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Kubiak: Tate has had an 'up and down' camp

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Coach Gary Kubiak described rookie Ben Tate's training camp performance thus far as "up and down."
"He’s every bit the talent that we drafted," Kubiak said. "He’s learning to be a pro. He has to catch up because he missed a lot time because he missed OTAs. He needs to know to get his motor going when he leaves out of the locker room and not 30 minutes into practice ... He could help this team if he continues to grow up." We still like Tate in Dynasty leagues, but it would be an upset if he works his way into a major role by the season opener.



http://www.rotoworld.com/content/headlines.aspx?sport=NFL



Not the greatest of description of Tate for now, but it's still very early in camp. Can't wait to see how he runs in his first game.
 
Texecutioner said:
Coach Gary Kubiak described rookie Ben Tate's training camp performance thus far as "up and down."
"He’s every bit the talent that we drafted," Kubiak said. "He’s learning to be a pro. He has to catch up because he missed a lot time because he missed OTAs. He needs to know to get his motor going when he leaves out of the locker room and not 30 minutes into practice ... He could help this team if he continues to grow up." We still like Tate in Dynasty leagues, but it would be an upset if he works his way into a major role by the season opener.



http://www.rotoworld.com/content/headlines.aspx?sport=NFL



Not the greatest of description of Tate for now, but it's still very early in camp. Can't wait to see how he runs in his first game.
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What are Dynasty leagues?
 
Sounds like Kubiak is preparing us for him not playing a major role..

Then at the end of the season he'll be one of those kids he should have played more
 
I'm not worried about it yet. Young running backs seem to often have some growing up to do and since we have people in front of him who are capable AND he's probably going to have to learn to pass protect better before he even gets a chance to get in there this isn't an issue.
 
Dynasty leagues are also called keeper leagues. You can keep up to three players at the end of the season, and each player you keep costs you a draft spot three notches up from where you originally got him. That means if you pick up Tate in round 12 this year, you can keep him for next year and only lose a 9th round pick.
 
Now entering data in to the Kubiak 3000-Kubiak Translator:

"He’s learning to be a pro. He has to catch up because he missed a lot time because he missed OTAs. He needs to know to get his motor going when he leaves out of the locker room and not 30 minutes into practice ... He could help this team if he continues to grow up."

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Kubiak 3000: Tate will be cut before the regular season......


Just kidding, but this is pretty worrisome in Kubiak Speak if you ask me.
 
Rey said:
Sounds like Kubiak is preparing us for him not playing a major role..

Then at the end of the season he'll be one of those kids he should have played more
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If we had a Ron Dayne, or a Chris Brown on the Field stinking things up (and I'm a Ron Dayne fan) I would be worried. If Slaton and/or Foster are producing... I don't think it's a big deal.

If Tate isn't turning it on till 30 minutes into practice, then this is the kind of thing the coach should be saying. Especially when he's been praising Foster's approach all summer long.
 
Brisco_County said:
Dynasty leagues are also called keeper leagues. You can keep up to three players at the end of the season, and each player you keep costs you a draft spot three notches up from where you originally got him. That means if you pick up Tate in round 12 this year, you can keep him for next year and only lose a 9th round pick.
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Actually Dynasty Leagues are different than Keeper Leagues. Well slightly. Dynasty usually means that once you have the initial draft, you are basically stuck with those same players for years to come. You can only add players via freeagent pickups or rookies. Basically its the closest thing to being your own GM.
 
Cjeremy635 said:
What are Dynasty leagues?
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Brisco_County said:
Dynasty leagues are also called keeper leagues. You can keep up to three players at the end of the season, and each player you keep costs you a draft spot three notches up from where you originally got him. That means if you pick up Tate in round 12 this year, you can keep him for next year and only lose a 9th round pick.
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Dynasty leagues are league where you keep most if not your entire roster from year to year. The goal is to be more like a 'real" team in make decisions for multiple years versus short term. Dyansty leagues generally hold drafts somewhere around the NFL draft with primary emphasis on the rookies.

Keeper leagues are a different animal, in that you only keep a set number of players and throw the rest back and hold a draft during the normal august drafting season.
 
thunderkyss said:
If we had a Ron Dayne, or a Chris Brown on the Field stinking things up (and I'm a Ron Dayne fan) I would be worried. If Slaton and/or Foster are producing... I don't think it's a big deal.

If Tate isn't turning it on till 30 minutes into practice, then this is the kind of thing the coach should be saying. Especially when he's been praising Foster's approach all summer long.
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I was just having fun...

I don't think that his comments mean much at all, other than Tate is a young RB that needs to learn how to be consistent.

I really didn't take much from the quote that Kubes made besides the fact that Tate isn't tearing it up and will probably remain 3rd on the depth chart for the foreseeable future. Nothing that I didn't already know.
 
I stand corrected. Dynasty leagues sound interesting, but they also sound like they could take all the fun out of it. Plus, all it would take is one manager to go half-ass or quit to really sour the season. I would do an auction draft if I joined one.

Back on topic: I'm not too worried about Kubiak's criticism. He is exactly where a rookie RB should be at this point, and we're not in the same situation with RB's that we were last year.
 
Brisco_County said:
I stand corrected. Dynasty leagues sound interesting, but they also sound like they could take all the fun out of it. Plus, all it would take is one manager to go half-ass or quit to really sour the season. I would do an auction draft if I joined one.
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Most of them are year round in nature and for hardcore guys who follow the draft and off-season stuff looking for surprise guys. And yes one or two owners who don't pay attention can really hurt a league. I play in more than I am going to admit and commish a couple.

Guess we need to get back to Tate though.
 
Tate is my one problem with the Texans Draft, atleast the basic philosophy of the Draft which included using a 2nd round pick on a running back (and perhaps even a first round pick if Matthews had been on the Board).
I wanted the Texans to use that #2 on an interior lineman which still has issues icluding the lack of really upper level talent even with the FA acquisition of FA C/G Smith.
Regarding Tate in particular, he seems to be a redundant back with Foster as the entrenched starter ? That's a lot to spend for reserve a running back ?
 
THE NFL said:
So it appears the Texans used another high draft pick on yet another project player.
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Really? You base that on what? A couple of early training camp comments? Not even a third of the way thru camp. Really?
 
Yes JB. I based it exactly on that. The reports from camp are that he isnt getting it. His visions wasnt good in college and it isnt good in his 1st NFL camp.
 
First time I have heard anything negative about his vision. And Kubiak did not say anything about his vision, or lack of it.
 
THE NFL said:
Yes JB. I based it exactly on that. The reports from camp are that he isnt getting it. His visions wasnt good in college and it isnt good in his 1st NFL camp.
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The dude gained 1400 yards last year in the SEC . He ran a 4.39 at 220 lbs at the combine . If the Texans didn't draft him in the 2nd , someone would have .

The fact that he doesn't have to start from day one is a good thing if you ask me . Viva Foster , Viva Slaton .
 
THE NFL said:
Yes JB. I based it exactly on that. The reports from camp are that he isnt getting it. His visions wasnt good in college and it isnt good in his 1st NFL camp.
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Where are these reports about his poor vision? IS there a way that you can find them or link them here?

I've never heard Kubiak bash his vision either.
 
THE NFL said:
Yes JB. I based it exactly on that. The reports from camp are that he isnt getting it. His visions wasnt good in college and it isnt good in his 1st NFL camp.
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Source?

Someone would've taken Tate 2nd round. He was a necessary hedge for our bet on Slaton and Foster, and still is.
 
Rey said:
Sounds like Kubiak is preparing us for him not playing a major role..

Then at the end of the season he'll be one of those kids he should have played more
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I've been prepared. I don't see Tate touching the ball much more than 5 touches a game.
 
If you don't like "negativity" or "realism"(depends on how you view things), you're not gonna like THE NFL as a poster. Check the other board as an example. You'll see. Not saying it's good or bad or anything like that, just sayin'.
 
JB.. everything is someones opinion.

So Tate doesnt see the holes. He is a 1 cut 1st contact and down runner.

But he is good for a team that uses ZBS.

He is perfect. Greatest RB in NFL history.

Read all the scouting reports and tell me he isnt a project or a limited use back.
 
THE NFL said:
So it appears the Texans used another high draft pick on yet another project player.
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So the MB has perspective, The NFL is a Titans fan who claims to be a Texans fan as well except for the fact that at HT.com he has never said anything positive about the Texans and instead has spent his entire time poking sticks at the Texans. Negativity is fine - Second Honeymoon is often negative but at least I believe he is a Texans fan. My opinion is The NFL is a tacks fan just trying to stir crap up.
 
THE NFL said:
JB.. everything is someones opinion.

So Tate doesnt see the holes. He is a 1 cut 1st contact and down runner.

But he is good for a team that uses ZBS.

He is perfect. Greatest RB in NFL history.

Read all the scouting reports and tell me he isnt a project or a limited use back.
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Dude, you are all over the place here. If you want to be negative that's fine.

But if you are going to throw statements out there like we wasted another early round pick on a project, you need to back it up. Nobody is saying Tate is the next Earl or anything, but it is too early to call him a project also.
 
Kubiak is a stickler for his RBs knowing what to do when they don't have the ball. RBs have to know where to be, and who to pick up in blitzing schemes.

I wouldn't be suprised at all if Tate, or any other rookie RB doesn't have that down yet. It will probably take him the whole season to learn it, especially since he's behind from missing the OTAs.

I don't look for him to do anything until next year.
 
infantrycak said:
So the MB has perspective, The NFL is a Titans fan who claims to be a Texans fan as well except for the fact that at HT.com he has never said anything positive about the Texans and instead has spent his entire time poking sticks at the Texans. Negativity is fine - Second Honeymoon is often negative but at least I believe he is a Texans fan. My opinion is The NFL is a tacks fan just trying to stir crap up.
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I don't know if he's completely a Titan fan just here to ruffle people's feathers just off of what he said in those 6 posts. He might just not be high on Tate as an NFL RB. I think that calling him just another project player though was a little over the top. RB is the one position that plenty of college players can come in and do damage at right away, so to call him a project player the way he did was definitely premature.
 
Texecutioner said:
I don't know if he's completely a Titan fan just here to ruffle people's feathers just off of what he said in those 6 posts. He might just not be high on Tate as an NFL RB. I think that calling him just another project player though was a little over the top. RB is the one position that plenty of college players can come in and do damage at right away, so to call him a project player the way he did was definitely premature.
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I am basing my opinion off of many more posts over at HT.com.
 
Texecutioner said:
Rotoworld is a Fantasy Football website, but they get their information extremely fast and up to date. I looked and it said that this came from HoustonTexans.com though and that was "their source."
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Rotoworld gets all their information from team websites and city newspapers. At least that's how it was when I worked for them. They are probably much quicker now since I was the only one updating football info when I was working there.
 
THE NFL said:
Thank you 09. I was invited over here and here I is! Just keeping it real.

:chef:
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Can someone please ban the guy that invited this "person" here?



J/K

Does anyone know how many starts Shonn Greene got last year?

0

How many carries per game?

9

Does anyone believe he is a project player?

How many people think Toby Gerhart will start by Game 1?

Game 9?

At all (barring injury)?


hmmmm...


Just don't let Kubiak do anything this stupid I guess.
 
Infantry... thats your opinon and you are wrong. I have made my position clear on the Titans and the Texans and never hid the fact. I say positive things about the Texans and negative things about the Titans. You and some others choose to ignore it. I am over the top sometimes. I admit that too. But my points are valid regardless of the packaging.

You are a MOD here and you chose to call me out to inflame the situation?

Now it will be full blown flaming. Nice job " lead moderator "

I need to look up the definition of " Moderator " and see what that means.
 
JB said:
Are you saying he's a troll?
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I won't call him a troll. He seems to have some football knowledge and behaves himself but I think he disingenuously claims to have some interest in the Texans when his real purpose is just to get Texans fans riled up. Folks interact with him as you will so long as he obeys the MB rules and he has at HT.com. I'm not slamming the guy but people will have to decide how they want to respond (hopefully themselves obeying the rules) or put him on ignore as many have done over there.

THE NFL said:
Infantry... thats your opinon and you are wrong. I have made my position clear on the Titans and the Texans and never hid the fact. I say positive things about the Texans and negative things about the Titans. You and some others choose to ignore it. I am over the top sometimes. I admit that too. But my points are valid regardless of the packaging.

You are a MOD here and you chose to call me out to inflame the situation?

Now it will be full blown flaming. Nice job " lead moderator "

I need to look up the definition of " Moderator " and see what that means.
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I'm not calling you out. Look what I wrote above. You obey the rules and have football knowledge. My original post was frankly to provide perspective so people didn't flame you more. But like I have my opinion you will have yours.
 
thunderkyss said:
Can someone please ban the guy that invited this "person" here?



J/K

Does anyone know how many starts Shonn Greene got last year?

0

How many carries per game?

9

Does anyone believe he is a project player?

How many people think Toby Gerhart will start by Game 1?

Game 9?

At all (barring injury)?


hmmmm...


Just don't let Kubiak do anything this stupid I guess.
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I wouldn't call those comparable examples to Tate at all right now though.

Greene went to a team that had Jones and Washington on there already who were both proven players and Jones had just come off of his best season of his career. There was no way that he was going to supplant that job from Jones.

Gerhart's on a team with Adrian Peterson. Of course he isn't even dreaming of possibly being able to start.


Tate's on a team where he'd have a very strong chance if he tore it up considering the fact that Slaton is questionable coming off of injury and a down year after his impressive rookie year and Foster hasn't proven anything other than the fact that he had two good games last year and Kubiak likes him right now.

Tate's in a much different situation where he'd have a chance to grab the starting position as oppose to those other two.
 
THE NFL said:
Infantry... thats your opinon and you are wrong. I have made my position clear on the Titans and the Texans and never hid the fact. I say positive things about the Texans and negative things about the Titans. You and some others choose to ignore it. I am over the top sometimes. I admit that too. But my points are valid regardless of the packaging.

You are a MOD here and you chose to call me out to inflame the situation?

Now it will be full blown flaming. Nice job " lead moderator "

I need to look up the definition of " Moderator " and see what that means.
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So you are a Texans fan? And since you don't seem to feel that Tate is that good of a prospect, then how do you feel about Foster? Most of the reports have been very positive and he at least has shown strong signs of being a strong RB in two games last season in limited opportunities. Between Foster, Tate, and Slaton wouldn't you agree though that the Texans running game should be pretty good this year or at least be drastically improved?
 
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