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Cushing press conference @ 1pm Central

The Pencil Neck said:
You're going to watch the games and buy the merchandise regardless of what Cushing says. You may not buy a Cushing jersey but there are lots of other player's jerseys that you will buy.
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If I come to the conclusion that we have a team full of cheaters and that the organization is willing to look the other way, then I wouldn't buy merchandise or attend the games.
 
The Pencil Neck said:
Yep.

His position is:

He doesn't know how the hell the hCG got into his system. He played the season thinking he had a tumor or something causing it. He's going to (or has been) working with doctors to try to find out what happened.
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:mcnugget:

My wife and I don't know how these kids keep getting in our house. We've been thinking its a tumor or something causing it. But rest assured we're working with doctors to try to find out where they're coming from.
 
The Pencil Neck said:
Yep.

His position is:

He doesn't know how the hell the hCG got into his system. He played the season thinking he had a tumor or something causing it. He's going to (or has been) working with doctors to try to find out what happened.
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I smell weak b.s. Sorry, JMO. He is pointing to something that can't be proven thus it just sits out there. It's not a rogue supplement that can be tested or an accident. It's just thin air. I can't buy it until he presents something substantial.
 
The Pencil Neck said:
Yep.

His position is:

He doesn't know how the hell the hCG got into his system. He played the season thinking he had a tumor or something causing it. He's going to (or has been) working with doctors to try to find out what happened.
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Interesting. I wonder what substance was in the supplement he was warned about earlier was.

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Maybe he took a tainted B12 shot (or has that one been used?)
 
infantrycak said:
He said he was working with doctors to figure out how he got the elevated level. Where do you think he got the possibility it might be a tumor?
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He paraphrased one of the doctors saying that there are two ways to get the hCG into your system, either "injected or because of a tumor"... I think the word "tumor" was shocking... but, I think his point is that he's worried about why his body is producing so much hCG, both because of his health and his concern that he could test positive for it again.
 
I believe that Cushing responded that one of his main concerns is his health and something like “Why this substance repeatedly comes up.” Did I not hear this correctly?
 
dalemurphy said:
He paraphrased one of the doctors saying that there are two ways to get the hCG into your system, either "injected or because of a tumor"... I think the word "tumor" was shocking... but, I think his point is that he's worried about why his body is producing so much hCG, both because of his health and his concern that he could test positive for it again.
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I wonder if all of the negative tests after the positive one could occur if it was caused by a tumor.
 
Some of the folks around here remind me of a certain phrase....


"With fans like these, who needs enemies?"


I'm not saying, I'm just saying.
 
The Pencil Neck said:
I was under the understanding that he has been seeing doctors and that was part of the "science" that he gave to the league.
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Poor journalism. They should've asked, "what scientific data did you give to the league?"... but, yeah, it did sound like he's been working with doctors since the positive test came back to him in October.
 
HoustonFrog said:
I smell weak b.s. Sorry, JMO. He is pointing to something that can't be proven thus it just sits out there.
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I'm sorry, were you referring to all the folks who are assuming steroids?

dalemurphy said:
He paraphrased one of the doctors saying that there are two ways to get the hCG into your system, either "injected or because of a tumor"... I think the word "tumor" was shocking... but, I think his point is that he's worried about why his body is producing so much hCG, both because of his health and his concern that he could test positive for it again.
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That's what I heard several times.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
I believe that Cushing responded that one of his main concerns is his health and something like “Why this substance repeatedly comes up.” Did I not hear this correctly?
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I wasn't iistening. I thought he only had one positive test though.
 
The Pencil Neck said:
As fans, we're going to go to the games and buy the merchandise anyway. You may not buy a Cushing jersey, but you'll buy someone else's. And to the league, that's all that really matters.

And... publicity is publicity. Getting a lot of people talking negatively about you will actually get you more air time and more interviews and more people buying your jersey than no publicity at all. I mean, look at all the great things that guys like Okoye do. How much publicity have all his charitable acts given him? How many interviews? How many extra jerseys? Just by getting his name out there and mentioned a lot, people are going to be aware of him and pulling for him (or pulling against him).

If the press starts going after this guy, they could easily turn public opinion to his side.
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This is about Cushing first and foremost. Not the league making money. You're right about getting air time and such when people are talking negatively about you. But that's not what Cushing wants. The local Chevy dealership isn't going to call him because of all the negative talk and ask him to do a commercial. They're going to call him to do a commercial and promote their product when the fanbase respects him and what he stands for.

He's an extremely hard worker and would rather be known for the badass player he is because of his hardwork and dedication. He doesn't want to be known as a cheater, especially if he hasn't cheated. He wants kids to look up at the way he's achieved everything and mimic that hard work... not cheat.
 
Runner said:
I wonder if all of the negative tests after the positive one could occur if it was caused by a tumor.
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The better question is whether the other tests also showed his hCG to be elevated (but still below the outlawed level)... or, if he tested right now, would it still be elevated. Everything produced by the body will fluctuate depending on a myriad of factors. I'm more interested in what his median level is at relative to the normal range.
 
It's nooot a toooomah!

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Actually, I'd rather an easily treatable tumor than steroids.... but I couldn't help throwing Ahnold in there.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
I believe that Cushing responded that one of his main concerns is his health and something like “Why this substance repeatedly comes up.” Did I not hear this correctly?
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If he did say that, then I would be a little less inclined to not believe him. I may have missed him saying that part.

Look, don't get me wrong, I bleed for this team just like the rest of us do, I just really dislike having any kind of "*" next to our players.

No, we do NOT have to be the "golden children do no wrong", but we don't have to cheat, either.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
I believe that Cushing responded that one of his main concerns is his health and something like “Why this substance repeatedly comes up.” Did I not hear this correctly?
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I didn't hear that but do you know how the reporting on this stuff works the way they test for it?

Is it one of these normal is 0 - (just picking a random number) .01 deals and the NFL's limit is .012? Then conceivably he could have had tests of .009 where he saw he was upper end of norm and approaching the NFL standard without ever previously having gone over.
 
infantrycak said:
I'm sorry, were you referring to all the folks who are assuming steroids?



That's what I heard several times.
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No, but it is something that can't be tested or proven unless a doctor comes out and says, he has a tumor. I'm sorry that I don't buy it. Sports has become an industry where we are fed b.s. daily because it keeps guys getting paid...McGuire, Sosa and others were all good guys who seemed likeable but failed to hold up their end of the bargain. They denied it for years. If Reggie Bush had been drafted instead of Mario and was being drilled about his money deal at USC would people here have then said they would trust Reggie when he said "I did nothing?" I just don't buy un-quantafiables. The test was quantafiable. Sorry that I'm not bound and determined to lessen it or make an excuse for it.
 
Runner said:
I wasn't iistening. I thought he only had one positive test though.
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It is possible that he could may have had unusually high levels of HcG in other tests that were not over whatever the NFL may determine to be "illegal". The test is not a positive/negative test, it is a measure of the amount of HcG in a person's system. Think of it like a blood alcohol test.
 
infantrycak said:
I didn't hear that but do you know how the reporting on this stuff works the way they test for it?

Is it one of these normal is 0 - (just picking a random number) .01 deals and the NFL's limit is .012? Then conceivably he could have had tests of .009 where he saw he was upper end of norm and approaching the NFL standard without ever previously having gone over.
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Maybe there were other, more sensitive tests too.
 
gtexan02 said:
Thats a strange thing to say.

You'd rather one of players have a tumor than be on steroids?
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Well, there is no right answer.

That's why I qualified tumor with "easily treatable."

I'd rather none of the above, thank you very much. No tumor or steroids because, ultimately, both would be bad for Cushing and regardless of what happens to him as a Texan, I suppose his health matters more.

It's a crappy situation no matter what and I was trying to inject a slight bit of levity.

Oh, and I'm rather sleep deprived at the moment, so there's that, too.
 
HoustonFrog said:
I smell weak b.s. Sorry, JMO. He is pointing to something that can't be proven thus it just sits out there. It's not a rogue supplement that can be tested or an accident. It's just thin air. I can't buy it until he presents something substantial.
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The thing is, the human body makes hCG. Everyone has it in their body. It's not like it only gets there if he injected it.

His level was elevated. From everything we've heard, it was elevated "slightly". That could possibly be from some medical condition. If that's the case, then he does need to find out how it happened and get that cleared up if possible. If he comes back with an actual medical condition that is treatable, then maybe he could get the suspension lifted.

IF he's telling the truth and he didn't inject it and he didn't ingest it, then there's not much else to say except that he's trying to figure out how/why the test came back positive and he's trying to figure out how to keep it from happening again.

IF he's NOT telling the truth, then he should know how to keep it from happening again.
 
blogkimmy said:
If he did say that, then I would be a little less inclined to not believe him. I may have missed him saying that part.

Look, don't get me wrong, I bleed for this team just like the rest of us do, I just really dislike having any kind of "*" next to our players.

No, we do NOT have to be the "golden children do no wrong", but we don't have to cheat, either.
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I agree with your sentiment. I am inclined to believe him. He was very unreserved and didn't seem coached when he answered the questions. He was adamant. He answered every question. He even took a freakin' polygraph test. Seems to me that he is telling the truth.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
When do they post the video for review? It's not available now.
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However long it takes them to attach an extremely annoying advertisement onto the front of it. In the past, that task has taken half a day or so. It will probably be up later today or tomorrow morning.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
I believe that Cushing responded that one of his main concerns is his health and something like “Why this substance repeatedly comes up.” Did I not hear this correctly?
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Yeah, I heard that, too.

I thought that was actually a slip of the tongue on his part. In the context, I think he was trying to say something along the lines that since they don't know why it happened, it could happen again and be totally out of his control.
 
HoustonFrog said:
The test was quantafiable. Soory that I'm not bound and determined to lessen it or make an excuse for it.
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You completely missed the point. Yes the test is quantifiable and he failed the NFL standard for hcg, not steroids and is now going to pay the price no matter how that came about. That's the facts and isn't lessening or making an excuse for it in any fashion.

What certainly is not quantifiable is your then assuming it proves he took steroids which it does not. Then you compound the error of having made one assumption and turn around demanding proof of a tumor when there's no proof of steroids.
 
The Pencil Neck said:
The thing is, the human body makes hCG. Everyone has it in their body. It's not like it only gets there if he injected it.

His level was elevated. From everything we've heard, it was elevated "slightly". That could possibly be from some medical condition. If that's the case, then he does need to find out how it happened and get that cleared up if possible. If he comes back with an actual medical condition that is treatable, then maybe he could get the suspension lifted.

IF he's telling the truth and he didn't inject it and he didn't ingest it, then there's not much else to say except that he's trying to figure out how/why the test came back positive and he's trying to figure out how to keep it from happening again.

IF he's NOT telling the truth, then he should know how to keep it from happening again.
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Agree with you completely. If he is tested and they find a medical reason then I'm cool and glad they found the cause. My present reasoning goes something like this though until they do:

A-Cushing has trail of steroid whispers since high school
B-Cushing plays a year in the NFL and tests for a substance
C-Said Substance isn't dope, cocaine, uppers, ephedra but a substance known to help people post steroid cycle.
D-A and C makes for a logical case

Take this with what other team officials say, etc and until I see proof otherwise, it is the logical conclusion.

infantrycak said:
You completely missed the point. Yes the test is quantifiable and he failed the NFL standard for hcg, not steroids and is now going to pay the price no matter how that came about. That's the facts and isn't lessening or making an excuse for it in any fashion.

What certainly is not quantifiable is your then assuming it proves he took steroids which it does not. Then you compound the error of having made one assumption and turn around demanding proof of a tumor when there's no proof of steroids.
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I'm not assuming anything. I'm just taking the above path. I mean if I get nailed for DWI it might sound real cool for me to opine that my body is keeping abnormal amounts of alcohol in my system despite my best efforts but the better conclusion is that I like to drink. :)
 
Tumors ? So did he walk across the street from Reliant to the best Cancer
facility in the world (MD Anderson), to get himself checked out ?
 
infantrycak said:
You completely missed the point. Yes the test is quantifiable and he failed the NFL standard for hcg, not steroids and is now going to pay the price no matter how that came about. That's the facts and isn't lessening or making an excuse for it in any fashion.

What certainly is not quantifiable is your then assuming it proves he took steroids which it does not. Then you compound the error of having made one assumption and turn around demanding proof of a tumor when there's no proof of steroids.
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HoustonFrog is a Cowboy fan, right? So, his only hope as a fan is to tear down the morality of everyone in the NFL so that he doesn't feel so dirty rooting for that appalling team of his.
 
infantrycak said:
I didn't hear that but do you know how the reporting on this stuff works the way they test for it?

Is it one of these normal is 0 - (just picking a random number) .01 deals and the NFL's limit is .012? Then conceivably he could have had tests of .009 where he saw he was upper end of norm and approaching the NFL standard without ever previously having gone over.
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It is a quantitative test not just a qualitative test. In other words, it measure levels, not like the over the counter pregnancy tests that are negative because they don't change color or positive (for presence at a certain level or beyond) because they turn a certain color. But the levels that the NFL uses in their testing in general to determine a positive test have a healthy buffer above what would normally be expected.
 
drewmar74 said:
What kind of tumor would cause the hgc to be elevated? Rather, where in the body?
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HCG (also known as beta-HCG) blood levels are elevated in patients with some types of testicular and ovarian cancers (germ cell tumors) and in gestational trophoblastic disease, mainly choriocarcinoma. They are also higher in some people with mediastinal germ cell tumors -- cancers in the middle of the chest (the mediastinum) that start in the same cells as germ cell tumors of the testicles and ovaries. Levels of HCG can be used to help diagnose these conditions and can be followed over time to see how well treatment is working. They can also be used to look for cancer that has come back after treatment has ended (recurrence).

An elevated blood level of HCG will also raise suspicions of cancer in certain situations. For example, in a woman who still has a large uterus after pregnancy has ended, a high blood level of this marker may be a sign of a cancer. This is also true of men with an enlarged testicle or anyone with a tumor in their chest.

It is hard to define the HCG normal level because there are different ways to test for this marker and each has its own normal value.
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Link
 
drewmar74 said:
What kind of tumor would cause the hgc to be elevated? Rather, where in the body?
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In my previous posts I mentioned the cancer/HCG association. The one that you readily worry about right off the bat in a male is testicular cancer. However, it serves as a marker for quite a few other cancers including gastrointestinal cancers, lung, and breast cancers.
 
Okay - so testicular cancer or possibly cancers in the center of the chest.....

How hard would it be to diagnose that?

I'm not throwing stones or leading with a line of questioning. I'm just trying to understand how all this comes together.
 
Thorn said:
I watched it. And my stance hasn't changed. Until something comes along that offers up something real, because neither the NFL or Cushing has really presented anything but talk, I'm taking Cushing at his word.
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Same here! Continues to be a lot of speculation, and will continue for a long long time. Sometimes I like to express my opinion, just because I CAN, and my opinion is pretty simple. MOVE ON!! The Texans should be prepared with a respectable backup anyway. Who's to say Brian, or anyone else, could go out against the Colts and substain an injury that would take them out for the season. A championship team is NOT based around one player, unless your the Colts and have PM,:) What's done is done, and our team should be prepared for the bad crap to happen. As for our boy Brian, he will have this stigma for the rest of his career. He needs to do whatever he has to do to put his mind at peace and then just go out there and kick some ass come Oct!!! JMO!
 
Its hard for me to decipher whats opinions from members here and what was said from the Cush. If someone can be so kind to paraphrase with bulletpoints maybe on what the bulk of the speech was about I would greatly appreciate it.

If you care, rep will follow.
 
dalemurphy said:
HoustonFrog is a Cowboy fan, right? So, his only hope as a fan is to tear down the morality of everyone in the NFL so that he doesn't feel so dirty rooting for that appalling team of his.
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Excuse me Dale, and no offense intended(which means it will offend), but that is the dumbest thing I ever heard out of your mouth. Its a logical way of looking at things. It's like Michael Irvin. Loved him as a player but thought he was way over his head with drugs, etc. When he got busted post-career and claimed his cousins stash just happened to be in the car, do you think I bought it?No. Just stop the dumb comments. The Cowboys have nothing to do with this. Aren't busts like this why you stopped being one of their fans when you weren't born yet? Go look at the arrest thread in the NFL section. You'll see how dumb the comments are. Stay on topic. I didn't know it was required to have the same rooting opinion when it came to a team. I laid out a sane, rational argument.
 
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