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Brandon Harris where are you?

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Most know I was a Harris fan and had him on my mock in second round. Loved Reed selection but was disappointed my guy was bypassed. Then my hope was resurrected with the trade back into 2nd round for him. I'm thinking, "Well Wade must see what I do. The kid can be an NFL cover corner." The guy starts his own rookie diary but posted last in early Sept and then nothing. See link
http://www.houstontexans.com/news/a...building/f5118bff-d189-45f3-9635-eac950b89e08

Kubiak said we'd see a lot more of him against Saints but he did not get into game. In fact the only stat I can find was he played against Miami but it was not much. I remember an announcer saying his name in a positive manner but nothing else.

None seems to know anything & it is almost as if he got himself into a coach's doghouse, but I can't confirm anything & nothing about an injury.

Brandon Harris where are you?
 
The way KJ has played thus far i would love to see Brandon get some snaps. Other than Aaron Williams he was the corner I liked the most in the second, and I was very happy we made the move to get him. The only knock i remember having on him is his height and Kareem is more than a few inches short of making an impact. Anybody have any ideas why he isn't playing, or did I overvalue his ability?
 
coon said:
The way KJ has played thus far i would love to see Brandon get some snaps. Other than Aaron Williams he was the corner I liked the most in the second, and I was very happy we made the move to get him. The only knock i remember having on him is his height and Kareem is more than a few inches short of making an impact. Anybody have any ideas why he isn't playing, or did I overvalue his ability?
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I had Williams as a FS and Harris was listed at 5'11" in college but measured 5'9" at combine. That was disappointing.
 
badboy said:
I had Williams as a FS and Harris was listed at 5'11" in college but measured 5'9" at combine. That was disappointing.
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Eh, if he measures 5'9, but plays like he's 5'11, then it's all good. Still, gotta see if he plays well or not. The Steelers game would be a good one to work him in as they seem like a weak passing threat.
 
Dutchrudder said:
Eh, if he measures 5'9, but plays like he's 5'11, then it's all good. Still, gotta see if he plays well or not. The Steelers game would be a good one to work him in as they seem like a weak passing threat.
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They are definitely not a weak passing threat. You have a guy like Big Ben back there that can extend the play and have a playmaker in Mike Wallace that just seems to have a knack of getting past the coverage. Not to mention Hines Ward isnt no scrub.
 
Ndevine7 said:
They are definitely not a weak passing threat. You have a guy like Big Ben back there that can extend the play and have a playmaker in Mike Wallace that just seems to have a knack of getting past the coverage. Not to mention Hines Ward isnt no scrub.
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Im already losing sleep ..... did you have to remind me ?! :choke:
 
With the current state of the Steelers O-line Big Ben has been throwing quicker and shorter week by week. They simply don't have the protection to stretch the field right now.

That will be a problem for us if KJax is giving a 10 yard cushion all game, although hopefull it will play towards the strength of JJo's gambler mentality, hopefully he can step in front of a short route or two.

The thing is, given their relative abilities, why would any QB not treat JJo as if he was Asomougha out there and just target KJax on every play??

I really hope Harris is simply behind a little because of the shortened pre-season. Does anyone know how many rookies are starting around the league compared to previous years? That would be an interesting stat to look at, and Watt looks more and more like an anomaly the more I watch him, dude is playing like a vet and has done since first practice.
 
The strange part isn't his lack of playing time....well....the REALLY strange part is how nobody ever seems to mention him unless it's a "where are you now?" thread.

Maybe he doesn't have the physical stature to be an every down corner....but like they planned on using him, as a nickel, if he can cover he needs to be playing...like....LAST week. I'm about to be on the "anybody but KJ" wagon. There's lots of room, don't worry.
 
welsh texan said:
With the current state of the Steelers O-line Big Ben has been throwing quicker and shorter week by week. They simply don't have the protection to stretch the field right now.

That will be a problem for us if KJax is giving a 10 yard cushion all game, although hopefull it will play towards the strength of JJo's gambler mentality, hopefully he can step in front of a short route or two.

The thing is, given their relative abilities, why would any QB not treat JJo as if he was Asomougha out there and just target KJax on every play??

I really hope Harris is simply behind a little because of the shortened pre-season. Does anyone know how many rookies are starting around the league compared to previous years? That would be an interesting stat to look at, and Watt looks more and more like an anomaly the more I watch him, dude is playing like a vet and has done since first practice.
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How accurate is Ben R. when he is rushing the pass? For some reason I picture him as not that accurate which would be to our benefit.
 
TimeKiller said:
The strange part isn't his lack of playing time....well....the REALLY strange part is how nobody ever seems to mention him unless it's a "where are you now?" thread.

Maybe he doesn't have the physical stature to be an every down corner....but like they planned on using him, as a nickel, if he can cover he needs to be playing...like....LAST week. I'm about to be on the "anybody but KJ" wagon. There's lots of room, don't worry.
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Texans got several high marks for going back into second & drafting Harris so I'm puzzled.
 
Section516 said:
He has to play this weekend. Has to. Right?

:choke:
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Man I truly have no clue. If he does not, someone needs to explain. I cannot figure out why he is no longer posting in his Rookie Diary. Almost like he got sucker punched by a coach and went low key or silent mode.
 
Ndevine7 said:
I think we have already learned that the hard way
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So placing the wrong player in the position means no rookie should start? I think it had more to do with KJ's skills than his being a rookie.
Sure it would be nice if he could have played behind a vet but his skills set still would have to be changed. Wade has spoken on this.
 
badboy said:
So placing the wrong player in the position means no rookie should start? I think it had more to do with KJ's skills than his being a rookie.
Sure it would be nice if he could have played behind a vet but his skills set still would have to be changed. Wade has spoken on this.
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I never said no rookie should start. Just said I do not like throwing a player out there that may not be ready yet. Cornerback position is one of the hardest transitions from college to nfl imo. Obviously we wish we had a vet that KJ could learn from but we didnt and he was thrown to the wolves. I just hope that he doesnt lose his confidence and can get better but who knows.
 
Has anybody really noticed Texan spacing in secondary? seem's to me Quin, the SS, is up quite a bit (short/middle) while Manning plays more deep zone. They just need time to trust each other back & know they have safety help over the top like New England did last season with McCourtey, then the corners can play more press coverage & aggressive, if they get beat, bang here comes safety help. Wade is playing them too conservative, Joseph needs to convince him his guys are ready to play more man. Like Kareem @ nickle I believe he can be a playmaker there & put Harris outside, let them work together & develop some chemistry. Pittsburgh would be an excellent opportunity to really press them & see who :choke:
 
Ndevine7 said:
I never said no rookie should start. Just said I do not like throwing a player out there that may not be ready yet. Cornerback position is one of the hardest transitions from college to nfl imo. Obviously we wish we had a vet that KJ could learn from but we didnt and he was thrown to the wolves. I just hope that he doesnt lose his confidence and can get better but who knows.
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You replied to Allstar's:
If there's one thing you don't wanna do, it's putting a rookie CB on the field before he's ready.

Seems like exactly what you were saying.

I agree that he was thrown to the wolves but a different CB would have done much better. I apologise if I come across as attacking but I am really tired of folks defending KJ. Even if his skill sets were different than what we needed, he should be doing much better.
 
badboy said:
You replied to Allstar's:
If there's one thing you don't wanna do, it's putting a rookie CB on the field before he's ready.

Seems like exactly what you were saying.

I agree that he was thrown to the wolves but a different CB would have done much better. I apologise if I come across as attacking but I am really tired of folks defending KJ. Even if his skill sets were different than what we needed, he should be doing much better.
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I was saying that I do not think KJ was ready last year. Not to say that even if he had a vet to groom him into the position he would be any better but I felt that we learned from KJ that we should not rush our rookie CBs onto the field and that might be a reason that Brandon Harris has not played yet. I was not trying to defend KJ he has been a huge disappointment and obviously i hope he can become what we envisioned when we drafted him but honestly i have no idea, it could just be a huge waste of a 1st round pick
 
Ndevine7 said:
I was saying that I do not think KJ was ready last year. Not to say that even if he had a vet to groom him into the position he would be any better but I felt that we learned from KJ that we should not rush our rookie CBs onto the field and that might be a reason that Brandon Harris has not played yet. I was not trying to defend KJ he has been a huge disappointment and obviously i hope he can become what we envisioned when we drafted him but honestly i have no idea, it could just be a huge waste of a 1st round pick
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My mock draft partner Beerlover thinks KJ will be a very good nickle corner. That would be fantastic if one of our other young guys stepped up for CB 2. If we don't do better against STeelers, I will suggest we move Quin back.
 
badboy said:
My mock draft partner Beerlover thinks KJ will be a very good nickle corner. That would be fantastic if one of our other young guys stepped up for CB 2. If we don't do better against STeelers, I will suggest we move Quin back.
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Yes & yes but don't you just love Quin as Texan SS? He already has been terrific & it's only been three games @ his new position.
 
badboy said:
My mock draft partner Beerlover thinks KJ will be a very good nickle corner. That would be fantastic if one of our other young guys stepped up for CB 2. If we don't do better against STeelers, I will suggest we move Quin back.
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Not a bad suggestion. Quin would be a solid number 2 and hopefully KJ could play nickel better then he plays #2. Id be interested in seeing how well Nolan plays SS/FS full time (depending if they moved Manning to SS). Optimal situation for me would be for KJ to step up and man down that #2 spot or like you suggested a young guy like Harris or McCain or even McManis to emerge and handle that #2 spot.
 
beerlover said:
Yes & yes but don't you just love Quin as Texan SS? He already has been terrific & it's only been three games @ his new position.
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Yeah, we argued for Quin being moved to safety for so long and got blasted repeatedly. Remember those days not so long ago? Quin has prospered just as we said. Wonder how Allen would look opposite Manning and backing up Joseph? Put Manning behind Quin and we just mightr have solved or at least reduced the problem.
 
Ndevine7 said:
Not a bad suggestion. Quin would be a solid number 2 and hopefully KJ could play nickel better then he plays #2. Id be interested in seeing how well Nolan plays SS/FS full time (depending if they moved Manning to SS). Optimal situation for me would be for KJ to step up and man down that #2 spot or like you suggested a young guy like Harris or McCain or even McManis to emerge and handle that #2 spot.
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I am impatient but it seems as if we are just waiting for something to get better rather than trying to problem solve.
 
Anyone see Brandon Harris out there?

I saw him on a couple of plays & thought he looked outstanding.... for a young player & the short amount of time I saw him on the field.

I only noticed him twice, don't know how often he was out there. There was one play, where he was on a receiver, I think it was Moore on the Texans' sideline. They hiked the ball, and the receiver couldn't get around him. He checked him with his hands, stayed in front of him & the ball was out of the QBs hands before the receiver could figure out how to get around him.

Anyone else seen him out there?
 
thunderkyss said:
Anyone see Brandon Harris out there?

I saw him on a couple of plays & thought he looked outstanding.... for a young player & the short amount of time I saw him on the field.

I only noticed him twice, don't know how often he was out there. There was one play, where he was on a receiver, I think it was Moore on the Texans' sideline. They hiked the ball, and the receiver couldn't get around him. He checked him with his hands, stayed in front of him & the ball was out of the QBs hands before the receiver could figure out how to get around him.

Anyone else seen him out there?
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My fear is that he's not out there solely because they don't want another Kareem Jackson disaster by sending him out there too early. I think he needs to get reps either way and I'm hoping that he gets the nod by the end of the season.
 
I think Wade is doing with Harris what Kubiak should have done with KJ last year. Let him sit and learn and watch some film. He needs to get the big picture and absorb as much info. as possible and then faze him into the game slowly on special teams and as the dime CB occasionally. Unfortunately we didn't have that luxury last year with KJ since Kubiak is an *****.
 
Wolf6151 said:
I think Wade is doing with Harris what Kubiak should have done with KJ last year. Let him sit and learn and watch some film. He needs to get the big picture and absorb as much info. as possible and then faze him into the game slowly on special teams and as the dime CB occasionally. Unfortunately we didn't have that luxury last year with KJ since Kubiak is an *****.
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You can't win with this crowd. Last year people howled at Kubiak for putting the rook out there and letting him get burned. This year the rook is slowly brought along and given time to learn and the crowd howls again.

Texans fans don't know what they want.
 
Doppelganger said:
You can't win with this crowd. Last year people howled at Kubiak for putting the rook out there and letting him get burned. This year the rook is slowly brought along and given time to learn and the crowd howls again.

Texans fans don't know what they want.
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Epic.

Only because it's true though.

If he's getting worked into a few drives, maybe once or twice a game here and there....I'm good with it. Jason Allen isn't quite as bad as people think, they just love to spout and he's the easiest target (I know, I know). Harris will have his day here but I know this much, penalties on special teams isn't doing him a damn thing toward getting on the field.

:koolaid: anyone?
 
Doppelganger said:
You can't win with this crowd. Last year people howled at Kubiak for putting the rook out there and letting him get burned. This year the rook is slowly brought along and given time to learn and the crowd howls again.

Texans fans don't know what they want.
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Isn't that the Truth
 
Way too much wringing of hands about the CB2 position (not because there is not a need of upgrade) , but because it all seems to ignore the real fact that the defense is through 5 weeks better than it was at any point in 2010. Jackson and Allen are flawed players, but the play all arounnd them is better. I mean it is better that teams are attacking one dude versus attack anybody back there. that is what happened last year.
 
Doppelganger said:
You can't win with this crowd. Last year people howled at Kubiak for putting the rook out there and letting him get burned. This year the rook is slowly brought along and given time to learn and the crowd howls again.

Texans fans don't know what they want.
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I think your focus is incorrect. It is not about a rookie corner startingbut KJ startin. He and Harris are two different type players. KJ was not starting material as a rookie, Harris should be.
 
badboy said:
I think your focus is incorrect. It is not about a rookie corner startingbut KJ startin. He and Harris are two different type players. KJ was not starting material as a rookie, Harris should be.
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Ok. Why should Harris be starting material but not KJ? KJ was drafted in the mid first and Harris at the end of the second. KJ played in "DB genius" Nick Saban's defense whereas Harris played for The U that has not been U like in years. KJ had OTAs, a full training camp, etc to learn the new Defense. Harris had about 2 weeks once he signed the contract before the first preseason game.

So, please explain to me why you think Harris should be starting material as a rookie whereas KJ should not have been?
 
Doppelganger said:
Ok. Why should Harris be starting material but not KJ? KJ was drafted in the mid first and Harris at the end of the second. KJ played in "DB genius" Nick Saban's defense whereas Harris played for The U that has not been U like in years. KJ had OTAs, a full training camp, etc to learn the new Defense. Harris had about 2 weeks once he signed the contract before the first preseason game.

So, please explain to me why you think Harris should be starting material as a rookie whereas KJ should not have been?
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2 different type CBs. Harris is a cover and KJ bump & run. Once KJ makes contact within the chuck zone, vet WRs can re-direct him or push him off balance. Harris mirrors the WR with no initial contact allowing him to be within striking range when the ball arrives.

Both are fast KJ 4.48 and Harris 4.43 but KJ has an "uh,oh" moment and mentally lags going into correction mode. Harris will make mistakes also but eliminate the "bump" errors. I'd love to see KJ "mirror" the WR down field and see how he does but that hasn't happened. Coach has him playing way off WR to avoid the rookie booboos.

I did not expected Harris to necessarily be day one starter but he should definitely have his opportunity now. I watched Harris last year and considerde him superior to KJ. Why is Harris getting shot at FS but not KJ. When Allen is starting why not give KJ a shot at safety?
 
badboy said:
Why is Harris getting shot at FS but not KJ. When Allen is starting why not give KJ a shot at safety?
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KJ looks lost at times out there. Safeties don't have to have corner speed, but they do have to have good instincts and vision. The "mental lagging" on his part that you mentioned shows me he doesn't exactly have that. That would be my guess as to why he isn't given a shot. When asked on Monday about Allen or Jackson at safety, Kubiak said Allen's name came up. No mention of KJ at all in that regards. That tells me something right there.
 
scourge said:
KJ looks lost at times out there. Safeties don't have to have corner speed, but they do have to have good instincts and vision. The "mental lagging" on his part that you mentioned shows me he doesn't exactly have that. That would be my guess as to why he isn't given a shot. When asked on Monday about Allen or Jackson at safety, Kubiak said Allen's name came up. No mention of KJ at all in that regards. That tells me something right there.
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That tells me that Wade thinks Kj is developing fine as a CB & they are trying to find ways to keep Allen on the field. They obviously like both players.
 
He's on the team. He tweeted a while back that he was practicing as if he was going to start because he wants to be ready when called.

Jason Allen is playing well and Jackson is having the season he was supposed to have as a rookie so I'm sure he's getting bumped down a bit.
 
All of the aforementioned reasons, as well as the coaching staff realizing that sticking rookies in the secondary can really screw you over.
 
Allstar said:
All of the aforementioned reasons, as well as the coaching staff realizing that sticking rookies in the secondary can really screw you over.
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Exactly, I don't think they want to throw him out there. Besides, we don't really need him right now. I would look for him next year though. In case Jason Allen or one of our other corners wants to jump ship and test the market.
 
He's been inactive the past couple of weeks, I think he is basically just a fill in if somebody who plays primarily Special Teams like McMannis gets hurt. The last time he was active was when McMannis got hurt, don't think we'll see him at CB this year barring any major injuries in the Secondary. What we're doing now is working, no need to force the issue.
 
Harris is basically being redshirted this year so that he's ready for next year. It's what Kubiak should have done with KJ last year but didn't have a choice since we didn't get anyone in FA last year.
 
I think Allen & KJ are playing well enough to not need Harris. I still like the Harris pick, though, as a precautionary if the Allen/KJ combo didn't work out.
 
Personally, I didn't expect Kareem and Jason Allen to play as well as they've been playing. I expected them to both get benched and Brandon to be starting by this point. On top of that McCain and McMannis have been playing well.

I was totally and completely wrong.

It's going to be interesting to see how he develops.
 
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