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Many may remember how disappointed I was with Texans not drafting Toby Gerhart. I was only slightly mollified when Texans traded back up for Ben Tate & thought they had mishandled the whole thing. Then last season, bam, Tate goes out for season and that only made me steam more. Well it isn't regular season but Ben Tate is looking like another Arian Foster. Big, Fast and catches the ball well. For those who might want a read on Tate's info before draft, see the following.
http://nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=66552&draftyear=2010&genpos=RB
 
Tate is amazing.. never lost faith in him. I'm glad he's proving the doubters wrong, not only with his talent, but with his obvious passion and love for the game (for the coaches/posters getting on him for his hammy injuries).

Above all, he's shown to have developed a veteran awareness to the game even though he missed his entire rookie season(where the defenders are, switching football to the outside hands when close to sidelines).... and he loves contact. Him & Foster is just going to be spectacular this year... dare I say, challenging the Panthers duo as the best in the league?

Ohhh, and I just remember this one goober freaking out after we passed on Gerhart for a trade down/Tate. Just going berserk everytime someone post something positive about Tate, especially if they post his highlights video(LOL!). Even going as far as keeping their stats in his signature as a comparison during the season.... and even taking it out his sign before the end of the season; when he realizes that Tate wasn't too far off from Gerhart production... while in his cast :vincepalm:

good times
 
Ben Tate is the real deal and possesses everything to be a front line RB in this league. What's so impressive about his performance tonight is how he had it in his very first game back after not playing for almost a full year.

This kid showed me something tonight, he's going to be good.
 
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Hey, let's not forget Ward who did pretty well last season. I'd like to see Slaton do well just because I like the guy. I really enjoyed his rookie season.
 
Carr Bombed said:
Ben Tate is the real deal and possesses everything to be a front line RB in this league. What's so impressive about his performance tonight is how he had it in his very first performance after not playing for almost a full year.

This kid showed me something tonight, he's going to be good.
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badboy said:
Hey, let's not forget Ward who did pretty well last season. I'd like to see Slaton do well just because I like the guy. I really enjoyed his rookie season.
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Lets not forget that this is ONE preseason game out of two years. I'm as juice as anyone about his performance, but it is what it is and when what it is.
 
I'll admit I'm pleasantly surprised by him this camp. To my mind I'd kind of written him off after the injury and the emergence of Arian Foster.

I'm loving him at the moment.
 
Hallucinate.
Desegregate.

Alleviate
Mediate


Try NOT to HATE


And LOVE BEN TATE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VFUEgFdP5zE
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He's already done more than Bennie Joppru at least
 
DocBar said:
Lets not forget that this is ONE preseason game out of two years. I'm as juice as anyone about his performance, but it is what it is and when what it is.
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He showed that he has the talent and skill though. He belongs on this level. Nobody is talking about his durability or the long haul. He still has to prove that. But he has the talent and instincts.
 
Carr Bombed said:
He showed that he has the talent and skill though. He belongs on this level. Nobody is talking about his durability or the long haul. He still has to prove that. But he has the talent and instincts.
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I agree, but I'm not ready to rename him Campbell yet. Too many were ready to do that after the ptiful performance of ob last week.
 
DocBar said:
Lets not forget that this is ONE preseason game out of two years. I'm as juice as anyone about his performance, but it is what it is and when what it is.
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Of course, but you look at the way he hits the holes, goes into 2nd gear when he gets past the line of scrimmage and the way he runs. He knows enough to move the ball away from the tackler to protect it and can do that in full stride. That is not an easy thing to do. He is so big 225 pounds and runs 4.4 forty. That is amazing. We have three bulldozers in Foster, Tate and Ward. We should now be able to pound the ball downfield if we need to.

Also want to say the first string offensive line look very good.
 
DocBar said:
I agree, but I'm not ready to rename him Campbell yet. Too many were ready to do that after the ptiful performance of ob last week.
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I don't think anybody is calling the guy Earl. He flashed special abilities though. He just needs to stay healthy. He has that rare size/speed combination and is in a great system.
 
badboy said:
Of course, but you look at the way he hits the holes, goes into 2nd gear when he gets past the line of scrimmage and the way he runs. He knows enough to move the ball away from the tackler to protect it and can do that in full stride. That is not an easy thing to do. He is so big 225 pounds and runs 4.4 forty. That is amazing. We have three bulldozers in Foster, Tate and Ward. We should now be able to pound the ball downfield if we need to.

Also want to say the first string offensive line look very good.
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Please don't take my caution the wrong way. I'm happier than a sissy with a peter in his mouth right now. I just have to pinch myself right now.
 
DocBar said:
Please don't take my caution the wrong way. I'm happier than a sissy with a peter in his mouth right now. I just have to pinch myself right now.
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Ok with your caution but your 2nd sentence seems a bit much in a forum where children can read.
 
How about having a 9.5-ish YPC??? That's a three puppy happy if I ever saw one.
 
DocBar said:
I agree, but I'm not ready to rename him Campbell yet. Too many were ready to do that after the ptiful performance of ob last week.
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Not sure why anyone was trying to crown Obi after the game last week, but Tate clearly has the talent and skill to play in this league. Even on the run he got hurt on last year, he made a nice cut. Tate has vision and speed, too, something OB27 doesn't have.
 
badboy said:
You seem to be a classy guy & just pushing the line a bit for humor. I would not have mentioned it if I did not respect you. Enough said.
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Thank you....thank you very much...we need an Elvis smilie....
 
There is suddenly an embarrassment of riches at the running back position in Houston.

The second string running back is paid better than the first string running back. Is anybody else seeing the inevitable dilemma facing the general manager at the end of this season?

Foster is going to want a payday. But if Tate pans out as a viable number one, wouldn't it be wise to trade Foster and let someone else pay him?

I'm going to enjoy this season and see how it plays out, but that's what I'm seeing developing here.
 
Tate looks really good. I hope his health doesn't fail him. He looks like hershecl walker the way he runs. I am excited even though I know it's only preseason I can't help it.

Ben said 'saints tell me how my ass Tate'
 
TexansFanatic said:
There is suddenly an embarrassment of riches at the running back position in Houston.

The second string running back is paid better than the first string running back. Is anybody else seeing the inevitable dilemma facing the general manager at the end of this season?

Foster is going to want a payday. But if Tate pans out as a viable number one, wouldn't it be wise to trade Foster and let someone else pay him?

I'm going to enjoy this season and see how it plays out, but that's what I'm seeing developing here.
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I've been thinking on this some. Do you take Foster at his word or does he go all Chris Johnson? That should be avery fluid situation. How many carries, ypc, situations, 1st downs, touchdowns. It will be a mess if he decides he wants the money. We are at salary cap hell right now.
 
TexansFanatic said:
There is suddenly an embarrassment of riches at the running back position in Houston.

The second string running back is paid better than the first string running back. Is anybody else seeing the inevitable dilemma facing the general manager at the end of this season?

Foster is going to want a payday. But if Tate pans out as a viable number one, wouldn't it be wise to trade Foster and let someone else pay him?

I'm going to enjoy this season and see how it plays out, but that's what I'm seeing developing here.
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Nah I think the odd man out will be Ward. He's a good RB too but if Tate can be that explosive in the regular season the Texans are keeping both around some way some how. Hopefully we can hang onto them both and we'll have a similar duo like how the Jags had Fred Jackson and MJD.
 
DocBar said:
I've been thinking on this some. Do you take Foster at his word or does he go all Chris Johnson? That should be avery fluid situation. How many carries, ypc, situations, 1st downs, touchdowns. It will be a mess if he decides he wants the money. We are at salary cap hell right now.
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Tate's salary is probably low enough to accommodate a big payday for Foster. But is it wise to keep two marquee running backs when you can use that money to address another position?

Obviously I'm making some massive assumptions, but it's something to think about.
 
fiasco west said:
Nah I think the odd man out will be Ward. He's a good RB too but if Tate can be that explosive in the regular season the Texans are keeping both around some way some how. Hopefully we can hang onto them both and we'll have a similar duo like how the Jags had Fred Jackson and MJD.
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????????????????????????????????????????????? We're gonna cut Ward, who averaged 6.3 YPC last season and 4.9 YPC career, for who???? Dude, that's as effed up as a football bat. Step away from the Astro's and drop the fiasco....just sayin...:scarygirl:
After 2 PS games, if anyone is getting cut or trade, it's OG or SS. The only way I'd trade Foster is for a deal like the cOwboys got for Walker, or for AP or CJ, straight up.
 
DocBar said:
????????????????????????????????????????????? We're gonna cut Ward, who averaged 6.3 YPC last season and 4.9 YPC career, for who???? Dude, that's as effed up as a football bat. Step away from the Astro's and drop the fiasco....just sayin...:scarygirl:
After 2 PS games, if anyone is getting cut or trade, it's OG or SS. The only way I'd trade Foster is for a deal like the cOwboys got for Walker, or for AP or CJ, straight up.
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We are talking about the future not the present. Ward obviously is not getting cut. But at the same time the dude is not going to sit around and be a 3rd string RB unless he just loves the city and is content to end his career here.

I only meant that the odd man out is Ward because if Tate is as good as he looks than the Texans like any normal NFL team is going to go with the younger HB over the vet one.
 
DocBar said:
I've been thinking on this some. Do you take Foster at his word or does he go all Chris Johnson? That should be avery fluid situation. How many carries, ypc, situations, 1st downs, touchdowns. It will be a mess if he decides he wants the money. We are at salary cap hell right now.
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As long as the salary cap increases like it is suppose to once the new TV contracts start in 2013, we should be fine.
 
TexansFanatic said:
There is suddenly an embarrassment of riches at the running back position in Houston.

The second string running back is paid better than the first string running back. Is anybody else seeing the inevitable dilemma facing the general manager at the end of this season?

Foster is going to want a payday. But if Tate pans out as a viable number one, wouldn't it be wise to trade Foster and let someone else pay him?

I'm going to enjoy this season and see how it plays out, but that's what I'm seeing developing here.
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No, unless we get an unbelievable offer. We (Texans) control Foster's situation as we do Mario's. Difference is Foster was best RB in NFL last season and shows no sign of relinquishing the title easily. Mario is not the best DE and is so so as OLB thus far.

Foster will get huge raise even if tagged and Tate is under contract so he has nothing to say unless he gets stupid like a certain QB on another team. This is where we start building team strength. Man, I am so looking forward to next draft. We could be looking for best player availabe every round rather than positional needs.

Come on cornerbacks and safeties. Get better quickly.
 
Give some credit to the Oline and their run blocking. It is great. Tate was barely touched on his first TD. That 23-28 yard TD from Foster, he beat one guy and everyone else was just out of the play.

Kubes brought in this ZBS and it took awhile to get it going, but now that it has pretty much any guy that gets put back there produces. NOT saying that you can find a Foster or Tate anywhere, when you see those guys run you see the dynamic ability. You see that they can turn a one yard loss to a 5 yard gain. With Obi you see he gets exactly what the line gives him most of the time.
 
the shannhan tree of coaches are know to plug any running back in and they will do solid
 
Norg said:
the shannhan tree of coaches are know to plug any running back in and they will do solid
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Bingo. Which is why I can't see the organization paying two running backs starter money. Why do that when you can just go out and get an undrafted free agent and plug him in.
 
DocBar said:
Only if we lose MW or sign him to a radically revised, cap friendly contract.
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They could just do what they did to AJ, Antonio, and Meco...give Mario and Arian huge signing bonuses so they don't count against the cap. I was very impressed with Tate though. He has such great vision and speed. He's like Arian almost.
 
GuerillaBlack said:
They could just do what they did to AJ, Antonio, and Meco...give Mario and Arian huge signing bonuses so they don't count against the cap. I was very impressed with Tate though. He has such great vision and speed. He's like Arian almost.
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He kinda reminds me of a bigger MJD. His lower body seems very strong, at one point in the game...the part where the Saints were flagged for unnecessary roughness...Tate had a DT literally hanging on his back and this big 300+ lb dude still couldn't bring him down.

I also agree though that there are ways to play with the cap so that you can keep all your key guys. Just look at the Eagles, it looks like they don't even have a cap.
 
fiasco west said:
Give some credit to the Oline and their run blocking. It is great. Tate was barely touched on his first TD. That 23-28 yard TD from Foster, he beat one guy and everyone else was just out of the play.

Kubes brought in this ZBS and it took awhile to get it going, but now that it has pretty much any guy that gets put back there produces. NOT saying that you can find a Foster or Tate anywhere, when you see those guys run you see the dynamic ability. You see that they can turn a one yard loss to a 5 yard gain. With Obi you see he gets exactly what the line gives him most of the time.
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Absolutely not true. I discussed this on another thread and Kubes ZBS has had only two RBs do well. Slayton in his rookie year and Foster in his first non-injured year, although he did look good in the last few gamnes two seasons ago after injury.

The ZBS is now working because of whom we have on Oline. None are great players but fit system well and are now healthy and working well together. If our team continues to develop, I could see us drafting O linemen in next draft rather high.
 
badboy said:
Many may remember how disappointed I was with Texans not drafting Toby Gerhart. I was only slightly mollified when Texans traded back up for Ben Tate & thought they had mishandled the whole thing. Then last season, bam, Tate goes out for season and that only made me steam more. Well it isn't regular season but Ben Tate is looking like another Arian Foster. Big, Fast and catches the ball well. For those who might want a read on Tate's info before draft, see the following.
http://nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=66552&draftyear=2010&genpos=RB
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I know you and I went back and forth on Tate - Gerhart during that draft .... Its good to see Tate show us why he was drafted so high. Both he and Foster looked like they coulda run all over the Aints all night long ...
 
badboy said:
Absolutely not true. I discussed this on another thread and Kubes ZBS has had only two RBs do well. Slayton in his rookie year and Foster in his first non-injured year, although he did look good in the last few gamnes two seasons ago after injury.

The ZBS is now working because of whom we have on Oline. None are great players but fit system well and are now healthy and working well together. If our team continues to develop, I could see us drafting O linemen in next draft rather high.
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Derrick Ward didn't produce? The year after Slaton's rookie year was such a mash-up of RBs and that was what led to drafting Tate. But obviously the talent on the Oline has a lot to do with why it is working now, that's why at the very start of that post I said give credit to those guys too. Any ways it is true since i'm talking about recently and not about when Slaton was the premier HB for the Texans.
 
Corrosion said:
I know you and I went back and forth on Tate - Gerhart during that draft .... Its good to see Tate show us why he was drafted so high. Both he and Foster looked like they coulda run all over the Aints all night long ...
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Yep, I was thoroughly disgusted with Smith that draft. Still think Gerhart would have been awesome but I also wanted to get away from ZBS and use a more in your face, knock the Dline back type. The odd thing is this corps of RBs would do as well in my preferred system as in ZBS. If I remember correctly we had to give up a significant draft choice to trade back up to get Tate & that is what really made me hot. We could have had Toby and the other pick. I was not so much against Tate but the way the whole fiasco took place.
 
fiasco west said:
Derrick Ward didn't produce? The year after Slaton's rookie year was such a mash-up of RBs and that was what led to drafting Tate. But obviously the talent on the Oline has a lot to do with why it is working now, that's why at the very start of that post I said give credit to those guys too. Any ways it is true since i'm talking about recently and not about when Slaton was the premier HB for the Texans.
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50 attempts for 315 yards is great per carry but no one gets excited with an RB with 300 yds. I think it is understood the other post was refering to Denver's backs who would get 1,000 yds per season.
http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/5760/derrick-ward
 
badboy said:
50 attempts for 315 yards is great per carry but no one gets excited with an RB with 300 yds. I think it is understood the other post was refering to Denver's backs who would get 1,000 yds per season.
http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/5760/derrick-ward
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Ward averaged 6 ypc though. It's not his fault for not getting more carries, it was Kubes for never really giving him the ball. Foster had a tremendous amount of carries last year which is great, but a few more years of that....

But Kubes has not been around that long, and the ZBS is not something that is easily learned. It's taken a few years which is why I meant that now it looks to be paying off. The first few years with Dayne was alright, he was okay but nothing to get excited about and the ZBS was still being implemented and the line was still being tweaked. The 09 season with Chris Brown and Ryan Moats was the season where we got no production out of the RB position though. Now the line is pretty much solid. I can see us picking up another guard in the first 3 rounds or a swing tackle for reserve though.

Right now pretty much any guy that comes in the game produces. Derrick Ward is producing despite the small amount of carries he's been given.
 
badboy said:
Yep, I was thoroughly disgusted with Smith that draft. Still think Gerhart would have been awesome but I also wanted to get away from ZBS and use a more in your face, knock the Dline back type. The odd thing is this corps of RBs would do as well in my preferred system as in ZBS. If I remember correctly we had to give up a significant draft choice to trade back up to get Tate & that is what really made me hot. We could have had Toby and the other pick. I was not so much against Tate but the way the whole fiasco took place.
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They traded out of the second round when they could have taken Gerhart or Tate and gained a 3rd & 4th rounder I believe .... Then they traded the 3rd & a 5th for the right to select Tate if my memory serves ..... So they actually came out ahead by trading back then up ...

Either way , Tate made Smith & Kubiak look real good in the decision to take him .... If he hadnt been injured he may have been the lead back last season ....
 
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