:

Chizik later employed a very similar scheme at Auburn, where he served again as the defensive coordinator and secondary coach from 2002–04. During this time, he had some of the greatest successes of his career to date. He coached in three bowl games, the 2003 Capital One Bowl, 2004 Music City Bowl, and 2005 Sugar Bowl. His 2004 defensive unit led the country in scoring defense, giving up 11.3 points per game,[6] and the total defense ranked 5th, which is the same ranking the 2003 team recorded.[7] He garnered the 2004 Broyles Award, which is given each year to the top assistant coach in the nation. The 2004 Auburn Tigers football team finished 13-0 that year, won the SEC title, and defeated Virginia Tech in the Sugar Bowl. It placed second in the final AP and Coaches polls.[8]

In 2005, Chizik was hired by Texas to serve as their co-defensive coordinator, assistant head coach, and linebackers coach.[9] During his time at Texas, the team won the 2005 NCAA Division I-A national football championship by defeating USC in the 2006 Rose Bowl.

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That certainly seems like they are VERY interested in him, to come to Houston so he doesn't have to travel (due to recovery from surgery).

I think he's definitely in the mix. Won't say he's got the job, but will say that I think he's in their Top 3 for sure.
I wouldn't be surprised at all if it were a video interview. No need to fly all over the country for these kinds of things.
I agree with what you've said about Kubiak having to deal with the mere presence of Phillips. That's very uncomfortable.
On the other hand, I think you're overreacting in a big way to this news. Why would you fault someone for wanting to get a promotion? This is all very ordinary.
 
What is this? Upon my first view it is hot garbage.

It has Ruffin McNeil at No. 24 on the list, still has him listed as being TTU d-coord and he's in full TTU garb. The site has not been updated, but the date at the top is on automatic update so it appears to be current (but isn't). IMO.
 
I wouldn't be surprised at all if it were a video interview. No need to fly all over the country for these kinds of things.
I agree with what you've said about Kubiak having to deal with the mere presence of Phillips. That's very uncomfortable.
On the other hand, I think you're overreacting in a big way to this news. Why would you fault someone for wanting to get a promotion? This is all very ordinary.

It's MY team! LOL. MINE MINE MINE!!!!! No touchy my team!
 
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