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Who here looked at the schedule before the season and counted @ Ravens as a win?

TexansFanatic

TexansFanatic

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I've been posting a lot of negative stuff lately so I'm going to balance that with this thought:

I never expected the Texans to beat the Ravens. I counted this game as a loss before the season even began.

In fact, I expected it to be really ugly. I expected Schaub to get knocked out. I expected him to throw at least one pick-six.

So, truthfully, I was kinda-sorta pleasantly surprised that the Texans made it a game until late.

Having said that, I'm still pissed about the Raiders game. And I still think the Texans let a victory slip away from them in New Orleans.

This team should be 4-2 at worst and could be 5-1. So basically we're watching another typical Kubiak season of woulda-coulda-shoulda unfold again.

Going forward, I'm expecting 6 more wins and a nail-biter-down-to-the-last-weekend struggle for control of the division with the Titans. The division is there for the taking, but I won't be surprised in the least if the Texans don't seize control of it and make it their btch.
 
You are right that you are usually a glass half empty guy so this post is surprising to me.

I know even in the thread I said I expected a loss here, (and even one against Pittsburgh before I saw how bad their Oline really was against the Colts the week before)

So 3-3 right now is not bad for me. Losing this game is not DOOOOOM for me.

BUT....

The Titan game will say a lot about this team. No excuses, with or without Andre. They NEED to win.
 
gwallaia said:
I expected to be 4-2 here. The Raiders loss was inexcusable.
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lost our best offensive and defensive players for it.. so not quite INexcusable ;)

im realistic & wouldve taken 3-3 at this stage if you had told me all the things that have happened so far. suppose that might make me a bad fan for being realistic and not expecting to win every game but whatever
 
Look, this team loses games it should win. You'd hope they'd come up big and win a game people might consider them losing. What we have here is a team that loses the games it's supposed to lose and loses a few of the games they're supposed to win. Now what does that get us?
 
I'm sure the bills looked at the patriots on the schedule and thought loss but they went out and won the game anyways. jussayin.

but that oakland loss was inexcusable with or without mario and aj.
 
Who gives a crap if we "win" our division when there's a bunch of crap teams in it? For what; so we can go into the first round of the playoffs and get our asses handed to us because we play an actual real playoff team?
 
Dishman said:
Look, this team loses games it should win. You'd hope they'd come up big and win a game people might consider them losing. What we have here is a team that loses the games it's supposed to lose and loses a few of the games they're supposed to win. Now what does that get us?
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It gets us a team that could possibly win its division as long as every other team in the division sucks.

;-))
 
Mr. Texan said:
I'm sure the bills looked at the patriots on thier schedule and thought loss but they went out and won the game anyways. jussayin.

but that oakland loss was inexcusable with or without mario and aj.
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conversely the pats fans prob had it marked as a W. does that make it inexcusable too?

and the recent SB champions & NFC east leading Giants prob had the seahawks at home marked as a W.. but they had injuries to some important guys and lost. just saying.

plus the raiders arent exactly chopped liver this year
 
TexansFanatic said:
I've been posting a lot of negative stuff lately so I'm going to balance that with this thought:

I never expected the Texans to beat the Ravens. I counted this game as a loss before the season even began.

In fact, I expected it to be really ugly. I expected Schaub to get knocked out. I expected him to throw at least one pick-six.

So, truthfully, I was kinda-sorta pleasantly surprised that the Texans made it a game until late.

Having said that, I'm still pissed about the Raiders game. And I still think the Texans let a victory slip away from them in New Orleans.

This team should be 4-2 at worst and could be 5-1. So basically we're watching another typical Kubiak season of woulda-coulda-shoulda unfold again.

Going forward, I'm expecting 6 more wins and a nail-biter-down-to-the-last-weekend struggle for control of the division with the Titans. The division is there for the taking, but I won't be surprised in the least if the Texans don't seize control of it and make it their btch.
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This game has always been a loss for me. I have decided that for the rest of the year I will go into every game expecting a loss so sometimes I'll actually be happy.
It's sad that I have come to this but I can't figure out which games they will win and which they will lose.
 
brakos82 said:
Limping into the playoffs still counts.

Signed,
'08 Cards, '08 Chargers, '10 Seahawks
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Normally I'd agree with you....Nah, not with this team though....Their behavior patterns have been the same for years. In fact, it's probably a moot point because if they play like this, there's no way in hell they will win this division.
 
Texans Pride said:
Who gives a crap if we "win" our division when there's a bunch of crap teams in it? For what; so we can go into the first round of the playoffs and get our asses handed to us because we play an actual real playoff team?
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You and everyone LIKE you would be the SAME people who would march up and down this board and everywhere else bitching and moaning about how we didn't take advantage of a crappy division and this and that and this and that.

Spare me that BS.

I had us at 4-2 after six games, with a loss to Baltimore and either NO or Pittsburgh. One game off the pace. That would normally be okay, but I'm not liking what I'm seeing from the offense. At all. The Front 7 have shored up, but the secondary has not, and there's way too much that is troubling me to truly be "okay" with where we're at.
 
I've never been a schedule predictor. Teams change so much from year to year.

The problem was not that I saw this as a loss before the season. The problem is that I saw it as a lost earlier this week.
 
Texas T said:
This game has always been a loss for me. I have decided that for the rest of the year I will go into every game expecting a loss so sometimes I'll actually be happy.
It's sad that I have come to this but I can't figure out which games they will win and which they will lose.
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I can help you with that. Pretty simple formula, really.

If it's an away game and the home team is really good, the Texans are going to lose.

If it's an away game and the home team is average, the Texans could win but will still probably find a way to lose.

If it's a home game, and the visiting team is really good, the Texans will lose most of the time.

If it's a home game and the visiting team is average, the Texans are likely to win but don't be surprised if they blow it.
 
Its not that fact we lost, its how we lost that has everyone so frustrated.

Quoting Nick Scurfields twitter post
The Texans gained 42, 6, 6 and 9 yards on 4 drives in the 4th quarter en route to a season-low 14 points & 293 yards
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Yes we were playing the Ravens D, but this offense is suppose to be better than that.
 
Texans Pride said:
Normally I'd agree with you....Nah, not with this team though....Their behavior patterns have been the same for years. In fact, it's probably a moot point because if they play like this, there's no way in hell they will win this division.
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There's no way in hell the Seahawks should have been in the playoffs last year... they won 3 out-of-division games that year.
 
Well, I figured they would have lost to Indy, but once Peyton went down that became a predicted win. So 1-0 was expected. Then I counted on a win against Miami (2-0), loss to New Orleans (2-1), a home win against the Steelers (3-1), a loss to the Raiders (3-2) and Baltimore (3-3). So to me they are doing as expected so far, and I think most of their wins lay down the road against inferior teams like Jax, Cleveland, and Tampa. Add to that games they should win because of home field advantage, i.e., Atlanta, Carolina and Tenn. Leaves me thinking they should go 10-6 or 9-7.
 
I think the general consensus is this was a game we could have won. Not only that but if we can't win a close game like this, it will be a one and done when and a big IF when we get to the playoff.
 
Maddict5 said:
. . . plus the raiders arent exactly chopped liver this year
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I've noticed a lot of Texan fans seem to think they were playing last year's Raiders or something. The Raiders are 4-2, and could have been 5-1 had they not blown the 20 point lead they had on the Bills. Of course, now that Jason Campbell is out for the season things don't look so rosy for them unless they can pull off a Pastorini/Plunkett QB change with Campbell/Boller. Although I seriously doubt it. I guess if the Texans had played the Lions or 49ers and lost, that too would have been inexcusable. :vincepalm:
 
I remember a lot of folks saying if we come out of the first 6 games 3-3 "I'll be happy." Now that we are 3-3 people are tripping the hell out....go figure. :kitten:
 
False Start said:
I remember a lot of folks saying if we come out of the first 6 games 3-3 "I'll be happy." Now that we are 3-3 people are tripping the hell out....go figure. :kitten:
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Its the way we are 3-3. I've never seen a Texan game we looked in control of.
 
Schaub actually played a pretty good game. I even think the playcalling was pretty good. Our execution left a lot to be desired. No run blocking, Arian slipping (when no one else seemed to be), etc.

It seems to me that we always come to a fork in the road every game. This game it was at 19-14 in the 4th. We make a drive and score we can keep it competitive, but instead we don't execute.

I'm not giving Kubes a pass. These losses ultimately fall on him. But we should direct some of our anger at some of the players as well.
 
Endcoachment said:
Its the way we are 3-3. I've never seen a Texan game we looked in control of.
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Agreed about the "way" but we've definitely looked in control AT TIMES in games. Problem is two halves. Against the lowly Colts (i know, no big deal, but you have to win the winnable ones), and the defense has looked pretty freakin' dominant in geral At least the front seven. Offensively? Not so much. Aside from the first drive against Pittsburgh though, that was beautiful.

Cerberus said:
I've noticed a lot of Texan fans seem to think they were playing last year's Raiders or something. The Raiders are 4-2, and could have been 5-1 had they not blown the 20 point lead they had on the Bills. Of course, now that Jason Campbell is out for the season things don't look so rosy for them unless they can pull off a Pastorini/Plunkett QB change with Campbell/Boller. Although I seriously doubt it. I guess if the Texans had played the Lions or 49ers and lost, that too would have been inexcusable. :vincepalm:
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I've been saying this for so long. Disgusting how everyone treated the Raiders as some easy win. Delusional and arrogant for no reason.
 
Im not pissed we're 3-3, thats fine given the strength of schedule the first 6 weeks. Im pissed because we SHOULD BE 4-2 and we blew it. Next week becomes a MUST WIN. Going down 3-4 and a loss to the only team in our division that will give us a run for our money is not acceptable.
 
I would normally think this way, but no more. This team can be 6-0! I'll even concede the Saints game and say 5-1.
Today, the D played well enough to win. This is on Schaub and the offense. Does that include Kubiak? Yes. End of discussion. :gun:
 
Is this thread an attempt to take today's loss out of the context of the
CURRENT 2011 SEASON? You know... The one going on RIGHT NOW?
 
TexansFanatic said:
In fact, I expected it to be really ugly. I expected Schaub to get knocked out. I expected him to throw at least one pick-six.
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I did expect to see a lot of turnovers go the Ravens way.

So I've been thinking. This used to be a dangerous offense. There was a time when we were the most feared team on 1st down.... remember that?

2010, we lost little Shanny, gained Dennison & the offense slowed down. 1st half, we looked lethargic, then when our backs were against the wall, we toook off the leash.

This year, first halfs look a little better, but the second half, we're on the leash again.

What if Kubiak is trying to control (micro-manage) the offense to prevent us from experiencing those goofy things that used to happen for no reason?

So, we look back at our three losses... we lost them in the 4th Qtr.... even with the controlled offense, we're in these games to the 4th Qtr... Up until the last play of the Raiders game, we're not losing because of stupid mistakes. Uncanny mistakes.

Those mistakes, that happen during clutch time.

What if Kubiak is just getting these guys into these situations, trying to manage these "clutch times" to help our team master those situations?

What if they are showing Kubiak that they are handling those situations better..... recovering the fumble in the endzone... no turnover against the Ravens... they were +7 coming into this game & they didn't get one turnover today.

What if.. we take the leash off later this year & can be reasonably assured we won't see those uncanny mishaps at inopportune times?
 
DexmanC said:
Is this thread an attempt to take today's loss out of the context of the
CURRENT 2011 SEASON? You know... The one going on RIGHT NOW?
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The point of the original post was to temper all the bitching I saw in other threads about today's game.

I was thinking, "Why are these people pissed we lost an away game to the team that is likely to be the Super Bowl representative of the AFC?"

I was pissed last week. This week, not so much.

If they shape up and start winning the games they're supposed to win and throwing in a few wins against teams they're not expected to beat, I'll be happy from here on out.

But if they lose next week and start their 6th season under this regime at 3-4, I will be officially writing the regime off. Kubiak will, at that point, clearly be the problem.
 
thunderkyss said:
I did expect to see a lot of turnovers go the Ravens way.

So I've been thinking. This used to be a dangerous offense. There was a time when we were the most feared team on 1st down.... remember that?

2010, we lost little Shanny, gained Dennison & the offense slowed down. 1st half, we looked lethargic, then when our backs were against the wall, we toook off the leash.

This year, first halfs look a little better, but the second half, we're on the leash again.

What if Kubiak is trying to control (micro-manage) the offense to prevent us from experiencing those goofy things that used to happen for no reason?

So, we look back at our three losses... we lost them in the 4th Qtr.... even with the controlled offense, we're in these games to the 4th Qtr... Up until the last play of the Raiders game, we're not losing because of stupid mistakes. Uncanny mistakes.

Those mistakes, that happen during clutch time.

What if Kubiak is just getting these guys into these situations, trying to manage these "clutch times" to help our team master those situations?

What if they are showing Kubiak that they are handling those situations better..... recovering the fumble in the endzone... no turnover against the Ravens... they were +7 coming into this game & they didn't get one turnover today.

What if.. we take the leash off later this year & can be reasonably assured we won't see those uncanny mishaps at inopportune times?
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Oh, my friend, I think you are walking dangerously near the edge of the precipice that separates you from utter delusion and fantasyland.

Kubiak isn't playing interseasonal head games and taking on early losses in the interest of big wins later. Please let go of that thought right away.
 
thunderkyss said:
I did expect to see a lot of turnovers go the Ravens way.

So I've been thinking. This used to be a dangerous offense. There was a time when we were the most feared team on 1st down.... remember that?

2010, we lost little Shanny, gained Dennison & the offense slowed down. 1st half, we looked lethargic, then when our backs were against the wall, we toook off the leash.

This year, first halfs look a little better, but the second half, we're on the leash again.

What if Kubiak is trying to control (micro-manage) the offense to prevent us from experiencing those goofy things that used to happen for no reason?

So, we look back at our three losses... we lost them in the 4th Qtr.... even with the controlled offense, we're in these games to the 4th Qtr... Up until the last play of the Raiders game, we're not losing because of stupid mistakes. Uncanny mistakes.

Those mistakes, that happen during clutch time.

What if Kubiak is just getting these guys into these situations, trying to manage these "clutch times" to help our team master those situations?

What if they are showing Kubiak that they are handling those situations better..... recovering the fumble in the endzone... no turnover against the Ravens... they were +7 coming into this game & they didn't get one turnover today.

What if.. we take the leash off later this year & can be reasonably assured we won't see those uncanny mishaps at inopportune times?
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I honestly don't recall exactly how we played 3 seasons ago.

That said I recall the offense being more explosive with sage at qb. I recall sage being more of a gun slinger.

I'm trying hard to remember but I can't remember a whole lot of times the offense scored early and often in previous years. I remember being in situations where passing was necessary and we subsequently aired it out.

Shanny or no shanny I honestly have never thought of this offense as a juggernaut.
 
TexansFanatic said:
Kubiak isn't playing interseasonal head games and taking on early losses in the interest of big wins later. Please let go of that thought right away.
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If Kubiak is the control freak perfectionist we think he is, he probably thinks we lose if we played that uncontrolled-explosive style.. we lost as many games that way as we have trying to control the games.

I don't think it's necessarily a head game.... just trying to get better doing what we do.
 
thunderkyss said:
If Kubiak is the control freak perfectionist we think he is, he probably thinks we lose if we played that uncontrolled-explosive style.. we lost as many games that way as we have trying to control the games.

I don't think it's necessarily a head game.... just trying to get better doing what we do.
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If Kubiak could get his offense to score a touchdown every time they had the ball, he would.

If Kubiak could get his defense to score a touchdown every time the opposing offense had the ball, he would.

If Kubiak could get his special teams to score a touchdown every time they were on the field, he would.

But to think he is holding back any phase of his team on even one single play in an effort to produce a team that methodically controls each game from start to finish, scoring just the right amount in each quarter so as not to tip the balance, is pure fantasy.

It's a mind-blowing bit of conjecture with zero basis in reality, but I give you credit for creative thinking.
 
TexansFanatic said:
If Kubiak could get his offense to score a touchdown every time they had the ball, he would.

If Kubiak could get his defense to score a touchdown every time the opposing offense had the ball, he would.

If Kubiak could get his special teams to score a touchdown every time they were on the field, he would.

But to think he is holding back any phase of his team on even one single play in an effort to produce a team that methodically controls each game from start to finish, scoring just the right amount in each quarter so as not to tip the balance, is pure fantasy.

It's a mind-blowing bit of conjecture with zero basis in reality, but I give you credit for creative thinking.
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It's not fantasy, in fact you are quoting the Packers, Patriots, and even the Saints.

Is Arian better than Rice? Maybe

Is Shaub on par with Flacco? I'd say so, minus the arm.

etc. see where im getting at?
 
TexansFanatic said:
If Kubiak could get his offense to score a touchdown every time they had the ball, he would.

If Kubiak could get his defense to score a touchdown every time the opposing offense had the ball, he would.

If Kubiak could get his special teams to score a touchdown every time they were on the field, he would.

But to think he is holding back any phase of his team on even one single play in an effort to produce a team that methodically controls each game from start to finish, scoring just the right amount in each quarter so as not to tip the balance, is pure fantasy.

It's a mind-blowing bit of conjecture with zero basis in reality, but I give you credit for creative thinking.
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I agree, that's not what I'm saying.
 
TexansFanatic said:
Help a brother out. Where did I go astray?
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Playing fast, playing aggressive, taking shots... we're not that offense anymore. Last year, the only time we did that was when we were down by 30.

We played aggressive on offense in 2007, 2008, 2009, but there was always some goofy crap happening. 2010 he tried to slow them down, control the game but we kept digging holes we had to fight to get out of, so he'd get aggressive again & we'd look good for a little while, put ourselves in position to win, & screw up again. I think Kubiak is trying to slow them down, trying to control those situations, trying to keep the game from getting too big for our team.

The only difference between this year & last year, is that our defense has kept the games close for the most part.
 
Texans Pride said:
Who gives a crap if we "win" our division when there's a bunch of crap teams in it? For what; so we can go into the first round of the playoffs and get our asses handed to us because we play an actual real playoff team?
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Me. Probably a bunch of others too.
 
Winning a division with a bunch of crappy teams is much, much better than losing a division with a bunch of crappy teams.

We don't control what division we're in or what schedule we have. We just have to go and win.

Like I've said multiple times:

The same people who say winning a division with crappy teams is worthless and unnecessary then getting rocked in the first round are the VERY SAME people that would start a ****ing revolution if the team DIDN'T win the division with crappy teams.
 
Vinny said:
the bar stays low
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That's where it needs to be till we can prove that we'll do better.

Just because I've been lifting weights for 5 years doesn't mean that I should be benching 315 if I started at 90lbs, had a couple of accidents along the way, was doing it wrong for the first two years...

Kubiak should still go if we sneak in & are one & done. But I'd be happy to get into the play offs. I'll even go to the parade.
 
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