CBS Sportsline article on Texans Draft needs

[jaayteetx]

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/story/11543464

The thing that caught my eye was the diss on Walter, I think he is a fine #2 WR myself.

 

[Carr Bombed]

I would love to see the number of #2 receivers that put up Walter's #s the last two seasons...

 

[Polo]

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/story/11543464

The thing that caught my eye was the diss on Walter, I think he is a fine #2 WR myself.

I don't think he was dissing Walter..

I think adding a big-play receiver to go with Johnson would be tempting.

I agree with him. If Michael Crabtree or even Maclin were sitting in our laps it'd be pretty tempting to add another potential big play reciever. I like Walter too and if we're gonna look for possible stud recievers I'd rather it be later in the draft after some major defensive concerns have been adressed.

Also, I agree with him that DB is our biggest need.

 

[Texecutioner]

Walter doesn't get his props as a good #2 WR because......

1. He is a Texan.

2. We haven't made the playoffs.

3. He is white.

Not many people knew much about Welker when he was a dolphin either.

 

[Polo]

3. He is white.

That is ironic and funny on so many levels.

 

[Mr teX]

Walter doesn't get his props as a good #2 WR because......

1. He is a Texan.

2. We haven't made the playoffs.

3. He is white.

Not many people knew much about Welker when he was a dolphin either.

No... just the 1st 2 & b/c he's not a flashy burner type. He's just plain.....effective, but plain.

 

[WolverineFan]

No... just the 1st 2 & b/c he's not a flashy burner type. He's just plain.....effective, but plain.

Exactly. In a use of ESPN's favorite and extremely overused word, he's not a "sexy" WR. He does the tough stuff, but doesn't catch the 50 yd TD's or run all around the field. He's an effective WR, but he isn't the "playmaker" that all these analyst types fall in love with.

 

[Honoring Earl 34]

That is ironic and funny on so many levels.

No kidding ... Walter is to vanilla .

 

[Carr Bombed]

No... just the 1st 2 & b/c he's not a flashy burner type. He's just plain.....effective, but plain.

I don't know too many "plain" #2 receivers who put up 900 receiving yards at 15 yards a catch and 8 TDs last season.

The guy is "underrated".....not "plain". I have no problem with him lining up opposite Andre. He's also a complete WR, because he's one of the best run blockers on the team.

 

[Carr Bombed]

He does the tough stuff, but doesn't catch the 50 yd TD's or run all around the field. He's an effective WR, but he isn't the "playmaker" that all these analyst types fall in love with.

The guy had the exact same number of 40+ yard catches as Andre Johnson and just one less than Larry Fitzgerald last season....and he also had a higher YPC average than both of them. The guy just gets open down field. He's got 1700 receiving yards and 12 TDs since he was named the starter at the #2 position two seasons ago, which puts him right at the top at that position.

 

[El Tejano]

3. He is white.

Not many people knew much about Welker when he was a dolphin either.

My dad used to say that if a white dude can play WR he must be fast, tough, or have great hands so he should always have a spot on the team. Walter is all 3. I seriously doubt that is why he doesn't get much props.

I think it has more to do with the fact he doesn't score TO type TDs and he's a team first guy that is quiet about his productive work.

As for Welker...Many Longhorn fans knew about that guy.

 

[El Tejano]

Exactly. , but doesn't catch the 50 yd TD's or run all around the field.

He's an effective WR, but he isn't the "playmaker" that all these analyst types fall in love with.

He had one against Green Bay and one against Baltimore. Your second sentence is what I love about Walter. Other teams think the same thing and they soon find out that he's quite the play maker.

 

[Carr Bombed]

He had one against Green Bay and one against Baltimore. Your second sentence is what I love about Walter. Other teams think the same thing and they soon find out that he's quite the play maker.

enjoy one of my favorite youtube videos...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=71e1WmV9UzI&fmt=18

Sorry, peeps......Walter has his position locked down and isn't going anywhere...he's one of the best at his position. EXTREMELY UNDERRATED.

The "great white hope" runs wild in opposing team's nightmares. LOL.

The Bengals had a great WR core that the didn't even know about. Walter is the best pick up this team has ever made.

 

[badboy]

Shh! repeat after me Walter is slow and can't catch the ball. Walter is.. probably not under rated by opposing DBs.

 

[J. Sean Wonton]

Walter is a good #2, and WR is low our list of needs. He's not well known because he is the #2 WR for the Texans. It's not because he's white. What's his face that played #3 WR for the Colts a few years back was all over the media, and he was white and a #3 WR. The difference is that he played for the Colts, and they were winning a lot.

 

[Hardcore Texan]

enjoy one of my favorite youtube videos...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=71e1WmV9UzI&fmt=18

Sorry, peeps......Walter has his position locked down and isn't going anywhere...he's one of the best at his position. EXTREMELY UNDERRATED.

The "great white hope" runs wild in opposing team's nightmares. LOL.

The Bengals had a great WR core that the didn't even know about. Walter is the best pick up this team has ever made.

Great video....must spread rep....yada, yada.

That video showcases the skills the KW brings to the table. He is a very solid number 2 and very underrated, the production speaks for itself.

 

[WolverineFan]

Walter is a good #2, and WR is low our list of needs. He's not well known because he is the #2 WR for the Texans. It's not because he's white. What's his face that played #3 WR for the Colts a few years back was all over the media, and he was white and a #3 WR. The difference is that he played for the Colts, and they were winning a lot.

Stokley. To bad he got cut and disappeared. I think he's on the Broncos now.

 

[WolverineFan]

Great video....must spread rep....yada, yada.

That video showcases the skills the KW brings to the table. He is a very solid number 2 and very underrated, the production speaks for itself.

I think he's a fantastic #2 WR and I'm insulted that all these "analysts" think we need an upgrade over him. He brings everything to the table that you would want out of a #2 WR.

 

[Carr Bombed]

Walter is a good #2, and WR is low our list of needs. He's not well known because he is the #2 WR for the Texans. It's not because he's white. What's his face that played #3 WR for the Colts a few years back was all over the media, and he was white and a #3 WR. The difference is that he played for the Colts, and they were winning a lot.

Brandon Stokley....totally forgot about that guy, man that offense was dangerous with him. (I used to hate that guy...I totally forgot about him) He was Welker, before Welker. He played the year Peyton broke the TD record and then Brady got Welker and broke Peyton's TD record, so go figure. Both were awesome slot receivers, hopefully David Anderson can grow into that kinda receiver. (Stokley and Welker)

 

[El Tejano]

I agree with him about the TE depth though. I'm hoping we can get a good TE in this draft.

 

[BigBull17]

#2 Wr's Rec Yds Avg av/g Lng TD 20+ 40+ 1st 1st%
Wes Welker 111 1,165 10.5 72.8 64 3 13 1 57 51.4

Anquan Boldin 89 1,038 11.7 86.5 79 11 10 3 56 62.9

Kevin Walter 60 899 15.0 56.2 61 8 15 4 39 65.0

What wouldnt you like out of having the 3rd best #2 WR? His stats are comprable. Those are the only #2's with better production, and Welker only had 3 td's. He just doesnt know the name, so obviously he sucks.

I don't think he was dissing Walter..



I agree with him. If Michael Crabtree or even Maclin were sitting in our laps it'd be pretty tempting to add another potential big play reciever. I like Walter too and if we're gonna look for possible stud recievers I'd rather it be later in the draft after some major defensive concerns have been adressed.

Also, I agree with him that DB is our biggest need.

Maclin maybe, but I dont see Crabtree as an explosive WR. I'll get in a pissing contest with anyone that Walter is a better #2 then those two. A guy in the later rounds to stretch the field and return kicks, maybe, but we have 2 VERY solid guys.

 

[Polo]

#2 Wr's Rec Yds Avg av/g Lng TD 20+ 40+ 1st 1st%
Wes Welker 111 1,165 10.5 72.8 64 3 13 1 57 51.4

Anquan Boldin 89 1,038 11.7 86.5 79 11 10 3 56 62.9

Kevin Walter 60 899 15.0 56.2 61 8 15 4 39 65.0

What wouldnt you like out of having the 3rd best #2 WR? His stats are comprable. Those are the only #2's with better production, and Welker only had 3 td's. He just doesnt know the name, so obviously he sucks.





Maclin maybe, but I dont see Crabtree as an explosive WR. I'll get in a pissing contest with anyone that Walter is a better #2 then those two. A guy in the later rounds to stretch the field and return kicks, maybe, but we have 2 VERY solid guys.

I'm with you. I'd rather have Walter than either of those guys, but just speaking in general terms, it's very tempting to wanna put another explosive reciever on the field with Andre...Doesn't even have to be a starter..Doesn't have to be one of those guys.... But I wouldn't mind having Maclin or Crabtree as a #3/ins. policy at all....

That's where I agree with him at. It's very tempting to wanna grab another explosive reciever and put them on the field with AJ...But I also agree with you in that Kevin Walter is a very good player and a really good fit for what we do on offense...

 

[TexansFanatic]

enjoy one of my favorite youtube videos...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=71e1WmV9UzI&fmt=18

Sorry, peeps......Walter has his position locked down and isn't going anywhere...he's one of the best at his position. EXTREMELY UNDERRATED.

The "great white hope" runs wild in opposing team's nightmares. LOL.

The Bengals had a great WR core that the didn't even know about. Walter is the best pick up this team has ever made.

Thanks for posting that. I really haven't given him enough credit myself.

 

[BigBull17]

I'm with you. I'd rather have Walter than either of those guys, but just speaking in general terms, it's very tempting to wanna put another explosive reciever on the field with Andre...Doesn't even have to be a starter..Doesn't have to be one of those guys.... But I wouldn't mind having Maclin or Crabtree as a #3/ins. policy at all....

That's where I agree with him at. It's very tempting to wanna grab another explosive reciever and put them on the field with AJ...But I also agree with you in that Kevin Walter is a very good player and a really good fit for what we do on offense...

As I said, a 4.3 guy in the 4th or so, hell yeah. Make em fear the speed and give AJ less attention. However, Walter is so much more than just a WR. Hard to justify taking reps from him. You have good points, and if we traded down to get another 2nd and Maclin happens to be there, do it.

 

[HoustonFrog]

I'm with you. I'd rather have Walter than either of those guys, but just speaking in general terms, it's very tempting to wanna put another explosive reciever on the field with Andre...Doesn't even have to be a starter..Doesn't have to be one of those guys.... But I wouldn't mind having Maclin or Crabtree as a #3/ins. policy at all....

That's where I agree with him at. It's very tempting to wanna grab another explosive reciever and put them on the field with AJ...But I also agree with you in that Kevin Walter is a very good player and a really good fit for what we do on offense...

So let me get this straight. Walter is so good now that he makes Crabtree a 3rd receiver?Really?

 

[Polo]

So let me get this straight. Walter is so good now that he makes Crabtree a 3rd receiver?Really?

Let me get this straight, In a completely hypothetical world where we drafted Crabtree, you bring him in here and start him opposite AJ from day one over Kevin?

 

[HoustonFrog]

Let me get this straight, In a completely hypothetical world where we drafted Crabtree, you bring him in here and start him opposite AJ from day one over Kevin?

I look at #2 receivers and #3 receivers really as 2a and 2b at times because of 3 WR sets. But in your case, yes I do. The guy caught 231 passes for 3,127 yards and 41 TDs in 2 years. Yes, it was a system but the guy makes plays...see UT game. To me it is like having the old Chad Johnson and TJ Houshmanzadah(sp?). Walters would still get alot of touches and is still your basic Welker or underneath guy that can break it open. To me they are both on the field just as much despite the #2 or #3 moniker.

 

[Big Lou]

No kidding ... Walter is to vanilla .

Damn you beat me to it. I wanted to be the first with the Vanilla joke!!!!!!

 

[BigBull17]

So let me get this straight. Walter is so good now that he makes Crabtree a 3rd receiver?Really?

Absolutly. Walter is a better NFL reciever right now than Crabtree. Maybe in a year or two he won't be, but with the draft being a crap shoot Crabtree could be a bust. How could any of these rookie WR's come in and be handed the job over the very dependable Walter? They can't.

 

[thunderkyss]

#2 Wr's Rec Yds Avg av/g Lng TD 20+ 40+ 1st 1st%
Wes Welker 111 1,165 10.5 72.8 64 3 13 1 57 51.4

Anquan Boldin 89 1,038 11.7 86.5 79 11 10 3 56 62.9

Kevin Walter 60 899 15.0 56.2 61 8 15 4 39 65.0

What wouldnt you like out of having the 3rd best #2 WR? His stats are comprable. Those are the only #2's with better production, and Welker only had 3 td's. He just doesnt know the name, so obviously he sucks.





Maclin maybe, but I dont see Crabtree as an explosive WR. I'll get in a pissing contest with anyone that Walter is a better #2 then those two. A guy in the later rounds to stretch the field and return kicks, maybe, but we have 2 VERY solid guys.

I don't know how good this argument is. those guys got him beat by 200/300 yards. The fact that he is #3 on that list, just means the NFL is short on quality #2 WRs.

But, I do agree Walter is a stud, and the world just don't know it yet.

I watched that youtube video, and I just love the way he gives the crowd the, "shhhh" thing. It's like, "they don't know about me yet, and I like it like that."

 

[infantrycak]

As I said, a 4.3 guy in the 4th or so, hell yeah. Make em fear the speed and give AJ less attention.

We have that guy under contract already--Andre Davis.

 

[BigBull17]

I don't know how good this argument is. those guys got him beat by 200/300 yards. The fact that he is #3 on that list, just means the NFL is short on quality #2 WRs.

But, I do agree Walter is a stud, and the world just don't know it yet.

I watched that youtube video, and I just love the way he gives the crowd the, "shhhh" thing. It's like, "they don't know about me yet, and I like it like that."

Yeah, and he has 2 TD's less then Boldin and 5 more than Welker. And his yards per catch are pretty good, as well as his % of 1st down receptions. Yards arent everything, but he is still strong.

We have that guy under contract already--Andre Davis.

Not alot of faith in AD. He fell off the face of the world last year.

 

[ChampionTexan]

#2 Wr's Rec Yds Avg av/g Lng TD 20+ 40+ 1st 1st%
Wes Welker 111 1,165 10.5 72.8 64 3 13 1 57 51.4

Anquan Boldin 89 1,038 11.7 86.5 79 11 10 3 56 62.9

Kevin Walter 60 899 15.0 56.2 61 8 15 4 39 65.0

What wouldnt you like out of having the 3rd best #2 WR? His stats are comprable. Those are the only #2's with better production, and Welker only had 3 td's. He just doesnt know the name, so obviously he sucks.

Not attempting to disagree with the general consensus on Walter (I like him alot), but I'm not sure exactly how you define productivity.

Eddie Royal had more catches and more yardage than Walter, as the #2 guy in Denver. Not as many TD's as Walter, but that's why I ask about the definition of productivity. Also, you could argue that as the #2 guy to Tony Gonzalez, Dwayne Bowe is ahead of Walter's productivity with 86 catches for just over 1,000 yards. Shoot, you could even say that Owen Daniels is the #2 receiver on the Texans based on productivity (and then start comparing Walters to #3 receivers). Finally, you have situations like the Jets with Cotchery and Coles, and Green Bay with Jennings and Driver where the #1 receiver is clearly not as good as AJ, but that doesn't keep the #2 guy from being more productive (again - subject to definition) than Walter. My point is even if you agree to objectively define the rankings of the #2 guy by statistics, it's still a topic that's subject to discussion.

Overall, this is a little bit like the discussion of the OL. Should we be happy with our receiver situation? My answer would be definitely! Should we be putting this unit at or near the top of our team strengths? Again, I believe without a doubt we should, and therefore, we likely won't be seeing much in the way of resources added to this unit over the course of this offseason.

Everything, including our receiver situation, is capable of being improved. It's just that some things, including our receiver situation (IMO), are good enough not to warrant putting much in the way of finite resources towards improving.

 

[imatexan]

Decent article.

But we are wayyy more set at WR than at QB, I mean I like Schaub but he still has not proven himself to be a great QB and the Dan guy is still a huge question.

Other than that mostly agree.

 

[TexansSeminole]

The guy didn't do too bad on the article as a whole.

What it is about Walter is that when you look at him on paper and he is not real appealing, but when you get out on the field he makes plays over and over.

I think safety is our biggest need so I agree about DB being our biggest need. I'd also like to see us add a balanced TE to the roster.

 

[El Tejano]

I look at #2 receivers and #3 receivers really as 2a and 2b at times because of 3 WR sets. But in your case, yes I do. The guy caught 231 passes for 3,127 yards and 41 TDs in 2 years. Yes, it was a system but the guy makes plays...see UT game. To me it is like having the old Chad Johnson and TJ Houshmanzadah(sp?). Walters would still get alot of touches and is still your basic Welker or underneath guy that can break it open. To me they are both on the field just as much despite the #2 or #3 moniker.

And as it stands right now, this offense is only an Andre Johnson injury from being a 6 win team. It'd be nice to know that if he goes down, we still got really good talent to win games. I know AD and KW did a good job before but after those two you only have David Anderson and Jacoby.

 

[TheRealJoker]

I don't know how good this argument is. those guys got him beat by 200/300 yards. The fact that he is #3 on that list, just means the NFL is short on quality #2 WRs.

But, I do agree Walter is a stud, and the world just don't know it yet.

I watched that youtube video, and I just love the way he gives the crowd the, "shhhh" thing. It's like, "they don't know about me yet, and I like it like that."

The two guys ahead of him weren't fighting with OD and Slaton for touches after the QB looked off AJ.

 

[HoustonFrog]

And as it stands right now, this offense is only an Andre Johnson injury from being a 6 win team. It'd be nice to know that if he goes down, we still got really good talent to win games. I know AD and KW did a good job before but after those two you only have David Anderson and Jacoby.

I agree. I'm not saying you need WR or that KW isn't good. He is a guy I like alot. But to just say he is better than Crabtree and to say Crabtree would be a #3 here didn't make sense to me. You have to get a guy in a camp, etc and see how it works out. Any rookie could be a bust but there is a reason why guy are also highly drafted...how they produced in college.

Absolutly. Walter is a better NFL reciever right now than Crabtree. Maybe in a year or two he won't be, but with the draft being a crap shoot Crabtree could be a bust. How could any of these rookie WR's come in and be handed the job over the very dependable Walter? They can't.

You can't make that statement and then follow it with "could be a bust." He also could be the second coming of Randy Moss, talent wise only..lol. I'm just saying, KW has done well but to make such broad statements doesn't make sense to me after the guys college production. Plus, like I said, most #2s these days are really 2a and 2b with the 3rd guy.

 

[Polo]

There's no way I'd I'd start crabtree over Kevin even if he was given to us. He'd make a really good 2b though.

It really has very little to do with Crabtree and moreso what Walter brings to the offense.

Crabtree put up a lot yards in a ridiculously pass happy offense. Timmy Chan ? This guys college production led to him setting records.

Not saying talent wise he's comparable, but don't be surprised if Crabtree isn't as dominant as he was in college..

 

[Goatcheese]

enjoy one of my favorite youtube videos...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=71e1WmV9UzI&fmt=18

Sorry, peeps......Walter has his position locked down and isn't going anywhere...he's one of the best at his position. EXTREMELY UNDERRATED.

The "great white hope" runs wild in opposing team's nightmares. LOL.

The Bengals had a great WR core that the didn't even know about. Walter is the best pick up this team has ever made.

I like how Walter is so slow that he outruns Ed Reed, and Fabian Washington.

 

[Spled]

They're right about one thing, we need to upgrade the secondary in the first or second round.

 

[WolverineFan]

CBS did an article on the Texans draft needs today and now on their NFL page they have a poll posted on what postion the Texans need to address most in the draft and the results are suprising to say the least. At least for those of us that follow the Texans.

So far the poll looks like this:

35% Offensive Line
18% CB
18% LB
13% Safety
11% Defensive Line
5% WR

The problem with polls like this is only about 10% of the people who vote actually follow that team or have an idea of their draft needs. Once again I am taken aback at how many people are still living under the illusion that offensive line is our biggest problem and that we are still giving up 50+ sacks a year. It would seem that the casual NFL fan has not watched nor even followed the Texans in the last 2-3 years.

 

[Texan4Ever]

CBS did an article on the Texans draft needs today and now on their NFL page they have a poll posted on what postion the Texans need to address most in the draft and the results are suprising to say the least. At least for those of us that follow the Texans.

So far the poll looks like this:

35% Offensive Line
18% CB
18% LB
13% Safety
11% Defensive Line
5% WR

The problem with polls like this is only about 10% of the people who vote actually follow that team or have an idea of their draft needs. Once again I am taken aback at how many people are still living under the illusion that offensive line is our biggest problem and that we are still giving up 50+ sacks a year. It would seem that the casual NFL fan has not watched nor even followed the Texans in the last 2-3 years.

Maybe they were thinking offensive guard??? Any Texans fan who watches the team would probably go with OLB.

 

[WolverineFan]

Maybe they were thinking offensive guard??? Any Texans fan who watches the team would probably go with OLB.

Any Texans fan with a vote would take any defensive postion over offensive line I would think.

 

[HouSportsWriter]

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/story/11543464


Texans needs: Only a few defensive upgrades away




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March 24, 2009

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By Pete Prisco


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CBSSports.com Senior Writer


relly good pictures and draft need section must give a look

post what you think

 

[superdave532]

Already posted in the draft section of this forum - good article painting the texans in a decent light, but still same old stuff people keep saying over and over in this dry period lol.

 

[Ckw]

Yeah good article. Only three things I disagree with.

1. I don't believe we need to change anything at WR. Kevin Walter is one of the better #2 WRs in the NFL IMO. The guy is not the fastest or most athletic guy on the field, but he knows how to get open and has great hands. Also, Andre Davis and David Anderson provide good depth. We could use a better slot receiver, but I really believe this is one of the strongest areas of our team.

2. I also believe we are pretty well set at TE. The combo of Dreesen and OD is very good IMO.

3. I don't believe we are as bad at the #2 corner spot as this guy believes. Could we use an upgrade? Maybe, but I think everyone has all too quickly forgotten just how good Fred Bennett looked in his rookie season. He really looked like a CB of the future but was disappointing last season. I expect to see him step back up and be a good # CB. If he does not, Reeves is serviceable, especially if we are getting more pressure up front.

Overall, a good article. Thanks for posting.

 

[Ole Miss Texan]

Any Texans fan with a vote would take any defensive postion over offensive line I would think.

Yea but how do you narrow it down to only one position!!! :pulls hair:

 

[thunderkyss]

Not alot of faith in AD. He fell off the face of the world last year.

How many times did you see AJ & AD on the field at the same time?

I think that was a coaching/strategical blunder.

 

[Ckw]

My dad used to say that if a white dude can play WR he must be fast, tough, or have great hands so he should always have a spot on the team. Walter is all 3. I seriously doubt that is why he doesn't get much props.

I think it has more to do with the fact he doesn't score TO type TDs and he's a team first guy that is quiet about his productive work.

As for Welker...Many Longhorn fans knew about that guy.

Honestly, I have to side with Tex on this one. I really do believe most sportswriters as well as fans don't believe that a white wide receiver will get the job done. I posted an article a while back about how most white WRs and RBs are converted to other, non-skill positions. Is it racism? I don't think so. I just think there have been numerous extremely athletic black men that have dominated the position thus creating the perception that blacks make better receivers. The same thing can be said about whites at the QB position.

As for Welker, I doubt he would get anywhere near as much publicity if he were not a Patriot and didn't have Tom Brady throwing to him.

Oh and mods, what happened to the other thread that referenced this same CBS Sports article? I made a post in there and you guys haven't combined the threads but the other thread is nowhere to be found.