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Anyone Here Still Think Not Signing Benson Wasn't A Mistake?

TexansFanatic

TexansFanatic

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Suppose Ced could have gotten a yard against the Cards?

Dude leads the league in rushing yards.

1. Cedric Benson CIN 487
2. Adrian Peterson MIN 481
3. Chris Johnson TEN 468
4. Steven Jackson STL 451
5. Ahmad Bradshaw NYG 375
 
He saw an opportunity for more carries in Cincinnati, both teams made offers, he took the bigger workload because it gives him a better chance to showcase for his next contract in 2 years.

Its easy to look back now and call it a mistake.
 
When Benson signed his Bengals deal he was looking at his NEXT contract. Thats why he signed for just 2 years with a team offering a starting job and more carries.
 
TexansFanatic said:
Suppose Ced could have gotten a yard against the Cards?

Dude leads the league in rushing yards.

1. Cedric Benson CIN 487
2. Adrian Peterson MIN 481
3. Chris Johnson TEN 468
4. Steven Jackson STL 451
5. Ahmad Bradshaw NYG 375
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you gonna bring the entire bengal O plus O coaching staff? don't think the problem is the RB. that's way to simple.
 
BattleRedToro said:
If my memory serves me correctly, the Bengals offered him more money that the Texans did.
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That was the second go round between seasons. The Texans could have had him as a street free agent during the season last year. They could have done a relatively low two year contract, non-guaranteed. Teams do that all of the time. There would be no risk if he didn't work out. The Texans had him in, but they didn't like the cut of his jib. Beer drinker you know.

Smithiak would pour millions into Ahman Green who had no future but wouldn't risk a few hundred thousand on Benson, who had a chance at a future. Again, this was before the Bengals pcked him up the first time.
 
m5kwatts said:
When Benson signed his Bengals deal he was looking at his NEXT contract. Thats why he signed for just 2 years with a team offering a starting job and more carries.
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Not sure what that means.

Benson would have come to the Texans for a little more money.

To me, back in March, it was a no-brainer. And now, watching this organization trying to run a dud like Chris Brown up the middle and not getting a yard, it's even more obvious Smithiak screwed the pooch on the deal.
 
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ATXtexanfan said:
you gonna bring the entire bengal O plus O coaching staff? don't think the problem is the RB. that's way to simple.
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Now your point is one I can agree with. The Texans have a bigger problem than just lack of a power running back.

Still, I'm betting Ced could have gotten the yard against the Cards.
 
TexansFanatic said:
Now your point is one I can agree with. The Texans have a bigger problem than just lack of a power running back.

Still, I'm betting Ced could have gotten the yard against the Cards.
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Power running back? It is starting to look like theTexans could use help for Slaton as the full time running back.
 
Runner said:
Do you really think the league's leading rusher wouldn't be a good addition to the team?
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will the little holes open up to lanes just because benson is in the backfield? cassell was a baller in NE last year, not so much in KC this year. see my point? don't think anyone on that list has the same numbers in our O. same benson who bear fans would spit on.
p.s. what happened to randy moss in oakland?
 
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Runner said:
Power running back? It is starting to look like theTexans could use help for Slaton as the full time running back.
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Yep.

And even with the great season Slaton had last year, nobody with any sense thought it was a guarantee he would repeat his success this year.

Benson would have been happy to be back in Texas and he was looking for a little more money.

The Texans have overpaid a hell of a lot worse than Ced. They could have sweetened the pot a little bit.

Dumb move.
 
ATXtexanfan said:
will the little holes open up to lanes just because benson is in the backfield? cassell was a baller in NE last year, not so much in KC this year. see my point? don't think anyone on that list has the same numbers in our O. same benson who bear fans would spit on.
p.s. what happened to randy moss in oakland?
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The Texans O-line has had its issues this season, but Slaton hasn't been hitting the holes he's been given a lot of the time either.
 
I'll wait till Jacquizz Rodgers comes out....hopefully the Texans will see his potential then what UT, A&M, and all other Texas schools ignored to see...ask Cushing, even he had problems with him.
 
Cedric Benson would not have made any difference on that last play. There was nothing there. It was not the running back's fault.
 
TexansFanatic said:
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Yep.

And even with the great season Slaton had last year, nobody with any sense thought it was a guarantee he would repeat his success this year.

Benson would have been happy to be back in Texas and he was looking for a little more money.

The Texans have overpaid a hell of a lot worse than Ced. They could have sweetened the pot a little bit.

Dumb move.
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It wasn't about the money on THIS contract. It was about OPPORTUNITY. He stands to make more money in 2 years when he's a free agent as a starter for these next 2 years getting 20+ carries with the Bengals than here as a backup getting maaaaybbe 10+ carries a game. It wasn't about the few hundred thousand dollar difference between CIN and HOU's offers. It was the 100-200 carries difference over the next 2 years.
 
ATXtexanfan said:
you gonna bring the entire bengal O plus O coaching staff? don't think the problem is the RB. that's way to simple.
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ATXtexanfan said:
will the little holes open up to lanes just because benson is in the backfield? cassell was a baller in NE last year, not so much in KC this year. see my point? don't think anyone on that list has the same numbers in our O. same benson who bear fans would spit on.
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It is impossible to improve the running game without a new o-line and coaching staff? Sounds like the passing game with Carr at QB and Capers coaching.

The Texans are in worse shape than I thought if that is true.
 
m5kwatts said:
It wasn't about the money on THIS contract. It was about OPPORTUNITY. He stands to make more money in 2 years when he's a free agent as a starter for these next 2 years getting 20+ carries with the Bengals than here as a backup getting maaaaybbe 10+ carries a game. It wasn't about the few hundred thousand dollar difference between CIN and HOU's offers. It was the 100-200 carries difference over the next 2 years.
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I disagree. The lure of being close to home AND more money would have landed him.

If Benson had any confidence in his ability, and I'm sure he did and does, he likely would have considered his chances to at least split carries with Slaton to be pretty good.

And now, let's face it, Benson would likely be the starter in Houston.
 
No one couldv'e known Benson would have a breakout season thus far. Most teams look at what a players accomplished in his career up to this point and for Benson it hasn't been much. Now, if he is able to keep up his production for a few years then great for him but IMO, he's just a one hit wonder.
 
m5kwatts said:
It wasn't about the money on THIS contract. It was about OPPORTUNITY.
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That's not my point. Smith and Kubiak absolutley blew it the first time, when they were the only team he was talking to and could have had him at low money and low risk. Had they made the right decision then, they wouldn't have had to bid against the Bengals the second time.

I guess they were confident Green would be off the injured list soon. :rolleyes:

Propping up those old players helped put the Texans into the depth problem they have today. Talking about the second approach to Benson without addressing the first is spin. Obviously Smith and Kubiak realized they made a mistake, since they offered Benson a good deal of money the second time around.
 
Anyone Here Still Think Not Signing Benson Wasn't A Mistake?

- I couldn't fail to disagree less!


Seriously, why don't we try Vonta in short yardage situations?
 
What's the point with this thread?...Kubiak pretty much already said hindsight is 20/20, so even he acknowledged it was a mistake...case closed

Second Benson doesn't play on this team so we shouldn't have a "Cedric Benson" thread in the Texans Talk forum...move it to the NFL forum.

Also if anybody thinks Benson would be having the same success on this team that he's currently enjoying in Cincinatti, they're puffing the magic dragon. The Texans' Oline struggles to open up holes in the running game, Benson would be dodging tacklers in the backfield here. For all we know he would be the same player here that he was in Chicago. I mean think about it......Cincinatti's scheme/personel obviously fits his game, that's why he's no longer a NFL bust and enjoying a break out season.
 
Carr Bombed said:
What's the point with this thread?...Kubiak pretty much already said hindsight is 20/20, so even he acknowledged it was a mistake...case closed

Second Benson doesn't play on this team so we shouldn't have a "Cedric Benson" thread in the Texans Talk forum...move it to the NFL forum.

Also if anybody thinks Benson would be having the same success on this team that he's enjoying in Cincinatti they're puffing the magic dragon. The Texans' Oline struggles to open up holes in the running game, Benson would be dodging tacklers in the backfield. For all we know he would be the same player here that he was in Chicago. I mean think about it......Cincinatti's scheme/personel obviously fits his game, that's why he's no longer a NFL bust.
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Carr Bombed, we agree for once LOL. Its childish to look at league leading rushing stats and say "D'oh! We coulda signed that guy and he'd have those same yards here!"
 
Carr Bombed said:
What's the point with this thread?...Kubiak pretty much already said hindsight is 20/20, so even he acknowledged it was a mistake...case closed

Second Benson doesn't play on this team so we shouldn't have a "Cedric Benson" thread in the Texans Talk forum...move it to the NFL forum.

Also if anybody thinks Benson would be having the same success on this team that he's enjoying in Cincinatti they're puffing the magic dragon. The Texans' Oline struggles to open up holes in the running game, Benson would be dodging tacklers in the backfield. For all we know he would be the same player here that he was in Chicago. I mean think about it......Cincinatti's scheme/personel obviously fits his game, that's why he's no longer a NFL bust.
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This is in this forum because we are discussing Smith's and Kubiak's decision making. I know this is in part risky, since Smith's performance seems like some sort of sacred cow around here.

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Does it bother anyone that people are looking up at Cincinnati's coaching and offensive line and saying "If only......."

They were below us for so long; this slow and steady doesn't seem to be working. Another nail in the coffin of "The Right Way".
 
m5kwatts said:
IT WASN'T ABOUT A FEW BUCKS. IT WAS ABOUT 100-200 CARRIES MORE HE'D BE GETTING IN CINCY OVER THE NEXT 2 YEARS.

Christ dude, read posts before you argue against them.
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Sorry to get you so frustrated, but I could make the same suggestion to you.

Ced would have had the same opportunity here, with Slaton spinning his wheels, to get those extra carries.
 
m5kwatts said:
Carr Bombed, we agree for once LOL. Its childish to look at league leading rushing stats and say "D'oh! We coulda signed that guy and he'd have those same yards here!"
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Childish? Try arguing what I've said, not words you are putting in my mouth.

I say adding the league's leading rusher to the Texans would help them.

You imply we'd need the Bengals o-line and and coaching staff along with Benson to make any difference.

Which makes more sense?
 
Carr Bombed said:
What's the point with this thread?...Kubiak pretty much already said hindsight is 20/20, so even he acknowledged it was a mistake...case closed
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I wasn't looking for an admission from Kubiak. I was looking for an admission from some of the members of this board that they were wrong in saying missing on the Benson signing wasn't a missed opportunity.

I would think it would be easy to say it was a mistake now. Obviously not.
 
m5kwatts said:
The Bengals offer was better.
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Exactly. The Bengals offered more money AND the opportunity for more carries.

We could have offered more money AND the opportunity to be close to home AND the opportunity for more carries if Slaton got injured or if Benson proved to be the better back.

Bottom line: Smith let Benson go without a fight and it was a mistake.

Not sure why that's so difficult to admit.
 
Runner said:
This is in this forum because we are discussing Smith's and Kubiak's decision making. I know this is in part risky, since Smith's performance seems like some sort of sacred cow around here.
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Oh BS Runner. :rolleyes: If you want to dwell on Smith's decisions based on 20/20 hindsight, knock yourself out, but spare the sacred cow ****.
 
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Marcus said:
Oh BS Runner. :rolleyes: If you want to dwell on Smith's decisions based on 20/2o hindsight, knock yourself out, but spare the sacred cow ****.
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Sorry - I made the point at the time too. That's not hindsight.
 
Runner said:
This is in this forum because we are discussing Smith's and Kubiak's decision making. I know this is in part risky, since Smith's performance seems like some sort of scared cow around here.

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Does it bother anyone that people are looking up at Cincinnati's coaching and offensive line and saying "If only......."

They were below us for so long; this slow and steady doesn't seem to be working. Another nail in the coffin of "The Right Way".
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no, the fact we passed him up isn't the issue, I have bigger fish to fry with Smith and he isn't a sacred cow around here either....revisionist history bothers me, you could do this about so many things.

Go ask Cincinnati about Kevin Walter.....I doubt they would've put a 7th round tender on him if they really knew what they had. This stuff happens.

It still belongs in the "NFL forum", I mean should I start a "Anyone here still think drafting Amobi over Willis wasn't a mistake?" ect. A Benson thread is a NFL thread. I mean when Jon Gruden turns out to be a good head coach for whoever hires him, do you want me to start a thread in this forum if we hire someone else instead?
 
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TexansFanatic said:
Exactly. The Bengals offered more money AND the opportunity for more carries.

We could have offered more money AND the opportunity to be close to home AND the opportunity for more carries if Slaton got injured or if Benson proved to be the better back.

Bottom line: Smith let Benson go without a fight and it was a mistake.

Not sure why that's so difficult to admit.
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LMAO, Slaton just put up almost 1300 yards AS A ROOKIE, The Texans where never going to offer him the "opportunity" for more carries than what the Bengals were able to offer..(Benson was already a starter in Cincy)..nor would Benson have expected them to.
 
Carr Bombed said:
LMAO, Slaton just put up almost 1300 yards AS A ROOKIE, The Texans where never going to offer him the "opportunity" for more carries than what the Bengals were able to offer..(Benson was already a starter in Cincy)..nor would Benson have expected them to.
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Read the rest of the quote: "....the opportunity for more carries if Slaton got injured or if Benson proved to be the better back.

You think the Texans might be willing to offer Benson more carries than Slaton now?
 
Carr Bombed said:
no, the fact we past him up isn't the issue, I have bigger fish to fry with Smith and he isn't a sacred cow around here either....revisionist history history bothers me, you could do this about so many things.

Go ask Cincinnati about Kevin Walter.....I doubt they would've put a 7th round tender on him if they really knew what they had. This stuff happens.

It still belongs in the "NFL forum", I mean should I start a "Anyone here still think drafting Amobi over Willis wasn't a mistake?" ect. A Benson thread is a NFL thread.
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Well, it's not revisionist history as far as I'm concerned. The low risk/medium reward opportunity the Texans had with him in October of last year was discussed at the time. I'm usually not a big woulda/coulda/shoulda poster; this one just seemed so obvious at the time.

This team has many issues related to depth, and I think many of them trace back to players such as Green, Bedell, the center from Green Bay (I forget his name) that the Texans kept on well past their primes. Sometimes the risk should be taken with relative youth. We still need a center, a guard, and a running back it seems. When they left, the Texans had nothing to backfill their positions with. I think it is worth discussing, without immediate dismissal as hindsight.

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That "sacred cow" throwaway line seemed to touch a nerve around here. I'm glad to hear you have fish to fry; can you let us fry our fish too? :)
 
TexansFanatic said:
I wasn't looking for an admission from Kubiak. I was looking for an admission from some of the members of this board that they were wrong in saying missing on the Benson signing wasn't a missed opportunity.

I would think it would be easy to say it was a mistake now. Obviously not.
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What?!?

Why the hell would you even care about the "admission" or posters on a message board over the head coach?

"I was looking for an admission from some of the members of this board that they were wrong" :rolleyes:


That sounds like someone who's insecure or something. If the freaking head coached admitted they should have gave him a shot (again after wearing 20/20 glasses) who gives a crap about anybody else has to say.......and this is coming from somebody who wanted Benson over Brown.
 
Carr Bombed said:
What?!?

Why the hell would you even care about the "admission" or posters on a message board over the head coach?

"I was looking for an admission from some of the members of this board that they were wrong" :rolleyes:


That sounds like someone who's insecure or something. If the freaking head coached admitted they should have gave him a shot (again after wearing 20/20 glasses) who gives a crap about anybody else has to say.......and this is coming from somebody who wanted Benson over Brown.
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You caught me. I'm insecure. Sue me.

But really, it's a message board. Is there really a need to get so melodramatic? We're having a discussion here. Why the histrionics? Why is it necessary to tell me what topics I can and cannot discuss. If you don't like this thread, there are others.
 
Sure....my fish starts with going into the season with Chris Myers as the starting center (when he proved last year he was a HUGE liability in short yardage situations, drafting a 2nd round project (and I don't care what anybody has to say about Barwin, he's a project...even if he turns out to be a fantastic player...he's still a project why isn't gong to help us win games this season) when you have MUCH more pressing needs (center and safety come to mind..hmm) and needed a "NFL ready prospect", or how about the fact they feel they can fill the safety positin with a 6th round or later pick every damn year...

There, that should be a good start on the "fish" quota.

I just don't think our running game would be THAT much better with Benson...the offensive line is THAT bad.
 
TexansFanatic said:
Read the rest of the quote: "....the opportunity for more carries if Slaton got injured or if Benson proved to be the better back.

You think the Texans might be willing to offer Benson more carries than Slaton now?
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Yeah....it's just a shame that the Texans couldn't forsee their starting stud rookie falling off a cliff this season.

Again revisionist history......you're really going to fault them for not wanting to give Benson starting RB money when they had arguably the best rookie runner from a year before.....seriously. Gee, I wonder how many fits people would be throwing if Benson returned back to his Bears days, but we were paying him more than our starting RB?
 
Carr Bombed said:
I just don't think our running game would be THAT much better with Benson...the offensive line is THAT bad.
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Yeah - I'm starting to get that with people looking up to Cincy's coaching and talent. Either the Texans or the Bengals have come a long way - in opposite directions.

I'm still holding out hope that the offense's problems are fixable without an injection of five players and three coaches.
 
Carr Bombed said:
Yeah....it's just a shame that the Texans couldn't forsee their starting stud rookie falling off a cliff this season.

Again revisionist history......you're really going to fault them for not wanting to give Benson starting RB money when they had arguably the best rookie runner from a year before.....seriously.
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You keep mentioning the point that Slaton was a rookie, but you're not seeing the obvious downside of that. It's not unusual at all that a rookie performs at a high level and then falls off a cliff. In fact, a number of people were concerned Slaton wouldn't duplicate his rookie effort. Looks like they were right.
 
TexansFanatic said:
You keep mentioning the point that Slaton was a rookie, but you're not seeing the obvious downside of that. It's not unusual at all that a rookie performs at a high level and then falls off a cliff. In fact, a number of people were concerned Slaton wouldn't duplicate his rookie effort. Looks like they were right.
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I had full confidence in Slaton at the time. Still do actually; he's still a high quality back. He's only played twenty games as a pro - there will be ups and downs but I think he'll have a good career here.
 
Runner said:
I had full confidence in Slaton at the time. Still do actually; he's still a high quality back. He's only played twenty games as a pro - there will be ups and downs but I think he'll have a good career here.
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I was happy when the Texans drafted Slaton. I thought he would surprise people. He did.

I also thought the Texans needed a complement to him. Cedric would have been perfect for that. Paying more than the Bengals still woudn't have broken the bank.
 
TexansFanatic said:
You keep mentioning the point that Slaton was a rookie, but you're not seeing the obvious downside of that. It's not unusual at all that a rookie performs at a high level and then falls off a cliff. In fact, a number of people were concerned Slaton wouldn't duplicate his rookie effort. Looks like they were right.
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So according to you, Houston made the mistake of not forseeing the dropoff of a 1200+ yard rookie (one of the easiest transitional positions in the NFL), but they were supposed to forsee the emergence of a running back who was a 1st round bust and never had anything close to the production of that 1200+ yard rookie.........okay, that makes sense.

BTW, I lead the "Slaton is going to have a subpar season" bandwagon (or whatever you want to call it), but what you typed still doesn't make sense. Benson was never going to be signed to be anything more than a backup RB here.
 
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