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Toby Gerhart news

badboy

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I just found following info from December 9th that running back Gerhart may have decided to enter NFL draft.

12/09/09 - Stanford running back Toby Gerhart appeared to accidentally disclose his NFL plans Tuesday, and if you’re a Stanford fan, the news wasn’t good. Here’s the chronology: During a press conference Tuesday morning to discuss the Heisman Trophy, Gerhart was asked if he had made a decision on next year. (He has the option to return to school.) His response: “Not yet. I’m soaking everything in.” Asked if winning the Heisman would affect his decision, he added: “I don’t know how much correlation there is between the Heisman and your pro potential.” But during an interview with Comcast’s Chronicle Live on Tuesday, Gerhart made a reference to training for the 40-yard dash: “I’m going to start training here shortly, get ready for the (NFL Draft) Combine.” Host Greg Papa then asked if that meant Gerhart had decided to enter the draft. Seemingly flustered — like he realized he said something he shouldn’t have — Gerhart stumbled for a second … then talked briefly about making a decision after the Sun Bowl … then added: “But it’s looking like that’s the way it’s going to go.”… And that pronouncement, unofficially official as it might have been, should come as zero surprise to anyone who has watched Gerhart play this season. His stock will never be higher — he’s projected to go in the second or third round — and his body might never be healthier. Given his physical running style and the punishment he takes every carry, entering the draft (and getting that first contract) is the smart thing to do. And when the winter quarter starts next month, he’ll only be three classes short of his degree …Papa then asked the same question Gerhart got at the morning presser: Would the Heisman voting, however it goes, affect his decision to turn pro? Gerhart, having composed himself, said: “I don’t think so. It’s going to totally depend on my evaluations by the NFL.” - John Wilner, Mercury News

link http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=65195&draftyear=2010&genpos=RB
 
He's a hard , downhill runner , but I think he's gonna have trouble holding onto the ball in the NFL. He's just a bit careless with the ball , many occasions I saw him holding it away from his body arms flailing around. He got away with it in college but that will be something defenses pick up on and target quickly in the NFL.

If that can be corrected he'll be a productive back .... I wouldnt want him any earlier than the 3rd. If someone else takes him earlier , fine - Lets fix the interior OL , S and CB spots.
 
Corrosion said:
He's a hard , downhill runner , but I think he's gonna have trouble holding onto the ball in the NFL. He's just a bit careless with the ball , many occasions I saw him holding it away from his body arms flailing around. He got away with it in college but that will be something defenses pick up on and target quickly in the NFL.

If that can be corrected he'll be a productive back .... I wouldnt want him any earlier than the 3rd. If someone else takes him earlier , fine - Lets fix the interior OL , S and CB spots.
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I don't think he is going to have any more trouble protecting the ball than any other RB in the NFL. He is as sound as it gets carrying the football, like most great backs who refuse to go down on contact is when he can gets in uncompromising positions but I'm not changing that it's what makes him special.
 
Corrosion said:
He's a hard , downhill runner , but I think he's gonna have trouble holding onto the ball in the NFL. He's just a bit careless with the ball , many occasions I saw him holding it away from his body arms flailing around. He got away with it in college but that will be something defenses pick up on and target quickly in the NFL.

If that can be corrected he'll be a productive back .... I wouldnt want him any earlier than the 3rd. If someone else takes him earlier , fine - Lets fix the interior OL , S and CB spots.
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I haven't seen any ball carrying issues with Gerhart but otherwise agree with your assessment of him. I'd take him in the 3rd round if still available but no earlier and I agree let's fix the O-line first or no RB is going anywhere. We need to fix CB and FS as well.
 
This is the first I have heard of ball security issues. I watched 4 games or so, and did not see any fumbles. He protects the ball going up the middle, and switches it to the outside hand along the sidelines.

Gerhart is my favorite back in the draft, closely followed by Dwyer. They are both pounding runners, Dwyer with more speed, but I think Gerhart has the edge in agility. I have seen some surprising cutbacks from him, considering he size.

My sig is how I feel.
 
Corrosion said:
He's a hard , downhill runner , but I think he's gonna have trouble holding onto the ball in the NFL. He's just a bit careless with the ball , many occasions I saw him holding it away from his body arms flailing around. He got away with it in college but that will be something defenses pick up on and target quickly in the NFL.

If that can be corrected he'll be a productive back .... I wouldnt want him any earlier than the 3rd. If someone else takes him earlier , fine - Lets fix the interior OL , S and CB spots.
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this is a very correctable issue, and has nothing to do with his ability as a runningback, basically.
 
Corrosion said:
He's a hard , downhill runner , but I think he's gonna have trouble holding onto the ball in the NFL. He's just a bit careless with the ball , many occasions I saw him holding it away from his body arms flailing around. He got away with it in college but that will be something defenses pick up on and target quickly in the NFL.
If that can be corrected he'll be a productive back .... I wouldnt want him any earlier than the 3rd. If someone else takes him earlier , fine - Lets fix the interior OL , S and CB spots.
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That applies to almost every Rb, WR and QB in college football. We never would have drafted Slaton. I think high school coaches and most college coaches are so happy with a guy that can gain yardage that they do not focus on ball handling. How many fumbles did Gerhart have in his career?
 
badboy said:
That applies to almost every Rb, WR and QB in college football. We never would have drafted Slaton. I think high school coaches and most college coaches are so happy with a guy that can gain yardage that they do not focus on ball handling. How many fumbles did Gerhart have in his career?
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0 fumbles in 677 touches in 4 years.
http://espn.go.com/ncf/player/profile?playerId=188524

That said, Slaton had 0 fumbles in his 3 years at West Virginia
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/player/profile?playerId=174468
 
Gerhart needs to have great Bowl/all star games and a great combine. Or he will be drafted in the 3/4 rd. IMO

The reason for this is two fold
1. Injury issues (He's had knee surgery)
2. The dumb graduation rules, He will miss all of the OTA's due to the fact his class at Stanford doesn't graduate until after OTA's are finished. Therefore he'll be beind most of the other rookies in this class. (Remember Brandon Harrison)

Dwyer is my favorite RB in this class. Followed by Ryan Matthews (more speed) but Gerhart is in the same class as them. IMO

Hardesty is my sleeper RB in this class.

This class is a weak class overall. (No Depth) IMO
 
steelbtexan said:
Gerhart needs to have great Bowl/all star games and a great combine. Or he will be drafted in the 3/4 rd. IMO

The reason for this is two fold
1. Injury issues (He's had knee surgery)
2. The dumb graduation rules, He will miss all of the OTA's due to the fact his class at Stanford doesn't graduate until after OTA's are finished. Therefore he'll be beind most of the other rookies in this class. (Remember Brandon Harrison)

Dwyer is my favorite RB in this class. Followed by Ryan Matthews (more speed) but Gerhart is in the same class as them. IMO

Hardesty is my sleeper RB in this class.

This class is a weak class overall. (No Depth) IMO
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Nope, he graduates this semester. He crammed in some hours so he could prepare for the combine. He is done with school.
 
theanswer000 said:
He runs standing up, kind of like Chris Brown.
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Do you watch? Power backs cannot run standing up, or else they could not be great power backs. Gerhart knows how to get low to take on the hits, that is why it takes 2, 3, 4 guys to take him down.
 
My guess at this point is that if Glen coffee can go before the Texans pick in the 3rd round, a player with size and dynamic production like Gerhart will go before that point. If i were to guess, i would think he between late first and mid-2nd.
 
He is just like Ron Dayne. Watch videos of Ron in college and Toby they are both basically the same. It just goes to show speed kills in the NFL. Most teams have a complete runner who can run the ball in any given situation. Why would you want to take a guy out on 3rd and 1 when he is hot? Best examples of these complete backs are.

Brandon Jacobs
Steven Jackson
Brian Westbrook when he was not hurt
Adrian Peterson
and many more

I just want the Texans to get a back that can come through on any given play.
 
theanswer000 said:
He is just like Ron Dayne. Watch videos of Ron in college and Toby they are both basically the same. It just goes to show speed kills in the NFL. Most teams have a complete runner who can run the ball in any given situation. Why would you want to take a guy out on 3rd and 1 when he is hot? Best examples of these complete backs are.

Brandon Jacobs
Steven Jackson
Brian Westbrook when he was not hurt
Adrian Peterson
and many more

I just want the Texans to get a back that can come through on any given play.
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You made my point. Brandon Jacobs ran between a 4.51 and a 4.56, well within the range Gerhart is expected to run. You dont need 4.3 speed to be a stud back. A lot of it is agility, intuition and determination.

Steven Jackson ran a 4.55, again where Gerhart is supposed to be.
 
theanswer000 said:
He is just like Ron Dayne. Watch videos of Ron in college and Toby they are both basically the same. It just goes to show speed kills in the NFL. Most teams have a complete runner who can run the ball in any given situation. Why would you want to take a guy out on 3rd and 1 when he is hot? Best examples of these complete backs are.

Brandon Jacobs
Steven Jackson
Brian Westbrook when he was not hurt
Adrian Peterson
and many more

I just want the Texans to get a back that can come through on any given play.
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Actaully, Wisconson has a back who is almost exactly Ron Dayne by the name of John Clay. He is around 6'2 245-250 and does not run as tough as his size suggests although he is fine once he gets ahead of steam. If Clay comes out he probably is another 2nd maybe 3rd round possiblity.
 
Stemp said:
0 fumbles in 677 touches in 4 years.
http://espn.go.com/ncf/player/profile?playerId=188524

That said, Slaton had 0 fumbles in his 3 years at West Virginia
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/player/profile?playerId=174468
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Those stats are wrong. ESPN hardly ever tracks fumbles for college players so I don't even know why they list it on the stats.

I don't know where you can find accurate numbers for fumbles but I know for a fact that those are wrong because Slaton had a four fumble game against Louisville his junior year.
 
bah007 said:
Those stats are wrong. ESPN hardly ever tracks fumbles for college players so I don't even know why they list it on the stats.

I don't know where you can find accurate numbers for fumbles but I know for a fact that those are wrong because Slaton had a four fumble game against Louisville his junior year.
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Yep, and I think Gerhart did have a fumble against Oregon, or Oregon State, I cant remember which.
 
rmartin65 said:
Nope, he graduates this semester. He crammed in some hours so he could prepare for the combine. He is done with school.
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Thanks for the info. This tells me Gerhart's serious about being the best professional player he can be.

Martin who does Gerhart remind you of ?

He reminds me of a cross between Mike Alstott and a better version of Marion Barber.

You've seen Gerhart play many games, am I off base in my assesment?

I've only watched USC, Oregon and ND games.
 
steelbtexan said:
Thanks for the info. This tells me Gerhart's serious about being the best professional player he can be.

Martin who does Gerhart remind you of ?

He reminds me of a cross between Mike Alstott and a better version of Marion Barber.

You've seen Gerhart play many games, am I off base in my assesment?

I've only watched USC, Oregon and ND games.
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I've often wondered if he won't end up a full back. Is he too tall?
 
steelbtexan said:
Thanks for the info. This tells me Gerhart's serious about being the best professional player he can be.

Martin who does Gerhart remind you of ?

He reminds me of a cross between Mike Alstott and a better version of Marion Barber.

You've seen Gerhart play many games, am I off base in my assesment?

I've only watched USC, Oregon and ND games.
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The Barber comparison is really great. Everyone goes for Alstott because they are both white, but really he looks like a slightly tweaked Marion Barber. They both run hard, have good agility, and are damn near unstoppable near the goal line.

barrett: I dont think Toby ends up a fullback. He is 6'1", so he is not too tall, but I just think he has the tools needed to be a successful runningback. Maybe a switch to FB later in his career, or if he gets an injury that causes him to lose some speed.
 
rmartin65 said:
The Barber comparison is really great. Everyone goes for Alstott because they are both white, but really he looks like a slightly tweaked Marion Barber. They both run hard, have good agility, and are damn near unstoppable near the goal line.

barrett: I dont think Toby ends up a fullback. He is 6'1", so he is not too tall, but I just think he has the tools needed to be a successful runningback. Maybe a switch to FB later in his career, or if he gets an injury that causes him to lose some speed.
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He reminds me of Craig James because of their whiteness .

How about a cross between Eddie George and Barber .
 
I've never seen a RB just like him. He does square his shoulders muck like Alstott/Riggins, low center of gravity w/both arms protecting the ball, very balanced weight transfer moving forward @ contact, then he becomes more dynamic adding an extra dimension. Has between tackle instict like Emmitt Smith combining power balance & spin moves via footwork/plants to drive & change direction, similar arm tackle defying spin moves then excellent vision to find crease while maintaining momentum, body lean & balance. Always looking for additional yards, knows where he needs to go for 1st down & nose in RZ for scoring points. Willing pass blocker, excellent route runner/hands in receiving game with bonus yards after catch.

so my comparision would be a combination of John Riggins/Emmitt Smith :)
 
beerlover said:
I've never seen a RB just like him. He does square his shoulders muck like Alstott/Riggins, low center of gravity w/both arms protecting the ball, very balanced weight transfer moving forward @ contact, then he becomes more dynamic adding an extra dimension. Has between tackle instict like Emmitt Smith combining power balance & spin moves via footwork/plants to drive & change direction, similar arm tackle defying spin moves then excellent vision to find crease while maintaining momentum, body lean & balance. Always looking for additional yards, knows where he needs to go for 1st down & nose in RZ for scoring points. Willing pass blocker, excellent route runner/hands in receiving game with bonus yards after catch.

so my comparision would be a combination of John Riggins/Emmitt Smith :)
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I take it you are a fan?
 
I've got nothing against Gerhardt. He looks like a stud to me. But if we are specualating that he'll go low second, high third, he's not the guy we need.

We need a factor back. 1st rounder expected to contribute early.



If there won't be one available when we pick, we need to make what ever deal needs to happen, happen. Or we need to make a big time free agent signing, or a big time trade.
 
thunderkyss said:
I've got nothing against Gerhardt. He looks like a stud to me. But if we are specualating that he'll go low second, high third, he's not the guy we need.

We need a factor back. 1st rounder expected to contribute early.



If there won't be one available when we pick, we need to make what ever deal needs to happen, happen. Or we need to make a big time free agent signing, or a big time trade.
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More road-grader studs in the middle of our O-line is what we need the most. That or a speedy FS.
 
thunderkyss said:
I've got nothing against Gerhardt. He looks like a stud to me. But if we are specualating that he'll go low second, high third, he's not the guy we need.

We need a factor back. 1st rounder expected to contribute early.



If there won't be one available when we pick, we need to make what ever deal needs to happen, happen. Or we need to make a big time free agent signing, or a big time trade.
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I have him pegged as a late first early second kind of guy. A lot depends on the 40 time, justly or not.
 
rmartin65 said:
I have him pegged as a late first early second kind of guy. A lot depends on the 40 time, justly or not.
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you know 40 times are over-rated?

red zone conversion ability is not.

Toby Gerhart won Doak Walker Award (nation’s best running back). Ironic isn't it that the Heisman went to a RB not named Toby?
 
beerlover said:
you know 40 times are over-rated?

red zone conversion ability is not.

Toby Gerhart won Doak Walker Award (nation’s best running back). Ironic isn't it that the Heisman went to a RB not named Toby?
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40 times are over-rated and life isnt fair but thats the way it is like it or not. The only way a RB gets picked in the first round with a slow 40 time is if he has a really good 3-Cone time at the NFL Scouting Combine. I could be wrong but I just dont see Gerhart having the kind of agility needed to accomplish that.
 
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beerlover said:
I've never seen a RB just like him. He does square his shoulders muck like Alstott/Riggins, low center of gravity w/both arms protecting the ball, very balanced weight transfer moving forward @ contact, then he becomes more dynamic adding an extra dimension. Has between tackle instict like Emmitt Smith combining power balance & spin moves via footwork/plants to drive & change direction, similar arm tackle defying spin moves then excellent vision to find crease while maintaining momentum, body lean & balance. Always looking for additional yards, knows where he needs to go for 1st down & nose in RZ for scoring points. Willing pass blocker, excellent route runner/hands in receiving game with bonus yards after catch.

so my comparision would be a combination of John Riggins/Emmitt Smith :)
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:barman: I hope your drunk because if you are making that kind of statement sober then your out of your mind. I want a great white RB as much as the next black guy wants a great black QB but Toby aint the one. Watch some of his games and tell me he didnt have GREAT blocking in front of him. In all his highlight videos he is 2 or 3 yards down the feild before he ever makes contact with a defender. In fact the mor I see of him the more I wonder how good he really is. At the moment I cant give him better than a 3rd round grade. Of course I reserve the right to change that opinion after the combine. :)
 
beerlover said:
you know 40 times are over-rated?

red zone conversion ability is not.

Toby Gerhart won Doak Walker Award (nation’s best running back). Ironic isn't it that the Heisman went to a RB not named Toby?
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Yep, I know that. That is why I said justly or not. 40 times are sexy. If a player runs a slower one than expected, he drops. It happens every year. Remember: I was the original Gerhart guy on the board. I think he will be a great back in the pros, exactly what the Texans need. On the right team, I see him having a 1000 yard, 15 TD rookie season.
 
rmartin65 said:
Yep, I know that. That is why I said justly or not. 40 times are sexy. If a player runs a slower one than expected, he drops. It happens every year. Remember: I was the original Gerhart guy on the board. I think he will be a great back in the pros, exactly what the Texans need. On the right team, I see him having a 1000 yard, 15 TD rookie season.
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If the Texans don't draft him are you going to switch to the team that drafts him and call the local shows weekly ?
 
After watching our RB's fumble all year I would settle for a RB that doesn't fumble and can convert 3rd and 1.

I dont think that is asking to much.
 
steelbtexan said:
After watching our RB's fumble all year I would settle for a RB that doesn't fumble and can convert 3rd and 1.

I dont think that is asking to much.
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Obviously for this team it is asking too much .... ugh , makes me sick watching them - Almost reminds me of any Oilers team that was playing the Steelers .... they just found a way to screw up.

This team has a few holes to fill ... RB is a HUGE one.
 
This is interesting. Toby has 77 yards and a TD already. But OU has caused Toby to fumble twice. Then again, Gerhart has recovered both of them, one of them for a TD.

If the RB fumbles, recovers it and scores, is it a rushing TD or a FR TD? SI.com has it as 1 rushing and one off the fumble recovery, but the TV has it as 2 rushing.
 
rmartin65 said:
This is interesting. Toby has 77 yards and a TD already. But OU has caused Toby to fumble twice. Then again, Gerhart has recovered both of them, one of them for a TD.

If the RB fumbles, recovers it and scores, is it a rushing TD or a FR TD? SI.com has it as 1 rushing and one off the fumble recovery, but the TV has it as 2 rushing.
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Corrosion said:
He's a hard , downhill runner , but I think he's gonna have trouble holding onto the ball in the NFL. He's just a bit careless with the ball , many occasions I saw him holding it away from his body arms flailing around. He got away with it in college but that will be something defenses pick up on and target quickly in the NFL.

If that can be corrected he'll be a productive back .... I wouldnt want him any earlier than the 3rd. If someone else takes him earlier , fine - Lets fix the interior OL , S and CB spots.
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:barman:
 
Corrosion said:
:barman:
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Actually, i saw a guy on another board who compared Gerhart to a Houston Texans favorite :hairpull: Chris Brown. Upright running style, not a volume fumbler, but not exactly trustworthy either. Not my take but to todays game has me thinking.
 
ArlingtonTexan said:
Actually, i saw a guy on another board who compared Gerhart to a Houston Texans favorite :hairpull: Chris Brown. Upright running style, not a volume fumbler, but not exactly trustworthy either. Not my take but to todays game has me thinking.
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Chris Brown had a couple good years with the Tacks, he was just hurt too much. But yeah, he was known as a fumbler.
 
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Gerhart put up good numbers against OU (the best defense he has faced this year). But he fumbled three times. You just can't have that. He's not always gonna be lucky enough to recover all of them.
 
bah007 said:
Gerhart put up good numbers against OU (the best defense he has faced this year). But he fumbled three times. You just can't have that. He's not always gonna be lucky enough to recover all of them.
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I really think his position has benifited up until this point by the level of competition he has faced in the CrAP 10. The defenses he has faced were no where near the calibur in the Big 12 or SEC or those he will face in the NFL. Oklahoma's defense is about as close as you can get to an NFL defense (sure there are a couple better) and he put the ball on the turf 3 times.

I wouldnt touch him until late in the 3rd or beyond. Turnovers kill ....
 
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