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HOU-TEX said:
I think there are 3 times given in the 40. If you notice there are 2 beeps towards the first half of the 40 and one at the finish. I think they are pulling times at the beginning of the 40 as well.

I could be wrong, but why else would they have the other 2 sensors in place? :thinking:
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The 2 sensors set up during the 40-yd dash are to measure the 10-yd dash and 20-yd dash. It's to time the explosiveness (10-yd) and acceleration (20-yd) of the runners. That way they only have to run 1 drill instead of 3.
 
Polo said:
Where do you guys think Ian Johnson will go...

I'm hoping the Texans pick him up....

He seems to have performed well in all of the drills...
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It looks like he's healthy again. He had a fine combine.

So y'all,.... do you think there's enough good backs in the pile that we can wait until the second pick on the second day to scratch that itch ? Through Steve a kiss and tell him he's our guy ?
 
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threetoedpete said:
It looks like he's healthy again. He had a fine combine.

So y'all do you think there's enough good backs in the pile that we can wait until the second pick on the second day to scratch that itch ? Through Steve a kiss and tell him he's our guy ?
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I like Andre Brown a lot but I think that after his combine somebody is gonna get a happy trigger finger and snap him up in the late second.

I would like him in the third if he is there.
 
Hoth-Boy said:
According to the above, Cushing just put 225 up 30 times.
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Follwed that up by running a 4.64 unoffically.

Matthews ran a 4.59, also unoffical.

Offically, Cushing ran a 4.74, and Matthews a 4.67.

Who the hell is Connor Barwin?

Ran a 4.64 40, a 40.5 inch vertical, 10' 8" broad jump, 6.87 3-cone, and a 4.18 20 yard shuttle.

Top performer in all of those drilss except the 40, where he was 2nd fastest.

Workout warrior or legit? He's 6' 4" and 256 lbs.

He appatently moved to DE as a senior after 3 years as a TE.
 
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Hoth-Boy said:
Follwed that up by running a 4.64 unoffically.

Matthews ran a 4.59, also unoffical.

Offically, Cushing ran a 4.74, and Matthews a 4.67.

Who the hell is Connor Barwin?

Ran a 4.64 40, a 40.5 inch vertical, 10' 8" broad jump, 6.87 3-cone, and a 4.18 20 yard shuttle.

Top performer in all of those drilss except the 40, where he was 2nd fastest.

Workout warrior or legit? He's 6' 4" and 256 lbs.

He appatently moved to DE as a senior after 3 years as a TE.
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DE from Cincinnati. He was looking like a third round prospect. Probably not anymore.
 
bah007 said:
DE from Cincinnati. He was looking like a third round prospect. Probably not anymore.
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He was a TE starting out....they asked him to switch to DE. He dominated his conference at the position with virtually no technique. They were talking today that he's best position will be line backer on the next level. What you know for a fact about the guy is he's a team player....he doesn't care where he's at he just wants to play and contribute. And fits exactly what Urlacker was when he came out of New Mexico. With no training he dominated. Not a huge jump to believe that with pro coaching he could be great. Like pro bowl great. I look at him as a huge lump of clay waiting to molded into a great player in the NFL.
 
TexansSeminole said:
Why do they only show top performers? What if I want to see the other people who did the bench press?
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Not sure... I was curious to see how Tech's Graham Harrel did with the QB's, but he doesn't show up on anything other than being invited to the combine. And some people had such high hopes for the kid.....
 
4Texans said:
Not sure... I was curious to see how Tech's Graham Harrel did with the QB's, but he doesn't show up on anything other than being invited to the combine. And some people had such high hopes for the kid.....
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If they don't have a section for just workout numbers, and not "top performers" than they are doing a terrible job covering this thing.

I don't care to hear Warren Sapp talk about what he did at the combine and such. I want to see numbers.

That's what the combine is about, numbers. Not let's see if we can find our next analyst, or see how good the ones we already have are. Mayock and Davis are cool because they cover college football and are known for being good at identifying players, but Sapp and Faulk? Give me a break with the analysts.
 
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Maybe after the combines over, they'll post numbers for all the players..... Have to wait and see, or maybe someone has a link to another site. Just seems like NFL.com would have them somewhere. It's their event.
 
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4Texans said:
Maybe after the combines over, they'll post numbers for all the players..... Have to wait and see, or maybe someonw has a link to another site. Just seems like NFL.com would have them somewhere. It's their event.
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Exactly and if they do have it where are they hiding it? It shouldn't take me 30 minutes to look for it and still not find it.
 
Hoth-Boy said:
Who the hell is Connor Barwin?

Ran a 4.64 40, a 40.5 inch vertical, 10' 8" broad jump, 6.87 3-cone, and a 4.18 20 yard shuttle.

Top performer in all of those drilss except the 40, where he was 2nd fastest.

Workout warrior or legit? He's 6' 4" and 256 lbs.

He appatently moved to DE as a senior after 3 years as a TE.
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Barwin is a guy I've had my eye on as our second rounder if we don't go DE in FA, or the 1st.

49 tackles, 27 solo, 22 assisted, 13 TFL, 3 Assisted TFL, 10 sacks, 2 sack assists

His numbers are alittle inflated because of competition. After the combine I could see some 3-4 team reach on him in the first.

The combine usually doesn't affect my player grades alot, and I still see him as a mid 2nd rounder. He's a good, but not elite prospect. I don't think he plays up to his workout numbers.
 
The Pencil Neck said:
Yeah... he ran well.

And then Mayock basically fried him. Said he'd have all the measurables but when you look at the tape, it's not so good. He's a guy that tests well but doesn't play well. He was pretty brutal about it.
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Mayock compared him to Vernon Gholston. Not nice.
 
The Pencil Neck said:
Yeah... he ran well.

And then Mayock basically fried him. Said he'd have all the measurables but when you look at the tape, it's not so good. He's a guy that tests well but doesn't play well. He was pretty brutal about it.
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Which is basically what I've been trying to say for a while now. The Texans may still do it. I dunno.
 
johnson showed up as advertised.....killed all the drills and ran in the 4.6 range 40


real athlete....I would not be disappointed with him thats for sure....the kid has that it factor............coached up he will do well IMHO

they said the same things about mario coming our......low motor......dominates in spurts.......yada yada yada

micheal johnson is a freak and one of the only prototypical 4-3 ends in the entire draft....hes not a hybrid like maybin, brown, orapko

6-7 260 chiseled like a greek god//////
 
threetoedpete said:
So y'all,.... do you think there's enough good backs in the pile that we can wait until the second pick on the second day to scratch that itch ? Through Steve a kiss and tell him he's our guy ?
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4th round RB? I don't know - who did you have in mind? Personally, I'd love to see them take Coffee in the 3rd, but I'm not sure he makes it to 3.15. He would be a perfect complement to Slaton, IMO.
 
If possible I would like
rd.1 M. Johnson I believe he needs a good weight program & to be coached up
rd.2 C.Barwin My 1st two picks are the most gifted athelets (Defensive) in the draft.

Imagine if we signed Fat Albert in FA our front 7 would look like this

MW, Fat Albert, AO, M. Johnson

C. Barwin, DR, Adibi

That's a fast big atheletic front 7. We could use the rest of the draft to fill in the rest of the holes @ S, C, G, CB & RB with 2 4th rd picks we could get one of the great S & C that fell & draft a G. Johnson in the 5th.
 
I wonder if G. Johnson would make for a good fullback...I was in awe when I saw him at the combine. Not a good 40..but those tree trunks for legs...I could see McSmithiak looking at him late if he's still there...he could be our #2FB and our #3 RB. Yes I'm saying grab 2 RB's in this draft.:texflag:
 
threetoedpete said:
Which is basically what I've been trying to say for a while now. The Texans may still do it. I dunno.
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What would Joel Buschbaum say about him ... anyone ?

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John Gruden was ALL about Michael Johnson today on NFL Network...He's a 4-3 guy and not a hybrid/tweener...MJ will go in the 1st round. Look for the 4-3 teams to target this guy.:brando:
 
Everyone knew MJ would show up for the Combine as one of the most impressive athletes. He has always been the most athletic.

I take it with a grain of salt. All the questions I have had about the guy couldn't possibly be answered by observing the Combine. I'm sure coaches put an extra emphasis on the interviewing process when evaluating MJ, I know I would.

I still like Everette Brown at #15 over Maybin and Johnson, if we are talking about taking a DE.
 
http://www.nfl.com/combine/story?id=09000d5d80edca0f&template=without-video-with-comments&confirm=true

Haven't seen this on here yet... an article on Cushing

"I don’t understand where it is coming from," Cushing told me. "I was tested last December at USC and passed, one of several tests I have passed.
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An NFL general manager, requesting anonymity, said: "We’ve been warned it is an issue and might have been one since high school. We are considering that. As unpleasant as it is, this is an issue with this player that only a negative test here is going to clear up right now. It’s unfortunate, because no one wants to kill the kid, but the issue is a reality."
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I was kind of surprised by Michael Johnson's performance at the combine. He ran slower than I expect (slow surface? Official times are almost all lower than expected), but he did throw up 28 bench reps. You don't do that without a good work ethic, and dedication to training. With his height, and arm length I'd say his 28 was more impressive than Rak's 31. His 4.37 shuttle is the same as Mario ran, all be it 30 lbs lighter.

I wonder if some of the problems he had were a result of coaching asking him to play a certain way. Read & react, wait & see, type of defense. That was something we ran into during the Mario scouting process. He was being asked to play the run first, instead of being agressive, and it kept him from really shining.

It's looking more, and more like MJ could be the best value available at 15.
 
Hoth-Boy said:
Profootballtalk is reporting that Jenkins ran a 4.52 and a 4.58 at the combine this morning.

http://www.profootballtalk.com/2009/02/24/jenkins-could-be-sliding/
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I have a hard time seeing him fall too far. I'd love it for him to fall to #15 though. Could probably start at one of the CB spots. Then if we lose Dunta, we're still set with 3-4 good CBs. Jenkins also has a possibility of playing Safety- thoughts? I'd be all over this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e0mYw3uoIE8
 
Hoth-Boy said:
Profootballtalk is reporting that Jenkins ran a 4.52 and a 4.58 at the combine this morning.

http://www.profootballtalk.com/2009/02/24/jenkins-could-be-sliding/
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I can't wait to see the flood of NFL 'experts' start saying he's probably going to be forced to play FS at the pro level, all over .07 seconds. The irony is, that the people who freak out over this are probably the same ones who were calling him "The prototype corner" a week ago.

I guess some people just lose their minds over 40 times.
 
Goatcheese said:
I can't wait to see the flood of NFL 'experts' start saying he's probably going to be forced to play FS at the pro level, all over .07 seconds. The irony is, that the people who freak out over this are probably the same ones who were calling him "The prototype corner" a week ago.

I guess some people just lose their minds over 40 times.
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From what I understand, alot of teams were looking at him at FS prior to his arrival to the Combine.
 
LZ has said that scouts that have been watching tape on Jenkins and have begun to target him as a FS convert. The slow(er than expected) 40 will only reinforce this.

That is good news for us as it will have him fall some - maybe even to us.
 
If speed was all that mattered for CB's then Phillip Buchanan wouldn't get burned deep every other play.

It's all about technique and instinct. Jenkins has both.
 
Jenkins would make a nice Free Saftey I'm watchin NFL Network now and he ran a 4.55 40 that a good time for a saftey Mike Mayock said he has the size to become one...
 
bah007 said:
If speed was all that mattered for CB's then Phillip Buchanan wouldn't get burned deep every other play.

It's all about technique and instinct. Jenkins has both.
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Speed isn't the be all end all, but when you have a 4.3 receiver up against a 4.6 defender on a go route you end up with Petey Faggins vs. Lee Evans all over again
 
gtexan02 said:
Speed isn't the be all end all, but when you have a 4.3 receiver up against a 4.6 defender on a go route you end up with Petey Faggins vs. Lee Evans all over again
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That's not always true.

A good CB can read the route and get his hips turned quickly so he has a lead on the WR. Faggins could run a 4.2 and he would still get beat deep.

In high school, my brother was a 5-6 CB who ran the 40 in 4.65 but he covered Dez Bryant a whole game without giving up a completion. They must have thrown deep on him at least six times.

How come Dez couldn't get by him with that 4.4 speed?

CB is an instinct position. If you have instinct and technique then speed is less important. You can still get beat deep if you misread a route, but that happens to you when you are fast anyway.
 
bah007 said:
That's not always true.

A good CB can read the route and get his hips turned quickly so he has a lead on the WR. Faggins could run a 4.2 and he would still get beat deep.

In high school, my brother was a 5-6 CB who ran the 40 in 4.65 but he covered Dez Bryant a whole game without giving up a completion. They must have thrown deep on him at least six times.

How come Dez couldn't get by him with that 4.4 speed?

CB is an instinct position. If you have instinct and technique then speed is less important. You can still get beat deep if you misread a route, but that happens to you when you are fast anyway.
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I agree with you somewhat...The lack of speed can be made up for with good instincts and quickness, but if you are noticeably slower than your defender then sometimes you are just gonna get beat no matter how good the instincts.

A slow corner is going to have a really tough go of it trying to handle a blazing fast WR one on one on a 9....Especially if he's up to press and doesn't get a good jam...
 
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