Gary Kubiak is the David Carr of Coaches

[HoustonFrog]

Really. He is

The parallels are uncanny and the arguments on the board parallel the ones made years ago. I'll try to go through them one by one

1) "Dave needs more talent around him" and "Gary needs more talent on the team."--These arguments have been made by pro-Gary and DC lovers alike. The basic premise is that waiting one more year will give each of these people more talent through the draft and FA to become a better QB or Coach. With Dave it failed. So far with Gary it has led to more talented teams producing the same records.

2) Same Mistakes, Different Year--This one really gets to me the most. Most of us that wanted DC gone always looked at things he couldn't master over a 4 year period....took bad sacks, stared down receivers and wouldn't throw the ball away. He never could get those basic things down. Gary has the same problems and they have reared their head over and over in 4 years...wastes time outs/bad time management, horrible challenges, having his team ready to play every week/Discipline.

3) Owner loves them/They are Nice People To the point where all objectivity goes out the window. They are NIIIICCCE. "He" is a nice guy. Dave is a good Christian that really is a good guy. Bob loves him. Gary is a good guy who really takes this to heart. Bob wants him to succeed. Blah!

4) Hair--At one point they both sported a feathered butt cut

5) "Did you see that improvement"--These are the little things that are pointed out that support each of them. Gary has made the offense a top offense, yet they keep losing big games. Dave had a season where he had a top passer rating(throwing 5 yard passes) yet they kept losing. So you see things to hang your hat on yet there seems to be a result failure that correlates with them.

Sorry, had to have some good natured fun with #4. Overall it is like I've stepped back in time to hear the same arguments for or against with "For Gary" being more emotional toward the man and having no real thing to point to and the "Fire Gary" as more statistical and pointing out what he has failed to do despite more talent. Fire up the DeLorean

 

[Silver Oak]

 

[HoustonFrog]

What is so stupid about it? There is a divide in the fan base and both sides have similarities in their arguments. It is more an observation of what is going on. I'm sorry I don't agree with your unwaivering and unquestioning faith in mediocre results. Look at your signature and then this. It is like you are a little kid throwing a tantrum because people are speaking their minds.

 

[drewmar74]

Sorry. Not going to stop posting.

Great points although I don't recall ever seeing Kubiak with a feathered butt cut. Other than that, spot on.

Very interesting food for thought.

 

[GP]

Really. He is

The parallels are uncanny and the arguments on the board parallel the ones made years ago. I'll try to go through them one by one

1) "Dave needs more talent around him" and "Gary needs more talent on the team."--These arguments have been made by pro-Gary and DC lovers alike. The basic premise is that waiting one more year will give each of these people more talent through the draft and FA to become a better QB or Coach. With Dave it failed. So far with Gary it has led to more talented teams producing the same records.

2) Same Mistakes, Different Year--This one really gets to me the most. Most of us that wanted DC gone always looked at things he couldn't master over a 4 year period....took bad sacks, stared down receivers and wouldn't throw the ball away. He never could get those basic things down. Gary has the same problems and they have reared their head over and over in 4 years...wastes time outs/bad time management, horrible challenges, having his team ready to play every week/Discipline.

3) Owner loves them/They are Nice People To the point where all objectivity goes out the window. They are NIIIICCCE. "He" is a nice guy. Dave is a good Christian that really is a good guy. Bob loves him. Gary is a good guy who really takes this to heart. Bob wants him to succeed. Blah!

4) Hair--At one point they both sported a feathered butt cut

5) "Did you see that improvement"--These are the little things that are pointed out that support each of them. Gary has made the offense a top offense, yet they keep losing big games. Dave had a season where he had a top passer rating(throwing 5 yard passes) yet they kept losing. So you see things to hang your hat on yet there seems to be a result failure that correlates with them.

Sorry, had to have some good natured fun with #4. Overall it is like I've stepped back in time to hear the same arguments for or against with "For Gary" being more emotional toward the man and having no real thing to point to and the "Fire Gary" as more statistical and pointing out what he has failed to do despite more talent. Fire up the DeLorean

I stuck with David Carr up until the first few weeks of his last season here.

So I felt that I was qualified to start asking for Kubiak's head a season or so ago, since I knew what a failure looked like and that I would be determined to stay off the Kool Aid when the opportunity presented itself again. I even went for the combo meal by saying that Schaub is (a) too slow, (b) too fragile, and (c) not going to elevate to the level we expect him to attain.

Then, I got all giddy with the drafting of Cushing and I started taking sips of the Kool Aid over the preseason. I even stayed level-headed through the end of the Cards game, saying that I felt we would go on a win streak. And we did. But then I said we'd have a let-down game, and I never figured it would be 4 consecutive let-down games.

I've decided that Gurry Kubiak is so entrenched in the massive overhauling project he undertook four years ago, that he now doesn't know how to focus solely upon gameday strategy and typical head coach tasks.

The games have a feel of being a normal Texans practice, with Kubiak analyzing his offense and trying out the plays he thinks will work. In his mind, there is no defense on the field; he's running his plays and wants to ensure that ONLY his plays are ran. This is why he's away from the players and in his own world. He's locked away in his laboratory and can't be disturbed by any of his fellow scientists or colleagues.

Except there IS a defense on the field, and they ARE adjusting to us.

It feels like this offense has fallen down into the rabbit hole.

Our QB can't audible unless it's to a running play. Is he for real? LOL. We have THE best wide receiver, maybe in the history of the game (arguably) and we can't use him to our advantage by audibling to a pass play that sets him up? Tom Brady would kill to have Andre Johnson.

We sit one of our top playmakers because of being late to a meeting? Past transgressions aside, you're trying to WIN and SAVE YOUR JOB, Gurry! Figure out a better way to lead men instead of a cookie-cutter approach that worked in the 1950s. This is a business, Gurry!

Frank Bush has LESS playmakers (He's got three: Mario, Ryans, Cushing) and one solid run-support guy (Pollard) and I think he has done a better job of c-o-a-c-h-i-n-g his squad than Kubiak has done with Schaub, OD, AJ, Slaton, His two butt-buddies Beavis and Butt-Head, and Jacoby Jones.

Throw in a low-risk, safe-bet owner like Bob McNair and we got problems, folks. I've been screaming it from the rooftops that the owner just might be the biggest culprit of all (great guy and all, but hey: We want a winning team!).

Glad to have Texans football. Not thrilled with the direction Gurry Kubiak has taken us this season.

 

[HoustonFrog]

Sorry. Not going to stop posting.

Great points although I don't recall ever seeing Kubiak with a feathered butt cut. Other than that, spot on.

Very interesting food for thought.

And that was my point....food for thought. I'm not saying Kubes can't do it down the line with another team or that if he is kept around they won't do better. But I joined the board in full DC crisis and the arguments are very similar now

 

[Texan_Bill]

 

[Heath Shuler]

David Carr is a worthless excuse for a NFL QB. Any and all comparisons of him to anything other than what gets flushed down a toilet are meaningless and unfair. Kubiak may or may not have the ability to be a successful NFL head coach (I’m still undecided about if he deserves another year here) but he is no David Carr. To compare Carr (the second most responsible person for the Texans failure) to Kubiak is way off the mark.

 

[Texan_Bill]

 

[Mr. White]

4) Hair--At one point they both sported a feathered butt cut

 

[HoustonFrog]

David Carr is a worthless excuse for a NFL QB. Any and all comparisons of him to anything other than what gets flushed down a toilet are meaningless and unfair. Kubiak may or may not have the ability to be a successful NFL head coach (I’m still undecided about if he deserves another year here) but he is no David Carr. To compare Carr (the second most responsible person for the Texans failure) to Kubiak is way off the mark.

Again, it was an exercise to show parallels between the arguments against both at a similar time. The arguments just kept jumping out...especially the development in certain areas/mistakes. Carr was horrible in the end. There is no guarantee that Kubes will be any better of a coach than coordinator. Although I think he has done much more here than DC ever could do.

 

[HOU-TEX]

Mother of Pearl! Seeing Kubiak/Carr comparisons has got to mean we're close to rock bottom.

This season------>

 

[hollywood_texan]

This thread hurts because it is bringing back some old memories.

 

[Brando]

Nope. Gary turned this franchise into a team that is respectable. HWSNBN kept this team from being respectable. Gary has been in the league 25+ years and is known for putting in the work. HWSNBN not so much.

I'm not saying he 's having trouble getting the team over that hump because he is and that might cost him his job.


Sorry I don't see the comparison.

 

[BigBull17]

I stuck with David Carr up until the first few weeks of his last season here.

So I felt that I was qualified to start asking for Kubiak's head a season or so ago, since I knew what a failure looked like and that I would be determined to stay off the Kool Aid when the opportunity presented itself again. I even went for the combo meal by saying that Schaub is (a) too slow, (b) too fragile, and (c) not going to elevate to the level we expect him to attain.

Then, I got all giddy with the drafting of Cushing and I started taking sips of the Kool Aid over the preseason. I even stayed level-headed through the end of the Cards game, saying that I felt we would go on a win streak. And we did. But then I said we'd have a let-down game, and I never figured it would be 4 consecutive let-down games.

I've decided that Gurry Kubiak is so entrenched in the massive overhauling project he undertook four years ago, that he now doesn't know how to focus solely upon gameday strategy and typical head coach tasks.

The games have a feel of being a normal Texans practice, with Kubiak analyzing his offense and trying out the plays he thinks will work. In his mind, there is no defense on the field; he's running his plays and wants to ensure that ONLY his plays are ran. This is why he's away from the players and in his own world. He's locked away in his laboratory and can't be disturbed by any of his fellow scientists or colleagues.

Except there IS a defense on the field, and they ARE adjusting to us.

It feels like this offense has fallen down into the rabbit hole.

Our QB can't audible unless it's to a running play. Is he for real? LOL. We have THE best wide receiver, maybe in the history of the game (arguably) and we can't use him to our advantage by audibling to a pass play that sets him up? Tom Brady would kill to have Andre Johnson.

We sit one of our top playmakers because of being late to a meeting? Past transgressions aside, you're trying to WIN and SAVE YOUR JOB, Gurry! Figure out a better way to lead men instead of a cookie-cutter approach that worked in the 1950s. This is a business, Gurry!

Frank Bush has LESS playmakers (He's got three: Mario, Ryans, Cushing) and one solid run-support guy (Pollard) and I think he has done a better job of c-o-a-c-h-i-n-g his squad than Kubiak has done with Schaub, OD, AJ, Slaton, His two butt-buddies Beavis and Butt-Head, and Jacoby Jones.
Throw in a low-risk, safe-bet owner like Bob McNair and we got problems, folks. I've been screaming it from the rooftops that the owner just might be the biggest culprit of all (great guy and all, but hey: We want a winning team!).

Glad to have Texans football. Not thrilled with the direction Gurry Kubiak has taken us this season.

I agree with all of it, but the bolded most of all.

 

[Silver Oak]

I'm sorry I don't agree with your unwaivering and unquestioning faith in mediocre results.

again, for clarity...I am simply erring on the side of optimism. there are things I think he can and should improve on. "unwavering and unquestioning faith"...I don't think so, but if that is how you see the other side of this argument, there's really not much sense in debating any points with you.

 

[HoustonFrog]

again, for clarity...I am simply erring on the side of optimism. there are things I think he can and should improve on. "unwavering and unquestioning faith"...I don't think so, but if that is how you see the other side of this argument, there's really not much sense in debating any points with you.

That isn't how I see the other side of the debate. That is what I see in you when you constantly attack any thought out argument to the contrary and when you use that signature and the sign above...by the way......

IMMEDIATELY is spelled wrong. And the thread is stupid? Nice work

 

[spurstexanstros]

Well at least Kubiak is not the Glass Schaub of coaches takes one hit and doesnt get up.

 

[WWJD]

Schaub is certainly not the problem with the Texans. All anybody has to do is see last week's game when he went down. It's a HUGE drop when he's not QB'ing this team. I have never dislocated or separated my shoulder but I can't imagine it's too much fun and I certainly gained a mile of respect for the guy for coming back into the game. He's so not the problem.

 

[Texan_Bill]

Mother of Pearl! Seeing Kubiak/Carr comparisons has got to mean we're close to rock bottom.

This season------>

This is the type of crap that makes me want to drink.

 

[HoustonFrog]

This is the type of crap that makes me want to drink.

Glad I could help. It's the season to enjoy

 

[Mr. White]

I'll tell you one parallel that I'm seeing between the two.

A lot of the same people that were making excuses for Carr in 2006 are making excuses for Kubiak in 2009.

 

[Texecutioner]

This thread is awsome and so spot one!!! So spot on that I have nothing to add.

 

[Joe Texan]

All at once guys, Grab the pink soap, nice color by the way girlies, And shove that soap straight up your arse


Gary Kubiak may have some problems but so did Parcells in Dallas
Jerry jones was a pink soap holder too as he got rid of the tuna
Gary will take us to the playoffs next year and he will do it with all of you jumping back on the wagon, when that happens i might occasionally remind you that you put your foot in your mouth.

 

[DexmanC]

All at once guys, Grab the pink soap, nice color by the way girlies, And shove that soap straight up your arse


Gary Kubiak may have some problems but so did Parcells in Dallas
Jerry jones was a pink soap holder too as he got rid of the tuna
Gary will take us to the playoffs next year and he will do it with all of you jumping back on the wagon, when that happens i might occasionally remind you that you put your foot in your mouth.

Joe. He'd need to win at least three division games to get us into the playoffs.
He hasn't done that in over three years. So, what makes us an AFC South
contender?

 

[Porky]

All at once guys, Grab the pink soap, nice color by the way girlies, And shove that soap straight up your arse


Gary Kubiak may have some problems but so did Parcells in Dallas
Jerry jones was a pink soap holder too as he got rid of the tuna
Gary will take us to the playoffs next year and he will do it with all of you jumping back on the wagon, when that happens i might occasionally remind you that you put your foot in your mouth.

Do you prefer Battle Red koolaid?

 

[Vinny]

All at once guys, Grab the pink soap, nice color by the way girlies, And shove that soap straight up your arse

Joe you cry and lash out when people come here and insult the fans. You gonna stop crying about that going forward I assume?

 

[Porky]

I think Frog has made some great points and I can see the comparison. Granted Gary has taken us further, but the comparion is very valid overall in my view. Gary was a good rebuilder and I thank him for bringing us into at least some realm of respectibility, but it's as clear as the nose on your face that this isn't the guy to take us to the promised land. Unfortentely, the more I think about it, the more I am convinced that Uncle Bob is going to give us one more year of the same. I'm feeling sick to my stomach.

 

[Texecutioner]

All at once guys, Grab the pink soap, nice color by the way girlies, And shove that soap straight up your arse


Gary Kubiak may have some problems but so did Parcells in Dallas
Jerry jones was a pink soap holder too as he got rid of the tuna
Gary will take us to the playoffs next year and he will do it with all of you jumping back on the wagon, when that happens i might occasionally remind you that you put your foot in your mouth.

Boy I say I say!! Wait until next year!!!


God I'm sick of hearing that.

 

[disaacks3]

Boy I say I say!! Wait until next year!!!


God I'm sick of hearing that.

Even more appropriate since we are playing the chicken hawks this week!

 

[imatexan]

Agreed.

These threads must stop!

Everytime I come on here to I see a few more threads about Kubiak and somehow comparing him to ex players on our team, draft choices,why he sucks,etc. This goes for the opposite side as well(keeping him).

We have four games to play any way you look at it.

This is TEXANSTALK not KUBIAKTALK.

Sorry it is just getting old fast, especially since we have other things to talk about like the Seahawks which I have not seen one thread about.

 

[Texan_Bill]

Do you prefer Battle Red koolaid?

As a matter of fact, Blue Crew does prefer Battle Red koolaid.......... Leaded of course.

 

[Texan_Bill]

Glad I could help. It's the season to enjoy

Like I really need excuses... "Hey, it's happy hour somewhere in the world"

 

[HoustonFrog]

Agreed.

These threads must stop!

Everytime I come on here to I see a few more threads about Kubiak and somehow comparing him to ex players on our team, draft choices,why he sucks,etc. This goes for the opposite side as well(keeping him).

We have four games to play any way you look at it.

This is TEXANSTALK not KUBIAKTALK.

Sorry it is just getting old fast, especially since we have other things to talk about like the Seahawks which I have not seen one thread about.

Sorry but it is a relevant subject at a relevant crossroads for this team. I'm not sure what you expect.

 

[Hagar]

I just want to make people silky-smooth! ~ You Don't Mess with the Zohan

 

[Big Lou]

Really. He is

The parallels are uncanny and the arguments on the board parallel the ones made years ago. I'll try to go through them one by one

1) "Dave needs more talent around him" and "Gary needs more talent on the team."--These arguments have been made by pro-Gary and DC lovers alike. The basic premise is that waiting one more year will give each of these people more talent through the draft and FA to become a better QB or Coach. With Dave it failed. So far with Gary it has led to more talented teams producing the same records.

2) Same Mistakes, Different Year--This one really gets to me the most. Most of us that wanted DC gone always looked at things he couldn't master over a 4 year period....took bad sacks, stared down receivers and wouldn't throw the ball away. He never could get those basic things down. Gary has the same problems and they have reared their head over and over in 4 years...wastes time outs/bad time management, horrible challenges, having his team ready to play every week/Discipline.

3) Owner loves them/They are Nice People To the point where all objectivity goes out the window. They are NIIIICCCE. "He" is a nice guy. Dave is a good Christian that really is a good guy. Bob loves him. Gary is a good guy who really takes this to heart. Bob wants him to succeed. Blah!

4) Hair--At one point they both sported a feathered butt cut

5) "Did you see that improvement"--These are the little things that are pointed out that support each of them. Gary has made the offense a top offense, yet they keep losing big games. Dave had a season where he had a top passer rating(throwing 5 yard passes) yet they kept losing. So you see things to hang your hat on yet there seems to be a result failure that correlates with them.

Sorry, had to have some good natured fun with #4. Overall it is like I've stepped back in time to hear the same arguments for or against with "For Gary" being more emotional toward the man and having no real thing to point to and the "Fire Gary" as more statistical and pointing out what he has failed to do despite more talent. Fire up the DeLorean

Aahhh, but he doesn't wear mittens!!!!!!

 

[Big Lou]

As a matter of fact, Blue Crew does prefer Battle Red koolaid.......... Leaded of course.

I hope Jim Jones wasn't the one pouring those.......

 

[DBCooper]

Agreed.

These threads must stop!

Everytime I come on here to I see a few more threads about Kubiak and somehow comparing him to ex players on our team, draft choices,why he sucks,etc. This goes for the opposite side as well(keeping him).

We have four games to play any way you look at it.

This is TEXANSTALK not KUBIAKTALK.

Sorry it is just getting old fast, especially since we have other things to talk about like the Seahawks which I have not seen one thread about.

Kubiak is the Texans, he builds and directs, this is his ship to sail or sink. 2 years of 8-8 and who knows what this year, we better be questioning his ability to win, anything else and you have your head up a feathered butt cut!

 

[imatexan]

Kubiak is the Texans, he builds and directs, this is his ship to sail or sink. 2 years of 8-8 and who knows what this year, we better be questioning his ability to win, anything else and you have your head up a feathered butt cut!

I never said that we should question him, I said on both sides that it is getting out of control.

That is the ONLY thing being talked about here, NOTHING about this Sundays game.

The entire point of being a Texans fan is to watch/attend/listen to the games on Sunday, if someone visited texanstalk for the first time they would think it is the offseason.

I love football season and when it is the offseason all I can think about is when the Texans are going to hit the field again.

I promise that the offseason will come before you know it and then ALL we will have to talk about is silly things like this, other than signings,etc.

 

[TimeKiller]

1) Kind of a BS point. Any team that didn't win the superbowl that year needed more talent.

2) This one kills me. Same mistakes over and over, stubbornness. Can't fix it but won't change it.

3) Having the faith of your owner is a bad thing? I must be dreaming.

4) I know you're trying to throw in a little chuckle but damn, a guy can't even have a haircut without getting it criticized. It's not like everything else about him sucks too, like with Carr, leave his hair out of it.

5) Improvements are improvements and I will love every single one they make. I think your real point is about consistency, which the team totally lacks.

So 1 is crap, 2 is valid, 3 is crap, 4 is a potshot and crap and 5 tried to make a point and missed. 1 valid comparison to David Carr=not comparable to David Carr.

 

[Second Honeymoon]

Really. He is

The parallels are uncanny and the arguments on the board parallel the ones made years ago. I'll try to go through them one by one

1) "Dave needs more talent around him" and "Gary needs more talent on the team."--These arguments have been made by pro-Gary and DC lovers alike. The basic premise is that waiting one more year will give each of these people more talent through the draft and FA to become a better QB or Coach. With Dave it failed. So far with Gary it has led to more talented teams producing the same records.

2) Same Mistakes, Different Year--This one really gets to me the most. Most of us that wanted DC gone always looked at things he couldn't master over a 4 year period....took bad sacks, stared down receivers and wouldn't throw the ball away. He never could get those basic things down. Gary has the same problems and they have reared their head over and over in 4 years...wastes time outs/bad time management, horrible challenges, having his team ready to play every week/Discipline.

3) Owner loves them/They are Nice People To the point where all objectivity goes out the window. They are NIIIICCCE. "He" is a nice guy. Dave is a good Christian that really is a good guy. Bob loves him. Gary is a good guy who really takes this to heart. Bob wants him to succeed. Blah!

4) Hair--At one point they both sported a feathered butt cut

5) "Did you see that improvement"--These are the little things that are pointed out that support each of them. Gary has made the offense a top offense, yet they keep losing big games. Dave had a season where he had a top passer rating(throwing 5 yard passes) yet they kept losing. So you see things to hang your hat on yet there seems to be a result failure that correlates with them.

Sorry, had to have some good natured fun with #4. Overall it is like I've stepped back in time to hear the same arguments for or against with "For Gary" being more emotional toward the man and having no real thing to point to and the "Fire Gary" as more statistical and pointing out what he has failed to do despite more talent. Fire up the DeLorean

great post HF

 

[HoustonFrog]

1) Kind of a BS point. Any team that didn't win the superbowl that year needed more talent.

2) This one kills me. Same mistakes over and over, stubbornness. Can't fix it but won't change it.

3) Having the faith of your owner is a bad thing? I must be dreaming.

4) I know you're trying to throw in a little chuckle but damn, a guy can't even have a haircut without getting it criticized. It's not like everything else about him sucks too, like with Carr, leave his hair out of it.

5) Improvements are improvements and I will love every single one they make. I think your real point is about consistency, which the team totally lacks.

So 1 is crap, 2 is valid, 3 is crap, 4 is a potshot and crap and 5 tried to make a point and missed. 1 valid comparison to David Carr=not comparable to David Carr.

Completely disagree with your assessment.

#1--For a week now many here have said we should keep Kubes and give him another year to gather/add more talent through the draft and FA. It has been in almost every thread. When DC was here many said he needed some complimentary players and he couldn't do it on his own. It was echoed yearly. "We just need more pieces." Every team that didn't win the SB had NOTHING to do with the point. These are almost excuses like.."just give them the perfect situation."

#3 is valid because it is more than faith. People are basing their reasoning on keeping people on being "nice." The owner does too. He said it about Dave and Kubes. It is about results. Some great people fail in this league.

#4--Levity...with all due respect..get over yourself about a joke

#5--It wasn't about consistency. It was about the fact that despite improvements that people attributed to them, it didn't translate onto the field.

You can call it b.s. or take it all way too seriously but overall, if you read all the threads, alot of thse points are the common theme and they were back then too. In fact I'd agree with a post above that I bet many of the hard cord DC supporters are also the hardcore Kubes supporters

 

[Silver Oak]

Wow...some neg rep from IlliniJen.

"You really need to get off of people's nuts."

Stay classy there Jen.

 

[NitroGSXR]

Sometimes bird poo tastes like candy...

 

[JB]

Sometimes bird poo tastes like candy...

Wha???

 

[Vinny]

Sometimes bird poo tastes like candy...

glad I'm not the one who had to figure this one out.

 

[NitroGSXR]

Wha???

It's a line from the movie... Bad News Bears with John Malkovich. The Texans and Gary Kubiak is the bird poo. We keep eating it. Sometimes it's good but we all know it's still bird poo.

 

[DBCooper]

It's a line from the movie... Bad News Bears with John Malkovich. The Texans and Gary Kubiak is the bird poo. We keep eating it. Sometimes it's good but we all know it's still bird poo.

Feathered butt cut poo.

 

[HoustonFrog]

I wanted to actually do some research to back up my thesis and look at the things I found. No rhyme or reason to whom I quoted....except Thunder . Here is the search. It is like this week and these weeks were meant to be..lol

Here is the search

http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/search.php?searchid=548294

"David Carr Deserves To Start Here 1 More Year"

http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=17112&highlight=David+Carr

4th season, Carr did regress. But look at the situation he was in. The O-Line shuffled around almost the entire season, key blockers were hurt, DD was hurt, and AJ was hurt for a lot of the season. Despite this, he still completed over 60% of his passes and threw for more TDs than INTs. True, we were throwing mostly slant routes and quick hooks, but the fact is, he was surrounded by almost no one this season, and performed admirably well.

I'm being Honest, we've Given David Carr a free Ride the last 4 years. No other QB(other than Jake Plummer) has had such luxury, not Ryan Leaf, Joey Harrington, Akilli Smith(sp), Quincy Carter, and a bunch more. We've spoiled him, and babbied him. I'm giving him time to show the league that he is worth something. Let's pay him $8mil over the next three years. $3mil for the next two, then we're only talking about a $2mil hit in 2007.

I'm not attacking you at all. I don't know you well enough to have a beef with you. Your statement alluding that Carr has had four years of fair treatment is totally fair game, however. I never said the NFL is fair, and I understand how things go in the NFL. If you think that Carr should toughen up because life isn't fair, I have no quarrel with that opinion. But YOU said that he's had four years of fair treatment, which is pretty blatantly wrong, IMO.

"Why are Some So Blinded By David Carr"

http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=17110&highlight=David+Carr

why are some people so blinded by david carr, I personally have not seen anything out of him in the 4 years hes been here to make me think he is the best thing for this franchise. whether the front office wants to admit it or not this franchise is now starting over and in a rebuilding mode, but how can we/they even claim it as a rebuilding mode when nothing was ever really built. And i am tired of hearing the same old stuff about how he has never had an oline because although that might have something to do with, there is much more to it than just the oline. i firmly believe along with many others that if VY recieves appropriate coaching and given time that he will be a better nfl qb than david and would be a great addition for this team and city.

with change coming to the front office and depending on what they do to help our OL issues i'd say 1 more season to prove his worth. BUT if they dont feel like we can fix the OL in one season and we start "rebuilding" already than sure why not get one of colleges best QBs and start building around him.

Exactly. i think reasonable, rational people are willing to entertain the idea that Carr may not prove to be the future QB of this team. Until the foundation of this team is fixed, however, it's definitely not clear that he's a failure and there's ample evidence to suggest that a new QB would endure much of the same treatment.

When troubleshooting a problem, change the fewest number of variables between tests as possible - that's basic problem-solving.

 

[HoustonFrog]

"Is David Carr All That Bad."

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Welcome to the board, you should fit in just fine here. Generally, there are three camps regarding David Carr:

(1) David Carr sucks, and I do mean, sucks like no one else. He is quite possibly the worst quarterback in the league, and we have his pretty boy looks, his "homer" fans, and his complete and total lack of anything resembling skill to blame for this 2-14 record. Vince Young takes a dump and his teammates are inspired, rally around it, and subsequently will go the playoffs.

(2) David Carr is the man. The guy has never made an honest mistake in his life: it's either his O-line, playcalling, coaching, receivers, or quite possibly the fact that he cut his hair that's to blame for anything and everything you thought he did wrong. Football's a team game, and it's the team that sucks.

(3) David who? Reggie Bush is an automatic touchdown everytime he looks at the ball. Draft him, problems solved.

That is pretty much it, with only slight variation to the theme As I say, welcome aboard.

"I Love David Carr"

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Yeah, he's got some problems. He's shellshocked....... but the kids tough, there ain't no denying it. I think he has what it takes to overcome his bad habits. With our new coach...... Gary Kubiak(success out the bum with Denver)... Sherman(Yeah, I think he knows how to win), and an offense committed to run the football.......

with our running game beating out chunks of yards, David's going to kill the AFC South, with play action passing, his big arm, and three speedy widerecievers...... two of which are probowlers by the way.

He's been working with our new coach for 3 months now, he's going to have the playbook under his belt by the time the season starts. After a good training camp, and a successfull season, he'll have his mistakes way down... then he can step up front as the leader we thought we drafted back in 2002.

He doesn't make constant mistakes...... he doesn't demand to sit when he's obviously getting his but beat...... when we don't have a chance to win...... no, he's running for first downs, head first trying to get his team back in the game.

I know I gave my boy a hard time the last few months.... & I'm sorry. I had to take extreme measures, to make sure this team didn't draft Reggie Bush....... nothing against Reggie.... but we needed to clean our stadium of that vile crew that cheered our Houston Texans to lose........ the "Bush Bowl" fans.

Now that the Texans are doing the smart thing, and drafting Mario Williams with the #1 overall, I'm done with that.

You mess with David, and your messing with me. He's my boy, and I got his back.

"Show Your Disdain for David Carr"

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I wouldn't say that I'm disdainful, but I agree it's time for a change.

My reason (outside of X's and O's) is that Carr is held to a different standard than the rest of the team. It's not healthy.

Never have liked Carr as a prospect or player. The fact that his contract has been one of the two highest on the team means that money is tied up that could be applied to the many other challenges we have at positions. We have had zero return on investment on this player.

Will three yard passes make AJ better or our RB's better? Did every OL men we brought it in just forget how to play football or is it that we made a mistake in 2002, and in 2006 with the extension at QB. Kubiak is a genius with QBs, but why did the magic not happen with Carr like it did with Plummer?

The excuses have been mentioned and they have been retreaded. When the season starts and Carr is our QB, I will not be booing when he surely will underperform again, but I will be back here sharing my dissatisfaction regarding a player that means nothing to the city he plays for due to his lack of results.

If Kubiak is a true Houstonian I am sure he will make the right decision as I cannot expect Smith to be as vested in his excursions around town due to his unfamiliarity.

"The power of accurate observation is frequently called cynicism by those who don't have it." - George Bernard Shaw