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The Kubiak-era Texans have never beaten the Titans and Jags...
- Thread starter DexmanC
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Vinny
shiny happy fan
TN beat the Ratbirds 26-13
GP
Go Texans!
AFC South just might be the NFC West in terms of mediocre teams trying to not lose as many games as their divisional opponents. Meaning that those teams are battling it out within their division, but you'd never expect the likes of Seahawks or Rams going deep into the playoffs. This year, San Fran is looking like they're breaking free from the pack.
The Titans are better, much better, than I expected them to be this year. I seriously didn't think Hasselbeck (sp?) would be THAT decent at QB for them.
They're doing it without their best WR too.
The Titans are better, much better, than I expected them to be this year. I seriously didn't think Hasselbeck (sp?) would be THAT decent at QB for them.
They're doing it without their best WR too.
eriadoc
Texan-American
OK, I appreciate the effort, and I don't disagree with your general point of view on the Texans, but this is weak sauce and you know it. I mean, can't you throw in a few more factors, like weather, when the game starts, and what phase the moon is in? You really need to narrow the scope for us.
The Texans have never beaten the Jags and Titans in the same year when both teams finish above .500, the moon is full, the game started at 3PM, and the sun was shining!
Jeez.
Thorn
Dirty Old Man
Titans, like the Texans, have played pretty well in spots, and crappy other times. I wouldn't give an advantage to either team, except for maybe home field advantage.
TexansFanatic
Extremist
Here's another fun fact:
The Texans are 1-8 in their last 9 road games.
The Texans are 1-8 in their last 9 road games.
Vinny
shiny happy fan
Texans are three point underdogs vs the new look Titans with a new coach, new QB, new OC, new DC, and their WR1 out.
Thorn
Dirty Old Man
Which is a damn shame, but only points to a small little fact some of us have been hounding on around here for a while.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
And Pittsburgh beat the Tacks 38-17.
DexmanC
Hall of Fame
To clarify my point (since my use of the word "respectively" went unnoticed.):
The Texans have never beaten the Jags on the road, the same year in which the Jags
finished above .500.
The Texans have never beaten the Titans on the road, the same year in which the Titans
finished above .500.
Vinny
shiny happy fan
on the road....if we beat the meatballs it will be their first home loss in this early season...for whatever that's worth.
Maddict5
Hall of Fame
DexmanC
Hall of Fame
How does a coach 1-19 or 1-8 in ANYTHING justify keeping his job?
Thorn
Dirty Old Man
Uncle Bob likes him. And Uncle Bob calls the shots.
Thorn
Dirty Old Man
So are you telling us how to bet? Does this mean you're you betting on the Titans? Should the Texans not even bother getting on the plane??
What's the point of this "history lesson"??
Actually, the proper way to do this is to leave out a few pesky facts that get in the way of your theory. Once you learn to do that, you to can be a Master Of Internet Opinion.
Of course, if you're me, then you don't have to worry about any of that, because I'm alway right.
Here, put this in your signature
Thorn
Dirty Old Man
DexmanC
Hall of Fame
The Texans have yet to make any of those statistics remain in the past,
because the same thing has occurred six consecutive seasons non stop.
You keep telling us how "improved over previous seasons" this team is, but
we're still waiting for ONE that thing differs from what we've continued to witness
from Kubiak's era. For what I said to remain in the Texans' past, it must
cease being their present.
TexansFanatic
Extremist
Dex, I was just looking at your sig
Frightening to think how easily we could see 5-7 again.
@Titans = loss (3-4)
Jaguars = win (4-4)
Browns = win (5-4)
@Tampa Bay = loss (5-5)
@Jaguars = loss (5-6)
Atlanta = loss (5-7)
:kubepalm:
Frightening to think how easily we could see 5-7 again.
@Titans = loss (3-4)
Jaguars = win (4-4)
Browns = win (5-4)
@Tampa Bay = loss (5-5)
@Jaguars = loss (5-6)
Atlanta = loss (5-7)
:kubepalm:
DexmanC
Hall of Fame
Last year, the team started 4-2, and some guy posted
"The Texans would have to go 1-5 in order to reach Dex's
sig. Not gonna happen.". We all know that it DID happen.
Over the next 6 games, the real teams stand up and win their divisions and
wild cards. The pretenders fold like the fodder they are. Who are the 2011 Texans?
One thing that's different? Better players. No real glaring weaknesses - we have weak links but I think that's because the #1 guys are so much better. Or do you think this team is worse than it has been in previous years?
And I'm talking about the talent and attitude of the team, not the coaches. I wouldn't waste your time or my electrons trying to change your mind about Kubiak; so don't go there.
RagingBull
Hall of Shame
Ratbirds beat Houston 29-14
TN beat Ratbirds 26-13
Houston beat Stealers 17-10
Stealers beat TN 38-17
hard to draw too many conlcusions except that Indy sucks without Pay-me-a-ton.
DexmanC
Hall of Fame
Better aesthetics, same substance, so far.
I suppose we are seeking improvement in different areas. You value
improved aesthetics, I value improved results.
Hey, Seattle made a deep run in the playoffs (NFC champ game IIRC) when they finished 9-7.
When it comes down to it, thats all that matters, right? If we go 9-7 BUT win the division and make it to, lets say, the AFC champ game and lose are we still calling for Kubes head?
Thats a tricky one because he obviously underperformed again BUT we did make the playoffs and win but its all due to circumstances.
Meh, win Texans win.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
Justify not so much. Illustrate you pick out arbitrary standards with no reflection on the NFL as a whole just to have another bang on Kubiak post - yeah pretty much proves that. When you first started banging your drum on this I did the homework you should have done (and of course you failed to respond) showing teams with similar records over the last 5 years have similar records going on the road against teams with winning seasons. Inconvenient truth for you.
I mean look at this silly thread you have come up with. The Hags only have one winning season during Kubiak's tenure (they split with the home team winning each time). The Tacks have had two winning seasons (2008 again a home team split - 2009 they were 8-8 because we beat them at home). So three games is what you created a thread out of.
Seattle knocked New Orleans out of the playoffs last year coming off a 7-9 regular season record.
You kinda lost me. So you don't think we have better players / more talent?
For the record, we both want improved results. I've never said otherwise. I prefer to focus on positive things but that doesn't mean I'm blind to their shortcomings either. I thought Kubiak was a goner too - but Uncle Bob kept him. Personally, I'd rather have Gruden or Billick - they have as many Super Bowl rings as Cowher and it didn't take them 15 years to get one. ....but I digress.
We're stuck with Kubiak for at least another year so I might as well hope for the best.
Dan B.
Hall of Fame
According to Jerome Solomon this morning:
In six seasons the Texans have beaten one team on the road that finished over .500.
In six seasons the Texans have beaten one team on the road that finished over .500.
DexmanC
Hall of Fame
But Cowher had a fistful of division championships and a Superbowl appearancebefore he got his first ring. Six years into Kubiak's reign, and we've gotten NOTHING.
Why did you bring Cowher's name into this? Subconsciously, you want him coaching
the Texans next year, right?
Asking a team to win in spite of its head coach is a tall order, my friends.
DexmanC
Hall of Fame
That was the Cincinnati Bengals in 2009. They swept their division (Browns, Ravens,
Steelers,) and went to the playoffs. I'd like to see the Texans do something like that,
but when have they competed in their division?
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
They outright won the division, no tie breakers, with a 10-6 record. They could have been 10-6 with an 0-6 division record and still gone to the playoffs. The Raiders last year went 6-0 in their division, didn't make the playoffs. Who you beat only counts in tiebreakers. We lost out on that one with the Jets in 2009 - and it wasn't a division game.
Oh no you dih-unt...
I don't look at just rings. I'm looking at body-of-work to fix our hapless franchise.
p.s. I'd be happy with Gruden or Billick, as well.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
Oh no you dih-unt...
I don't look at just rings. I'm looking at body-of-work to fix our hapless franchise.
p.s. I'd be happy with Gruden or Billick, as well.
I guess I would be happy with Cowher, Billick and Gruden in that order and I really dislike Gruden.
The funny thing is all are known for something they couldn't build or weren't responsible for as HC's. Cowher didn't get to pick LeBeau and Billick and Gruden couldn't build good O's for their SB teams. It is an odd group people are salivating over.
Mr teX
Hall of Fame
Yeah the "qb collector" Jon Gruden doesn't thrill me so much. As far as Billick, i wonder about him. He's been away for a while & if he was as highly thought of as he is by some on here, i wonder why this dude has yet to get another job elsewhere. His track record with qb's isn't so hot either.
In all liklihood, it's going to be someone who hasn't been a HC yet.
In all liklihood, it's going to be someone who hasn't been a HC yet.
They all have experience taking talent someone else collected and doing something great with it!
I tend to agree with Mr teX, though. Although that won't be until 2028 when Kubiak finally decides to retire as Texans HC.
I tend to agree with Mr teX, though. Although that won't be until 2028 when Kubiak finally decides to retire as Texans HC.
You know what really pisses me off right now?
I tried my darndest to be positive & stay off the ABK Train... during that time, I just wanted to stay positive, hope against hope that we would have a winning season (yall took that away from me) or that we would do something special.
The head in the sand trick works pretty well, get pissed off on Sunday, drink it off through Monday, back on the koolaide truck by Tuesday. But then it's a struggle to get positive & stay positive through Sunday.
Now that I'm down with ABK, you guys are taking that away as well.
I've got myself believing in my heart of hearts, that three game losing streak culminating in Tennessee will break McNair.... & you're taking that away as well.
I'm pulling for the Texans to win, make no mistake about that. If we win, I'm happy because we're closer to our goal. If we lose, while I won't be happy, I'll be eagerly awaiting a Monday morning announcement & we can all move on.
I feel your pain, TK.
I want the Texans to WIN. With or without Kubiak, I don't care. In the words of Al, just win, baby!
My agenda is Texans first. Always. I think 99% of fans are the same way.
I do not judge anyone's degree of being a fan any more than I would judge their degree of citizen. A person can love their country but still be critical of the government. And that's the way I feel about being a fan, as well.
Just win, baby.
ATXtexanfan
Hall of Fame
i cant convince myself the texans will win at tenn who is coming off a bye then defend reliant against a jax team that always finds a way to beat them
Lurvinator11
Veteran
If the texans don't win this sunday, we might as well kiss this season goodbye as well as kubiak.
No way we recover after that.
Kubiak gone.
I just hope Wade remains DC. He has been doing really good.
No way we recover after that.
Kubiak gone.
I just hope Wade remains DC. He has been doing really good.
Hey now.. I've got a birth certificate... it's just misplaced in a Hawain Courthouse, that's all. But I'm legit.
TimeKiller
Guest
I put this in another thread:
Year (Texans record BEFORE they played the first game listed, Texans overall record that season)
Game #, Location, Opponent, Texans' Result (their record BEFORE playing the Texans, their overall record that season)
2006 (1-4, 6-10)
Game 6 vs. Jax W (3-2, 8-8)
Game 7 @ Ten L (1-5, 8-8)
2007 (3-2, 8-8)
Game 6 @ Jax L (3-1, 11-5)
Game 7 vs. Ten L (3-2, 10-6)
2008 (0-1, 8-8)
Game 2 @ Ten L (1-0, 13-3)
Game 3 @ Jax L (1-2, 5-11)
2009 (0-1, 9-7)
Game 2 @ Ten W (0-1, 8-8)
Game 3 vs. Jax L (0-2, 7-9)
2010 (4-4, 6-10)
Game 9 @ Jax L (4-4, 8-8)
Game 11 vs Ten W (5-5, 6-10)
2011 (3-3, ???)
Game 7 @ Ten ? (3-2, ???)
Game 8 vs. Jax ? (1-5, ???)
The lists represent the first match between the teams in that year, as we approach the same test again. This is a lot to take in, I know but History tell us this much: the Texans are likely to only win one of the next games, if that. So 4-4 is practically over achieving. They've yet to deal out losses to both division foes midseason under Kubiak. Never did they beat a rival that ended the season with a winning record. Only once have they beaten a rival with a winning record coming into the game (the first season under Kubiak) and that wasn't on the road. Only one win was on the road period and that win?? Last year against Tennessee, smack dab in the middle of 8 losses, to a team with a locker room in shambles and a record that still equaled the Texans. Do you even want to see this same spread with the Colts included? Ouch. But that's not quite my point...
My greater point? It's time to win this division. THIS is that mythical "next step". This is the test. Jump this hurdle and I believe the Texans make their first playoff appearance. I'll drink every color kool-aid there is if they go 2-0 these next two weeks, I'll shout it from the mountain tops with Ron Burgundy professing his love for Ms. Corningstone. I'll be Sunshine Club. I'll chop up the soap and wash my mouth out with it.
But if they lose these next two games? You can fire Kubiak before the Browns review the game tape cuz it'z ovaaaah...
What do I predict? A loss in Tennessee and a win at home vs. a really, really bad Jacksonville team. 4-4. Then another win and loss before the bye, keeping with the trend: 5-5. Then another win at Jacksonville. Between the Falcons and Bengals a win and a loss. Loss to the Panthers, gotta make a rookie QB look like Elway. Beat up a tanking Colts team to leave them at 8-7: TIED with the team they face next, the Tennessee Titans for division lead AND the playoffs. Neither will be in position for a wild card berth. Winner take all.
That's where my crystal ball ends. Sometimes it gets filled with smoke and I see them winning both these next games and remaining in first the rest of the way. And kool-aid flows from waterfalls while bunnies skip and flower sway under a bright, shining sun.... then it starts bubbling dark, thick liquid like a witch's cauldron and I see fire reigning from the sky and the dead walking and people having stupid things to say on the sports radio and Dan Dingledorf in the background laughing maniacally....
I just want bunnies. For once. Literally once because it would be a first.
Year (Texans record BEFORE they played the first game listed, Texans overall record that season)
Game #, Location, Opponent, Texans' Result (their record BEFORE playing the Texans, their overall record that season)
2006 (1-4, 6-10)
Game 6 vs. Jax W (3-2, 8-8)
Game 7 @ Ten L (1-5, 8-8)
2007 (3-2, 8-8)
Game 6 @ Jax L (3-1, 11-5)
Game 7 vs. Ten L (3-2, 10-6)
2008 (0-1, 8-8)
Game 2 @ Ten L (1-0, 13-3)
Game 3 @ Jax L (1-2, 5-11)
2009 (0-1, 9-7)
Game 2 @ Ten W (0-1, 8-8)
Game 3 vs. Jax L (0-2, 7-9)
2010 (4-4, 6-10)
Game 9 @ Jax L (4-4, 8-8)
Game 11 vs Ten W (5-5, 6-10)
2011 (3-3, ???)
Game 7 @ Ten ? (3-2, ???)
Game 8 vs. Jax ? (1-5, ???)
The lists represent the first match between the teams in that year, as we approach the same test again. This is a lot to take in, I know but History tell us this much: the Texans are likely to only win one of the next games, if that. So 4-4 is practically over achieving. They've yet to deal out losses to both division foes midseason under Kubiak. Never did they beat a rival that ended the season with a winning record. Only once have they beaten a rival with a winning record coming into the game (the first season under Kubiak) and that wasn't on the road. Only one win was on the road period and that win?? Last year against Tennessee, smack dab in the middle of 8 losses, to a team with a locker room in shambles and a record that still equaled the Texans. Do you even want to see this same spread with the Colts included? Ouch. But that's not quite my point...
My greater point? It's time to win this division. THIS is that mythical "next step". This is the test. Jump this hurdle and I believe the Texans make their first playoff appearance. I'll drink every color kool-aid there is if they go 2-0 these next two weeks, I'll shout it from the mountain tops with Ron Burgundy professing his love for Ms. Corningstone. I'll be Sunshine Club. I'll chop up the soap and wash my mouth out with it.
But if they lose these next two games? You can fire Kubiak before the Browns review the game tape cuz it'z ovaaaah...
What do I predict? A loss in Tennessee and a win at home vs. a really, really bad Jacksonville team. 4-4. Then another win and loss before the bye, keeping with the trend: 5-5. Then another win at Jacksonville. Between the Falcons and Bengals a win and a loss. Loss to the Panthers, gotta make a rookie QB look like Elway. Beat up a tanking Colts team to leave them at 8-7: TIED with the team they face next, the Tennessee Titans for division lead AND the playoffs. Neither will be in position for a wild card berth. Winner take all.
That's where my crystal ball ends. Sometimes it gets filled with smoke and I see them winning both these next games and remaining in first the rest of the way. And kool-aid flows from waterfalls while bunnies skip and flower sway under a bright, shining sun.... then it starts bubbling dark, thick liquid like a witch's cauldron and I see fire reigning from the sky and the dead walking and people having stupid things to say on the sports radio and Dan Dingledorf in the background laughing maniacally....
I just want bunnies. For once. Literally once because it would be a first.