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Sad News: Blazing Arrow has passed away!!

Yes. A daughter about 5 years old.

Obit:
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Kian Shaun Harvey Resident of Concord Kian, beloved Husband, Father and Friend passed away Wednesday, September 15, 2010. He was born in Martinez on March 24, 1977. He attended Palmer School, Walnut Creek and graduated from De La Salle High School, Concord in 1995. He was awarded the rank of Eagle Scout in 1995. He attended UC Santa Barbara where he studied Chemistry and Economics. On June 21, 2003 he married Tammie Beth Wilson and on October 17, 2005 they were blessed with a daughter Amber Lynn Harvey. Kian was a great man with many interests and hobbies including the NFL with the Tennessee Titans being his favorite team, building and working on computers and gaming online with many friends. He enjoyed music and Bob Marley was his favorite. He loved to make people laugh and to spend time with friends and family. He was known by many for his great sense of humor and love for life. Not a day will go by that he will not be in our hearts. Kian is survived by his wife Tammie Beth Harvey, his daughter Amber Lynn Harvey, his mother Suzanne Harvey, and his Grandma Marilyn Harvey. A Memorial service to celebrate his life will be held on October 1, 2010 at 2:00 pm at the Walnut Avenue United Methodist Church, 260 Walnut Avenue, Walnut Creek.


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TO GET BACK on TRACK!!!
 
Even though I'm a new member to these boards, I send my condolences to his family and friends. Judging from what you guys have been saying about him, I seem to have really missed out on meeting a great man, husband and father.

Things like this make you realize that you shouldn't take anything or anyone for granted.

May he rest in peace.
 
Even though I'm a new member to these boards, I send my condolences to his family and friends. Judging from what you guys have been saying about him, I seem to have really missed out on meeting a great man, husband and father.

Things like this make you realize that you shouldn't take anything or anyone for granted.

May he rest in peace.

The good thing about forums is the database.

I suggest, search his name and have a look at some of the threads he was defending the Titans honor (ha!) in. He'd stand up for himself for sure, and some of the back and to comments were hilarious.
 
Dude, I'll just move on and agree to disagree. I was just trying make a point/advice to DB and Nitro that's all. Others posted personal storries and are just as offtopic as me. That is not anything to worry about.

There's nothing to disagree about. There's nothing to agree to disagree about!! This ain't about you Gary.. This ain't about me!! This isn't about those "Others posted personal storries"!Now, agree to agree about that.... then we'll move on.

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Mods, will you please lock this thread and a special request... Delete from page 7 on. :gun:
 
New topic:

The best way to remember someone is to help them live on. Can anyone imagine the topics BA would have created after the Moss signing?

I hope he gets to watch ESPN from wherever he's gone :)
 
New topic:

The best way to remember someone is to help them live on. Can anyone imagine the topics BA would have created after the Moss signing?

I hope he gets to watch ESPN from wherever he's gone :)

Man, he would have been unbearable at the moment (I could have seen an "AJ not best receiver in AFC South, nevermind NFL" thread created by him), and then in a few weeks after he realizes that Tennessee also isn''t New England he'd have got it.

Definitely hope he gets ESPN though....need to get the live coverage of Randy's next meltdown interview.
 
New topic:

The best way to remember someone is to help them live on. Can anyone imagine the topics BA would have created after the Moss signing?

I hope he gets to watch ESPN from wherever he's gone :)

Nice!!!

Well I would suspect (given the fact that he could be critical of VY) he might say something like: "Randy Moss is a nice pick-up but would good is he when our QB can't get the ball to him." :lol:
 
Disclaimer: Gary, this isn't directed at you. Looks like you might have taken some friendly fire already and I'm not trying to add to it.

When a young guy dies from a heart attack, it hits home with guys older than or around the same age.

It makes us wonder why it happened and what we could do to keep it from happening to us. Sorry man, we can't help it.

Go look at Hou-Tex's thread from a few weeks back for an example.

To me, a.) thoughts and prayers b.) remembering the departed and and c.) talking about how we can avoid mortality ourselves are natural reactions to this kind of thing. This is the same kind of stuff that we talk about at funerals.

Before my next doctor's visit, I'll probably search this thread again to find Bill's quote again so I'll know what to get checked.

We as men, need to quit being the guys that we are. We tend to stay away from doctors. We have a hard time going to hospitals (even if to visit a close friend that suffered a major stroke).... BUT You have to. I've made it a point to at the very least, get a yearly check up, including blood work, a chest x-ray and an EKG (I think it is... the one where they put like 13 probes or whatever all over your body)...


It was this process that encouraged me about 16 or 17 months ago, to drop around 48 pounds. My cholesterol was out of whack. My Triglycerides were over 600 (they're supposed to be under 150) and my blood pressure was hovering around "pre-hypertension"...

Since then, like I said, I lost 48 pounds. My BP is in check (although it spikes at times), Triglycerides are waaaaay down. Not where they should be, but I cut that 6+ in half and finally cholesterol is down to 159......


Sorry for the long, drawn out BS......... BOTTOM LINE. Get checked out regularly!!!

I personally don't see what's wrong with comments like the above one. Apparently some people do and want to start arguing over it in this thread of all places. To them, I'd suggest going back and deleting the argumentative comments and try to make this thread the memorial that Blazing Arrow deserves.

I like having fans from other teams as regulars on this board and relating to them as other people (instead of the enemy.) Having said that, Blazing Arrow's departure has left a real void on this board.
 
Disclaimer: Gary, this isn't directed at you. Looks like you might have taken some friendly fire already and I'm not trying to add to it.

When a young guy dies from a heart attack, it hits home with guys older than or around the same age.

It makes us wonder why it happened and what we could do to keep it from happening to us. Sorry man, we can't help it.

Go look at Hou-Tex's thread from a few weeks back for an example.

To me, a.) thoughts and prayers b.) remembering the departed and and c.) talking about how we can avoid mortality ourselves are natural reactions to this kind of thing. This is the same kind of stuff that we talk about at funerals.

Before my next doctor's visit, I'll probably search this thread again to find Bill's quote again so I'll know what to get checked.



I personally don't see what's wrong with comments like the above one. Apparently some people do and want to start arguing over it in this thread of all places. To them, I'd suggest going back and deleting the argumentative comments and try to make this thread the memorial that Blazing Arrow deserves.

I like having fans from other teams as regulars on this board and relating to them as other people (instead of the enemy.) Having said that, Blazing Arrow's departure has left a real void on this board.

Well said, and definitley repped....
 
Woder how we could send $$$ to a college fund for his daughter?

And yes everything after page 7 should be deleted. IMHO
 
Found out from StarStruck about this and wanted to comment

This hits really deep on 2 fronts. 1) I never met BA but I really loved his stuff and I never took anything he wrote as vindictive. Just sounded like a fun guy talking noise to his rivals 2) I had, as many here know, a random heart issue that almost killed me at age 30 and then a surgery that came from the arrythmia it caused in 2008. If you didn't know the inital heart problem came from a virus I got..like the flu(I had chills and fever for 2 days)..that just attacked my heart. I had many symptoms talked about in here after the sickness went away....burping, chest tightness, etc...and ignored it until I couldn't anymore and then they told me my heart was enlarged 50%, it was out of rhythm and my ejection fraction or pumping strength was down to 20%. I survived and came back completely but many don't. A family friend of ours died from the same thing. I'm not sure what happened to BA but it could have been similar or it could have been a defect. So for all the guys out there, don't be macho. Your body sends you signals for a reason. If you feel "off" or have anything that doesn't jive, check it out. I'd rather be a little paranoid and careful than in serious trouble. They have incredible technology to see every little thing in your body now. Also, I'd recommend flu shots. I never got them until I had kids but I always wonder if that strain or whatever I got could have been prevented. It won't make you sick and it will protect you.

RIP BA. Prayers to your wife and child. I hope you got one big hug from both the day this happened.

Late


I think this is exactly whats happening to me! Im 30 Years old and in February of this year I caught the flu, I went to Doctor could not breath pulse was up to 160. The doctor ran some test confirmed it was the flu and gave me medicine. The flu went away but then all my symtoms started. I have good days and bad days Tightness in chest, heart arrythmias, anxious or like I have to take a deep breath. I did an ECG aka as an EKG and it did show my heart was having Premature Ventricular Contractions (PVC). I went to cardiologist but he wanted to but me on a monitor for like 45 days, so I never went back. This been going on for 9 months now and I dont tell my friends and family because I don't want them to worry. I don't know, maybe I should go back to Doctor.
 
I think this is exactly whats happening to me! Im 30 Years old and in February of this year I caught the flu, I went to Doctor could not breath pulse was up to 160. The doctor ran some test confirmed it was the flu and gave me medicine. The flu went away but then all my symtoms started. I have good days and bad days Tightness in chest, heart arrythmias, anxious or like I have to take a deep breath. I did an ECG aka as an EKG and it did show my heart was having Premature Ventricular Contractions (PVC). I went to cardiologist but he wanted to but me on a monitor for like 45 days, so I never went back. This been going on for 9 months now and I dont tell my friends and family because I don't want them to worry. I don't know, maybe I should go back to Doctor.

And sooooooo now, we're all worried... :foottap:
 
I think this is exactly whats happening to me! Im 30 Years old and in February of this year I caught the flu, I went to Doctor could not breath pulse was up to 160. The doctor ran some test confirmed it was the flu and gave me medicine. The flu went away but then all my symtoms started. I have good days and bad days Tightness in chest, heart arrythmias, anxious or like I have to take a deep breath. I did an ECG aka as an EKG and it did show my heart was having Premature Ventricular Contractions (PVC). I went to cardiologist but he wanted to but me on a monitor for like 45 days, so I never went back. This been going on for 9 months now and I dont tell my friends and family because I don't want them to worry. I don't know, maybe I should go back to Doctor.

So you'd be on a monitor for 45 days? Does this mean you'll be in a hospital bed for 45 days?
 
Until I saw the obit it did not hit home. Me and my crew had a close friend die of a heart attack, 1992, when he was 22 years old (recently his brother was sentenced to death). RIP Xavier.

Two years later the paramedics came to my door in Albany, NY and took me to the hospital as I thought I was having a heart attack, my neighbor called them in when they saw me crawling across our shared floor. Two weeks later they showed up again to take me out of my grad school class room when I felt my heart leap out my chest.

I got all the tests done, and found that my travel schedule, caffeine consumption and poor diet were responsible for screwing up my adrenaline. Not to mention I had a tough break-up with my live-in girlfriend a few weeks prior.

I have given up soda, eat fast food two to three times a month, drink water all day, and I get a check up every year. Moreover, I stopped fooling around, stayed monogamous with the girlfriends I had, and got married five years later. Will be married for 13 years in December. In the first few years of marriage I would wake up in the middle of night short of breath, it was scary, but I would just calm myself down and control my breathing and it would subside.

Recently it appears that I have developed some symptoms of asthma, and have to take medication - which I hate, thankfully I am on small doses.

We're getting older, and have a lot to lose with still so much to do, see and achieve.

RIP Kian.
 
I was just informed by ChildressTitanFan (a friend from another message board) that Blazing Arrow suffered a heart attack. His wife informed someone that share with Childress.... He was only 33 y/o.... RIP my brother.

Thoughts and prayers to his wife and entire family!!

Found out from StarStruck about this and wanted to comment

This hits really deep on 2 fronts. 1) I never met BA but I really loved his stuff and I never took anything he wrote as vindictive. Just sounded like a fun guy talking noise to his rivals 2) I had, as many here know, a random heart issue that almost killed me at age 30 and then a surgery that came from the arrythmia it caused in 2008. If you didn't know the inital heart problem came from a virus I got..like the flu(I had chills and fever for 2 days)..that just attacked my heart. I had many symptoms talked about in here after the sickness went away....burping, chest tightness, etc...and ignored it until I couldn't anymore and then they told me my heart was enlarged 50%, it was out of rhythm and my ejection fraction or pumping strength was down to 20%. I survived and came back completely but many don't. A family friend of ours died from the same thing. I'm not sure what happened to BA but it could have been similar or it could have been a defect. So for all the guys out there, don't be macho. Your body sends you signals for a reason. If you feel "off" or have anything that doesn't jive, check it out. I'd rather be a little paranoid and careful than in serious trouble. They have incredible technology to see every little thing in your body now. Also, I'd recommend flu shots. I never got them until I had kids but I always wonder if that strain or whatever I got could have been prevented. It won't make you sick and it will protect you.

RIP BA. Prayers to your wife and child. I hope you got one big hug from both the day this happened.

Late

I think this is exactly whats happening to me! Im 30 Years old and in February of this year I caught the flu, I went to Doctor could not breath pulse was up to 160. The doctor ran some test confirmed it was the flu and gave me medicine. The flu went away but then all my symtoms started. I have good days and bad days Tightness in chest, heart arrythmias, anxious or like I have to take a deep breath. I did an ECG aka as an EKG and it did show my heart was having Premature Ventricular Contractions (PVC). I went to cardiologist but he wanted to but me on a monitor for like 45 days, so I never went back. This been going on for 9 months now and I dont tell my friends and family because I don't want them to worry. I don't know, maybe I should go back to Doctor.

Are you freakin' kidding me? We lose BA, we almost lose Frog, and you don't want to wear a monitor?
 
Until I saw the obit it did not hit home. Me and my crew had a close friend die of a heart attack, 1992, when he was 22 years old (recently his brother was sentenced to death). RIP Xavier.

Two years later the paramedics came to my door in Albany, NY and took me to the hospital as I thought I was having a heart attack, my neighbor called them in when they saw me crawling across our shared floor. Two weeks later they showed up again to take me out of my grad school class room when I felt my heart leap out my chest.

I got all the tests done, and found that my travel schedule, caffeine consumption and poor diet were responsible for screwing up my adrenaline. Not to mention I had a tough break-up with my live-in girlfriend a few weeks prior.

I have given up soda, eat fast food two to three times a month, drink water all day, and I get a check up every year. Moreover, I stopped fooling around, stayed monogamous with the girlfriends I had, and got married five years later. Will be married for 13 years in December. In the first few years of marriage I would wake up in the middle of night short of breath, it was scary, but I would just calm myself down and control my breathing and it would subside.

Recently it appears that I have developed some symptoms of asthma, and have to take medication - which I hate, thankfully I am on small doses.

We're getting older, and have a lot to lose with still so much to do, see and achieve.

RIP Kian.

22? Heart attack?? WOW!!! I've lost a lot of friends, some due to accidents, some cancer, even murdered, but I don't recall any dying that early from a heart attack.


I have given up soda
Check

eat fast food two to three times a month,
Not even that often

drink water all day,
Check

and I get a check up every year
Definite check!


Who knows what caused BA's heart attack though. He was a skinny guy but we don't really know his eating habits, his family history or any of that. He could've been eating right, exercising and doing all the righ things. We just never know. All we can do is minimize our risks...
 
RIP BA... far too young to go.





Thanks your right, I think Im going to change some eating habits, exercise more and Im going in to see the doc starting the new year with a new deductible.

My wife has had to wear this before... she was miserable. If not for my insistence, she wouldn't have. Not trying to say what you should or shouldn't do regarding your health, just saying she's wore that equipment before.
 
RIP BA... far too young to go.







My wife has had to wear this before... she was miserable. If not for my insistence, she wouldn't have. Not trying to say what you should or shouldn't do regarding your health, just saying she's wore that equipment before.

Im hoping for a miricle, if not I will give in begining of next year.
 
Who knows what caused BA's heart attack though. He was a skinny guy but we don't really know his eating habits, his family history or any of that. He could've been eating right, exercising and doing all the righ things. We just never know. All we can do is minimize our risks...

And that is some scary stuff. At 19, I think I'm invinceable and none of this stuff applies to me, but now I'm hearing 22 year olds dying from heart attacks. Since I was little, I always associated heart attacks with older people and the extremely obese. Maybe I need to get a check up myself. I haven't been to the doctor in like two years. I'm never sick.
 
This thread losing focus again...

I don't think so. After condolences are posted, the thread would just fade away. But in BA's memory, I think it's a good thing that we learn from his tragedy and perhaps be inspired to look into aspects of our health that might have otherwise been ignored. :)

That being said, back to BA, I think he would have been unbearable with the Moss signing and the Texans floundering on MNF against the Colts. He had a way of pushing all of our collective buttons, and by the same token, we all tended to become one big Texans family circling the wagon in defense of our hapless franchise as a result. Regardless of our differences, a rival fan trolling our board with heated smack talk always seemed to bring us together.

That being said, WE get the last word! :shades: I never understood why BA followed the Oilers/Titans when he lived in 49ers land. He tried to explain it to me, but I just couldn't comprehend going against a hometown team with championship pedigree for a team in another city.
 
I'm 38 and nothing scared the hell out of me more than when I had a physical 2 years ago - my doc informed me I had very high cholesterol (hereditary, nothing I can do about it) and when I get checked again in the spring, if its still that high, I'm going on meds.

I'm not widowing my wife and leaving her with two kids to raise by herself. Screw that.
 
Until I saw the obit it did not hit home. Me and my crew had a close friend die of a heart attack, 1992, when he was 22 years old (recently his brother was sentenced to death). RIP Xavier.

Two years later the paramedics came to my door in Albany, NY and took me to the hospital as I thought I was having a heart attack, my neighbor called them in when they saw me crawling across our shared floor. Two weeks later they showed up again to take me out of my grad school class room when I felt my heart leap out my chest.

I got all the tests done, and found that my travel schedule, caffeine consumption and poor diet were responsible for screwing up my adrenaline. Not to mention I had a tough break-up with my live-in girlfriend a few weeks prior.

I have given up soda, eat fast food two to three times a month, drink water all day, and I get a check up every year. Moreover, I stopped fooling around, stayed monogamous with the girlfriends I had, and got married five years later. Will be married for 13 years in December. In the first few years of marriage I would wake up in the middle of night short of breath, it was scary, but I would just calm myself down and control my breathing and it would subside.

Recently it appears that I have developed some symptoms of asthma, and have to take medication - which I hate, thankfully I am on small doses.

We're getting older, and have a lot to lose with still so much to do, see and achieve.

RIP Kian.

Sounds like panic attacks is part of, if not a major part of, the problem. I am surprised your doctor has not prescribed anti-anxiety meds especially for you to take at night.

Panic attacks make you feel like you are losing your breath, your heart is racing, that you might die, etc. Regardless, it is good to see you made such major life changes after these experiences. We all need to evaluate our lives and our choices.

RIP Blazing Arrow.
 
Whatever happened to Bipolar The Titan?? He was always my favorite Titan fan that would come over here and strut around. He threw some nice clever smack around at times. I'm sure he knew BA a little bit as well.

Anyone see or hear from Bipolar The Titan on any of the Titans boards?
 
Whatever happened to Bipolar The Titan?? He was always my favorite Titan fan that would come over here and strut around. He threw some nice clever smack around at times. I'm sure he knew BA a little bit as well.

Anyone see or hear from Bipolar The Titan on any of the Titans boards?

Yeah Bipolar is still around and was a friend of BA.

I just don't have as much time to spend on boards these days,even my own.

I'm sure Bipolar is the same.
 
Sounds like panic attacks is part of, if not a major part of, the problem. I am surprised your doctor has not prescribed anti-anxiety meds especially for you to take at night.

There are better and permanent ways to address anxiety and panic attacks. I lived the hell of anxiety and panic attacks and was very bad. Anti-anxiety meds are not the way to go IMO. I can write a book on this topic.
 
There are better and permanent ways to address anxiety and panic attacks. I lived the hell of anxiety and panic attacks and was very bad. Anti-anxiety meds are not the way to go IMO. I can write a book on this topic.

I experience "mini-panick attacks" evreytime I fly... I used to fly a lot, too. A couple of years ago when I went to Hawaii, I took a couple of Ambien about an hour before takeoff. I managed the flight pretty well. Once we got to Honolulu, we had to take a puddle jumper over to Maui... I think that flight took three or so years off the back end of my life...

Bottom line, anxiety, depression anything of this nature is just plain not healthy.
 
I experience "mini-panick attacks" evreytime I fly... I used to fly a lot, too. A couple of years ago when I went to Hawaii, I took a couple of Ambien about an hour before takeoff. I managed the flight pretty well. Once we got to Honolulu, we had to take a puddle jumper over to Maui... I think that flight took three or so years off the back end of my life...

Bottom line, anxiety, depression anything of this nature is just plain not healthy.

Best way to fly overseas: xanex. Get your doctor to prescribe you some next time you fly overseas. Makes a huge difference.
 
A "couple" Ambien? You had to be knocked on your ass. Not to mention is has a major amnesia effect to it.
Yes... Exactly I was knocked on my ass!! I don't remember if I had amnesia or not... I just don't remember......:D


Best way to fly overseas: xanex. Get your doctor to prescribe you some next time you fly overseas. Makes a huge difference.
I support xanex... I just can't get xanex.... For some reason my doctor doestn't prescribe xanex.....
 
RIP Blazing Arrow. Really sad to see this. I've been busy most of the week, and just now jumped on for a few minutes and see this. WAY too soon to pass like this. I'll even root for the Titans this week in your honor - just don't expect me to do that all year. That's asking too much! :smiliepalm:
 
Yes... Exactly I was knocked on my ass!! I don't remember if I had amnesia or not... I just don't remember......:D


I support xanex... I just can't get xanex.... For some reason my doctor doestn't prescribe xanex.....

Xanex can be some bad stuff and many doctors refuse to prescribe it for good reason. It artificially suppresses the nervous system. Taking it here and there is OK, however a person really needs to cognitively learn how to control their anxious thoughts without having to rely on chemicals do to the work.

The problem with benzos such as Xanex, Clonopin, etc is if you get into the habit of taking them everyday even for a couple of weeks they can be real tough to come off of. The reason is the nervous system gets real erratic/overstimulated after being artificially suppressed for so long. This causes intense anxiety and even odd physical sensations. The person feels worse than they did when they took the first pill. Once someone starts feeling all of that guess how they immediately remedy it? Yep, popping another one. My mom has been hooked to Xanex for years. A few years ago she had a medical procedure done and they would not let her have her Xanex. She was literally freaking out and not sleeping until she could start taking it again.

Bill, I used to have panic attacks on planes. Normally they would not stop until the plane landed. A few years ago I had one taking off from Madrid heading back to the States. It lasted 9 hours which was hell. That event kicked off a severe anxiety disorder for me that lasted until I finally learned how to overcome it.

So are you afraid to fly? I discovered that I wasn't really afraid to fly (like worrying too much about crashing, etc). My initial anxiety attacks on planes were being fueled by "what if" thoughts like thinking about if I had a serious medical issue that I would be stuck in the air and could not be helped, etc. Then I started having panic attacks because I was thinking or worrying about having a panic attack. Once the thought entered my mind they would start. For years I wouldn't go places because I refused to fly because of all of that.

Once I learned how to deal with anxiety I could fly anxiety free. Now I want to travel places.
 
RIP Blazing Arrow. Really sad to see this. I've been busy most of the week, and just now jumped on for a few minutes and see this. WAY too soon to pass like this. I'll even root for the Titans this week in your honor - just don't expect me to do that all year. That's asking too much! :smiliepalm:

:thumbup
 
Xanex can be some bad stuff and many doctors refuse to prescribe it for good reason. It artificially suppresses the nervous system. Taking it here and there is OK, however a person really needs to cognitively learn how to control their anxious thoughts without having to rely on chemicals do to the work.

The problem with benzos such as Xanex, Clonopin, etc is if you get into the habit of taking them everyday even for a couple of weeks they can be real tough to come off of. The reason is the nervous system gets real erratic/overstimulated after being artificially suppressed for so long. This causes intense anxiety and even odd physical sensations. The person feels worse than they did when they took the first pill. Once someone starts feeling all of that guess how they immediately remedy it? Yep, popping another one. My mom has been hooked to Xanex for years. A few years ago she had a medical procedure done and they would not let her have her Xanex. She was literally freaking out and not sleeping until she could start taking it again.

Bill, I used to have panic attacks on planes. Normally they would not stop until the plane landed. A few years ago I had one taking off from Madrid heading back to the States. It lasted 9 hours which was hell. That event kicked off a severe anxiety disorder for me that lasted until I finally learned how to overcome it.

So are you afraid to fly? I discovered that I wasn't really afraid to fly (like worrying too much about crashing, etc). My initial anxiety attacks on planes were being fueled by "what if" thoughts like thinking about if I had a serious medical issue that I would be stuck in the air and could not be helped, etc. Then I started having panic attacks because I was thinking or worrying about having a panic attack. Once the thought entered my mind they would start. For years I wouldn't go places because I refused to fly because of all of that.

Once I learned how to deal with anxiety I now fly anxiety free and want to travel places now.

That is so true in so many ways...
 
Xanex can be some bad stuff and many doctors refuse to prescribe it for good reason. It artificially suppresses the nervous system. Taking it here and there is OK, however a person really needs to cognitively learn how to control their anxious thoughts without having to rely on chemicals do to the work.

The problem with benzos such as Xanex, Clonopin, etc is if you get into the habit of taking them everyday even for a couple of weeks they can be real tough to come off of. The reason is the nervous system gets real erratic/overstimulated after being artificially suppressed for so long. This causes intense anxiety and even odd physical sensations. The person feels worse than they did when they took the first pill. Once someone starts feeling all of that guess how they immediately remedy it? Yep, popping another one. My mom has been hooked to Xanex for years. A few years ago she had a medical procedure done and they would not let her have her Xanex. She was literally freaking out and not sleeping until she could start taking it again.

Bill, I used to have panic attacks on planes. Normally they would not stop until the plane landed. A few years ago I had one taking off from Madrid heading back to the States. It lasted 9 hours which was hell. That event kicked off a severe anxiety disorder for me that lasted until I finally learned how to overcome it.

So are you afraid to fly? I discovered that I wasn't really afraid to fly (like worrying too much about crashing, etc). My initial anxiety attacks on planes were being fueled by "what if" thoughts like thinking about if I had a serious medical issue that I would be stuck in the air and could not be helped, etc. Then I started having panic attacks because I was thinking or worrying about having a panic attack. Once the thought entered my mind they would start. For years I wouldn't go places because I refused to fly because of all of that.

Once I learned how to deal with anxiety I could fly anxiety free. Now I want to travel places.

Very good advice and good information. Rep your way.

That being said, I disagree with you in one major way: some people require medication. I guess it is just the psychology background in me that gives me that perspective but in my opinion, some people simply can't control their issues whether that be depression, anxiety, obsessive-compulsive tendencies, etc. It is easy to say, "Just get over it and learn to control it," but not everyone is capable of doing that.

As far as benzos are concerned, I agree with you on the dangers involved. I see nothing wrong with the occasional use of medications like xanex for panic attacks and the like, but constant, everyday use has been shown to cause problems. There are milder forms of anti-anxiety meds that are not habit forming and can have many of the same effects.
 
Best way to fly overseas: xanex. Get your doctor to prescribe you some next time you fly overseas. Makes a huge difference.

I always figured alcohol was the way to go...

It is.....after you take a Xanex and chase it with 2 32 oz Ziegenbocks. Then drink Heinekens on the plane until you don't give a rat's ass anymore.

Xanex can be some bad stuff and many doctors refuse to prescribe it for good reason. It artificially suppresses the nervous system. Taking it here and there is OK, however a person really needs to cognitively learn how to control their anxious thoughts without having to rely on chemicals do to the work.

The problem with benzos such as Xanex, Clonopin, etc is if you get into the habit of taking them everyday even for a couple of weeks they can be real tough to come off of. The reason is the nervous system gets real erratic/overstimulated after being artificially suppressed for so long. This causes intense anxiety and even odd physical sensations. The person feels worse than they did when they took the first pill. Once someone starts feeling all of that guess how they immediately remedy it? Yep, popping another one. My mom has been hooked to Xanex for years. A few years ago she had a medical procedure done and they would not let her have her Xanex. She was literally freaking out and not sleeping until she could start taking it again.

Bill, I used to have panic attacks on planes. Normally they would not stop until the plane landed. A few years ago I had one taking off from Madrid heading back to the States. It lasted 9 hours which was hell. That event kicked off a severe anxiety disorder for me that lasted until I finally learned how to overcome it.

So are you afraid to fly? I discovered that I wasn't really afraid to fly (like worrying too much about crashing, etc). My initial anxiety attacks on planes were being fueled by "what if" thoughts like thinking about if I had a serious medical issue that I would be stuck in the air and could not be helped, etc. Then I started having panic attacks because I was thinking or worrying about having a panic attack. Once the thought entered my mind they would start. For years I wouldn't go places because I refused to fly because of all of that.

Once I learned how to deal with anxiety I could fly anxiety free. Now I want to travel places.

I used to travel for a living and never got used to it....coming or going. My problem is that I don't trust the plane itself mechanically. And I know it's totally irrational. Every noise that I hear on the plane sounds like something breaking down to me.

Taking off is tough, turbulence is tough, descending is tougher, and landing is god-awful. At least I can keep myself somewhat composed on a plane. I couldn't even think about getting on a roller coaster.

Hookem, I totally see where you're coming from about people getting hooked on the anti-anxiety meds. I know the medicine gets you hooked, but what if you really need the medicine even before you get strung out on it?

I know people that struggle with this.
 
Very good advice and good information. Rep your way.

That being said, I disagree with you in one major way: some people require medication. I guess it is just the psychology background in me that gives me that perspective but in my opinion, some people simply can't control their issues whether that be depression, anxiety, obsessive-compulsive tendencies, etc. It is easy to say, "Just get over it and learn to control it," but not everyone is capable of doing that.

As far as benzos are concerned, I agree with you on the dangers involved. I see nothing wrong with the occasional use of medications like xanex for panic attacks and the like, but constant, everyday use has been shown to cause problems. There are milder forms of anti-anxiety meds that are not habit forming and can have many of the same effects.

Sorry if I was coming off as saying "Just get over it and learn to control it". Nothing could be further from the truth. I spent almost a year in anxiety therapy and how you overcome this condition is to FULLY understand it, stop fearing it and stopping the worry cycle. Once you accomplish that you have to learn to stop the bad habits that got you there in the first place like chronic worrying, negative thinking, mishandling stress, etc.

The first key is education. Once you understand biologically what your body is doing during a panic attack you stop fueling it. A panic attack can start for several reasons, unhealthy thoughts, worry, stress, or just appear out of nowhere for no apparent reason which is caused by an erratic nervous system typically made that way due the previous things I mentioned. Once you understand what you body is doing you stop fearing it and it goes away. Panic attacks are fueled by fear/stress. The "oh my god" and "what if" thoughts fuel the cycle that keeps a panic attack going. Biologically your body is producing the stress hormones which causes all of the doom and gloom sensations.

I knew I was turning a corner when a panic attack would start and I could remain calm, once I could do that it would pass almost immediately. Instead of the "OMG, here it is again" or "What if I am having a heart attack", etc, etc I would think to myself "There's that nervous system acting up again" and almost laugh it off. After months of being able to do that and also break all of the bad habits that got me that way I started feeling better. This including even going on a diet. I had to stop having anything that stimulates the body, including alcohol which was tough. People that have anxiety attacks often have episodes the day after drinking. There is a biological reason for that.

I am leaving a lot of stuff out for sake of time. However my condition went far beyond panic attacks. I went months were I couldn't leave the house, everything would freak me out (even light), I would start crying for no reason, would go days without sleeping, and I came real close to ending it if you know what I mean. I was that far gone. If I could overcome serious anxiety/depression without meds anyone can. With that I will say that I did use Klonopin here and there mainly to sleep until I started getting a grasp on what I was learning and practicing.

When it comes to this condition though I am very anti-meds. I know they will not cure a person and in most cases only entrench the problem and make it worse. Those meds, especially the long term ones (not benzos) are very dangerous. I have lost 2 friends to suicide that were on those. One of them drove his car into a concrete pillar right after going on Lexapro. There is a time period right after one goes on those things that is real dangerous. When you are in a severe state of anxiety/depression you will do anything to stop it. The thought of just killing yourself is always there. However most people have that something that prevents them from doing that like I did. What those drugs do is take away that "something". They give you a "I don't give a rat's ass" feeling and someone who is thinking about suicide will often just go ahead and do it. Also they tend to make anxiety/depression symptoms worse when you first start them. That coupled with the "I don't care" feeling is a dangerous combination.

Am I saying that most people that get on those long term meds are likely to kill themselves? No, if that were the case 1/4 or even more of the people you know would not be around. Anti-anxiety meds are being prescribed at alarming rates. Actually they are the most prescribed drugs in the world. I was shocked at how many of my close friends admitted to me that they were on something when I was having my ordeal.

Another thing I learned through my ordeal was that most psychologists, psychiatrists, and doctors are really clueless when it comes to treating anxiety. They are just taught to just throw the pills at you. I visited several until I finally got someone who fully understood what was going on with me. Unless one has been through this I don't see how they could really help someone else. My therapist had a severe anxiety disorder for 15 years and the fact he had been there and could tell me his experiences helped me tremendously.

BTW, if anyone has any of the above issues you can visit his website at www.anxietycentre.com. There is a ton of good and ACCURATE information on that site. Those guys literally saved my life and I am forever indebted to them.
 
Some great stuff being discussed.

I am a sufferer of anxiety, but never panic attacks. I had it build up in me when my uncle passed in 2003, and when I went through a career crisis, it came to a head and I broke down. By the time my kids arrived, I was really emotionally living a roller coaster and an unhealthy one at that. Worse, I couldn't sleep.

I sought assistance, and for the first time allowed myself to consider medication. I am on a very mild dose of clonozopan and it has worked out well for me the last 18 months. Its essentially the mildest form of valium (IIRC).

I'm also a terrible flyer and take one ambien, which does the trick. Got me throw a direct flight from Toronto to Tokyo so I can handle any flight, but my problem is that now with kids, I can't sleep, which was my solution before. Now I take a clonozopan and its enough to get me through. I used to love flying, until I had a flight 15 years ago from Dallas to Amarillo - we slammed into the jetstream and the jet dipped enough that the oxygen masks came down. I have never been the same since.
 
There are better and permanent ways to address anxiety and panic attacks. I lived the hell of anxiety and panic attacks and was very bad. Anti-anxiety meds are not the way to go IMO. I can write a book on this topic.



Hookem,

Most here would be wise to give thought to your posts. Behavioral adjustment (self or with the help of a therapist or psychiatrist) is the only safe and effective approach to especially flight phobia.

Benzodiazepines (such as XANAX, ATIVAN, and VALIUM) are very controversial in general. When each first came out, they were touted as entirely non-addictive. Today, we know that they are at the top of the list of addictive medications......especially XANAX. Once dependency is established, getting off these meds is more difficult than getting off heroin. Many psychiatrists will not prescribe them. They are prescribed frequently by physicians who are not familiar with the research that shows they do not work for flying, but actually CAUSE panic when flying.

No “single event dose” anti-anxiety medication is effective for flight anxiety.

When the medication fails to provide relief, a person in a state of panic may be tempted to take more medication and/or to combine medication with alcohol. WHEN THESE MEDS FAIL, YOU DON’T TAKE MORE. YOU DON’T COMBINE THESE MEDS WITH ALCOHOL. DOING SO DURING FLIGHT WHERE THE AIR IS THIN CAN BE FATAL.

The majority of psychiatrists never prescribe them or prescribe them only with great caution with carefully screened clients.

Doctors who are not psychiatrists often do not understand the risks (or, just give patients what they want in spite of the risk).

Fatal Interaction With Alcohol. When in the throws of high anxiety, when one has already taken Xanax and finds it is not working, it is common for the person to take another dose and then have a few drinks. This can be fatal. Alcohol and Xanax (or Ativan or Valium), especially when combined causes a disturbance in the regulation of breathing..........a severe slowing. You may want to be knocked out, but you don’t want to stop breathing when knocked out..........something that kills thousands of people every year?

Once you know the risks - and lack of effectiveness for flying - of Xanax and Ativan, whether to use them or not is a no-brainer.

These medications are not a responsible way to deal with anxiety on a daily basis and make flight anxiety worse.

If you need medications on a daily basis for anxiety, and you are being prescribed Xanax or Ativan, you need to find a responsible psychiatrist who will switch you to a non-addictive alternative.

If you think you need Xanax or Ativan for flying, think again. At safe levels, they provide no relief at all, and increase panic attacks ten-fold.

[A word about meds for long-term day-to-day anxiety (non flying anxiety). If a doctor prescribes Xanax or Ativan for routine use, find another doctor. That is simply not responsible, and there is no question about it. Why? Because there are anti-anxiety medications which are effective and which are not addictive such as Buspar, and anti-depressants which help with day-to-day anxiety such as Lexapro, Zoloft, and other SSRIs.]

Though Xanax or Ativan can relax you effectively for day-to-day anxiety on the ground (still for only 1 out of 3 patients), it is HOW the relaxation is achieved that is the problem when it comes to flying.

The relaxation is gained by shutting down the part of the brain that gets involved with conflict. In a normal state of mind, imagination conflicts with reality. And when you recognize that conflict, you know what is real and what is imaginary.

But when that part of the brain is shut down, the person is no longer as able to distinguish the conflict between reality and imagination, and thus no longer able to tell what is imagined from what is real.

Thus, when flying, what is imagined (feared) is not recognized as imagination. When the person starts to believe something that is imagined (feared) is really happening, it causes panic and terror.

This is why the research shows that though you get the edge taken off prior to the flight, you pay for it big time. The research shows TEN TIMES as many panic attacks happen when meds are taken versus placebo. Acute and Delayed Effects of Alprazolam [XANAX] on Flight Phobics During Exposure

There is a self-help program that I have suggested to my patients who have spoken to me about this phobia. It’s called the The SOAR Fear of Flying Program http://www.airsafe.com/issues/fear/soar.htm and it has been used successfully by them.

It’s been shown that for those who believed they HAD to have Xanax to fly, found that when they completed the SOAR program which set up automatic control of the feelings, they did not have high anxiety and did not panic. Some continued taking Xanax for a while, believing it helped. But when they finally did try flying without Xanax they discovered - to their amazement - they had LESS anxiety. Though they did not realize it, Xanax had caused them trouble when flying before the SOAR program and it had caused them trouble when flying after the SOAR program. It was only after encouraging them to try flying without Xanax that they discovered Xanax was part of their problem; they had believed it was helping. It wasn't. It was making things worse.

The responsibility question is a red herring. This argument is typically employed by people who have addictive tendencies. They ARE the people who have no business taking Xanax. They feel they are not capable of dealing with feelings without help, and have little tolerance for anything other than instant gratification or instant relief. Not only do they see no problem with instant relief, they often believe they have a right to it. If anyone ever gets between a borderline and their medication, they are in for big trouble. They assert that if they doctor gave it to them, then - "because the doctor knows what he is doing"- it is fine for them to take it. In other words, people with addictive personalities ARE the ones to make this argument. People who do not have addictive personalities rarely even ask for Xanax.

No physician can determine who will and will not engage in risky behavior in a time of stress unless the doctor is trained to do psychotherapy and has had years of experience as a psychotherapist and have treated the client in question as a psychotherapist for dozens - if not hundreds - of therapy sessions.

But as to effectiveness. There are some people that just BELIEVE in Xanax. The research is clear, though. It shows that people taking Xanax for fear of flying have ten times as many panic attacks when flying as people taking a placebo. Yet - and this is the point - those people who took the Xanax BELIEVED Xanax was helping them EVEN WHEN IT WAS MAKING THEM WORSE AND, IN FACT, CAUSING PANIC ATTACKS.
 
Good and interesting stuff CND. Maybe somehow us honoring BA with this thread will somehow help others having anxiety for any given reason, maybe even anxiety about dying young or having a heart attack. It's not uncommon for people that are chronic worriers especially about health hear about something like this and start worrying about having a heart attack themselves and even developing symptoms.

Also the advice given by DB about living a healthier lifestyle and getting regular check ups can really help others.
 
We will just have to agree to disagree CND. No amount of studies will convince me Xanex doesn't help for flying as I along with others I know have tried flying overseas without it, and it is miserable. For me, as well as the other people I know that use it, do not do so to alleviate anxiety; in fact, I enjoy flying but only short distances. Xanex helps the flight seem shorter, helps me sleep better, and keeps me from getting sick on those long overseas flights that are otherwise miserable.

Also, this is at low dosages. Typically no more than one 2 mg tablet.
 
I want to address some more issues here

1) Big Toro: Get to a doctor. Stubborness is not an option. What may have happened is the virus didn't damage the heart but it may be out of rhythm, making the heart work harder and making it easier for other viruses and issues to get to you. Just walk in and make yourself better physically and mentally by getting an EKG and Echo test.

2) Flying. This is one of the easiet things to get over. Trust me. More flying (think more cowbell) is the answer. I flew maybe 5 times total in my first 35 years of life. I had my 5th flight do an aborted landing and it scared me to death. I was petrified and the times I did fly were horrible. I went through 5 years where I drove everywhere. When I met my wife, who works for an airline, she wanted to travel non-stop. The first few times was embarrassing. I literally almost was crying on her shoulder....she saus I cried. I read a book, "The Fearless Slyers Handbook" which Quantas puts out and just kept going. It really hits home. Turbulence is like bad roads..bumps inthe sky..it isn't bringing you down. Planes are incredibly advanced now. 610 and I-10 will kill you before a flight. Now I've flown probably 60-70 more trips and I fear nothing. It's fun. Plus it allowed me to go to Italy, Hawaii, Paris and all over the place. I don't take anything or even drink...dehydrates you alot. Believe me, you have to start living through this.
 
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